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Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news |
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By *bi HaiveMan 39 weeks ago
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news "
The car driver should have been prosecuted - grinds my gears.
But if the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road then so should they. Lost count of the number of times I've almost hit one as they jump lights, turn and cycle over a zebra crossing or try and undertake as I'm indicating and turning left.
Two wrongs and all that....... |
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There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
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But is he justified in breaking the rules of the road, in his pursuit of justice.
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
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I thought it may have been Mikey the OP was talking about.
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By *batMan 39 weeks ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"But is he justified in breaking the rules of the road, in his pursuit of justice. "
Of course not, but has been doing that to achieve his aims or was the question just theoretical?
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Here’s a slight different perspective on doing wrong for justice,
My mate, a copper has just left the station in his police car, spotted a known, wanted criminal driving towards him.
Swerved and hit his car head on and arrested the guy.
Didn’t get done for dangerous driving.
Who’s in the right?? |
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"But is he justified in breaking the rules of the road, in his pursuit of justice.
Of course not, but has been doing that to achieve his aims or was the question just theoretical?
Gbat "
It was just a throw it out there and see what comes back.
I personally feel that if you are going to put yourself up as some sort of crusader for bringing people to justice, you have to be on the right side of it yourself, otherwise it’s a tad hypocritical. |
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By *batMan 39 weeks ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"Here’s a slight different perspective on doing wrong for justice,
My mate, a copper has just left the station in his police car, spotted a known, wanted criminal driving towards him.
Swerved and hit his car head on and arrested the guy.
Didn’t get done for dangerous driving.
Who’s in the right??"
He’d get the sack in most places.
I mean if the person was shooting at people or had someone tied up in the boot, maybe. But I’m sure there must have been a less dramatic way to make his arrest? His way doesn’t sound very proportionate if I’m honest.
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I'd have to look that up, as I'm a cyclist but I don't have a camera on my helmet lol, but maybe I should get 1, to catch some of the sights I see, but I also see some of those guys, on those scooters going on & off the road onto pavements we all risk our lives just lately with such things going on on the roads & streets these days |
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By *929Man 39 weeks ago
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news "
Great news serves the cunt right should mind his own business, lucky the range driver didn’t pull over and batter the twat |
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By *rpeggioCouple 39 weeks ago
Baughurst |
Don't get it why people think the range guy is in the right. Since when is right using your mobile phone while driving? Just forget about the cyclist for a second. You have to be a reckless person to put lives in danger by driving while using your phone because you are not arsed to spend 5 quid on a hand free kit for your car. You have money to buy a Range but don't want to buy a hand free kit in Amazon? really? |
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news
Great news serves the cunt right should mind his own business, lucky the range driver didn’t pull over and batter the twat"
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news
Great news serves the cunt right should mind his own business, lucky the range driver didn’t pull over and batter the twat"
He might wish to be careful, some cyclists carry multitools. Perfect for sorting a mechanical issue, or using the blade for defence. |
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news
Great news serves the cunt right should mind his own business, lucky the range driver didn’t pull over and batter the twat
He might wish to be careful, some cyclists carry multitools. Perfect for sorting a mechanical issue, or using the blade for defence."
Some Range Rover drivers carry firearms and machetes.
Both as bad as each other. |
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"Great news serves the cunt right should mind his own business, lucky the range driver didn’t pull over and batter the twat"
But if it had been anyone other than a cyclist who reported him for breaking the law that would be okay?
Just to clarify: using a handheld mobile while driving = illegal (and fucking dangerous); being a nosy cunt/concerned citizen = legal (but irritating). |
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
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Is this a useful way to live your life finding the wrong and using the law to punish people, i kinda feel sorry for anyone who sees wasting his life in the negative as futile, ditch the bike and get the bus a much better way to waste your day or just spend it on here  |
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By (user no longer on site) 39 weeks ago
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Is this a useful way to live your life finding the wrong and using the law to punish people"
Pretty sure it's how the police force was formed... which is pretty useful (mostly, sometimes) |
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Although both are in the wrong because the cyclist broke the law,ie on wrong side of the road the idiot on the phones lawyer will argue you can uphold the law by breaking the law. I've know several incidences where a defending lawyer has ask for the hole journeys film footage and got a client of because in the footage the filmer has broken the law |
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"Although both are in the wrong because the cyclist broke the law,ie on wrong side of the road the idiot on the phones lawyer will argue you can uphold the law by breaking the law. I've know several incidences where a defending lawyer has ask for the hole journeys film footage and got a client of because in the footage the filmer has broken the law"
How can that be a defence?
So if somebody were caught on camera driving away an abduction victim - their evidence could be dismissed if the person filming was breaking the law to get the footage? Or did I misunderstand what you're saying? |
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
Is this a useful way to live your life finding the wrong and using the law to punish people, i kinda feel sorry for anyone who sees wasting his life in the negative as futile, ditch the bike and get the bus a much better way to waste your day or just spend it on here "
Having watched some of his videos, I cannot help but feel concerned for his safety at times. |
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"Was the cyclist acting as a good citizen or something else"
Depends what he did with the footage other than show it to the police. Does he have a social media presence and did he do it for views?
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"Although both are in the wrong because the cyclist broke the law,ie on wrong side of the road the idiot on the phones lawyer will argue you can uphold the law by breaking the law. I've know several incidences where a defending lawyer has ask for the hole journeys film footage and got a client of because in the footage the filmer has broken the law
How can that be a defence?
So if somebody were caught on camera driving away an abduction victim - their evidence could be dismissed if the person filming was breaking the law to get the footage? Or did I misunderstand what you're saying?"
As the law stands yes it can be seen as inadmissible in court but the final decision is in the judges hands |
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news "
Glad to hear the cyclist got done, good enough for him.
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By (user no longer on site) 39 weeks ago
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"Was the cyclist acting as a good citizen or something else
Depends what he did with the footage other than show it to the police. Does he have a social media presence and did he do it for views?
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I don't think you can show it on social media until after it has been dealt with by the police |
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Is this a useful way to live your life finding the wrong and using the law to punish people
Pretty sure it's how the police force was formed... which is pretty useful (mostly, sometimes)"
Not for me it isn't the police are formed of people like you and me so if we are social misfits so are they, i couldn't live my life in the negative all the time, in my opinion its a waste of life, long live anarchy |
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
Is this a useful way to live your life finding the wrong and using the law to punish people, i kinda feel sorry for anyone who sees wasting his life in the negative as futile, ditch the bike and get the bus a much better way to waste your day or just spend it on here
Having watched some of his videos, I cannot help but feel concerned for his safety at times. "
well in order to keep up with a car and keep his head facing the action surely he wasn't riding his bike with thought for others anyway let alone his own safety....... Just let it go i say |
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"Here’s a slight different perspective on doing wrong for justice,
My mate, a copper has just left the station in his police car, spotted a known, wanted criminal driving towards him.
Swerved and hit his car head on and arrested the guy.
Didn’t get done for dangerous driving.
Who’s in the right??"
He is a police man in hot pursuit. They can break traffic laws as I understand it. |
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"I bet a pound to a penny he's never filmed and reported other cyclists breaking the law. "
Do cyclists beak the Law?? I am shocked!! 
A bicycle should not be ridden on the pavement, ridden across pedestrian crossings and should never go through red traffic lights, yet they do it all the time.
The problem is, without number plates, car dash cameras cannot identify cycling Law breakers so they get away with it. Consequently the cyclist's vendetta against car drivers is only going to aggravate road rage incidents. |
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news
Great news serves the cunt right should mind his own business, lucky the range driver didn’t pull over and batter the twat
He might wish to be careful, some cyclists carry multitools. Perfect for sorting a mechanical issue, or using the blade for defence.
Some Range Rover drivers carry firearms and machetes.
Both as bad as each other."
Thats about right, but then again Range Rovers drivers are in the idiot driver category. |
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"Although both are in the wrong because the cyclist broke the law,ie on wrong side of the road the idiot on the phones lawyer will argue you can uphold the law by breaking the law. I've know several incidences where a defending lawyer has ask for the hole journeys film footage and got a client of because in the footage the filmer has broken the law
How can that be a defence?
So if somebody were caught on camera driving away an abduction victim - their evidence could be dismissed if the person filming was breaking the law to get the footage? Or did I misunderstand what you're saying?
As the law stands yes it can be seen as inadmissible in court but the final decision is in the judges hands"
Do you have examples?
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By *rpeggioCouple 39 weeks ago
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"I bet a pound to a penny he's never filmed and reported other cyclists breaking the law. "
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Bicycles don't have number plates. I am a cyclist and see often (don't wear a camera) cyclists that are negligent and irresponsible, reckless and worst... How could I possibly report them? |
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By *ullyMan 39 weeks ago
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Far too many people thinking they are in charge of the roads these days, and cyclists of course thinking they own the roads. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Cyclists need to look very careful at themselves and their flouting of laws before trying to police others. |
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By *batMan 39 weeks ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"He is a police man in hot pursuit. They can break traffic laws as I understand it. "
Any policing action has to be justifiable, proportionate, legal and necessary.
Police officers are exempt from some road traffic law in the execution of their duty, but in many cases ramming a car would not be proportionate.
If someone is abducting a child, trying to plant a bomb, randomly murdering people, driving really dangerously, then by all means ram their car.
If they've just done a runner from McDonalds or are wanted in connection with a mortgage fraud two years earlier, probably best not to risk their life, the officers life and possibly writing off 2 cars to lock them up. It's not proportionate.
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"Is driving on the wrong side of the road illegal? It actually seem to be required at many points in many journeys, to pass parked cars for example..."
I wondered this too. Cars themselves are supposed to give 1.5 metres distance when passing a bike.
Bikes are sensible to do the same when passing stationary vehicles (in case somebody opens a door).
Am surprised there would be a case for prosecution. Interested to see how it plays out. |
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"Is driving on the wrong side of the road illegal? It actually seem to be required at many points in many journeys, to pass parked cars for example...
I wondered this too. Cars themselves are supposed to give 1.5 metres distance when passing a bike.
Bikes are sensible to do the same when passing stationary vehicles (in case somebody opens a door).
Am surprised there would be a case for prosecution. Interested to see how it plays out."
As far as I can tell, unless there is a physical "central reservation" or solid white lines, then there is nothing from stopping vehicles from driving on the "wrong side", as long as they don't cause an accident or obstruction to vehicles travelling the other way... in which case, the offence would be "without due care" not "driving on the wrong side".
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"Is driving on the wrong side of the road illegal? It actually seem to be required at many points in many journeys, to pass parked cars for example...
I wondered this too. Cars themselves are supposed to give 1.5 metres distance when passing a bike.
Bikes are sensible to do the same when passing stationary vehicles (in case somebody opens a door).
Am surprised there would be a case for prosecution. Interested to see how it plays out.
As far as I can tell, unless there is a physical "central reservation" or solid white lines, then there is nothing from stopping vehicles from driving on the "wrong side", as long as they don't cause an accident or obstruction to vehicles travelling the other way... in which case, the offence would be "without due care" not "driving on the wrong side".
Cal"
This is what he did. He rode to the opposite side of the road in front of a filtering motorcyclist that was passing.
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"Love watching cycling mikey! He is doing a grand job! X
Not up on cycling Mikey. Does he film both cars and cyclists ?"
as I said before I bet he doesn't, however as it was pointed out you can't identify the cyclists. If cyclists were registered like cars they could be, and the possibility of being prosecuted might stop some of their dangerous actions. |
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"Love watching cycling mikey! He is doing a grand job! X
Not up on cycling Mikey. Does he film both cars and cyclists ?"
Vehicles! He does tell cyclists if he sees them doing wrong! His dad was killed by a d*unk driver I believe! X |
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"Love watching cycling mikey! He is doing a grand job! X
Not up on cycling Mikey. Does he film both cars and cyclists ?
Vehicles! He does tell cyclists if he sees them doing wrong! His dad was killed by a d*unk driver I believe! X"
Doesn’t report them to the police though, like he does to vehicle drivers. |
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
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He must be so proud of himself |
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"Love watching cycling mikey! He is doing a grand job! X
Not up on cycling Mikey. Does he film both cars and cyclists ?
Vehicles! He does tell cyclists if he sees them doing wrong! His dad was killed by a d*unk driver I believe! X
Doesn’t report them to the police though, like he does to vehicle drivers."
True! But 1 they have no identification and 2 cyclists very rarely do the damage that vehicles do for obvs reasons! Rightly or wrongly! X |
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"There is a YouTuber called cycling Mikey who goes around doing this in London. He has a list of successful prosecutions under his belt. He attends court as a witness. He has had quite a few well known celebrities before the dock, including the boxer Chris Eubanks and the director Guy Ritchie.
He must be so proud of himself"
Indeed he certainly shd b! X |
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"Love watching cycling mikey! He is doing a grand job! X
Not up on cycling Mikey. Does he film both cars and cyclists ?as I said before I bet he doesn't, however as it was pointed out you can't identify the cyclists. If cyclists were registered like cars they could be, and the possibility of being prosecuted might stop some of their dangerous actions. "
Don't seen to stop some of the vehicles? X |
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"Love watching cycling mikey! He is doing a grand job! X
Not up on cycling Mikey. Does he film both cars and cyclists ?as I said before I bet he doesn't, however as it was pointed out you can't identify the cyclists. If cyclists were registered like cars they could be, and the possibility of being prosecuted might stop some of their dangerous actions.
Don't seen to stop some of the vehicles? X"
true, but it does stop some of them, surely that must mean even if it only stops one person being dangerous on the road it's a good thing. |
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dave-clifton-prosecution-cyclist-range-rover-met-police-apology-b1143446.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqFwgwKg4IACoGCAowqvB9MMTRCTDL15oCMO2s_QI&utm_content=related
Seems like the police have backtracked. |
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"Is driving on the wrong side of the road illegal? It actually seem to be required at many points in many journeys, to pass parked cars for example...
I wondered this too. Cars themselves are supposed to give 1.5 metres distance when passing a bike.
Bikes are sensible to do the same when passing stationary vehicles (in case somebody opens a door).
Am surprised there would be a case for prosecution. Interested to see how it plays out.
As far as I can tell, unless there is a physical "central reservation" or solid white lines, then there is nothing from stopping vehicles from driving on the "wrong side", as long as they don't cause an accident or obstruction to vehicles travelling the other way... in which case, the offence would be "without due care" not "driving on the wrong side".
Cal
This is what he did. He rode to the opposite side of the road in front of a filtering motorcyclist that was passing.
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Having just seen the video, the motorcyclist & cyclist would both ordinarily be entitled to take that space. However due to the roadworks, the oncoming trafic is actually all straddling the white line... so the cyclist was on "his own side of the road" and the motorcyclist should have given way.
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"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dave-clifton-prosecution-cyclist-range-rover-met-police-apology-b1143446.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqFwgwKg4IACoGCAowqvB9MMTRCTDL15oCMO2s_QI&utm_content=related
Seems like the police have backtracked."
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Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
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But then again. Those rounded sufaces are attached to a heavy machine usually travelling at more than 20 mph. Where the bike is no where near the mass of a vehicle.
The amount of people killed by cars, far out strips those killed by cyclists. |
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When cyclists pay money to the DVLA for the use of the road, I will give a fig. Right now they are poncy, self entitled twats in Lycra.
How they managed to lobby to get what they got into the Highway Code…
The old nob heads on the golf course are now the new cocks on Cubes. |
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
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To be fair, the forces involved in a collision with a car at 20mph are hugely greater than a bike at the same speed (force = mass X velocity)... and in most cases, the collisions between cyclist and pedestrians tend to be flesh to flesh. Statistics show us that less than 0.75% if pedestrians fatalities are caused by cyclists (2-3 per year).
Yes there are lots of people on bikes who ride on the path, ride without lights, ignore reds, etc... but they're generally not the blokes in lycra that some motorists HATE so passionately, riding their £5k carbon fibre bikes. Those you refer to are much more likely to be those who are on a bike because they have to be.
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
To be fair, the forces involved in a collision with a car at 20mph are hugely greater than a bike at the same speed (force = mass X velocity)... and in most cases, the collisions between cyclist and pedestrians tend to be flesh to flesh. Statistics show us that less than 0.75% if pedestrians fatalities are caused by cyclists (2-3 per year).
Yes there are lots of people on bikes who ride on the path, ride without lights, ignore reds, etc... but they're generally not the blokes in lycra that some motorists HATE so passionately, riding their £5k carbon fibre bikes. Those you refer to are much more likely to be those who are on a bike because they have to be.
Cal"
As a pedestrian the probability of being hit by a car is basically zero if I am on the pavement. The same should be true of being hit by a bike - sadly it is a daily occurrence to have to dodge a cyclist whilst walking.
Actually, I no longer dodge when a cyclist comes barrelling down the pavement - I have taken to carry on walking and have started to enjoy the look of fear on their face when they realise that _they_ are going to have to do something else it will end badly. In the last month I have seen people veer into hedges, hit lampposts and fall off kerbs because they misunderstood the fact I was going to assert my right of way. |
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
To be fair, the forces involved in a collision with a car at 20mph are hugely greater than a bike at the same speed (force = mass X velocity)... and in most cases, the collisions between cyclist and pedestrians tend to be flesh to flesh. Statistics show us that less than 0.75% if pedestrians fatalities are caused by cyclists (2-3 per year).
Yes there are lots of people on bikes who ride on the path, ride without lights, ignore reds, etc... but they're generally not the blokes in lycra that some motorists HATE so passionately, riding their £5k carbon fibre bikes. Those you refer to are much more likely to be those who are on a bike because they have to be.
Cal
As a pedestrian the probability of being hit by a car is basically zero if I am on the pavement. The same should be true of being hit by a bike - sadly it is a daily occurrence to have to dodge a cyclist whilst walking.
Actually, I no longer dodge when a cyclist comes barrelling down the pavement - I have taken to carry on walking and have started to enjoy the look of fear on their face when they realise that _they_ are going to have to do something else it will end badly. In the last month I have seen people veer into hedges, hit lampposts and fall off kerbs because they misunderstood the fact I was going to assert my right of way. "
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By *batMan 38 weeks ago
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"When cyclists pay money to the DVLA for the use of the road, I will give a fig. "
I imagine a lot of cyclists have motor vehicles too.
But of course you already know that Vehicle Excise Duty is based on emissions don't you? A zero emissions car pays a zero car tax, and if bikes were included, they'd pay a zero tax too.
I don't live in the UK anymore, but just in case I do take my bike when I visit, you'll feel reassured that I have 3rd party insurance for it.
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
To be fair, the forces involved in a collision with a car at 20mph are hugely greater than a bike at the same speed (force = mass X velocity)... and in most cases, the collisions between cyclist and pedestrians tend to be flesh to flesh. Statistics show us that less than 0.75% if pedestrians fatalities are caused by cyclists (2-3 per year).
Yes there are lots of people on bikes who ride on the path, ride without lights, ignore reds, etc... but they're generally not the blokes in lycra that some motorists HATE so passionately, riding their £5k carbon fibre bikes. Those you refer to are much more likely to be those who are on a bike because they have to be.
Cal
As a pedestrian the probability of being hit by a car is basically zero if I am on the pavement. The same should be true of being hit by a bike - sadly it is a daily occurrence to have to dodge a cyclist whilst walking.
Actually, I no longer dodge when a cyclist comes barrelling down the pavement - I have taken to carry on walking and have started to enjoy the look of fear on their face when they realise that _they_ are going to have to do something else it will end badly. In the last month I have seen people veer into hedges, hit lampposts and fall off kerbs because they misunderstood the fact I was going to assert my right of way. "
As a cyclist, I totally support that  they shouldn't be on the path.
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"When cyclists pay money to the DVLA for the use of the road, I will give a fig.
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Roads are funded through general taxation, but if you think that "road tax" is the deciding factor... I've got a van and a motorbike that are all taxed. I think I'm paying more than the average motorist.
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As a pedestrian the probability of being hit by a car is basically zero if I am on the pavement. The same should be true of being hit by a bike - sadly it is a daily occurrence to have to dodge a cyclist"
In reality, there are roughly sixty times more pedestrians injured by motor vehicles than bikes in the uk |
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
To be fair, the forces involved in a collision with a car at 20mph are hugely greater than a bike at the same speed (force = mass X velocity)... and in most cases, the collisions between cyclist and pedestrians tend to be flesh to flesh. Statistics show us that less than 0.75% if pedestrians fatalities are caused by cyclists (2-3 per year).
Yes there are lots of people on bikes who ride on the path, ride without lights, ignore reds, etc... but they're generally not the blokes in lycra that some motorists HATE so passionately, riding their £5k carbon fibre bikes. Those you refer to are much more likely to be those who are on a bike because they have to be.
Cal"
The latest carbon bike I saw had a price tag of £15,000. |
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"When cyclists pay money to the DVLA for the use of the road, I will give a fig. Right now they are poncy, self entitled twats in Lycra.
How they managed to lobby to get what they got into the Highway Code…
The old nob heads on the golf course are now the new cocks on Cubes."
I wonder how long it would be before an uneducated driver would use the tax comment.
Everyone who pays the council tax, pays for the upkeep of the roads, regardless of if they are a car driver or not.
I drive a company electric car and don't pay VED on it, my current 2014 plated focus is VED exempt.
I actually feel sorry for those who have to pay 'road tax' |
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"Perhaps vigilante cyclists should start with the many offenders in their own ranks.
Swerving, cycling on pavements, cycling at night without lights, ignoring red lights and pedestrians on crossings.
They should also be aware of how dangerous their machines are to pedestrians. At 20mph, being run into by a car, with its flat and rounded front areas of softer materials, is probably not as potentially dangerous as being hit by the narrow wheel/tyre of a bicycle or its other parts such as handlebars or pedals, or indeed by the cyclist.
To be fair, the forces involved in a collision with a car at 20mph are hugely greater than a bike at the same speed (force = mass X velocity)... and in most cases, the collisions between cyclist and pedestrians tend to be flesh to flesh. Statistics show us that less than 0.75% if pedestrians fatalities are caused by cyclists (2-3 per year).
Yes there are lots of people on bikes who ride on the path, ride without lights, ignore reds, etc... but they're generally not the blokes in lycra that some motorists HATE so passionately, riding their £5k carbon fibre bikes. Those you refer to are much more likely to be those who are on a bike because they have to be.
Cal
The latest carbon bike I saw had a price tag of £15,000."
Shhhh, wives should never know how much things REALLY cost |
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i’ve caught a few bad drivers on my camera and reported to the police, ive not gone out of my way or broken any highway code to do this, mostly it’s been drivers going through red lights when I’ve been stopped at them  |
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"Maybe a bit off topic but as a cyclist myself I hate it when I see other cyclists who don’t wear a helmet. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear one"
I don’t cycle regularly but I‘ve never worn one, never owned one.
When I learnt to ride no one even gave a thought to wearing a helmet on a bicycle, I don’t think you could even get one, they just weren’t a thing. |
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"Maybe a bit off topic but as a cyclist myself I hate it when I see other cyclists who don’t wear a helmet. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear one"
I'm also bemused by cyclists not wearing helmets, but 90% of people on bikes are not really cyclists. Having been hit by cars three times, once deliberate (driver went to prison), I couldn't imagine not protecting myself.
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"Maybe a bit off topic but as a cyclist myself I hate it when I see other cyclists who don’t wear a helmet. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear one"
I never wear one! In fact I found it out the other week and gave to my neice as she wanted one! I've been riding my bike daily for over 50 years never had an accident! I know no matter how carefull I am won't stop careless drivers ! But I'm good at anticipating them most of the time! So not gonna start wearing one at my age! Unless it becomes law of course! X |
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"Maybe a bit off topic but as a cyclist myself I hate it when I see other cyclists who don’t wear a helmet. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear one
I never wear one! In fact I found it out the other week and gave to my neice as she wanted one! I've been riding my bike daily for over 50 years never had an accident! I know no matter how carefull I am won't stop careless drivers ! But I'm good at anticipating them most of the time! So not gonna start wearing one at my age! Unless it becomes law of course! X"
Good for Canyfloss, it's a free country (most of the time) so you do as you like, I love cycling but as you say, it'll be one of the idiotic (Audi or Range Rover c***s) drivers that will cause you damage, a helmet isn't gonna do much to protect you from them!! |
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"Maybe a bit off topic but as a cyclist myself I hate it when I see other cyclists who don’t wear a helmet. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear one
I never wear one! In fact I found it out the other week and gave to my neice as she wanted one! I've been riding my bike daily for over 50 years never had an accident! I know no matter how carefull I am won't stop careless drivers ! But I'm good at anticipating them most of the time! So not gonna start wearing one at my age! Unless it becomes law of course! X
Good for Canyfloss, it's a free country (most of the time) so you do as you like, I love cycling but as you say, it'll be one of the idiotic (Audi or Range Rover c***s) drivers that will cause you damage, a helmet isn't gonna do much to protect you from them!!"
Personally, I think they’re providing considerable protection when your heads suddenly in contact with the bonnet of a car or the ground... but I'm also happy enough for others to choose for themselves. I also think there's a considerably different level of risk to a cyclist travelling at 20mph+ and someone riding at 6mph. The faster you go, the higher the risk.
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By *r TriomanMan 38 weeks ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I once saw a video posted on F Book; a driver was so incensed when he saw a car with kids in it without seat belts and climbing over the parcel shelf as the car was being driven, that he drove one handed, tail gating the car, with his phone in the other hand so that he could film this act of stupidity.
People can lose sense of what's right and wrong when they are in these situations. |
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"Two wrongs don't make a right.
I once saw a video posted on F Book; a driver was so incensed when he saw a car with kids in it without seat belts and climbing over the parcel shelf as the car was being driven, that he drove one handed, tail gating the car, with his phone in the other hand so that he could film this act of stupidity.
People can lose sense of what's right and wrong when they are in these situations."
To be fair though, the cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong. The "filtering" he did to pass the queued traffic was all legal & on his own side of the road... so in this case, "one wrong" doesn't make a right |
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"Reports that a cyclist in London saw a Range Rover driver using a mobile phone whilst driving and changed the course of his journey and caught up in an attempt to film the Range Rover driver with the cyclist Helmet mounted camera. The cyclist sent this to the police and the Range Rover driver received a letter of advice and the cyclist has been accused of riding on the wrong side of the road. In effect. The car driver got off and the cyclist has been charged. What's going o here guys. It's all over the news "
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...then go through red light. 