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"Its for two nights only during a three month run. But I'm sure GB news have made a song and dance about it. I don't watch it though so wouldn't know. It's been done to encourage minority attendance in what's normally a predominantly white environment. Tickets are being distributed for the two nights via community groups. I don't see the issue myself. " yea I can understand this not ma y black people seem to be interested/attend the theatre. Imean I've only been twice but don't recall seeing a yoke other than white people in there. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " Its their turn now cut them some slack, many still feel opressed and under valued  | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " soke years ago I'd have agreed but these days I'd say why not? It not harming anyone is it? | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " __ Don't have an issue with it, but after reading your post 2 things came to mind: 1. Why is this news for GB news? What are they trying to say or imply? 2. How will the theatre do it? Are they going to reject some black people because they are not black enough, for example? | |||
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"There are events for over 60's is that age discrimination? There are events for women only is that sexist? There are events for Christians only is that discrimination? Mrs " But there's never one for whites only. | |||
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"There are events for over 60's is that age discrimination? There are events for women only is that sexist? There are events for Christians only is that discrimination? Mrs But there's never one for whites only. " There doesn’t need to be one. White people are the privileged group here. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " If it's as written. Then clearly it's wrong and probably illegal and racist. Having said that. Sometimes no blacks no whites no males No females no over 30s no under 18s etc can be not only practical but also good. Shame though. | |||
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"There are events for over 60's is that age discrimination? There are events for women only is that sexist? There are events for Christians only is that discrimination? Mrs " ‘That DIY shop and its pensioner discount day boils my..’ ..Actually fair enough as long as they don’t buy power tools.  | |||
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"Racist, nothing more. If anyone disagrees I’ll hold a Whites only event and watch you get triggered. " I don’t think you understand: 1. What systemic and institutional racism actually is. 2. What the word triggered refers to. | |||
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"There are events for over 60's is that age discrimination? There are events for women only is that sexist? There are events for Christians only is that discrimination? Mrs But there's never one for whites only. There doesn’t need to be one. White people are the privileged group here." Privileged is social class and not race otherwise the children leaving school such as "Disadvantaged" (clue in the name!) White Boys wouldn't be the ones who are having the worst outcomes. | |||
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"Racist, nothing more. If anyone disagrees I’ll hold a Whites only event and watch you get triggered. " There's a great quote for your profile in that sentence. | |||
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"Racist, nothing more. If anyone disagrees I’ll hold a Whites only event and watch you get triggered. I don’t think you understand: 1. What systemic and institutional racism actually is. 2. What the word triggered refers to. " There is nothing systemically or institutionally racist about theatre attendance. | |||
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"I don't understand how white people, who have never been repressed, get so up in arms about a black-only event that wouldn't interest them being exclusive to blacks, a repressed race. Moan about something proper. " Careful now, someone will be along in a bit to tell you how the whites have been systemically repressed because a statue of some random rich man they'd never heard of before got all wet a couple of years ago. | |||
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"I don't understand how white people, who have never been repressed, get so up in arms about a black-only event that wouldn't interest them being exclusive to blacks, a repressed race. Moan about something proper. " I can understand promoting it in communities to increase attendance or engagement though it seems a little isolationist. This isn't about repression, this is about engagement - trying to get a section of society to attend certain events. There was one a few years ago giving free coaches to get Asians into the countryside due to under representation. | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. " It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? | |||
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"Racist, nothing more. If anyone disagrees I’ll hold a Whites only event and watch you get triggered. I don’t think you understand: 1. What systemic and institutional racism actually is. 2. What the word triggered refers to. " Feel free to ‘womenplain’ if you’d care to. | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? " Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. | |||
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"There should be some kind of a test before you’re allowed to watch channels like GB News that indicates you understand bias and motive in reporting. Like when you invest money and they make sure you understand that you can lose money." A critical thinking test. Should also apply to voting | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. " Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so... | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so..." Scratch that - re-read it!!  | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so..." I've not explained myself clearly apologies. I sometimes feel out of place in certain theatres as I stick out like a bad thumb, when I start talking due to my strong accent. I can (if not feeling confident) that I'm "not posh enough" to be at the theatre. I can therefore, understand why some people of other ethnicities would feel uncomfortable going to such places. Hope I've explained myself a bit better. | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so... Scratch that - re-read it!! ". Too late  | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars." It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars." sir yes sir....I'm really worried lol | |||
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"The idea of having a black only night doesn't bother me, as someone else said it's only two nights out of thirty and maybe there's some good intent behind it (or an effective publicity stunt). I still don't know what a "white gaze" is and don't get why it specifically mentions being free from the "white gaze" instead free from the non-black gaze (I'm assuming that Asians and other ethnicities can't identify as being black for the purposes of attending)." can Asians identify as black ? | |||
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"There are events for over 60's is that age discrimination? There are events for women only is that sexist? There are events for Christians only is that discrimination? Mrs But there's never one for whites only. There doesn’t need to be one. White people are the privileged group here." i didn't know that theatres are for whites only | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so... Scratch that - re-read it!! . Too late "
You've hit on one of the reasons why a lot of people of colour don't go to the theatre...that implicit "judgment" thing (in this case, your accent)...personally, I've never given a flying fat one about my presence at the theatre and how others might view it, but seeing the way some behave in that environment, I get why others may feel "intimidated" by it. | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so... Scratch that - re-read it!! . Too late
You've hit on one of the reasons why a lot of people of colour don't go to the theatre...that implicit "judgment" thing (in this case, your accent)...personally, I've never given a flying fat one about my presence at the theatre and how others might view it, but seeing the way some behave in that environment, I get why others may feel "intimidated" by it. "I tend to still go regardless. But I get why some feel as you said feel intimidated. Which is why I think 2 performances used as a way to break down barriers is a good thing. Plus looking at it in more detail "Nobody is going to block admission to anyone." So it appears like a bit faux outrage in to it in my opinion. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. " That’s just whataboutary. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. " It's not a "black only" show, for God's sake - it's a play running for 3 months, where 2 shows out of God knows how many are being run for a black-only audience, given the subject nature...of course, everyone here could actually find out what the play's about first and the context of the writer's decision? Why is it a thing that people would rather be outraged for the hell of it, rather than take some time to get some understanding? And what starts culture wars isn't this...unless you let it... | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? Then I don't see the problem in all honesty. Breaking down barriers to things considered not for us. I go to the ballet and I'll rarely see people of other ethnicities. And I feel a bit out of place as a working class person whose accent gives it away big time. So I can't imagine how I'd feel going if I was of a different ethnicity. Frida, you wouldn't be comfortable going on a different night, or have I misunderstood you? Apologies if so... Scratch that - re-read it!! . Too late
You've hit on one of the reasons why a lot of people of colour don't go to the theatre...that implicit "judgment" thing (in this case, your accent)...personally, I've never given a flying fat one about my presence at the theatre and how others might view it, but seeing the way some behave in that environment, I get why others may feel "intimidated" by it.
I tend to still go regardless. But I get why some feel as you said feel intimidated. Which is why I think 2 performances used as a way to break down barriers is a good thing. Plus looking at it in more detail "Nobody is going to block admission to anyone." So it appears like a bit faux outrage in to it in my opinion. "Frida...nail, head!! | |||
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"As a theatre performer, here's my perspective of this... pretty much no one running, working in, or performing in theatres gives a damn what colour you are in the audience. Just pay for your ticket, remain sober, don't talk or shout things out during the performance and enjoy the show. That's all we ask. If a theatre is promoting a show as having "black only performances" it's not because they care about politics, or because they're trying to do something positive for society (if they were, they wouldn't advertise a 'segregation night') IF they're doing this, it's purely to create controversy and increase publicity. I personally find all this race bating behaviour more than a little distasteful. It's not achieving anything positive, just creating more barriers. Barriers that people have been trying (and to a degree had been succeeding) to break down for decades. " You are far to sensible for the forums, well said
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"As a theatre performer, here's my perspective of this... pretty much no one running, working in, or performing in theatres gives a damn what colour you are in the audience. Just pay for your ticket, remain sober, don't talk or shout things out during the performance and enjoy the show. That's all we ask. If a theatre is promoting a show as having "black only performances" it's not because they care about politics, or because they're trying to do something positive for society (if they were, they wouldn't advertise a 'segregation night') IF they're doing this, it's purely to create controversy and increase publicity. I personally find all this race bating behaviour more than a little distasteful. It's not achieving anything positive, just creating more barriers. Barriers that people have been trying (and to a degree had been succeeding) to break down for decades. " Ps quantum leap (original) is ace | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " It's a sad thing to happen, and probably illegal. It is even more sad that there is any "need" for this type of event. 
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"There should be some kind of a test before you’re allowed to watch channels like GB News that indicates you understand bias and motive in reporting. Like when you invest money and they make sure you understand that you can lose money." 100% It’s a breeding ground of right wing propaganda and division stoking, the Fox News of the UK | |||
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"As a theatre performer, here's my perspective of this... pretty much no one running, working in, or performing in theatres gives a damn what colour you are in the audience. Just pay for your ticket, remain sober, don't talk or shout things out during the performance and enjoy the show. That's all we ask. If a theatre is promoting a show as having "black only performances" it's not because they care about politics, or because they're trying to do something positive for society (if they were, they wouldn't advertise a 'segregation night') IF they're doing this, it's purely to create controversy and increase publicity. I personally find all this race bating behaviour more than a little distasteful. It's not achieving anything positive, just creating more barriers. Barriers that people have been trying (and to a degree had been succeeding) to break down for decades. You are far to sensible for the forums, well said
Nr"I don't agree that I'm too sensible for here. Maybe the issue is very few others are sensible enough? And yes, Quantom Leap is amazing. Once I'm done, I'm going to give the new version a go. I worry though... part of what makes the original so good is the stuff that would now result in everyone who worked on the show being called sexist, racist bigots. (Even though that's everything the show stands against!) It's been really nice watching a show that really pushes the idea that racism and sexism and homophobia is all a terrible moral evil, without ruining its own point by also asserting or implying that white people and men are automatically bad. Younger generations really could learn an awful lot from that show. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " 'Just saw on GB news' is all I need to see. This is a channel that makes a huge loss, but is bankrolled by far right billionaires to push their racist, divisive rhetoric. It has a small viewership, but if you're watching a channel lapping up hard right propaganda, then that says all I need to know about you. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please 'Just saw on GB news' is all I need to see. This is a channel that makes a huge loss, but is bankrolled by far right billionaires to push their racist, divisive rhetoric. It has a small viewership, but if you're watching a channel lapping up hard right propaganda, then that says all I need to know about you. " Personally, I think you should watch every news source available to you. Everyone is giving you their slanted view on things so if you look at it all you can normally find the actual truth somewhere in the middle. Problem is if you cut out either extreme your view of reality ends up warped by a bias that you agree with. | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. " And the same goes for the theatre people banning people. | |||
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"This is really a non story. There's loads of news up and down the country that doesn't get reported nationally. It's an event, it's a theatre thing. Who actually likes the theatre here - no one. --------------------- END ." I would hope I'm not the only one on here who enjoys the theatre. In fact, I would say its statistically unlikely I am. | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. And the same goes for the theatre people banning people. " The way things are for those of us who are involved in theater at the moment, I find it very unlikely that anyone would be banning people. This theatre is also not banning people. It's too performance is out of a whole run and they actually haven't banned anyone. They just advertising it as Black only in order to generate free publicity. When you actually look into it anyone can buy tickets for those nights. | |||
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"I heard the man responsible for the ban or whatever it is on the radio saying it was so that other ethnicities could go to those shows without being afraid !!" Afraid of what? The rampant gangs of middle class white people who frequent theatre's throwing bricks at non white show's 
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"This is really a non story. There's loads of news up and down the country that doesn't get reported nationally. It's an event, it's a theatre thing. Who actually likes the theatre here - no one. --------------------- END . I would hope I'm not the only one on here who enjoys the theatre. In fact, I would say its statistically unlikely I am. " i go theatre loads. I never think to make a note of who else is there. I'm just watching the stage. Going to count next time | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. " Always one trying to be the saviour! What a melt | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. Always one trying to be the saviour! What a melt " As a typical white guy, I find it so easy to forget that racism is really a thing... I suspect that I'm not the only one with this type of blind spot. Cal | |||
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"There are events for over 60's is that age discrimination? There are events for women only is that sexist? There are events for Christians only is that discrimination? Mrs But there's never one for whites only. " Historically there have been thousands | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. It wasn’t a judgment you sycophant" So offended he commented on it twice! | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. It wasn’t a judgment you sycophant So offended he commented on it twice! "Nah! Just forgot to get that last bit in #ThreeTimes | |||
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"Walk a mile in their steps first before judgement. It wasn’t a judgment you sycophant So offended he commented on it twice!
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"This is really a non story. There's loads of news up and down the country that doesn't get reported nationally. It's an event, it's a theatre thing. Who actually likes the theatre here - no one. --------------------- END . I would hope I'm not the only one on here who enjoys the theatre. In fact, I would say its statistically unlikely I am. i go theatre loads. I never think to make a note of who else is there. I'm just watching the stage. Going to count next time " From the stage, everyone in the audience is black! | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " You lost me at, “GB News”  | |||
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"I genuinely don't care. If MSM stop talking about what is or is not perceived as racism, planting the seed, then racism would be so insignificant." Is that right? And how would you know, white man living in Wales? | |||
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"It’s obviously just more race bating from that black box in the corner of your room. All this talk about race and racism comes around every election period, it’s just a talking point to divide the morons into groups that think voting still makes a difference. Most people, black, brown, white or beige couldn’t give a care in the world, their not paying attention anyway. It’s been a level playing field for a long time. Only the deluded think All white people are oppressors and all black people are victims. Racism is more common in other cultures than that of mostly white populated nations nowadays. Yes history speaks volumes in regards of crimes committed against black people, but it’s history to be learnt from not used to perpetuate conflict. What people confuse for institutionalised racism is usually something completely different. Doesn’t matter what colour your skin is or your background, or orientation. If your not in the gang, or a member of the brotherhood, your in the same boat as the rest of us "We are so lucky to have you here to put us bang to rights. Because all of those findings about institutionalised racism might well have been persuasive - but now that squeamish from Fab has spoken, it's all good. No racism. | |||
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"It’s obviously just more race bating from that black box in the corner of your room. All this talk about race and racism comes around every election period, it’s just a talking point to divide the morons into groups that think voting still makes a difference. Most people, black, brown, white or beige couldn’t give a care in the world, their not paying attention anyway. It’s been a level playing field for a long time. Only the deluded think All white people are oppressors and all black people are victims. Racism is more common in other cultures than that of mostly white populated nations nowadays. Yes history speaks volumes in regards of crimes committed against black people, but it’s history to be learnt from not used to perpetuate conflict. What people confuse for institutionalised racism is usually something completely different. Doesn’t matter what colour your skin is or your background, or orientation. If your not in the gang, or a member of the brotherhood, your in the same boat as the rest of us
We are so lucky to have you here to put us bang to rights. Because all of those findings about institutionalised racism might well have been persuasive - but now that squeamish from Fab has spoken, it's all good. No racism. "calm down love ,it’s just an opinion, my opinion. Lol why does a why Karen always turn up to shout at me | |||
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"Racist, nothing more. If anyone disagrees I’ll hold a Whites only event and watch you get triggered. I don’t think you understand: 1. What systemic and institutional racism actually is. 2. What the word triggered refers to. " Racism is racism... Not sure what clarification institutional or systemic adds. Unless its that you don't think it is racist to say no whites allowed.? | |||
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"I heard the man responsible for the ban or whatever it is on the radio saying it was so that other ethnicities could go to those shows without being afraid !! Afraid of what? The rampant gangs of middle class white people who frequent theatre's throwing bricks at non white show's
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"I genuinely don't care. If MSM stop talking about what is or is not perceived as racism, planting the seed, then racism would be so insignificant. Is that right? And how would you know, white man living in Wales? "That's right. Your opinion and thoughts as a citizen of this country count for nothing because you're white and live in Wales | |||
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"It’s obviously just more race bating from that black box in the corner of your room. All this talk about race and racism comes around every election period, it’s just a talking point to divide the morons into groups that think voting still makes a difference. Most people, black, brown, white or beige couldn’t give a care in the world, their not paying attention anyway. It’s been a level playing field for a long time. Only the deluded think All white people are oppressors and all black people are victims. Racism is more common in other cultures than that of mostly white populated nations nowadays. Yes history speaks volumes in regards of crimes committed against black people, but it’s history to be learnt from not used to perpetuate conflict. What people confuse for institutionalised racism is usually something completely different. Doesn’t matter what colour your skin is or your background, or orientation. If your not in the gang, or a member of the brotherhood, your in the same boat as the rest of us
We are so lucky to have you here to put us bang to rights. Because all of those findings about institutionalised racism might well have been persuasive - but now that squeamish from Fab has spoken, it's all good. No racism. calm down love ,it’s just an opinion, my opinion. Lol why does a why Karen always turn up to shout at me "Bless | |||
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"It’s obviously just more race bating from that black box in the corner of your room. All this talk about race and racism comes around every election period, it’s just a talking point to divide the morons into groups that think voting still makes a difference. Most people, black, brown, white or beige couldn’t give a care in the world, their not paying attention anyway. It’s been a level playing field for a long time. Only the deluded think All white people are oppressors and all black people are victims. Racism is more common in other cultures than that of mostly white populated nations nowadays. Yes history speaks volumes in regards of crimes committed against black people, but it’s history to be learnt from not used to perpetuate conflict. What people confuse for institutionalised racism is usually something completely different. Doesn’t matter what colour your skin is or your background, or orientation. If your not in the gang, or a member of the brotherhood, your in the same boat as the rest of us
We are so lucky to have you here to put us bang to rights. Because all of those findings about institutionalised racism might well have been persuasive - but now that squeamish from Fab has spoken, it's all good. No racism. calm down love ,it’s just an opinion, my opinion. Lol why does a why Karen always turn up to shout at me
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"It’s obviously just more race bating from that black box in the corner of your room. All this talk about race and racism comes around every election period, it’s just a talking point to divide the morons into groups that think voting still makes a difference. Most people, black, brown, white or beige couldn’t give a care in the world, their not paying attention anyway. It’s been a level playing field for a long time. Only the deluded think All white people are oppressors and all black people are victims. Racism is more common in other cultures than that of mostly white populated nations nowadays. Yes history speaks volumes in regards of crimes committed against black people, but it’s history to be learnt from not used to perpetuate conflict. What people confuse for institutionalised racism is usually something completely different. Doesn’t matter what colour your skin is or your background, or orientation. If your not in the gang, or a member of the brotherhood, your in the same boat as the rest of us
We are so lucky to have you here to put us bang to rights. Because all of those findings about institutionalised racism might well have been persuasive - but now that squeamish from Fab has spoken, it's all good. No racism. calm down love ,it’s just an opinion, my opinion. Lol why does a why Karen always turn up to shout at me
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please 'Just saw on GB news' is all I need to see. This is a channel that makes a huge loss, but is bankrolled by far right billionaires to push their racist, divisive rhetoric. It has a small viewership, but if you're watching a channel lapping up hard right propaganda, then that says all I need to know about you. Personally, I think you should watch every news source available to you. Everyone is giving you their slanted view on things so if you look at it all you can normally find the actual truth somewhere in the middle. Problem is if you cut out either extreme your view of reality ends up warped by a bias that you agree with." A sensible logical post well said | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " If you're watching GB news, there's your problem. Right wing Tory crap from Rupert Murdoch who's foreigner too remember. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please If you're watching GB news, there's your problem. Right wing Tory crap from Rupert Murdoch who's foreigner too remember. " If you only willing to hear news from sources that already agree with your personal position, you are going to end up pretty misinformed. We all suffer from confirmation bias, but you don't have to actively pursue it. | |||
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"I think this thread is a really good example of why we will never live in a society without any bigotry. Whichever side of the Debate people seem to be on they are completely unwilling to actually listen to what the other side are saying and take it on board. Both sides have decided they are correct without even having the discussion and so it just turns into a group of people trying to bully the other side into saying they agree with them whether they actually do or not. People are accused of racism for questioning the logic of judging people based on nothing but their skin colour. Others are accused of being woke because they are prepared to acknowledge that Society isn't perfect. However, the real problem is that people have forgotten how to listen as well as voice their opinion, and people will dismiss factual information because they don't like the source. Something is true whether you like where it has come from or not. These people exist on both sides of the fence. The people who would refuse to accept the cure for cancer if they didn't like the Politics of the person who developed it. In my lifetime I have seen western society go from trying it best to treat everyone equally to putting people on a pedestal because of their skin colour. Now you can try and make the argument that that's what Western civilization used to do with white people, and I'm not going to dispute that. What I would say though is that seeking revenge for historical crimes is a fools errand, and that lifting up a group of people by pulling down another one isn't a solution to the problem it's just creating a new problem. It seems to me that in this modern age it is the people who are very vocal about being against racial or gender-based bigotry are the first people to judge others based on their skin colour or gender." I agree, well said. From what I'm picking up on this thread, I assume black people feel uncomfortable at the theatre, that they feel other theatre goers judge them or are unfriendly and unwelcoming in some way?? Therefore a 'blacks only' night doesn't seem to tackle this underlying issue! Perhaps theatres should address their snobbish attitude (if this is the issue) rather than some form of segregation? Although I am inclined to agree, it does smack of publicity for publicity sake! | |||
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"I think this thread is a really good example of why we will never live in a society without any bigotry. Whichever side of the Debate people seem to be on they are completely unwilling to actually listen to what the other side are saying and take it on board. Both sides have decided they are correct without even having the discussion and so it just turns into a group of people trying to bully the other side into saying they agree with them whether they actually do or not. People are accused of racism for questioning the logic of judging people based on nothing but their skin colour. Others are accused of being woke because they are prepared to acknowledge that Society isn't perfect. However, the real problem is that people have forgotten how to listen as well as voice their opinion, and people will dismiss factual information because they don't like the source. Something is true whether you like where it has come from or not. These people exist on both sides of the fence. The people who would refuse to accept the cure for cancer if they didn't like the Politics of the person who developed it. In my lifetime I have seen western society go from trying it best to treat everyone equally to putting people on a pedestal because of their skin colour. Now you can try and make the argument that that's what Western civilization used to do with white people, and I'm not going to dispute that. What I would say though is that seeking revenge for historical crimes is a fools errand, and that lifting up a group of people by pulling down another one isn't a solution to the problem it's just creating a new problem. It seems to me that in this modern age it is the people who are very vocal about being against racial or gender-based bigotry are the first people to judge others based on their skin colour or gender. I agree, well said. From what I'm picking up on this thread, I assume black people feel uncomfortable at the theatre, that they feel other theatre goers judge them or are unfriendly and unwelcoming in some way?? Therefore a 'blacks only' night doesn't seem to tackle this underlying issue! Perhaps theatres should address their snobbish attitude (if this is the issue) rather than some form of segregation? Although I am inclined to agree, it does smack of publicity for publicity sake! " As a theatre luvvie myself, I reject the idea that non-white people are scared to go to the Theatre because of any particularly white snobbishness. If black people do have that perspective I suspect it has been pushed on them by people who want them to feel like they are constantly under attack because it benefits them in some way to do so. You will rarely find a group of more accepting and open-hearted people than you will backstage at a theater. Maybe the problem is with the audience members but, I doubt that too. Sadly I suspect that the vast majority of perceived racism in the theater world has being created by people with a vested interest in making black people feel that they are "other" or victims because they have built a career on that narrative. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. It's not a "black only" show, for God's sake - it's a play running for 3 months, where 2 shows out of God knows how many are being run for a black-only audience, given the subject nature...of course, everyone here could actually find out what the play's about first and the context of the writer's decision? Why is it a thing that people would rather be outraged for the hell of it, rather than take some time to get some understanding? And what starts culture wars isn't this...unless you let it..." My question still stands. If another show says that they prefer having only white audience for a couple of days, would you say that's totally fine? | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. That’s just whataboutary." That's just pointing people's hypocrisy. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. It's not a "black only" show, for God's sake - it's a play running for 3 months, where 2 shows out of God knows how many are being run for a black-only audience, given the subject nature...of course, everyone here could actually find out what the play's about first and the context of the writer's decision? Why is it a thing that people would rather be outraged for the hell of it, rather than take some time to get some understanding? And what starts culture wars isn't this...unless you let it... My question still stands. If another show says that they prefer having only white audience for a couple of days, would you say that's totally fine?" Aren't there events for OAPs, the disabled, ladies-only, Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, LGBTQ and so on, as others have mentioned - where they're exclusively for those groups? For 2 shows out of a 3 month run (let's call it a minimum of 60 shows based on Mon-Fri), not a problem for me. But then, I tend not to bug out about not going to things I have no interest in or where I'm not in the relevant group... ...come on, now, it's not like any of those complaining are likely to go, even if they took the trouble to find out the nature of the play or indeed the context of the writer's decision - and if they did, there's at least 50 other shows they could go to between June and September!! Molehill, mountain. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please Maybe stop watching GB news and getting upset by things that’s don’t concern you and have no bearing on your life. You are falling into the trap of culture wars. It depends. Would this be your reply if someone starts a white only show? There are two ways to see this. You either say that the show runners have the right to choose the audience they want, for whatever reasons, in which base, black-only, white-only, Chinese-only, men-only, women-only or anything like this should be fine. Or you say that it's a business providing discriminatory servives which is wrong and hence any show that invites only people of specific race or sex is wrong. Both the above are reasonable way to look at these things. The problem starts when some say it's okay to have a show where only one group are invited and not-okay to have a show where only other group of people are invited. Then they do lot of mental gymnastics to tell us why one kind of discrimination is totally fine. This is what starts culture wars. It's not a "black only" show, for God's sake - it's a play running for 3 months, where 2 shows out of God knows how many are being run for a black-only audience, given the subject nature...of course, everyone here could actually find out what the play's about first and the context of the writer's decision? Why is it a thing that people would rather be outraged for the hell of it, rather than take some time to get some understanding? And what starts culture wars isn't this...unless you let it... My question still stands. If another show says that they prefer having only white audience for a couple of days, would you say that's totally fine? Aren't there events for OAPs, the disabled, ladies-only, Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, LGBTQ and so on, as others have mentioned - where they're exclusively for those groups? For 2 shows out of a 3 month run (let's call it a minimum of 60 shows based on Mon-Fri), not a problem for me. But then, I tend not to bug out about not going to things I have no interest in or where I'm not in the relevant group... ...come on, now, it's not like any of those complaining are likely to go, even if they took the trouble to find out the nature of the play or indeed the context of the writer's decision - and if they did, there's at least 50 other shows they could go to between June and September!! Molehill, mountain. " Yes there are events for other specific groups. But that's not my point again. If there is a similar event for white men only, would you be fine with it or will you criticise it? As I said above, if you are fine with ALL such events, that's a totally consistent view. If you believe that ALL such events are wrong, that's a consistent view too. If you believe it's ok for some people to do that but not others, then we have a problem. | |||
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"If you believe it's ok for some people to do that but not others, then we have a problem." In an ideal world, yes. But we're not living in an ideal world. Hopefully we'll get there one day, but for the moment we have to be a bit pragmatic, and use some common sense. | |||
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"If you believe it's ok for some people to do that but not others, then we have a problem. In an ideal world, yes. But we're not living in an ideal world. Hopefully we'll get there one day, but for the moment we have to be a bit pragmatic, and use some common sense." What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? You are only simmering divisions and hatred. These kind of things keep moving that ideal world you are talking about, further and further away. | |||
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"What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? Well at least it's a plan. Just putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the issue isn't a plan!" What kind of plan is it? Can you elaborate? | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " people go on about diversity and equality for all but then they do something like this which like you say seems wrong and if it was the other way round would probably be uproar and classes as racist.and yes racism can work both ways and often does. | |||
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"What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? " But there's not any actual discrimination happening. Nobody will be refused entry due to their ethnicity (which would be illegal), the event is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as black". Cal | |||
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"What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? But there's not any actual discrimination happening. Nobody will be refused entry due to their ethnicity (which would be illegal), the event is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as black". Cal" Then back to me original question. If someone does an event that advertises that it is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as white", is that fine? If that's not fine but this is, that is discrimination in itself. | |||
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"Yeah you don't have one It was more than lots of people in this thread have carefully explained it, and I didn't think I could make it easier to understand than they already have." No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. It's an emotional response to a complex issue that will only make the issue worse in practice. As someone else pointed out, it's probably a publicity stunt in which case, they succeeded. | |||
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"What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? But there's not any actual discrimination happening. Nobody will be refused entry due to their ethnicity (which would be illegal), the event is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as black". Cal" identity as black??? So much like anything else these days you don't have to be what you want to be? So I could be a middle aged white man but I identify as a 25 year old black woman ?? | |||
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"No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group." In the real world, we accept limited discrimination where it brings more benefits than the costs. So for example, we have women-only toilets, and women-only sports events. In a world where groups have suffered from discrimination over a long period, then it's not enough to just stop discriminating - you actually have to do something to address the long-term effects. Someone isn't going to immediately trust you the moment you stop beating them with a stick. | |||
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"No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. In the real world, we accept limited discrimination where it brings more benefits than the costs. So for example, we have women-only toilets, and women-only sports events. In a world where groups have suffered from discrimination over a long period, then it's not enough to just stop discriminating - you actually have to do something to address the long-term effects. Someone isn't going to immediately trust you the moment you stop beating them with a stick." We also have men only toilets and men only sports events. So that's not discrimination. You should not discriminate someone based on the race just because some people among their forefathers did so. Not all white people come from a lineage who have done bad things in the past. A right analogy would be is it ok to stop trusting all people of the race of a single person who is beating you with the stick? And doing this only plants bad sentiments among people. So the long term effects are only worse. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please " It is a fake story and you've fallen for it. GB News says it all | |||
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"Yeah you don't have one It was more than lots of people in this thread have carefully explained it, and I didn't think I could make it easier to understand than they already have. No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. It's an emotional response to a complex issue that will only make the issue worse in practice. As someone else pointed out, it's probably a publicity stunt in which case, they succeeded." Multiple people have explained. You just don't agree with them. | |||
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"What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? But there's not any actual discrimination happening. Nobody will be refused entry due to their ethnicity (which would be illegal), the event is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as black". Cal ---- Then back to me original question. If someone does an event that advertises that it is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as white", is that fine? If that's not fine but this is, that is discrimination in itself." I've never said that I think it's "fine", but an event targeted at any particular demographic (including "whites") would also not be discrimination... as long as "anyone" is able to buy a ticket. My personal opinion is that it's really sad that there is any need for an event targeted in this way. It's sad that people are discriminated against because of how they look, which imaginary man in the Sky they believe in, or who they are sexually attracted to. Cal | |||
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"No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. In the real world, we accept limited discrimination where it brings more benefits than the costs. So for example, we have women-only toilets, and women-only sports events. In a world where groups have suffered from discrimination over a long period, then it's not enough to just stop discriminating - you actually have to do something to address the long-term effects. Someone isn't going to immediately trust you the moment you stop beating them with a stick. We also have men only toilets and men only sports events. So that's not discrimination. You should not discriminate someone based on the race just because some people among their forefathers did so. Not all white people come from a lineage who have done bad things in the past. A right analogy would be is it ok to stop trusting all people of the race of a single person who is beating you with the stick? And doing this only plants bad sentiments among people. So the long term effects are only worse." why not have unisex toilets? | |||
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"Yeah you don't have one It was more than lots of people in this thread have carefully explained it, and I didn't think I could make it easier to understand than they already have. No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. It's an emotional response to a complex issue that will only make the issue worse in practice. As someone else pointed out, it's probably a publicity stunt in which case, they succeeded. Multiple people have explained. You just don't agree with them. " Sorry for not blindly accepting what a few people in the internet tell me and questioning their arguments. | |||
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"Has anyone ever seen that interview with Morgan Freeman? Someone asked him how you stop racism and he said "simple, stop talking about it! I don't want to be known as a black man, I am a man and that should bethe end of it!" Anything that say that only a certain demographic can attend something is by definition is discriminating. Instead of saying black only or no whites, wouldn't it be better to show something that may appeal more to black people? Make it more likely to attract more black people? It really annoys me the double standards we have here through fear of the brigade rising up and shouting us down. People have this impression that you can't be rasict towards white people, of course you can! I've worked in Dublin for 6 months and got racist comments, spat at and threatened every single day. People have this thing that all white people were brought up with a silver spoon in their mouth and therefore don't have a say.. I was brought up with nothing at all, poverty, hardship and a shit tonne of life changing events, and granted its not racist and its nothing compared to "that trade" etc, but it shatters that notion of because I'm a white man I've had it easy. The things I've been through and seen would have confined many to a life of crime, drug use or to make them question if life is in fact worth living at all. People have this impression that you have to give lots of leaway to people because of things that happens in the past... Today is today.. Everybody should be treated equally, TODAY.. Yes shit things happened in the past and they should never be forgotten and should be taught so that people learn and never let it happen again.. But today is today. " Well said. | |||
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"What's so common sensical and pragmatic about allowing one group to be discriminated based on ethnicity and others to be not? But there's not any actual discrimination happening. Nobody will be refused entry due to their ethnicity (which would be illegal), the event is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as black". Cal ---- Then back to me original question. If someone does an event that advertises that it is just being "targetted" exclusively at people who "identify as white", is that fine? If that's not fine but this is, that is discrimination in itself. I've never said that I think it's "fine", but an event targeted at any particular demographic (including "whites") would also not be discrimination... as long as "anyone" is able to buy a ticket. My personal opinion is that it's really sad that there is any need for an event targeted in this way. It's sad that people are discriminated against because of how they look, which imaginary man in the Sky they believe in, or who they are sexually attracted to. Cal" That's a completely fine take. I am just asking for consistency here which you have. Some people claim that it's ok for one group to have such events but not ok for another. | |||
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"No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. In the real world, we accept limited discrimination where it brings more benefits than the costs. So for example, we have women-only toilets, and women-only sports events. In a world where groups have suffered from discrimination over a long period, then it's not enough to just stop discriminating - you actually have to do something to address the long-term effects. Someone isn't going to immediately trust you the moment you stop beating them with a stick. We also have men only toilets and men only sports events. So that's not discrimination. You should not discriminate someone based on the race just because some people among their forefathers did so. Not all white people come from a lineage who have done bad things in the past. A right analogy would be is it ok to stop trusting all people of the race of a single person who is beating you with the stick? And doing this only plants bad sentiments among people. So the long term effects are only worse. why not have unisex toilets? " Mens toilets have urinals which are economically better | |||
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"Has anyone ever seen that interview with Morgan Freeman? Someone asked him how you stop racism and he said "simple, stop talking about it! I don't want to be known as a black man, I am a man and that should bethe end of it!" Anything that say that only a certain demographic can attend something is by definition is discriminating. Instead of saying black only or no whites, wouldn't it be better to show something that may appeal more to black people? Make it more likely to attract more black people? It really annoys me the double standards we have here through fear of the brigade rising up and shouting us down. People have this impression that you can't be rasict towards white people, of course you can! I've worked in Dublin for 6 months and got racist comments, spat at and threatened every single day. People have this thing that all white people were brought up with a silver spoon in their mouth and therefore don't have a say.. I was brought up with nothing at all, poverty, hardship and a shit tonne of life changing events, and granted its not racist and its nothing compared to "that trade" etc, but it shatters that notion of because I'm a white man I've had it easy. The things I've been through and seen would have confined many to a life of crime, drug use or to make them question if life is in fact worth living at all. People have this impression that you have to give lots of leaway to people because of things that happens in the past... Today is today.. Everybody should be treated equally, TODAY.. Yes shit things happened in the past and they should never be forgotten and should be taught so that people learn and never let it happen again.. But today is today. " Well said that man # Applause # | |||
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"Has anyone ever seen that interview with Morgan Freeman? Someone asked him how you stop racism and he said "simple, stop talking about it! I don't want to be known as a black man, I am a man and that should bethe end of it!" " This is broadly true! Unfortunately the press have a tendency to apply labels to people with the intent of twisting people's view... they will always mention if a criminal is Black or Muslim, but not if they're white, Catholic, Atheist, etc... they are less likely to mention the ethnicity of victims. They do however like to tell you that a victim is Gay/Trans, or a sex worker... but never feel the need to tell you that they're heterosexual and worked at the till in Lidl. | |||
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"Yeah you don't have one It was more than lots of people in this thread have carefully explained it, and I didn't think I could make it easier to understand than they already have. No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. It's an emotional response to a complex issue that will only make the issue worse in practice. As someone else pointed out, it's probably a publicity stunt in which case, they succeeded. Multiple people have explained. You just don't agree with them. Sorry for not blindly accepting what a few people in the internet tell me and questioning their arguments." The argument has been put forth by many people not on Fab. Don't be disingenuous. | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please It is a fake story and you've fallen for it. GB News says it all" It isn't a fake story. It can be found on other News sources. | |||
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"As someone way cleverer than me said, from a position of privilege, equality feels like oppression. " What is equality and what is privelage? It would seem no whites in this situation means they are not equal? | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please It is a fake story and you've fallen for it. GB News says it all It isn't a fake story. It can be found on other News sources." To be fair, the headline "Blacks only allowed entry" is Fake News (or a lie), everbody is "allowed" entry. Cal | |||
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"Blacks only allowed entry...just saw on GB News in a theatre in London there having nights only for blacks...no others are allowed that night.... I think this is not right! If it was the other way round...there would be alot of noise. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know....opinions please It is a fake story and you've fallen for it. GB News says it all It isn't a fake story. It can be found on other News sources. To be fair, the headline "Blacks only allowed entry" is Fake News (or a lie), everbody is "allowed" entry. Cal" Sadly that's how News sources work, for any story. It is clickbait. I was just trying to get people to discuss the subject rather than say it must be a fake story/ must be wrong as it is is from certain News sources | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? " __
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Just two nights out of 30. Specially to attract an audience that the producers felt are missing. Same as the 30 tickets a night they offer on a pay what you can basis.
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"Please someone explain what specific race here is being insulted or discriminated." Is Caucasian a race ? | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? __
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Just two nights out of 30. Specially to attract an audience that the producers felt are missing. Same as the 30 tickets a night they offer on a pay what you can basis.
Still thinking the same, can't see why this is racist. Please someone explain what specific race here is being insulted or discriminated."People see what they want to see | |||
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"There are events for ladies only eg gym classes etc. This is acceptable and can't see why there can't be an evening for different ethnicities as long there as there is provision for everyone, maybe on another night. It's 2 nights out of the theatre run - one in July, one in September, and the rest of the season (29 June - 21 September) is open to all. And I'm curious - how many of the people here complaining have actually planned to go and see the play, or even know what it's about, yet still happy to jump on board the GB News Outrage Express (GB News, lol)? __
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Just two nights out of 30. Specially to attract an audience that the producers felt are missing. Same as the 30 tickets a night they offer on a pay what you can basis.
Still thinking the same, can't see why this is racist. Please someone explain what specific race here is being insulted or discriminated."If someone does the same to promote white people attending an event, would that be discriminatory? Or would you applaud it? | |||
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"Yeah you don't have one It was more than lots of people in this thread have carefully explained it, and I didn't think I could make it easier to understand than they already have. No one has explained clearly or justified why it's okay for one group of people to do but not the other group. It's an emotional response to a complex issue that will only make the issue worse in practice. As someone else pointed out, it's probably a publicity stunt in which case, they succeeded. Multiple people have explained. You just don't agree with them. Sorry for not blindly accepting what a few people in the internet tell me and questioning their arguments. The argument has been put forth by many people not on Fab. Don't be disingenuous. " And my replies were trying to point the flaws in the arguement. Did you see me blindly saying they are just wrong? I know trying to have a reasoned debate on these matters is heresy these days. But one can still try. | |||
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"Has anyone ever seen that interview with Morgan Freeman? Someone asked him how you stop racism and he said "simple, stop talking about it! I don't want to be known as a black man, I am a man and that should bethe end of it!" Anything that say that only a certain demographic can attend something is by definition is discriminating. Instead of saying black only or no whites, wouldn't it be better to show something that may appeal more to black people? Make it more likely to attract more black people? It really annoys me the double standards we have here through fear of the brigade rising up and shouting us down. People have this impression that you can't be rasict towards white people, of course you can! I've worked in Dublin for 6 months and got racist comments, spat at and threatened every single day. People have this thing that all white people were brought up with a silver spoon in their mouth and therefore don't have a say.. I was brought up with nothing at all, poverty, hardship and a shit tonne of life changing events, and granted its not racist and its nothing compared to "that trade" etc, but it shatters that notion of because I'm a white man I've had it easy. The things I've been through and seen would have confined many to a life of crime, drug use or to make them question if life is in fact worth living at all. People have this impression that you have to give lots of leaway to people because of things that happens in the past... Today is today.. Everybody should be treated equally, TODAY.. Yes shit things happened in the past and they should never be forgotten and should be taught so that people learn and never let it happen again.. But today is today. " Greatest post I have seen on here in awhile! | |||
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"Can someone tell me what the play is called, and what it is about?" It's called "S1ave Play"... it's apparently about "race, sex, and power" Cal | |||
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"I wonder more about why this made the news, and made it into this forum. " __ By posting with the title No Whites, which is totally false, as confirmed by the post message itself. Still daunting tho hear from the OP about choosing that title. | |||
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"Completely wrong as a black lady I’m saying there would be absolutely uproar if it was the other way around " You're far from the only black person to say this. The problem we have here is 'white knights to the rescue'. | |||
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"Completely wrong as a black lady I’m saying there would be absolutely uproar if it was the other way around You're far from the only black person to say this. The problem we have here is 'white knights to the rescue'." Isn't the cast and crew of the play mostly black? | |||
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"Completely wrong as a black lady I’m saying there would be absolutely uproar if it was the other way around You're far from the only black person to say this. The problem we have here is 'white knights to the rescue'." Exactly this!!! So many sycophantic ’white knights’ trying to score virtue signaling points! Absolutely pathetic! | |||
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"So no problem with a Whites only event?" That's wrong too where is that being held? Mrs x | |||
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"Completely wrong as a black lady I’m saying there would be absolutely uproar if it was the other way around You're far from the only black person to say this. The problem we have here is 'white knights to the rescue'. Isn't the cast and crew of the play mostly black?" isn't it about interracial sex? Think you need some cast members of differing races if it is, Mrs x | |||
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"Completely wrong as a black lady I’m saying there would be absolutely uproar if it was the other way around You're far from the only black person to say this. The problem we have here is 'white knights to the rescue'." Why do you think that "black only nights" are racist but calling people "white knights" isn't? | |||
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"Completely wrong as a black lady I’m saying there would be absolutely uproar if it was the other way around You're far from the only black person to say this. The problem we have here is 'white knights to the rescue'. Isn't the cast and crew of the play mostly black?" The play is about interracial relationship so what makes you think the cast would be 'mostly black'? | |||
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"So no problem with a Whites only event?That's wrong too where is that being held? Mrs x" Wimbledon? | |||
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