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By (user no longer on site) OP 45 weeks ago
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Can you accept other people's veiws.
So to go a bit deeper into this, what makes a opinion valid?
I'm going to play devil's advocate here to try and endorse a deeper look.
This thread will probably fall on its ass as I don't think deep philosophical conversations are everyone's taste.
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All opinions are valid to the person holding them.
If it's a particularly hateful or counterproductive opinion then an attempt may be made to question why they hold that belief and understand how they got to that space. Perhaps a few prods to evaluate those values.
But sadly, people can think what they like. Even if it's morally reprehensible  |
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"We are agreeing that valid doesn't necessarily mean right, yes?"
That's a difficult question because the Oxford dictionary definition of valid is 'having a sound basis in logic or fact'. I'd argue that many opinions have no such basis.  |
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I asked a question here a few weeks ago about degrees of validity or how important lived experience was against something read or researched.
My opinion is as I said in the other thread, that if it relates to something that I have experienced then my view or opinion will be coloured and informed by that.
If someone who has never experienced that but has done a lot of research including stuff that has been peer reviewed by others who didn't experience it either I will still contest that my view is correct and theirs either totally wrong or wholly different and we will never agree so there is little point debating it.
I have found that on here when I've related actual life experiences and been told by others to go read up on it to see how wrong I am or how these things could not possibly have happened because of particular codes of practice that I refuse to acknowledge their smiley emojis because they are obviously trolling or shit stirring.
Others who were not even born when they occurred or who have never been to this country telling me they didn't happen?
And yet..... They did! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 45 weeks ago
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"It depends on context. It’s ok to have an opinion that a subjective ‘thing’ is better than another. It’s not ok to deny objective reality. "
But who's the authority on what's reality? That comes down to personal preference doesn't it? Take a religious belief vs an atheist belief.
"All opinions are valid to the person holding them.
If it's a particularly hateful or counterproductive opinion then an attempt may be made to question why they hold that belief and understand how they got to that space. Perhaps a few prods to evaluate those values.
But sadly, people can think what they like. Even if it's morally reprehensible "
I like this answer, trying to understand why someone has a veiw rather than just shutting that person down.
I think shutting them down is more dangerous than having dialogue. |
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By (user no longer on site) 45 weeks ago
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"But who's the authority on what's reality? That comes down to personal preference doesn't it? Take a religious belief vs an atheist belief.
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Religious beliefs are subjective - they can’t be proven one way or the other, it’s natural to disagree on those.
Someone may well believe that the Earth is flat, but that requires them to deny actual evidence, physics. Photographs. Testament of those who’ve been into space. It’s still an opinion that the Earth is flat, but not one worth engaging with since the holder of the opinion simply refuses to accept reality. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS 45 weeks ago
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It obviously depends what it is. The validity of some opinions are less problematic than others.
If someone has the opinion that marmite is good or bad, I can live with either.
If their opinion was that climate change is made up, racism doesn't exist, the tories aren't corrupt, etc, then that is a lot harder to live with.  |
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It was the opinion of a jury that wrongly convicted an innocent man, who eventually spent 17 years in jail, that he was guilty. That opinion was widely held to be valid until it was proved not to be. |
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By *essaMayWoman 45 weeks ago
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"We are agreeing that valid doesn't necessarily mean right, yes?
That's a difficult question because the Oxford dictionary definition of valid is 'having a sound basis in logic or fact'. I'd argue that many opinions have no such basis. "
This ^^^. Where the term so miss used, if you study philosophy "valid argument" is one that all the empirical evidence without exception supports. If there is any kind of exception, however small it is nolonger a "valid argument" it is a fallacy.
So next you have a Credible Opinion or and Educated Opinion.
As in another thread  Most opinions fall in the category of credible or not. People try soo hard to make their opinions more credible than others. Some are based on knowledge, understanding, experience but more often than not People use fake analysis, sound bites and out of context information, even lies to make their opinions more credible.
Upto us to determine if we think they are credible, we may use different tools, knowledge, experience, research, popularity, if they are hot or not, like or dislike. determine whether we think their opinions are credible or not.
How many have simply dismissed an opinion whether credible or not, due to dislike, jealousy or even to try and impress someone else? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 45 weeks ago
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"Empirical evidence"
But empirical evidence is limited by our current knowledge, so at some stage that evidence could prove to be wrong.
However I agree we follow where the logic points.
But if you have 2 experts in a certain field with different results, who do you believe to be more valid?
Whoever is the most respected amongst their peers? Whoevers veiws are more aligned with what the majority of society believes? The one expert who's other belief systems and vaules are aligned with yours? |
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