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Can james bond only be played by an english actor?
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By *hagTonight OP Man 50 weeks ago
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I read few articles about it and it seems that quite few thinks that james bond should only be played by an english and even nicolas cage said that in an interview that james bond should only be played by british actors.
I kind of agree with that as it is something britishness about it, like the accent.
What is your view about it and could a non british actor ever play james bond and keep their accent in the movies?  |
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By *batMan 50 weeks ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
Sean Connery.
In Doctor Who, do they use real Daleks or is it all just make believe?
Was it wrong to have an American playing the lead role in Bridget Jones?
English guy playing lead role in Band of Brothers?
There’s loads of examples aren’t there?
It’s acting!
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By *bi HaiveMan 50 weeks ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
It's called 'acting'. As long as he doesn't sound like a redneck or crocodile Dundee I don't think it matters. Although they'd all probably be better suited than Alan Carr.
Plus as others have said....Connery, Brosnan and Lazenby weren't English so there's hardly a precedent. |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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They should have done away with the James Bond is the same person no matter who plays him years ago.
Should have made the name and 007 something that was assigned to agents to hide thier real identity - much like Jason Bourne isn't his real name it's David Webb. That way wouldn't matter what age/colour the actor was.
And I know purists will bang on about Ian Fleming and how he wrote his character. But anyone who has read the original IF books knows the JB on screen is far removed from the JB in the books, so that argument is invalid.
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Fleming's bond was more Scottish than English really, I'm not really bothered which country the actor comes from, but I do think we have 2 great options from the UK (Henry cavill, Sam Heughan). I'd like to see them undo the cluster fuck of the last film and take it back to the 50s / 60s era of the books. |
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"It's called 'acting'. As long as he doesn't sound like a redneck or crocodile Dundee I don't think it matters. Although they'd all probably be better suited than Alan Carr.
Plus as others have said....Connery, Brosnan and Lazenby weren't English so there's hardly a precedent. "
Now you’ve set me off, I’ve got Alan Carr in various bond scenarios running round my head |
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"Well, the character is an English Commander of the Navy"
Sorry, my bad. Of course, it is a British Navy, and other folk are right about Connery and Lazenby
No intended slur from me with my earlier mistake. Apologies all |
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By *ost SockMan 50 weeks ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
"Fair enough. Don't give him a break."
I think people are reading it more as him conflating English with British in the post than him correcting himself.
I’m not saying they are right and it doesn’t bother me here at all (but it happens so often, and I’ll admit it does make me grumble a touch in certain circumstances e.g. talking about WWII).
Given he’s from a different country originally, he can have a pass anyway. |
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It's a bit of a stretch. The role has been played by half a dozen actors, not all of whom have been English. "James bond"'s age has also fluctuated wildly, so there's a theory that the name has been taken by successive agents taking the codename 007. |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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"James Bond is a British white male, you could put an actor who wasn’t British, white and male in the role, but they would not be James Bond. "
Bond is also a fictional character and can be played by any actor, or indeed actress. |
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By *r X46Man 50 weeks ago
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"James Bond is a British white male, you could put an actor who wasn’t British, white and male in the role, but they would not be James Bond.
Bond is also a fictional character and can be played by any actor, or indeed actress. "
He is fictional but was described in great detail by his creator. Just because Flemming is dead doesn't mean we should just have a free license to trash his creation. People seems to forget why these characters become popular in the first place.
I know doesn't make a difference to anyone's life (and personally I don't give a fuck) but if we changed Bond them we might as well make the next Blade and white women who isn't a vampire. And just try imagine the Internet outrage if that happened. |
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"Sean Connery - Scottish
George Lazenby - Australian
Timothy Dalton - Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - Irish
Roger Moore - English
Daniel Craig - English"
Everyone always forgets David Niven played James Bond in 1967 in the original Casino Royal |
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"James Bond is a British white male, you could put an actor who wasn’t British, white and male in the role, but they would not be James Bond.
Bond is also a fictional character and can be played by any actor, or indeed actress.
He is fictional but was described in great detail by his creator. Just because Flemming is dead doesn't mean we should just have a free license to trash his creation. People seems to forget why these characters become popular in the first place.
I know doesn't make a difference to anyone's life (and personally I don't give a fuck) but if we changed Bond them we might as well make the next Blade and white women who isn't a vampire. And just try imagine the Internet outrage if that happened."
Roland Deschain is described in great detail by Stephen King. He was played by Idris Elba, who put in a fine performance (terrible movie held up entirely by Elba and McConaughey).
Making Bond black, female or anything else doesn’t ‘trash’ Fleming’s creation, only the writing and production can do that. |
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"James Bond is a British white male, you could put an actor who wasn’t British, white and male in the role, but they would not be James Bond.
Bond is also a fictional character and can be played by any actor, or indeed actress.
He is fictional but was described in great detail by his creator. Just because Flemming is dead doesn't mean we should just have a free license to trash his creation. People seems to forget why these characters become popular in the first place.
I know doesn't make a difference to anyone's life (and personally I don't give a fuck) but if we changed Bond them we might as well make the next Blade and white women who isn't a vampire. And just try imagine the Internet outrage if that happened."
Given how different the character of Bond is from the original books to what is portrayed on screen it could be said they already have, so what difference does changing it more make? |
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"James Bond is a British white male, you could put an actor who wasn’t British, white and male in the role, but they would not be James Bond.
Bond is also a fictional character and can be played by any actor, or indeed actress.
He is fictional but was described in great detail by his creator. Just because Flemming is dead doesn't mean we should just have a free license to trash his creation. People seems to forget why these characters become popular in the first place.
I know doesn't make a difference to anyone's life (and personally I don't give a fuck) but if we changed Bond them we might as well make the next Blade and white women who isn't a vampire. And just try imagine the Internet outrage if that happened."
The good thing about fiction is you can do anything, because it's fiction. |
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Prior to him playing a bad guy in Casino Royale I thought Mads Mikkleson would make a great Bond.
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau or better known as Jamie Lannister maybe, very good English accent.
Bill Skarsgard, Viggo Mortensen etc…
Doesn’t have to be a US actor …plenty closer to home and I think would be able to pull off an English accent and look like a dapper Navy Officer. |
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By *ornLordMan 50 weeks ago
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There was no mention of James Bond's Scottish ancestry in the early books by Ian Fleming (correctly spelt with one M, so to speak). It is only in On Her Majesty' Secret Service, Fleming's third-last full-length Bond novel, that it is mentioned, when Bond's genealogy comes up (no, matron!) during his meeting with Sir Hillary Bray at the Royal College of Arms.
Fleming is said to have introduced this aspect in homage to Connery. |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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"Should be 100% a British man but likely won't be soon enough as there is a desire to humiliate or offend British men.
We all see it but all just yawn."
It’s them wokies again, right? |
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By *TG3Man 50 weeks ago
Dorchester |
"Yes simple answer is yes Ian Flemmings bond was a posh englishman 
Bond was half Scots, half Swiss. "
Well a british naval officer and back in the day when my pal Ian wrote the book they were all posh, Edinburgh is the posh end of Scotland |
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By *TG3Man 50 weeks ago
Dorchester |
"Sean Connery - Scottish
George Lazenby - Australian
Timothy Dalton - Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - Irish
Roger Moore - English
Daniel Craig - English
Everyone always forgets David Niven played James Bond in 1967 in the original Casino Royal"
and he was very posh |
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By *m3232Man 50 weeks ago
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"James Bond is a British white male, you could put an actor who wasn’t British, white and male in the role, but they would not be James Bond. "
I agree with this. If you want to change it up then create another franchise.
Films like that are fantasy and should be allowed to get away with not being politically correct. |
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"Should be 100% a British man but likely won't be soon enough as there is a desire to humiliate or offend British men.
We all see it but all just yawn.
It’s them wokies again, right?"
Yes, them snowflakes.
Am I wrong?
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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"Should be 100% a British man but likely won't be soon enough as there is a desire to humiliate or offend British men.
We all see it but all just yawn.
It’s them wokies again, right?
Yes, them snowflakes.
Am I wrong?
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That there’s some conspiratorial effort to humiliate and offend British men?
Yes, you’re wrong. |
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By *rispyDuckMan 50 weeks ago
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I would have to agree with the article on this 1!
I’m tired of this woke shit lol if the character was written as a ‘white male english character’ then that’s what it should be.
For example if we were making a movie of the ‘late Queen’ could Eddie Murphy play the character? Or a Harry Potter remake & cast ‘Shaquile O’neal’ as Harry & ‘RuPaul’ as Hermione Granger. 
Yes you could do it, but when you read the books that’s not how they are described. Just saying  |
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"I would have to agree with the article on this 1!
I’m tired of this woke shit lol if the character was written as a ‘white male english character’ then that’s what it should be.
For example if we were making a movie of the ‘late Queen’ could Eddie Murphy play the character? Or a Harry Potter remake & cast ‘Shaquile O’neal’ as Harry & ‘RuPaul’ as Hermione Granger.
Yes you could do it, but when you read the books that’s not how they are described. Just saying "
...come on.
You wanna see both of those though right? Wizard Shaq?! I know I do!
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By *rispyDuckMan 50 weeks ago
Chinese Takeaway near you |
"I would have to agree with the article on this 1!
I’m tired of this woke shit lol if the character was written as a ‘white male english character’ then that’s what it should be.
For example if we were making a movie of the ‘late Queen’ could Eddie Murphy play the character? Or a Harry Potter remake & cast ‘Shaquile O’neal’ as Harry & ‘RuPaul’ as Hermione Granger.
Yes you could do it, but when you read the books that’s not how they are described. Just saying
...come on.
You wanna see both of those though right? Wizard Shaq?! I know I do!
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would be a laugh seeing wizard Shaq haha |
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By *aizyWoman 50 weeks ago
west midlands |
"I would have to agree with the article on this 1!
I’m tired of this woke shit lol if the character was written as a ‘white male english character’ then that’s what it should be.
For example if we were making a movie of the ‘late Queen’ could Eddie Murphy play the character? Or a Harry Potter remake & cast ‘Shaquile O’neal’ as Harry & ‘RuPaul’ as Hermione Granger.
Yes you could do it, but when you read the books that’s not how they are described. Just saying
...come on.
You wanna see both of those though right? Wizard Shaq?! I know I do!
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You're not the only one! Eddie Murphy as the Queen?? Tell me where I can get tickets to see that! |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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Incidentally, Barbera Broccoli is on record aging that Bond should be played by a British man. Ethnicity or race isn’t relevant - but he should be British.
Can’t say fairer than that, from the ultimate source. |
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"I read few articles about it and it seems that quite few thinks that james bond should only be played by an english and even nicolas cage said that in an interview that james bond should only be played by british actors.
I kind of agree with that as it is something britishness about it, like the accent.
What is your view about it and could a non british actor ever play james bond and keep their accent in the movies? "
It's acting. They're pretending to be someone while being filmed. Why would it matter what nationality the person pretending to be James Bond is.
If you follow that to it's conclusion, the actor has to be called "James", last name has to be "Bond", they have to work for MI7, and drink Martinis. |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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"James Bond should be as the character was written.
If anyone wants to deviate from that then make a new character.
Stop fucking about with a writer's creation. "
The Aston Martin DB5 is out, then. |
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"James Bond should be as the character was written.
If anyone wants to deviate from that then make a new character.
Stop fucking about with a writer's creation. "
Yeah but the thing is if a character is made like odd job and they switched it up so instead of Harold Sakata and they decided to recreate it (for example the actor has died why not use someone like) Jack Black to rewrite it it would be hilarious like the postal versions of films |
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"James Bond should be as the character was written.
If anyone wants to deviate from that then make a new character.
Stop fucking about with a writer's creation.
The Aston Martin DB5 is out, then."
I don't mind keeping it safe for him. |
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By *aizyWoman 50 weeks ago
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House. "
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional! |
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House. "
And an American actor play an Irish character and I’m sorry his Irish accent was shit in snatch haha |
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!"
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth? |
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Ashame Idis Elba kinda aged out
I thought he would have been a decent bond. Though now I'd loke to see it go someone like Kit Harington, Theo James, richard Madden, or Tom huddleston. maybe even James Mcavoy |
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth?"
Or a white man playing 'Shaft'. |
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth?
Or a white man playing 'Shaft'. "
I think the same applies but I doubt anyone would accept it. |
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By *aizyWoman 50 weeks ago
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth?
Or a white man playing 'Shaft'.
I think the same applies but I doubt anyone would accept it. "
Maybe I should just keep out of it, I've never watched a James Bond film in my life! |
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"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth?
Or a white man playing 'Shaft'.
I think the same applies but I doubt anyone would accept it.
Maybe I should just keep out of it, I've never watched a James Bond film in my life! "
Daniel Craig is worth a watch  |
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By *TG3Man 50 weeks ago
Dorchester |
"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth?
Or a white man playing 'Shaft'.
I think the same applies but I doubt anyone would accept it.
Maybe I should just keep out of it, I've never watched a James Bond film in my life!
Daniel Craig is worth a watch "
He was the best bond for me |
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By *aizyWoman 50 weeks ago
west midlands |
"It might only be me but I genuinely don't care. Why is James Bond so special? We had an American actress playing Bridget Jones a British actor playing House.
I don't get all the fuss, not just about James Bond, but any fictional character, they are fictional!
He's been various heights, weights and hair colours, has never aged and has survived the unsurvivable if you can suspend your disbelief that far surely you can cope with a French Bond.
What next an English person playing Macbeth?
Or a white man playing 'Shaft'.
I think the same applies but I doubt anyone would accept it.
Maybe I should just keep out of it, I've never watched a James Bond film in my life!
Daniel Craig is worth a watch "
It was reported a few years ago he was thinking of buying a house in a little village about 5 miles from me, I had my cup all ready to go and knock on his door for a cup of sugar, but sadly he didn't buy the house!  |
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I doubt the people who own the franchise are going to go too radical with the next Bond. The type of person who would watch the films are not going to be happy with a woman playing Bond or some camp guy.
Look at what happened with the female cast of Ghostbusters and the uproar that happened before and after release. Women playing roles made famous by men, ‘the Horror the Horror’ (hope someone gets the reference)
So calm down, your fears of Ru Paul et al being the next Bond won’t happen. |
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It's a fictional character so could be played by anyone imo.
I'm not a Bond fan, haven't seen most of them and don't intend to but surely if just better to pick whoever auditioned the best for the role rather than worrying about nationality? Plenty of actors can out a decent accent on so what does it matter? |
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By *essaMayWoman 50 weeks ago
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It is difficult to say, seems every time Americans create a james bond similarly. Lady Killers - Dean Martin to XXX etc, although i like them as fun films they never really replicate the bond franchise.
I think they should retire bond and maybe work on a new format. Dr Who never really worked with Jodie Whittaker although i did have a bit of a girly crush on her fir a bit, don't know how new doctor will work out but Russell T Davis is now back writing.I know that is todo more with the writing etc
Just wonder now if james bond is still relevant |
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" surely you can cope with a French Bond.
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There are many things in life that I am proud to say I have coped with, but a French James Bond , no, just no, of all the nations in the world, you had to go and choose the French, I’m going to have to lie down in a darkened room to get over the trauma of even thinking about this. |
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"Should be 100% a British man but likely won't be soon enough as there is a desire to humiliate or offend British men.
We all see it but all just yawn.
It’s them wokies again, right?
Yes, them snowflakes.
Am I wrong?
That there’s some conspiratorial effort to humiliate and offend British men?
Yes, you’re wrong."
Well, luckily for me I trust my opinion over your own. |
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By *ags73Man 50 weeks ago
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Such a long time between film kills the continuity and I felt sorry for Daniel Craig as troubles for MGM meant he probably got in less Bond movies than he should.
With media groups and film companies being global things who knows who’ll get cast
I think the guy from Outlander would be an obvious choice but how when and if there’s a next bond film is the thing |
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By *ough75Man 50 weeks ago
edinburgh/bakewell/derby |
Given Ian Fleming was Scottish
Sean Connery - Scottish
George lazendy - Australian
Timothy dalton Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - irish
Only a couple of films have had an English actor play bond |
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By (user no longer on site) 50 weeks ago
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It must be a British male with that panties-over-the-head accent. Any other nationalites/genres are welcome to write/film their own stories or even 007 fan fiction, but let's keep the main franchise true to the books they were based on. |
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"Let's put this to bed once and for all:-
I'll be the next James Bond
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End of thread.
The obvious solution!
Cheers mate. "
I'm assuming you'll be putting in a good word for me as a Bond Granny er I mean Girl. |
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" surely you can cope with a French Bond.
There are many things in life that I am proud to say I have coped with, but a French James Bond , no, just no, of all the nations in the world, you had to go and choose the French, I’m going to have to lie down in a darkened room to get over the trauma of even thinking about this. "
Make yourself a cup of sweet tea you'll be fine |
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By *orny PTMan 50 weeks ago
Peterborough |
"Sean Connery - Scottish
George Lazenby - Australian
Timothy Dalton - Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - Irish
Roger Moore - English
Daniel Craig - English"
and the spoof actor from the other Casino Royale (1967)...
David Niven - English |
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Bond is a white British male forever in his 30's, as described by Fleming.
I fear that I will never see a bond film in production again or I will have to wait for a long time to see a bond movie again.
Why because of Diversity, equality and inclusion which is infecting Disney big time and other Francises Take the last indy film as an example, or the down turn at Marvel.
Bond has been in this group sights since the last days of the Moore era, Dalton tried to change that aspect of bond for filming but the public rejected this so they went back to the old formula.
in Bonds last film he is quoted as saying "you'll never see me again" and that film is like a homage to Bond a last goodbye for a Bond we will never see again.
I was seriously upset to see the end of a character I have followed for over 50 years, in print and film.
I note that when I went to see no time to die not one person got up to leave during the end credits until the bond will return came up.
I saw a post that mentioned putting Bond back in his original time the 50/60's era as a fan I would say that is the way to go so the real bond could be shown, but I think it would be offensive to some well many in our time now.
Bond flew the flag around the world, and is the envy of the film industry, copying something is the first sign....
I hope see him again bit it may take a while. |
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By *ough75Man 50 weeks ago
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"Sean Connery - Scottish
George Lazenby - Australian
Timothy Dalton - Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - Irish
Roger Moore - English
Daniel Craig - English
and the spoof actor from the other Casino Royale (1967)...
David Niven - English"
Mind you David Niven claimed all his life to have been born in Kirriemuir rather than London it was only after his death his birth certificate surfaced |
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How is Britishness defined?
He’s been previously portrayed by an Aussie, Scotsman, Irishman, Englishman.
But in the books, he’s supposed to be SCOTTISH.
And what about how he looks?
He’s never been portrayed by an actor who looks the way he’s described in the book.
He’s said to have looked kinda like Prince Phillip, with a scar down his face.
Ian Fleming said he’s always wanted David Niven to play him. |
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But I think it’s important he is British. Simply because of what he represents to British Culture & old skool British masculinity.
If he’s not a hard-drinking, quick-witted, misogynistic, murderer. He isn’t James Bond anymore.
Drives the best BRITISH CAR
Wears the best BRITISH CLOTHES
Shags FOREIGN women LOL
Want an American James Bond? Give Felix Leiter a spin-off movie.
Afro-Caribbean James Bond? Give Quarrel a promotion & give him a spin-off movie. |
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By *orny PTMan 50 weeks ago
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"Sean Connery - Scottish
George Lazenby - Australian
Timothy Dalton - Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - Irish
Roger Moore - English
Daniel Craig - English
and the spoof actor from the other Casino Royale (1967)...
David Niven - English
Mind you David Niven claimed all his life to have been born in Kirriemuir rather than London it was only after his death his birth certificate surfaced "
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By *orny PTMan 50 weeks ago
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"But I think it’s important he is British. Simply because of what he represents to British Culture & old skool British masculinity.
If he’s not a hard-drinking, quick-witted, misogynistic, murderer. He isn’t James Bond anymore.
Drives the best BRITISH CAR
Wears the best BRITISH CLOTHES
Shags FOREIGN women LOL
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Don't forget to mention the loose cannon element and gambling.
Edward Woodward, ticked a lot of those boxes. |
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To answer the O.P
As many have pointed out Bond has been played by none British actors, Fleming after firstly disliking Connery, Fleming wanted Cary grant but grant would not sign a 3 picture deal. After the success of the first two Fleming made bond a scot in homage to Connery.
I think one would be surprised at how many nationalities have screen tested for bond, look this up on YouTube if interested.
If Bond comes back I would choose Arron Taylor - Johnson from kick ass, as bond actors are actors who are known but not superstars.
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"How is Britishness defined?
He’s been previously portrayed by an Aussie, Scotsman, Irishman, Englishman.
But in the books, he’s supposed to be SCOTTISH.
And what about how he looks?
He’s never been portrayed by an actor who looks the way he’s described in the book.
He’s said to have looked kinda like Prince Phillip, with a scar down his face.
Ian Fleming said he’s always wanted David Niven to play him."
In casino Royal Vesper Lynn describes Bond as Looking like a Hoagy Carmichael (a British composer), also Gala Brand in Moonraker describes him as such.
sorry am being anal, it matters not. |
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"But I think it’s important he is British. Simply because of what he represents to British Culture & old skool British masculinity.
If he’s not a hard-drinking, quick-witted, misogynistic, murderer. He isn’t James Bond anymore.
Drives the best BRITISH CAR
Wears the best BRITISH CLOTHES
Shags FOREIGN women LOL
Want an American James Bond? Give Felix Leiter a spin-off movie.
Afro-Caribbean James Bond? Give Quarrel a promotion & give him a spin-off movie."
For an American Bond I would say Mission Impossible would be Bonds greatest rival in film at the moment. (and stop putting you finger in your ear) |
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"But I think it’s important he is British. Simply because of what he represents to British Culture & old skool British masculinity.
If he’s not a hard-drinking, quick-witted, misogynistic, murderer. He isn’t James Bond anymore.
Drives the best BRITISH CAR
Wears the best BRITISH CLOTHES
Shags FOREIGN women LOL
Want an American James Bond? Give Felix Leiter a spin-off movie.
Afro-Caribbean James Bond? Give Quarrel a promotion & give him a spin-off movie."
Love this funny. |
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"I doubt the people who own the franchise are going to go too radical with the next Bond. The type of person who would watch the films are not going to be happy with a woman playing Bond or some camp guy.
Look at what happened with the female cast of Ghostbusters and the uproar that happened before and after release. Women playing roles made famous by men, ‘the Horror the Horror’ (hope someone gets the reference)
So calm down, your fears of Ru Paul et al being the next Bond won’t happen. "
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"How is Britishness defined?
He’s been previously portrayed by an Aussie, Scotsman, Irishman, Englishman.
But in the books, he’s supposed to be SCOTTISH.
And what about how he looks?
He’s never been portrayed by an actor who looks the way he’s described in the book.
He’s said to have looked kinda like Prince Phillip, with a scar down his face.
Ian Fleming said he’s always wanted David Niven to play him.
In casino Royal Vesper Lynn describes Bond as Looking like a Hoagy Carmichael (a British composer), also Gala Brand in Moonraker describes him as such.
sorry am being anal, it matters not."
Oh my bad. I’m going by the 50s comic strip. Flemming had a hand in that too |
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"Bond is a white British male forever in his 30's, as described by Fleming.
I fear that I will never see a bond film in production again or I will have to wait for a long time to see a bond movie again.
Why because of Diversity, equality and inclusion which is infecting Disney big time and other Francises Take the last indy film as an example, or the down turn at Marvel.
Bond has been in this group sights since the last days of the Moore era, Dalton tried to change that aspect of bond for filming but the public rejected this so they went back to the old formula.
in Bonds last film he is quoted as saying "you'll never see me again" and that film is like a homage to Bond a last goodbye for a Bond we will never see again.
I was seriously upset to see the end of a character I have followed for over 50 years, in print and film.
I note that when I went to see no time to die not one person got up to leave during the end credits until the bond will return came up.
I saw a post that mentioned putting Bond back in his original time the 50/60's era as a fan I would say that is the way to go so the real bond could be shown, but I think it would be offensive to some well many in our time now.
Bond flew the flag around the world, and is the envy of the film industry, copying something is the first sign....
I hope see him again bit it may take a while."
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"How is Britishness defined?
He’s been previously portrayed by an Aussie, Scotsman, Irishman, Englishman.
But in the books, he’s supposed to be SCOTTISH.
And what about how he looks?
He’s never been portrayed by an actor who looks the way he’s described in the book.
He’s said to have looked kinda like Prince Phillip, with a scar down his face.
Ian Fleming said he’s always wanted David Niven to play him.
In casino Royal Vesper Lynn describes Bond as Looking like a Hoagy Carmichael (a British composer), also Gala Brand in Moonraker describes him as such.
sorry am being anal, it matters not.
Oh my bad. I’m going by the 50s comic strip. Flemming had a hand in that too"
yes I have read those also good shout. |
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"Let's put this to bed once and for all:-
I'll be the next James Bond
.
End of thread.
The obvious solution!
Cheers mate.
I'm assuming you'll be putting in a good word for me as a Bond Granny er I mean Girl. "
I've already chosen your bond girl name: Miss Suckall |
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"Bond is a white British male forever in his 30's, as described by Fleming.
I fear that I will never see a bond film in production again or I will have to wait for a long time to see a bond movie again.
Why because of Diversity, equality and inclusion which is infecting Disney big time and other Francises Take the last indy film as an example, or the down turn at Marvel.
Bond has been in this group sights since the last days of the Moore era, Dalton tried to change that aspect of bond for filming but the public rejected this so they went back to the old formula.
in Bonds last film he is quoted as saying "you'll never see me again" and that film is like a homage to Bond a last goodbye for a Bond we will never see again.
I was seriously upset to see the end of a character I have followed for over 50 years, in print and film.
I note that when I went to see no time to die not one person got up to leave during the end credits until the bond will return came up.
I saw a post that mentioned putting Bond back in his original time the 50/60's era as a fan I would say that is the way to go so the real bond could be shown, but I think it would be offensive to some well many in our time now.
Bond flew the flag around the world, and is the envy of the film industry, copying something is the first sign....
I hope see him again bit it may take a while.
Has Bond ever been played by a man in his 30s?"
not sure without looking this up maybe Connery and Lazenby ,Moore was defiantly older in fact Connery is the oldest Bond being just 2 years older than Moore I would say the actors most likely where in there 30's where Lazenby my favourite bond because he had no idea he was a model not an actor and was coached to play bond and Connery, the other where most likely pushing 40 or late 30's |
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"Should be 100% a British man but likely won't be soon enough as there is a desire to humiliate or offend British men.
We all see it but all just yawn."
And whether such a thing as a 100% British person even exists is a whole different debate! |
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"Bond is a white British male forever in his 30's, as described by Fleming.
I fear that I will never see a bond film in production again or I will have to wait for a long time to see a bond movie again.
Why because of Diversity, equality and inclusion which is infecting Disney big time and other Francises Take the last indy film as an example, or the down turn at Marvel.
Bond has been in this group sights since the last days of the Moore era, Dalton tried to change that aspect of bond for filming but the public rejected this so they went back to the old formula.
in Bonds last film he is quoted as saying "you'll never see me again" and that film is like a homage to Bond a last goodbye for a Bond we will never see again.
I was seriously upset to see the end of a character I have followed for over 50 years, in print and film.
I note that when I went to see no time to die not one person got up to leave during the end credits until the bond will return came up.
I saw a post that mentioned putting Bond back in his original time the 50/60's era as a fan I would say that is the way to go so the real bond could be shown, but I think it would be offensive to some well many in our time now.
Bond flew the flag around the world, and is the envy of the film industry, copying something is the first sign....
I hope see him again bit it may take a while.
Has Bond ever been played by a man in his 30s?
not sure without looking this up maybe Connery and Lazenby ,Moore was defiantly older in fact Connery is the oldest Bond being just 2 years older than Moore I would say the actors most likely where in there 30's where Lazenby my favourite bond because he had no idea he was a model not an actor and was coached to play bond and Connery, the other where most likely pushing 40 or late 30's"
Turns out Lazenby and Connery are the only actors to have played Bond whilst in their 30s. |
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"You couldn't put an accurate Fleming Bond on screen these days.
The way he is portrayed in the books would not sit well today. "
Agreed, one poster proposed putting Bond back to the book period then there could be a disclaimer like in some old T.V programmes.
Christopher Nolan has proposed this also.
Sadly I do not think bond will be back until the DEI issue has been solved.
I am not against DEI I just wish they wouldn't put it on the characters I grew up with. I wish they could invent characters that suit this time, Atomic Blonde as an example great character who kicks ass James Bond style. |
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"Bond is a white British male forever in his 30's, as described by Fleming.
I fear that I will never see a bond film in production again or I will have to wait for a long time to see a bond movie again.
Why because of Diversity, equality and inclusion which is infecting Disney big time and other Francises Take the last indy film as an example, or the down turn at Marvel.
Bond has been in this group sights since the last days of the Moore era, Dalton tried to change that aspect of bond for filming but the public rejected this so they went back to the old formula.
in Bonds last film he is quoted as saying "you'll never see me again" and that film is like a homage to Bond a last goodbye for a Bond we will never see again.
I was seriously upset to see the end of a character I have followed for over 50 years, in print and film.
I note that when I went to see no time to die not one person got up to leave during the end credits until the bond will return came up.
I saw a post that mentioned putting Bond back in his original time the 50/60's era as a fan I would say that is the way to go so the real bond could be shown, but I think it would be offensive to some well many in our time now.
Bond flew the flag around the world, and is the envy of the film industry, copying something is the first sign....
I hope see him again bit it may take a while.
Has Bond ever been played by a man in his 30s?
not sure without looking this up maybe Connery and Lazenby ,Moore was defiantly older in fact Connery is the oldest Bond being just 2 years older than Moore I would say the actors most likely where in there 30's where Lazenby my favourite bond because he had no idea he was a model not an actor and was coached to play bond and Connery, the other where most likely pushing 40 or late 30's
Turns out Lazenby and Connery are the only actors to have played Bond whilst in their 30s."
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Interesting thread and read. Nice to know everyone's thinking on such topics.
JB is quintessentially British / English. I'm all up for diversity, but if that was the original character created by Fleming i.e. white, English male, then I believe that should be carried through always. I.e. the likeness to the character should be kept alive. Otherwise it does feel a little diluted, "not right". |
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"Let's put this to bed once and for all:-
I'll be the next James Bond
.
End of thread.
The obvious solution!
Cheers mate.
I'm assuming you'll be putting in a good word for me as a Bond Granny er I mean Girl.
I've already chosen your bond girl name: Miss Suckall "
I was thinking Gummy Galore |
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"Let's put this to bed once and for all:-
I'll be the next James Bond
.
End of thread.
The obvious solution!
Cheers mate.
I'm assuming you'll be putting in a good word for me as a Bond Granny er I mean Girl.
I've already chosen your bond girl name: Miss Suckall
I was thinking Gummy Galore "
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It's Jack O'Connell. Has to be. Similar to him playing paddy mayne.
It'll be an origin story of a young bond showing promise in the army to him coming out and joining mi6 leading to his first kill.
Boom franchised rebooted with an actor who can do a run of at least 5 movies. |
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"Ashame Idis Elba kinda aged out
I thought he would have been a decent bond."
On an interview, Idris Elba said if he did played Bond, there would be so much outrage that the issue would eclipse the film. That would have been publicity but not the kind a film needs. |
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"John Boyega.
He doesn’t land big roles anymore. I wonder why  Why, what's he done?, Mrs x
I *personally* believe him speaking truth to power is a reason. "
Don't understand what you are saying, sorry for my ignorance, Mrs x |
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"Sean Connery - Scottish
George Lazenby - Australian
Timothy Dalton - Welsh
Pierce Brosnan - Irish
Roger Moore - English
Daniel Craig - English
and the spoof actor from the other Casino Royale (1967)...
David Niven - English"
Is Timothy Dalton is Welsh, then Shane McGowan is English by that logic |
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