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As a relatively new member and possibly nievely putting my exact true age into my profile (I'm a spritely and youthful 57 btw) I'm blown away by the number of other users who choose '55'as their cut off range.
Okay I know you literally have to draw a line somewhere but I'm wondering if I need to loose a few years to squeeze back under the high bar.??
What do other people think. Perhaps I'm best leaving it as is, no offense will be taken ?? |
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"As a relatively new member and possibly nievely putting my exact true age into my profile (I'm a spritely and youthful 57 btw) I'm blown away by the number of other users who choose '55'as their cut off range.
Okay I know you literally have to draw a line somewhere but I'm wondering if I need to loose a few years to squeeze back under the high bar.??
What do other people think. Perhaps I'm best leaving it as is, no offense will be taken ??"
Why be deceitful? If I found out someone had lied to get around filters/my preferences then it would be game over. |
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"So… are you basically asking if it’s ok to lie about your age? Makes me wonder what else are you going to lie about. "
Yeah.
Lots of people do lie* about their age, and it's a hard no for me for that reason - what else are they lying about?
* I don't mind "lying" for anonymity - that is, putting something that's basically true down as your birth date. I do it myself - I've made my Fab birthday less than a month wrong. But no one gives a shit if you say your birthday is January when it's February. People mind a lot more when you say you were born in 1995 when you were born in 1985. |
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I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this. |
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By *bi HaiveMan 47 weeks ago
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
Some choose 35. Some 45. Some 55.
Some can't be arsed and choose 18-99.
At the end of the day it is what it is.
You won't change their minds. |
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
But as a previous poster asked, why are you preferences up to age 65 ? That's your preference, others have theirs. |
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I'm older than you are and have never once had a conversation about my age on here. Some people complain about 50 or 45 being a cut off point but I was 52 when I signed up and it has never been an issue. |
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
Simple really for me....if I were younger then my upper age limit would be set younger. If say I was 20ish then I wouldn't want anyone in their 50's |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57 |
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By *ustBoWoman 47 weeks ago
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The fact that people lie about their age is exactly the reason I have my upper limit where is now. Too many take years off to cheat through filters.
If you cannot be truthful about your age why would you expect anyone to meet you and think you would tell the truth about anything else. |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
You hit the nail on the head, thank you.
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57"
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By *TG3Man 47 weeks ago
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57" age is a human inovation though, its so we can be tracked the nepalese never had birthdays until recently, whatever happened to the saying you're as young as the person you're feeling? |
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I really do HATE or maybe dislike the line .....
Oooooooooooo if you lie about your age , what else are you going to lie about ????
It's one of the most juvenile badly thought out comments on the net.....
If someone meets someone purely based on the number they give then more fool them.
Surely you size them up via pics or chat to them first ....... Does your fanny fall off if it turns out they were two years older than they said ?
A filter hopper is not a liar they may FEEL or LOOK a lot younger and are just evading the barriers not lying to people. |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57"
That's deep Granny..
Very accurate though.. |
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I’m a few weeks into being 51.
My local updates has so many that cut off at 45, 48 and 50. C’est La Vie and all that.
Can’t control other people’s preferences and nothing I can do, so not worth worrying about it and maybe if I get to more events and club things, maybe get to say hiya |
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"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot "
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you. |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57
That's deep Granny..
Very accurate though.. "
Deep ? fuck me .... wait till we get religious or political |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57age is a human inovation though, its so we can be tracked the nepalese never had birthdays until recently, whatever happened to the saying you're as young as the person you're feeling? "
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By *TG3Man 47 weeks ago
Dorchester |
"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you." thank you thank you monies in our account now |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57
That's deep Granny..
Very accurate though..
Deep ? fuck me .... wait till we get religious or political "
You can sod off with that stuff, it's Sunday..
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"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you.thank you thank you monies in our account now "
I’ve already spent it on a new ball gag, honey. |
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By *TG3Man 47 weeks ago
Dorchester |
"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you.thank you thank you monies in our account now
I’ve already spent it on a new ball gag, honey. " actually silence is golden |
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By *enaiWoman 47 weeks ago
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When I was 10 our cat Rastus was run over by a truck.
We were distraught and the suggestion of a new cat was out of the question.
The following week a neighbour called by with a kitten.
We loved Toby for 17 years..
Love is where you find it. |
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The problem lies not with those who set the age to 55 and not with you for being 57....
The fault lies in the essentialist nature of society and it's attempts at categorising ....
So .... instead of being : good looking, fit, a great laugh, caring, attentive, horny , open to new ideas and a great socialiser.... you become .
57
That's deep Granny..
Very accurate though..
Deep ? fuck me .... wait till we get religious or political
You can sod off with that stuff, it's Sunday..
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That’s The day to talk about it.
And that was the Sunday School thread. |
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"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you.thank you thank you monies in our account now
I’ve already spent it on a new ball gag, honey. actually silence is golden "
I didn’t say which one of us will be wearing it… because you already know.
Peanut gallery? He’s TRULY a fantastic specimen for 99 though. |
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By *TG3Man 47 weeks ago
Dorchester |
"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you.thank you thank you monies in our account now
I’ve already spent it on a new ball gag, honey. actually silence is golden
I didn’t say which one of us will be wearing it… because you already know.
Peanut gallery? He’s TRULY a fantastic specimen for 99 though. " really let me look |
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Op truth is always the best policy as when they meet you there's always ways to trip up and then you destroy the trust u may have built and it soon gets around and your fucked as I just look and see who's into older gents and message them ,as someone else has already said they are out there,good luck |
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By *ustBoWoman 47 weeks ago
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"I really do HATE or maybe dislike the line .....
Oooooooooooo if you lie about your age , what else are you going to lie about ????
It's one of the most juvenile badly thought out comments on the net.....
If someone meets someone purely based on the number they give then more fool them.
Surely you size them up via pics or chat to them first ....... Does your fanny fall off if it turns out they were two years older than they said ?
A filter hopper is not a liar they may FEEL or LOOK a lot younger and are just evading the barriers not lying to people."
It doesn't matter how they feel or act,the fact is their age is what it is. Taking years off to bypass people's filters is pathetic and sad.
And yes it would make me not want to go father with those who do, especially when they take a lot off their age.My profile my choice,just like your choice is to ignore they lied.
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"He’s 99 but can still get it up like he’s 19 - and he fits all my other criteria? I’m IN THERE.lol you harlot
You didn’t want me to tell your real age, Fred?
But I said all that other great stuff about you.thank you thank you monies in our account now
I’ve already spent it on a new ball gag, honey. actually silence is golden
I didn’t say which one of us will be wearing it… because you already know.
Peanut gallery? He’s TRULY a fantastic specimen for 99 though. really let me look "
(He’s a little senile though.)
It’s okay, Fred |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
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Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life. |
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life. "
I'll be joining you in 22 days |
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Don't shave the years off op
It's getting a meet by deception
If I find someone's lied about age, I question everything else.
Concentrate on those who will meet you.
When you do a search there's a box you can tick for people who are looking for men your age. |
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It's due to people lying about their age that I lowered my age range. At first I was wanting to meet men 50 to 60 but ended up with men who were obviously well over 60 which is not what I wanted. After lowering my age range I discovered I actually like younger men so am now quite content. |
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life.
I'll be joining you in 22 days "
You'd be a perfect example once you hit you major birthday soon why people would be daft to make that limitation, as you are clearly have a Peter Pan DNA gene keeping you so youthful
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
Why is yours 65 argument because we can. Just as you put 35 because you can.
Is it because you see a beauty you want to fuck but cannot message due to age filters |
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life.
I'll be joining you in 22 days
You'd be a perfect example once you hit you major birthday soon why people would be daft to make that limitation, as you are clearly have a Peter Pan DNA gene keeping you so youthful
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Trust me, I don't which is why I wouldn't dream of altering my age. If people don't want me at 50 then so be it...there are plenty of others on the site who would. |
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By *TG3Man 47 weeks ago
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life.
I'll be joining you in 22 days
You'd be a perfect example once you hit you major birthday soon why people would be daft to make that limitation, as you are clearly have a Peter Pan DNA gene keeping you so youthful
Trust me, I don't which is why I wouldn't dream of altering my age. If people don't want me at 50 then so be it...there are plenty of others on the site who would." I want you |
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"It's due to people lying about their age that I lowered my age range. At first I was wanting to meet men 50 to 60 but ended up with men who were obviously well over 60 which is not what I wanted. After lowering my age range I discovered I actually like younger men so am now quite content."
I can only admire from afar now Bee, but fair enough if that’s what chancers and liars do. |
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life.
I'll be joining you in 22 days
You'd be a perfect example once you hit you major birthday soon why people would be daft to make that limitation, as you are clearly have a Peter Pan DNA gene keeping you so youthful
Trust me, I don't which is why I wouldn't dream of altering my age. If people don't want me at 50 then so be it...there are plenty of others on the site who would.I want you "
You really don't. I'm a nightmare |
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By *TG3Man 47 weeks ago
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"Everything is over for me on here in 2 hrs. 50 seems to be what I found everywhere. What can you do?
Haha. My phone changed it to HRS instead of Yrs. …. Fuck my life.
I'll be joining you in 22 days
You'd be a perfect example once you hit you major birthday soon why people would be daft to make that limitation, as you are clearly have a Peter Pan DNA gene keeping you so youthful
Trust me, I don't which is why I wouldn't dream of altering my age. If people don't want me at 50 then so be it...there are plenty of others on the site who would.I want you
You really don't. I'm a nightmare " lol |
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The other thing to remember OP is that men in most ages struggle on Fab. The sweet spot is probably 30-50, but that just means less difficult than under or over that age, it doesn't mean not difficult. |
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By *lder.Woman 47 weeks ago
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When a site is about box ticking, boxes are easier when in put into chunks of 5. Round up or round down. I did used to like being a rebel and setting my age range to odd numbers. A 37 to 63 would have done it. |
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"My cut off isn’t actually a cut off, it’s just to quash messages.
People have all sorts of reasons for their choice, some of which are not what what you’d think."
Yes. I also cut off messages in other ways, but I discovered quickly that if I set my filters to "would consider this age under some circumstances" rather than something tighter, I drowned in messages. |
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
Not sure about the increments of 5 but It’s simply statistics - if you plotted the number of people who have very active sex lives and are in the lifestyle it will fit in a normal distribution bell curve - your age and women/ couples that want to meet / match those ages are unfortunately on the descending curve, simply reducing in numbers as age increases. There are obviously outliers - young women who have a thing about older men for example. There are women and men who meet at 55, 60, 65 it’s just that there are fewer of them - it’s driven by the factors that are obvious - health issues, hormones, deteriorating self image or desire, lack of libido or just cannot be bothered any more.
You’re a good looking guy and I’d suggest some beneficial changes to your profile if you were asking advice but you’re not.. and I don’t want to get in trouble with the Mods |
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this.
Not sure about the increments of 5 but It’s simply statistics - if you plotted the number of people who have very active sex lives and are in the lifestyle it will fit in a normal distribution bell curve - your age and women/ couples that want to meet / match those ages are unfortunately on the descending curve, simply reducing in numbers as age increases. There are obviously outliers - young women who have a thing about older men for example. There are women and men who meet at 55, 60, 65 it’s just that there are fewer of them - it’s driven by the factors that are obvious - health issues, hormones, deteriorating self image or desire, lack of libido or just cannot be bothered any more.
You’re a good looking guy and I’d suggest some beneficial changes to your profile if you were asking advice but you’re not.. and I don’t want to get in trouble with the Mods "
Haha well all advice gratefully received re my profile ?? |
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this.
Not sure about the increments of 5 but It’s simply statistics - if you plotted the number of people who have very active sex lives and are in the lifestyle it will fit in a normal distribution bell curve - your age and women/ couples that want to meet / match those ages are unfortunately on the descending curve, simply reducing in numbers as age increases. There are obviously outliers - young women who have a thing about older men for example. There are women and men who meet at 55, 60, 65 it’s just that there are fewer of them - it’s driven by the factors that are obvious - health issues, hormones, deteriorating self image or desire, lack of libido or just cannot be bothered any more.
You’re a good looking guy and I’d suggest some beneficial changes to your profile if you were asking advice but you’re not.. and I don’t want to get in trouble with the Mods
Haha well all advice gratefully received re my profile ??"
I won’t give advice publicly so DM me - I’ll open up filters for your message |
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Age doesn't really mean much to us. We have met guys well into their 60s who are more fun and have better stamina than guys in their 20s. They could knock the ages off profiles as far as we're concerned we go off the pictures and personalty rather than age. |
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"As a relatively new member and possibly nievely putting my exact true age into my profile (I'm a spritely and youthful 57 btw) I'm blown away by the number of other users who choose '55'as their cut off range.
Okay I know you literally have to draw a line somewhere but I'm wondering if I need to loose a few years to squeeze back under the high bar.??
What do other people think. Perhaps I'm best leaving it as is, no offense will be taken ??"
You need to get into the clique OP, you'll but upto your balls in rampant clunge |
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By *weet6Woman 47 weeks ago
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I get cheesed off by all the youngsters trying to bypass my lower age limit with 'age is just a number', or 'but I only go for older women'....
Or my favourite, but I'm actually 47, my profile won't let me change it from [whatever it actually says]!!!
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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"I get cheesed off by all the youngsters trying to bypass my lower age limit with 'age is just a number', or 'but I only go for older women'....
Or my favourite, but I'm actually 47, my profile won't let me change it from [whatever it actually says]!!!
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This op. So so true of fab |
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"To be fair, you are seeking a mature woman of 39 +.. fab can be ironic at times.
Mrs "
I think many males are uncomfortable at setting too large an age gap to avoid any unfounded accusations of inappropriate age differences, I certainly am and if I did so then the debate might be to criticice anyone who did
I do understand that there are ladies who seek mature men too |
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"As a relatively new member and possibly nievely putting my exact true age into my profile (I'm a spritely and youthful 57 btw) I'm blown away by the number of other users who choose '55'as their cut off range.
Okay I know you literally have to draw a line somewhere but I'm wondering if I need to loose a few years to squeeze back under the high bar.??
What do other people think. Perhaps I'm best leaving it as is, no offense will be taken ??
You need to get into the clique OP, you'll but upto your balls in rampant clunge "
Haha well any Cliques feel free to contact me |
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"To be fair, you are seeking a mature woman of 39 +.. fab can be ironic at times.
Mrs
I think many males are uncomfortable at setting too large an age gap to avoid any unfounded accusations of inappropriate age differences, I certainly am and if I did so then the debate might be to criticice anyone who did
I do understand that there are ladies who seek mature men too"
I wouldn’t mind a women younger than me, but really don’t like idea of the ‘daddy’ shit that goes around.
Something a bit more grown up but recognising the age gap but not playing on it like that. |
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If you lie about your age and sleep with someone who you know wouldn’t sleep with you if they knew the truth, that’s technically consent obtained by deceit and therefore not valid consent.
Would you be happy having sex without consent that was valid? |
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Don’t look as age being an issue - like all other preferences, some will prefer a certain age, some won’t.
Focus on what you can work on, like your profile rather than use something as an excuse for not getting the interactions you expected after 3 weeks on the site!
I haven’t looked at your profile btw, but people who tend to use something to blame, it’s usually your profile that’s what’s restricting you.
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"To be fair, you are seeking a mature woman of 39 +.. fab can be ironic at times.
Mrs
I think many males are uncomfortable at setting too large an age gap to avoid any unfounded accusations of inappropriate age differences, I certainly am and if I did so then the debate might be to criticice anyone who did
I do understand that there are ladies who seek mature men too"
I'm extremely comfortable at not setting a large age gap and it has fuck all to do with other people's perception.
I'm not attracted to young women of a similar age to my daughters so therefore I won't waste my time chatting to them and that's why my lower age limit will always change every year to keep in line with my age and those of my kids. |
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I've seen some great valid and articulate replies and others by people who didn't read all the thread and taken it off at a tangent.
So for those who might have missed the flow I am NOT changing me age or advocating anyone else should. Blimey |
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"I've seen some great valid and articulate replies and others by people who didn't read all the thread and taken it off at a tangent.
So for those who might have missed the flow I am NOT changing me age or advocating anyone else should. Blimey "
You started with..
"possibly nievely putting my exact true age into my profile (I'm a spritely and youthful 57 btw) "
Saying you naively put your exact age into profile suggests you regret not lying, it’s a fair assumption that many have made.
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"If you lie about your age and sleep with someone who you know wouldn’t sleep with you if they knew the truth, that’s technically consent obtained by deceit and therefore not valid consent.
Would you be happy having sex without consent that was valid?"
This, it starts to slide into very VERY dodgy territory.
Right now, OP, the only problem I can see with your profile is you have that nonsense and Sydney University. Instant vagina-dryer for me |
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By *orny-DJMan 47 weeks ago
Leigh-on-Sea |
"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
Because that's what they feel comfortable with |
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Lying on your profile to get around people's preferences is a top tier dick move imo. But you have got me wondering what else on your profile could be abit of a truth stretch.
There will be loads of people here who welcome your age group.
Most of the cut offs are just because you have to choose something or you end up with ages you wouldn't consider. Ours is set at 45, we'd consider upto 55 but we choose the 45-55 ourselves and message them first. |
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Dishonesty is repulsive whilst individuals know their own tastes in sexual partners very well. Don't repulse people when you can use your energy to find the actual people who want someone like you |
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Have you checked how old the people are who are calling their range at 55?
I’m 47. I started 10 years either side but had lots of messages from people who looked older than my dad. Thought 5 years each side was a bit slim so settled on 7 below and 8 above. That’s my reasoning and I move my age range as I get older. Many people have said they don’t so may also be that. |
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"OP your cut off is 65, which is not that much older than you. If you think about why that is, maybe other people have similar reasons for their upper age limit "
I think everyone should go up to 99. But not a day older! |
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I don't lie about my age I'm more than comfortable with it. Folks often think I'm younger but that's beside the point.
I guess some folks see my age and write me off but that's entirely up to them. |
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By *reya73Woman 47 weeks ago
Whitley Bay |
Op, many of us have dropped off the age filters for different reasons.
As I get older, my younger filter shifts but my older one does too.
See who is available to you and cherish them.
Filters are a way to start online.
When meeting people in the flesh at clubs or at socials, you may find things are different.
We get older.
People have their reasons and preferences.
Flow with it. I hope you found some wisdom in the thread to encourage you. |
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"I am not surprised you have not had any issues with a body like you have.
You put younger men to shame.
Pity people do not look after themselves more.
It might save the NHS money and time."
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"I was being slightly ironic when suggesting I adjust my age. The key topic was why do people choose 55 as the cut off. It's as if human nature is people only work in units of 5.
I won't change it...I'm not into deceipt for those who mentioned this."
I think there's some truth in this. I set my work alarm for 630, never 629 or 631. When I stay in bed after it I'll be there till 640. |
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Lol true that. I had a couple say to me in a club what are you about 34/35. Yeah that will do
Much like sexuality , makes no difference if you’re gay / bi whatever in a club.. as it never gets asked in my experience . |
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