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"or negative things from the Daily Mail. it would be nanoseconds"  | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof "shhhhhhhh  | |||
"Judges are becoming more strict on evicting people and more about second chances...it might be the arrears were not her fault as she may not been aware on how to claim housing benefit correctly..." which is exactly what the article implies | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
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"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof "its much easier to get a tenant out if your private than council | |||
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"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
its much easier to get a tenant out if your private than council"It includes every tenant council or otherwise | |||
"This happens alot in housing..." Yesterday it was announced that rent arrears have gone up since the current government decided to not pay landlords directly in a test group. Well what a surprise! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it pay its rent | |||
"Judges are becoming more strict on evicting people and more about second chances...it might be the arrears were not her fault as she may not been aware on how to claim housing benefit correctly... which is exactly what the article implies" It's not all about claiming correctly but also the local authority not making any errors in the processing of the claim. Found this out to my disadvantage as I'm now in arrears with both housing and council tax after never owing a penny before claiming due to an error on their part. Been told in no uncertain terms, like it or lump it and you have to pay it back  | |||
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"Judges are becoming more strict on evicting people and more about second chances...it might be the arrears were not her fault as she may not been aware on how to claim housing benefit correctly... which is exactly what the article implies It's not all about claiming correctly but also the local authority not making any errors in the processing of the claim. Found this out to my disadvantage as I'm now in arrears with both housing and council tax after never owing a penny before claiming due to an error on their part. Been told in no uncertain terms, like it or lump it and you have to pay it back "That was the same as me when i worked part time and claim a percentage of housing and council costs. Went to the local office with payslips etc and they did all the forms.... But every 3 mths i had a letter saying i was in arrears, despite paying what i had been told to.
That happened all the time until i went full time and paid full rent etc. | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
its much easier to get a tenant out if your private than council"It is easier just as it will be to remove squatters from private and commercial residences and properties | |||
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"She could have had housing benefit which would have covered the rent but failed to apply properly. The judge quashed the decision to evict her because it was not proportionate. Seems reasonable to me. Stopping someone from being evicted because they couldnt fill in a form to pay money from one part of the council to another messing up her life and that of her children and requiring a ton of time and money to sort out the mess." Im in no way saying this lady was in the wrong but was incredulous about the article and the fact that someone would have to apply to the court of human rights in order to sort things out. The council here jump on anyone who owes as much as £20 . so the council were at fault in allowing the amount to amass. I would want to see anyone homeless let alone kids.... I just found it puzzling that "human rights" could be applied | |||
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"Judges are becoming more strict on evicting people and more about second chances...it might be the arrears were not her fault as she may not been aware on how to claim housing benefit correctly... which is exactly what the article implies It's not all about claiming correctly but also the local authority not making any errors in the processing of the claim. Found this out to my disadvantage as I'm now in arrears with both housing and council tax after never owing a penny before claiming due to an error on their part. Been told in no uncertain terms, like it or lump it and you have to pay it back
That was the same as me when i worked part time and claim a percentage of housing and council costs.
Went to the local office with payslips etc and they did all the forms....
But every 3 mths i had a letter saying i was in arrears, despite paying what i had been told to.
That happened all the time until i went full time and paid full rent etc. "Similar situation here, seriously thinking of getting papers and MP involved though as the people I give the info too are supposed to know what they are doing, yet they have managed to put me in debt
I've never owed a penny rent or council tax yet now I do after asking for assistance figure that out | |||
"Judges are becoming more strict on evicting people and more about second chances...it might be the arrears were not her fault as she may not been aware on how to claim housing benefit correctly... which is exactly what the article implies It's not all about claiming correctly but also the local authority not making any errors in the processing of the claim. Found this out to my disadvantage as I'm now in arrears with both housing and council tax after never owing a penny before claiming due to an error on their part. Been told in no uncertain terms, like it or lump it and you have to pay it back
That was the same as me when i worked part time and claim a percentage of housing and council costs.
Went to the local office with payslips etc and they did all the forms....
But every 3 mths i had a letter saying i was in arrears, despite paying what i had been told to.
That happened all the time until i went full time and paid full rent etc.
Similar situation here, seriously thinking of getting papers and MP involved though as the people I give the info too are supposed to know what they are doing, yet they have managed to put me in debt
I've never owed a penny rent or council tax yet now I do after asking for assistance figure that out "I never figured it out in my case so good luck in your situation......totally inept council workers | |||
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"She could have had housing benefit which would have covered the rent but failed to apply properly. The judge quashed the decision to evict her because it was not proportionate. Seems reasonable to me. Stopping someone from being evicted because they couldnt fill in a form to pay money from one part of the council to another messing up her life and that of her children and requiring a ton of time and money to sort out the mess. Im in no way saying this lady was in the wrong but was incredulous about the article and the fact that someone would have to apply to the court of human rights in order to sort things out. The council here jump on anyone who owes as much as £20 . so the council were at fault in allowing the amount to amass. I would want to see anyone homeless let alone kids.... I just found it puzzling that "human rights" could be applied "I suppose if you consider dignity, a roof over your head and to be treated with equality a human right then sadly you also require a court to judge when these may have been impinged up on. This person if what has been reported is correct had difficulties completing the documents correctly should have all available support to hand. Someone must have represented in court and new how to proceed. | |||
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"Good idea. Maybe i'll apply to the human rights court about this 'bedroom tax'! Why should i, as a father with access rights to my kids, be forced into moving from a two bed flat to a one bed flat? " Forced ? | |||
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" I think were not looking at this objectively. The law is very complex and protects many aspects of the individual. However it is being used as a defence for people's poor behavior. Nobody wishes anyone to be homeless, but if the landlord relies on the rent as income, do they not have a form of recourse ? Collate all the facts before passing judgement ? " And if the documents were simple and if the rent was paid direct..... | |||
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"Good idea. Maybe i'll apply to the human rights court about this 'bedroom tax'! Why should i, as a father with access rights to my kids, be forced into moving from a two bed flat to a one bed flat? Forced ? " Yep. Lets say for arguments sake i lose my job. I am then on benefits and housing benefit. So, i'm expected to pay the difference in the rent which i think works out at about £15 per week. Or move to a smaller flat! | |||
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"Is it not ridiculous as the rent is being paid by one government department and to another government department that they can't sort it out between them and the money be paid directly and correctly so the tenant never need be involved with the money. Also if she was entitled to £15000 per annum but purely due to incorrect paperwork she didn't receive enough to pay the rent why can't they look at the situation and say oh dear that was a mistake but let's just sort it out and pay what we should have in the first place." I agree, I was referring to when private landlords are involved as now the rents instead of being paid directly are being given to the tenant, now some this will not be an issue but as the recent test pilot has shown arrears have gone up substantially | |||
"Not all local auth are inept and some are making great strides to serve the constituents better. 5live reported on Staffordshire's Local Auth's and its success in recruiting fosterers from sectors such as the police and teaching and there like for fostering children with extreme and difficult situations.. They are constantly looking to help serve the community better with mystery shopping campaigns etc, Most work very hard and without overtime or bonuses and remember its their council too." Lol I worked for staffs county council and know exactly what goes on on the "inside" | |||
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"I suspect the Supreme Court decision was guided by the fact she didn't personally benefit for what happened. Had she been pocketing the Housing Benefit, she'd probably be in jail - or out now as this story seems to date to last year." it was actually 25 months ago. still theres no harm in highlighting it  | |||
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"I suspect the Supreme Court decision was guided by the fact she didn't personally benefit for what happened. Had she been pocketing the Housing Benefit, she'd probably be in jail - or out now as this story seems to date to last year. it was actually 25 months ago. still theres no harm in highlighting it "You're right. Inside Housing Feb 2011. I read it as 2012  | |||
"Well as im not an avid mail reader or any other sort....i hadnt known about it. but its so nice that the forum police are about to show me the error of my ways "so you saw it on facebook then? | |||
"Well as im not an avid mail reader or any other sort....i hadnt known about it. but its so nice that the forum police are about to show me the error of my ways
so you saw it on facebook then?"Im researching for the campaign on saying no to the bedroom tax. It popped up . | |||
"........ Im researching for the campaign on saying no to the bedroom tax. ................... " Any sensible suggestions on this front? | |||
"........ Im researching for the campaign on saying no to the bedroom tax. ................... Any sensible suggestions on this front?" Its all gathering pace as the days go on with hopefully a full march on downing street and or local councils etc. similar to the poll tax demonstrations. Time will tell. But reading the article above, shows that using laws like this....just maybe benefical to all affected.????? | |||
"........ Im researching for the campaign on saying no to the bedroom tax. ................... Any sensible suggestions on this front? Its all gathering pace as the days go on with hopefully a full march on downing street and or local councils etc. similar to the poll tax demonstrations. Time will tell. But reading the article above, shows that using laws like this....just maybe benefical to all affected.?????" Time is what people don't have. I don't believe the story (above) informs the Bedroom Tax campaign in any way. The Powell case was about technical arrears - the Bedroom Tax is very different. | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof "That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months ! | |||
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"There's a credit union type organisation started up in Glasgow where people who know they'll have issues handing their own rent post 1st April can arrange to have their benefits paid into the credit union and authorise the credit union to make rent payments on their behalf. I don't know any more than that but it must be worth investigating." Great idea ! | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months !"My mum works for the Citizen advice service, and they are dreading what is going to happen when people have their benefits paid directly too them. Suddenly people who can not manage their money or have no experience of money management, are going to find they have a nice big lump of cash in their account, and will inevitably dip into it instead of using it as it is meant to be used! M | |||
"There's a credit union type organisation started up in Glasgow where people who know they'll have issues handing their own rent post 1st April can arrange to have their benefits paid into the credit union and authorise the credit union to make rent payments on their behalf. I don't know any more than that but it must be worth investigating." They have that here as well.. Most Private landlords ask now that tenant who are on benefits open one up.. I think its a great idea | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months !"In these circumstances HB will psy direct to landlord if supporting letter is sent in relation to vulernabilty of tenant and that they will not be able to manage their money... | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months !
My mum works for the Citizen advice service, and they are dreading what is going to happen when people have their benefits paid directly too them.
Suddenly people who can not manage their money or have no experience of money management, are going to find they have a nice big lump of cash in their account, and will inevitably dip into it instead of using it as it is meant to be used!
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"Precisely, it'd be no different I I suddenly had £500/week deposited in my account that I'd never had before and my kids needed new shoes...or, in more extreme cases, I needed to score drugs ! Why place temptation there ? | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months !
In these circumstances HB will psy direct to landlord if supporting letter is sent in relation to vulernabilty of tenant and that they will not be able to manage their money... "I guessed that would be the case but we've had no guidelines yet. | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months !
My mum works for the Citizen advice service, and they are dreading what is going to happen when people have their benefits paid directly too them.
Suddenly people who can not manage their money or have no experience of money management, are going to find they have a nice big lump of cash in their account, and will inevitably dip into it instead of using it as it is meant to be used!
M
Precisely, it'd be no different I I suddenly had £500/week deposited in my account that I'd never had before and my kids needed new shoes...or, in more extreme cases, I needed to score drugs ! Why place temptation there ?"Or families may choose to eat rather than pay their rent | |||
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"Presumably, the OP thinks that the person in he article should be made homeless, and the human rights legislations should be done away with. Sounds like a well thought out thread, doesn't it! "If a private homeowner doesn't pay his/her mortgage, or if a private tenant does pay his/her rent - guess what happens? A council tenant shouldn't use his/her status as a govt funded tenant to take the piss and not pay their rent because they feel their money is better spent elsewhere. Pay up or ship out.  | |||
"sorry if im missing something here, but by virtue of the description "homeless" thereby been precluded from holding a resident address how does anyone receive housing benefits? this is not been facetious i really dont get it?" The person made homeless because they didn't pay their rent goes to the bottom of the list when looking for a new 'home'. What's the point evicting someone just to give them another house of equal standing immediately. | |||
"Presumably, the OP thinks that the person in he article should be made homeless, and the human rights legislations should be done away with. Sounds like a well thought out thread, doesn't it! "Except people are evicted all the time and don't end up homeless as the local authority are obliged to find them somewhere to live even if its just a bed and breakfast | |||
"Presumably, the OP thinks that the person in he article should be made homeless, and the human rights legislations should be done away with. Sounds like a well thought out thread, doesn't it!
If a private homeowner doesn't pay his/her mortgage, or if a private tenant does pay his/her rent - guess what happens?
A council tenant shouldn't use his/her status as a govt funded tenant to take the piss and not pay their rent because they feel their money is better spent elsewhere. Pay up or ship out. "Absolutely right | |||
"Presumably, the OP thinks that the person in he article should be made homeless, and the human rights legislations should be done away with. Sounds like a well thought out thread, doesn't it! "Doing away with Human Rights laws is a main plank of Theresa May's campaign to oust David Cameron as leader of the Tories. Sounds like a well thought out policy, doesn't it? | |||
"sorry if im missing something here, but by virtue of the description "homeless" thereby been precluded from holding a resident address how does anyone receive housing benefits? this is not been facetious i really dont get it? The person made homeless because they didn't pay their rent goes to the bottom of the list when looking for a new 'home'. What's the point evicting someone just to give them another house of equal standing immediately. "That's because they go to the CAB and get all their debts written off with some pathetic excuse and hey presto, debt free and we've been made to take a former tenant who then ran up another £2000 rent arrears and was evicted for the second time in 4 yrs | |||
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"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business." It's actually to encourage people to be more responsible with their money, its already been trialled in a couple of areas with no problems well that's what they say | |||
"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business. It's actually to encourage people to be more responsible with their money, its already been trialled in a couple of areas with no problems well that's what they say "Yeah. That's what they say. We'll see how it pans out. | |||
"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business. It's actually to encourage people to be more responsible with their money, its already been trialled in a couple of areas with no problems well that's what they say "Arrears has gone through the roof in those areas | |||
"Wait till April when all housing benefit gets paid direct to the tenant and not the landlord, arrears will go through the roof
That's about the strength of it, I'm currently a Key Worker at a homeless hostel and no way would most of the guys there want the responsibility of dealing with their own Housing Benefits on top of all the other issues a lot of them have to deal with...I also have a feeling we're going to get very busy in the coming months !
In these circumstances HB will psy direct to landlord if supporting letter is sent in relation to vulernabilty of tenant and that they will not be able to manage their money...
I guessed that would be the case but we've had no guidelines yet."If you need info PM me... Not really one to discuss certain things on here..  | |||
"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business." That doesn't make sense if it's some scheme to line the pockets of rich Tories. I'd bet my life that paying rent directly to tenants of social housing will see that money go straight down the bookies, or to Tescos for a case of lager. | |||
"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business. That doesn't make sense if it's some scheme to line the pockets of rich Tories. I'd bet my life that paying rent directly to tenants of social housing will see that money go straight down the bookies, or to Tescos for a case of lager." It makes perfect sense. Paying Housing Benefit directly to social tenants will see many eveicetd as they find other uses for the cash. Paying Housing Benefit to private landlords will ensure their tenants face no such temptations. That'll make the buy to let market, currently in the doldrums, more attractive to the kind of Rachman we saw all those years ago. | |||
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"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business. That doesn't make sense if it's some scheme to line the pockets of rich Tories. I'd bet my life that paying rent directly to tenants of social housing will see that money go straight down the bookies, or to Tescos for a case of lager. It makes perfect sense. Paying Housing Benefit directly to social tenants will see many eveicetd as they find other uses for the cash. Paying Housing Benefit to private landlords will ensure their tenants face no such temptations. That'll make the buy to let market, currently in the doldrums, more attractive to the kind of Rachman we saw all those years ago." No, it doesn't make sense. You're suggesting that social tenants will flock to private landlords. They won't. Some of the people evicted for rent arrears are those who WANT their housing benefit paid directly to them so they can spend it on a new plasma tv. | |||
"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business. That doesn't make sense if it's some scheme to line the pockets of rich Tories. I'd bet my life that paying rent directly to tenants of social housing will see that money go straight down the bookies, or to Tescos for a case of lager. It makes perfect sense. Paying Housing Benefit directly to social tenants will see many eveicetd as they find other uses for the cash. Paying Housing Benefit to private landlords will ensure their tenants face no such temptations. That'll make the buy to let market, currently in the doldrums, more attractive to the kind of Rachman we saw all those years ago. No, it doesn't make sense. You're suggesting that social tenants will flock to private landlords. They won't. Some of the people evicted for rent arrears are those who WANT their housing benefit paid directly to them so they can spend it on a new plasma tv." plasmas are so last year dahling | |||
"Paying rent direct to social landlord tenants but not to the tenants of private landlords is simply part of a Tory plan to get people out of social housing and into the clutches of their pals in the buy-to-let business. It's actually to encourage people to be more responsible with their money, its already been trialled in a couple of areas with no problems well that's what they say
Yeah. That's what they say.
We'll see how it pans out."I work for a housing association, we are expecting our rent arrears to sky rocket  | |||
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