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"How are we defining God? I strongly agree that it exists by my definition. " It’s a tricky word. It can mean lots of different things to different people. Can you give your definition? | |||
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"Say whether you Agree Strongly, Agree, Agree slightly, Are neutral, disagree slightly, disagree, or disagree strongly with the claim in the title. Give reasons for your opinion. " Does it matter? Personally, I do. Purely because I want to! I am of Jewish Origin, I always say I am not a Jew, Just JewISh!! as I am very Ishy as I eat pork and shellfish (non Kosher), fuck Gentiles and work on a Saturday, All naughty un-allowed things in Judaism. But in religious terms, I am a spiritualist, As I hate any religion who says "God loves everyone" then goes on to say you can ONLY go to heaven if you are their religion! I like having faith in a higher being, a creator! But accept that it is an inner faith I have and It is OK to be a none believer. But I do have to say, Swinging and religion do not bode well together. | |||
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"How are we defining God? I strongly agree that it exists by my definition. It’s a tricky word. It can mean lots of different things to different people. Can you give your definition? " The best I can do is to say that God is our 'self', it's not external it's within us. It's not a divine all seeing power. | |||
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"When you say “God”, which God you talking about? Theirs been thousands throughout human history" Any one (or more) that you want | |||
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"It seems that many people feel that god and religion are the same. That's quite interesting to me because religion is a man made thing" God could be too! | |||
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"He does and his name is Alan Shearer and St James's Park is the church " Do you believe in the resurrection?  | |||
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"People worship different gods mostly dependent upon where they or their parents were born. The one true god that we all share and is proven to give life is the sun, and we worship that God, usually by laying naked before it. " I worship that god without sun and water no plants no life | |||
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"When you say “God”, which God you talking about? Theirs been thousands throughout human history Any one (or more) that you want " Well I’m an atheist/nihilist. Don’t believe in any God. But I acknowledge that my capacity for knowledge & understanding is limited coz I’m human. The Greek Pantheon seems to make the most sense.
An Avengers team of God’s who’s primary source of entertainment is our misfortune.
Why does evil prosper & goodness is never rewarded?
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As for turning bottles of water into wine. Fairly sure, he/she would of sold his/her patent to Budweiser by now.....Oh maybe he has. | |||
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"It seems that many people feel that god and religion are the same. That's quite interesting to me because religion is a man made thing God could be too! " Yep. You know that but in the bible that says 'god created man in his own image'? I think it's the wrong way round and should say 'man created god in his own image'. | |||
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"He does and his name is Alan Shearer and St James's Park is the church Do you believe in the resurrection? "I believe in a erection | |||
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"Say whether you Agree Strongly, Agree, Agree slightly, Are neutral, disagree slightly, disagree, or disagree strongly with the claim in the title. Give reasons for your opinion. " Which one there are thousands? | |||
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"When you say “God”, which God you talking about? Theirs been thousands throughout human history" My thoughts exactly. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary " Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary " Maybe it was a Pascal’s wager thing? Or maybe just wanted to talk through the arrangements of the funeral with someone that had lots of experience at doing them? | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances " Possibly | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Maybe it was a Pascal’s wager thing? Or maybe just wanted to talk through the arrangements of the funeral with someone that had lots of experience at doing them? " Maybe it was the Pascal's Wager principle. The thing is she actually lived her life by Christian principles despite not believing in any god or religion. I often used to say that she was more Christian than most Christians  | |||
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"Agnostic. So is that classed as neutral? Not sure it is " It depends on which type of agnostic you are! Strong or weak? Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist? | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances " I think we all might feel like that when push comes to shove | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances " I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born? | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Maybe it was a Pascal’s wager thing? Or maybe just wanted to talk through the arrangements of the funeral with someone that had lots of experience at doing them? Maybe it was the Pascal's Wager principle. The thing is she actually lived her life by Christian principles despite not believing in any god or religion. I often used to say that she was more Christian than most Christians "If you agree with the historian Tom Holland, everyone in the west is actually a Christian. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?" She did. As I said above she was what people would call a 'good woman 'if she had £100 she'd give £75 of it away | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Maybe it was a Pascal’s wager thing? Or maybe just wanted to talk through the arrangements of the funeral with someone that had lots of experience at doing them? Maybe it was the Pascal's Wager principle. The thing is she actually lived her life by Christian principles despite not believing in any god or religion. I often used to say that she was more Christian than most Christians
If you agree with the historian Tom Holland, everyone in the west is actually a Christian.
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?" very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life | |||
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"I was hoping this was a post from EssexTom "Ahaha
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I think we all might feel like that when push comes to shove" Nope i will die hopefully in my sleep | |||
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"Agnostic. So is that classed as neutral? Not sure it is It depends on which type of agnostic you are! Strong or weak? Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist? " I don’t know. I wouldn’t say atheist. I just cannot believe in something without proof. I wish I could as I do sometimes envy people who have a faith and the beliefs and calmness it can bring. I’m the same with most things. Im way too pragmatic I think. | |||
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"Agnostic. So is that classed as neutral? Not sure it is It depends on which type of agnostic you are! Strong or weak? Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist? I don’t know. I wouldn’t say atheist. I just cannot believe in something without proof. I wish I could as I do sometimes envy people who have a faith and the beliefs and calmness it can bring. I’m the same with most things. Im way too pragmatic I think. " Pragmatic agnosticism is a thing too. Let’s put you down as that! | |||
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"Agnostic. So is that classed as neutral? Not sure it is It depends on which type of agnostic you are! Strong or weak? Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist? I don’t know. I wouldn’t say atheist. I just cannot believe in something without proof. I wish I could as I do sometimes envy people who have a faith and the beliefs and calmness it can bring. I’m the same with most things. Im way too pragmatic I think. Pragmatic agnosticism is a thing too. Let’s put you down as that! "Yes! That is definitely me | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life "That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven "but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves. | |||
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"I was hoping this was a post from EssexTom
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"It's all over the news""Nooo it all over the place and them bells are ringing... Anyone worshiping sex only my fuckin religion | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves. "They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religion | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religion"Some people just are weak and lazy though. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though. "That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? | |||
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"The Holley bible is a fantastic story 2024 years latter and book sales are still good but sorry to say when the light goes out that's the end after life is just a mith to make you feel better for the ones you have lost what kind of a god causes missarey by taking the lives of the ones we love " we have a shelf life just like food, you live so long and you expire | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? "Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point? | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point? "I don’t think there is universal consensus as to what the best life looks like. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point?
I don’t think there is universal consensus as to what the best life looks like. "True again but i don't think laziness was ever considered as an acceptable way to survive, think back to the early days of human existence and then apply lazy | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point?
I don’t think there is universal consensus as to what the best life looks like. True again but i don't think laziness was ever considered as an acceptable way to survive, think back to the early days of human existence and then apply lazy "You’ve convinced me. On that note, I’d better get on with my day. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point?
I don’t think there is universal consensus as to what the best life looks like. True again but i don't think laziness was ever considered as an acceptable way to survive, think back to the early days of human existence and then apply lazy
You’ve convinced me. On that note, I’d better get on with my day.
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point? "Maybe that's their way of making the best of life. We don't all have the same drives/interests. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though. "Yes they are. Some people are strong and hard working and some are in between. Some people fitting a certain description isn't proof that all people do. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point?
I don’t think there is universal consensus as to what the best life looks like. True again but i don't think laziness was ever considered as an acceptable way to survive, think back to the early days of human existence and then apply lazy "If we go back to the earliest days of human existence it's possible that the women did the majority of the work in the form of gathering food, building shelter, bearing and caring for children etc and men laid around until it was time to hunt. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves.
They keep us all in line now by division and portraying the poor and disadvsntaged as weak and lazy. As many people are falling for that as fall for religionSome people just are weak and lazy though.
That maybe true, or maybe they have different values from you? Well true but laziness is a waste of life, we aren't here that long make the best of life otherwise whats the point?
Maybe that's their way of making the best of life. We don't all have the same drives/interests."My example of looking back in time and applying lazy to life it wouldn't work, laziness is a waste of life if you were lazy back then you died and in a way they have died they certainly aren't living. | |||
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"I don't do religion, but, how do we explain premonitions and the like? "Humans are capable of far more than they think they are | |||
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"I don't do religion, but, how do we explain premonitions and the like? "Which premonitions? Have any ever been proven to be real? That would be a start | |||
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"We only use 10% of our celebral capacity who knows what would happen if we could tap into the other 90% "To be honest Fred and I'd be happy if I could use 5% of mine | |||
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"We only use 10% of our celebral capacity who knows what would happen if we could tap into the other 90%
To be honest Fred and I'd be happy if I could use 5% of mine "lol hey you do ok | |||
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Humans are capable of far more than they think they are"True. But how does it happen? I don't think anyone has come up with a concrete answer yet, although I'd love to know. The reason I ask this is I had a premonition about 9/11. It was so frightening, I told my wife when I awoke. Three days later, and there's thousands dead. I can't find a fact base reason for why I would have such a thing.  | |||
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"How are we defining God? I strongly agree that it exists by my definition. It’s a tricky word. It can mean lots of different things to different people. Can you give your definition? The best I can do is to say that God is our 'self', it's not external it's within us. It's not a divine all seeing power. " My lady of the forum moderation Your heavenly that's for sure . | |||
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"I don't do religion, but, how do we explain premonitions and the like?
Humans are capable of far more than they think they are
True. But how does it happen? I don't think anyone has come up with a concrete answer yet, although I'd love to know.
The reason I ask this is I had a premonition about 9/11. It was so frightening, I told my wife when I awoke. Three days later, and there's thousands dead. I can't find a fact base reason for why I would have such a thing. "Blimey that's scary. I don't know how premonitions occur but I do believe they happen. People will say it's coincidence, your recall is flawed or your mind is playing tricks on you. Darren Brown is sure to be mentioned. I don't have the answers though | |||
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"How are we defining God? I strongly agree that it exists by my definition. It’s a tricky word. It can mean lots of different things to different people. Can you give your definition? The best I can do is to say that God is our 'self', it's not external it's within us. It's not a divine all seeing power. My lady of the forum moderation Your heavenly that's for sure ." You're too kind | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates..." But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute"." That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics " if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute"." So a repentant murderer gets through but a non believer, who's tenet is well being goes to hell forever. Is there nothing more obvious that it's man made! | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow "like a black friday deal that goes on forever | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow like a black friday deal that goes on forever " | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow like a black friday deal that goes on forever
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow like a black friday deal that goes on forever
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"I was just saying to Mr S. the Old Testament’s fun because Yahweh is basically an angry toddler. Throwing tantrums. In his sandbox. If you see it as anything other than amusing, though… "
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow like a black friday deal that goes on forever
Good morning Faith hows your head?
Stop telling people I drink, Fred.
It’s strictly hippie dr*gs over here. "exactly how is your head...... Paranoid...... Schizophrenia.... Delusions of grandure etc etc etc | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow like a black friday deal that goes on forever
Good morning Faith hows your head?
Stop telling people I drink, Fred.
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". That sounds like a trick… I mean if there was that kind of god, why would it be so desperate for you to change your mind “last minute”? It sounds like pressure salesman tactics if you don't take up this offer of believing in me today it will not be available tomorrow like a black friday deal that goes on forever
Good morning Faith hows your head?
Stop telling people I drink, Fred.
It’s strictly hippie dr*gs over here. exactly how is your head...... Paranoid...... Schizophrenia.... Delusions of grandure etc etc etc
Hey, what’ve you got against the hippies?
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". So a repentant murderer gets through but a non believer, who's tenet is well being goes to hell forever. Is there nothing more obvious that it's man made!" It’s almost as if religion is really about power and control. | |||
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"Pascal's Wager only works with two major caveats that go against logic in this scenario. * That being converted means you are saving yourself from that hell, but not thought about all the hells in the competing religions... * That the God you now believe in can't see your last minute changing of sides and thinks thats ok to get you through the gates... But, certainly in Christianity, we are told God welcomes a repentant sinner even if the repentance is "last minute". So a repentant murderer gets through but a non believer, who's tenet is well being goes to hell forever. Is there nothing more obvious that it's man made! It’s almost as if religion is really about power and control." Hmmmm, now there's an idea lol  | |||
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" It’s almost as if religion is really about power and control." Now that’s just silly talk, sometimes I wonder where people get their ideas from. | |||
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"Not a wealth of evidence that any of the thousands of Gods exist. So, no" Maybe that's because we haven't been able to find the evidence yet. Take medicine for example - no one believed tiny organisms could cause infection until Robert Hooke and Antoni van Leeuwenhoek discovered microorganisms in the 17th century and Robert Koch worked out some of them were nasty in the 19th century. That doesn't mean that bacteria didn't exist, just there was 'no evidence' for them prior to that. | |||
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"Not a wealth of evidence that any of the thousands of Gods exist. So, no Maybe that's because we haven't been able to find the evidence yet. Take medicine for example - no one believed tiny organisms could cause infection until Robert Hooke and Antoni van Leeuwenhoek discovered microorganisms in the 17th century and Robert Koch worked out some of them were nasty in the 19th century. That doesn't mean that bacteria didn't exist, just there was 'no evidence' for them prior to that." Ah, so the fact that we haven’t been able to find evidence for the existence of any of the thousands of gods means that they exist? | |||
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"Not a wealth of evidence that any of the thousands of Gods exist. So, no Maybe that's because we haven't been able to find the evidence yet. Take medicine for example - no one believed tiny organisms could cause infection until Robert Hooke and Antoni van Leeuwenhoek discovered microorganisms in the 17th century and Robert Koch worked out some of them were nasty in the 19th century. That doesn't mean that bacteria didn't exist, just there was 'no evidence' for them prior to that." I think this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how evidence works. There were presumably clues as to the existence of bacteria - the ways in which people became ill around one another or after consuming a common source of food or water. That there was something about the air or the food/ water that made them sick. They just had to find out what. Whether it was the Hippocratic ideas of humours in climate or innate human climates, a transmissible form of sin (miasma), or microorganisms. Evidence is cumulative. We never start with nothing. | |||
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"I was just saying to Mr S. the Old Testament’s fun because Yahweh is basically an angry toddler. Throwing tantrums. In his sandbox. If you see it as anything other than amusing, though…
I do think that people would rather have an abusive petulant daddy figure than have to figure shit out on their own."Not everyone can have the Daddy the really want I guess. | |||
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"Not a wealth of evidence that any of the thousands of Gods exist. So, no Maybe that's because we haven't been able to find the evidence yet. Take medicine for example - no one believed tiny organisms could cause infection until Robert Hooke and Antoni van Leeuwenhoek discovered microorganisms in the 17th century and Robert Koch worked out some of them were nasty in the 19th century. That doesn't mean that bacteria didn't exist, just there was 'no evidence' for them prior to that. Ah, so the fact that we haven’t been able to find evidence for the existence of any of the thousands of gods means that they exist?" No, just that they might exist and we haven't seen the evidence yet. Perhaps they are really good at tidying up after themselves. | |||
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"I was just saying to Mr S. the Old Testament’s fun because Yahweh is basically an angry toddler. Throwing tantrums. In his sandbox. If you see it as anything other than amusing, though…
I do think that people would rather have an abusive petulant daddy figure than have to figure shit out on their own.
Not everyone can have the Daddy the really want I guess."But we can all be the Daddy we need for ourselves. | |||
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"Oh no he doesn't "Spoilsport. You probably don’t even believe in fairies. | |||
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"I was just saying to Mr S. the Old Testament’s fun because Yahweh is basically an angry toddler. Throwing tantrums. In his sandbox. If you see it as anything other than amusing, though…
I do think that people would rather have an abusive petulant daddy figure than have to figure shit out on their own.
Not everyone can have the Daddy the really want I guess.
But we can all be the Daddy we need for ourselves."I can’t spank myself hard enough… | |||
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"I was just saying to Mr S. the Old Testament’s fun because Yahweh is basically an angry toddler. Throwing tantrums. In his sandbox. If you see it as anything other than amusing, though…
I do think that people would rather have an abusive petulant daddy figure than have to figure shit out on their own.
Not everyone can have the Daddy the really want I guess.
But we can all be the Daddy we need for ourselves.
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"God doth exist For he sent me An Angel " I was just a little bit sick in my mouth reading that. The earth is over 4 billion years old and we as humans have only been on this rock for over two million years so evolution over fairy tales because the oldens needed reasons. So strongly disagree in the existence of a god of any kind. But if it helps get you through then I respect your view. T | |||
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"Not a wealth of evidence that any of the thousands of Gods exist. So, no Maybe that's because we haven't been able to find the evidence yet. Take medicine for example - no one believed tiny organisms could cause infection until Robert Hooke and Antoni van Leeuwenhoek discovered microorganisms in the 17th century and Robert Koch worked out some of them were nasty in the 19th century. That doesn't mean that bacteria didn't exist, just there was 'no evidence' for them prior to that." Science works based on falsifiable facts. If someone says microbes are responsible for diseases, it can be falsified by theory or observations. God, on the other hand is an unfalsifiable idea. No matter what happens, we can always claim a presence of an entity that's outside our reach. Science can lay claims about observable universe only. Someone can always say that there is a God outside our observable universe. The idea of God can never be falsified. It is up to the individuals to decide whether they want to believe or not. | |||
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"My aunt was a life long non believer until she was dying. She asked to see a minister from the church of England and told him that she didn't believe in god but she wanted him to conduct her funeral service, which he did. They discussed faith and religion beforehand and he obviously respected her views but I had a hard time then and still do, understanding how she managed to maintain her disbelief while still wanting a religious ceremony. Maybe she just wasn't sure or perhaps she felt the need of an intermediary Its that age old problem that they've drummed into us from birth, their is an afterlife, their isnt but thats what she felt so she didn't take any chances I always find it interesting that people are concerned about what happens to them when they die but they never seem to think about what they are doing before they were born?very true its because we are indoctrinated with afterlife heaven and hell and no mention of before life
That's because in order to keep the bulk of the population 'in their place' it was necessary to get them to believe that suffering in this life and living by a certain set of restrictive rules was required in order to gain admittance to heaven and the rewards that waited there. How else could you get the majority of the population to live like they did in medieval Britain or Victorian London while the church had riches beyond belief and a tiny section of the population lived in luxury and comfort unless it was because they truly believed that it was so they could gain access to heaven but surely thats how we live now a tiny proportion have wealth that they dont need while some have enough to get by, i think history has taught us that war brings power to some and death to others and that powerful minds become the leaders, the belief in god and that he created our planet was created by a powerful mind and it did keep people for 1000s of years believing that something more exists in death otherwise how could they create the armies to fight the wars, which of course made those with powerful minds wealthy. Everything has a natural progression, one thing dies another lives, humans will ultimately iradicate themselves. "That’s dark, Fred. True. But dark. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? "Appeal to the stoner. Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool. We're smarter than that | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
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Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? "Nope, the proton waterfall created it, all natural processes. The EVIDENCE is out there for those who actually want to look. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned "I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all. | |||
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"Strongly disagree. It’s a made up story book." this | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all."I think I did, it depends how you see it as too. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too."It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid."Non belivers have a long spiritual path to go to realise it. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid.Non belivers have a long spiritual path to go to realise it."I don't want to go on a path that makes me reject evidence and not look for answers because I can think like a stoner instead. But thank you. | |||
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"I will simply defer to Stephen frys take on God. If you don't know it, you can find it on YouTube " I quite like that as it refers specifically to the Christian god, but I prefer to be more ecumenical in my rejection of the premise of gods. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid."I don’t think belief by itself is a bad thing. If I choose to believe in the tooth fairy, and I’m not hurting anyone - party on. It’s people invoking said “higher authority” and “God is on our side” to justify everything from micro aggressions to atrocities that I take issue with. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this? "What was it again Shag, 7 days? | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid.
I don’t think belief by itself is a bad thing.
If I choose to believe in the tooth fairy, and I’m not hurting anyone - party on.
It’s people invoking said “higher authority” and “God is on our side” to justify everything from micro aggressions to atrocities that I take issue with.
"I have no issue with belief in and of itself. I think "this is too complicated to be created by chance" is unsophisticated and unhelpful. It inhibits working out where things came from and is full of logical absurdities. At its extreme - I'm not saying this is it - saying "this subject is immune from the usual rules of evidence" leads to absurdities at best. I actually think it's the breakdown of everything our society has built - we observe, we test, we check. I mean sure, believe the flower is radical and God made it, whatever. But saying that no further thought is possible because radical... not cool. Imagine what might be possible if we could work out the mechanisms of why that flower does what it does, where it comes from, why x and not y. What we might develop, understand, preserve. What good does it do to go "therefore higher power that is immune from questioning"? | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid.
I don’t think belief by itself is a bad thing.
If I choose to believe in the tooth fairy, and I’m not hurting anyone - party on.
It’s people invoking said “higher authority” and “God is on our side” to justify everything from micro aggressions to atrocities that I take issue with.
I have no issue with belief in and of itself.
I think "this is too complicated to be created by chance" is unsophisticated and unhelpful. It inhibits working out where things came from and is full of logical absurdities.
At its extreme - I'm not saying this is it - saying "this subject is immune from the usual rules of evidence" leads to absurdities at best. I actually think it's the breakdown of everything our society has built - we observe, we test, we check.
I mean sure, believe the flower is radical and God made it, whatever. But saying that no further thought is possible because radical... not cool.
Imagine what might be possible if we could work out the mechanisms of why that flower does what it does, where it comes from, why x and not y. What we might develop, understand, preserve.
What good does it do to go "therefore higher power that is immune from questioning"?"I think that philosophy is by design, and it’s used by people who want to brainwash other people. And has historically been very effective. | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid.
I don’t think belief by itself is a bad thing.
If I choose to believe in the tooth fairy, and I’m not hurting anyone - party on.
It’s people invoking said “higher authority” and “God is on our side” to justify everything from micro aggressions to atrocities that I take issue with.
I have no issue with belief in and of itself.
I think "this is too complicated to be created by chance" is unsophisticated and unhelpful. It inhibits working out where things came from and is full of logical absurdities.
At its extreme - I'm not saying this is it - saying "this subject is immune from the usual rules of evidence" leads to absurdities at best. I actually think it's the breakdown of everything our society has built - we observe, we test, we check.
I mean sure, believe the flower is radical and God made it, whatever. But saying that no further thought is possible because radical... not cool.
Imagine what might be possible if we could work out the mechanisms of why that flower does what it does, where it comes from, why x and not y. What we might develop, understand, preserve.
What good does it do to go "therefore higher power that is immune from questioning"?
I think that philosophy is by design, and it’s used by people who want to brainwash other people. And has historically been very effective."Which is why I push back so hard. "This flower is awesome, wow, nature is great" - amazing, you do you. "Therefore only my answer is right and you spiritually poor minions need to stop thinking" - go shove it up your arse. You know? | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid.
I don’t think belief by itself is a bad thing.
If I choose to believe in the tooth fairy, and I’m not hurting anyone - party on.
It’s people invoking said “higher authority” and “God is on our side” to justify everything from micro aggressions to atrocities that I take issue with.
I have no issue with belief in and of itself.
I think "this is too complicated to be created by chance" is unsophisticated and unhelpful. It inhibits working out where things came from and is full of logical absurdities.
At its extreme - I'm not saying this is it - saying "this subject is immune from the usual rules of evidence" leads to absurdities at best. I actually think it's the breakdown of everything our society has built - we observe, we test, we check.
I mean sure, believe the flower is radical and God made it, whatever. But saying that no further thought is possible because radical... not cool.
Imagine what might be possible if we could work out the mechanisms of why that flower does what it does, where it comes from, why x and not y. What we might develop, understand, preserve.
What good does it do to go "therefore higher power that is immune from questioning"?
I think that philosophy is by design, and it’s used by people who want to brainwash other people. And has historically been very effective.
Which is why I push back so hard.
"This flower is awesome, wow, nature is great" - amazing, you do you.
"Therefore only my answer is right and you spiritually poor minions need to stop thinking" - go shove it up your arse.
You know?"Yes. The philosopher that I like best is Spinoza. He said that God was nature. And that we shouldn’t live our lives in “worshipful awe.” | |||
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"I also agree with that it exists and that there are a higher power. The knowing of a higher power created all this, here is little tips, go out in the beautiful summer nature and pic a flower or 2 and then look very carefully on this flower and study the colours and at the same time ask this question, can this have happened by a slump? Or take the human body with all the complicated organs and functions, the ears, the eyes and the stomach, why not the sexual urges, did the slump create all this?
Appeal to the stoner.
Oh man, this shit is totally cool, I dunno how it could have been done, radical man, way too cool.
We're smarter than that Yes, our lives was already planned
I'm not sure if you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it at all.I think I did, it depends how you see it as too.
It's pretty clear that I see it as a ridiculous idea, and anyone who takes it seriously has a) not given it enough thought, b) is off their face, c) is a child, or d) is stupid.
I don’t think belief by itself is a bad thing.
If I choose to believe in the tooth fairy, and I’m not hurting anyone - party on.
It’s people invoking said “higher authority” and “God is on our side” to justify everything from micro aggressions to atrocities that I take issue with.
I have no issue with belief in and of itself.
I think "this is too complicated to be created by chance" is unsophisticated and unhelpful. It inhibits working out where things came from and is full of logical absurdities.
At its extreme - I'm not saying this is it - saying "this subject is immune from the usual rules of evidence" leads to absurdities at best. I actually think it's the breakdown of everything our society has built - we observe, we test, we check.
I mean sure, believe the flower is radical and God made it, whatever. But saying that no further thought is possible because radical... not cool.
Imagine what might be possible if we could work out the mechanisms of why that flower does what it does, where it comes from, why x and not y. What we might develop, understand, preserve.
What good does it do to go "therefore higher power that is immune from questioning"?
I think that philosophy is by design, and it’s used by people who want to brainwash other people. And has historically been very effective.
Which is why I push back so hard.
"This flower is awesome, wow, nature is great" - amazing, you do you.
"Therefore only my answer is right and you spiritually poor minions need to stop thinking" - go shove it up your arse.
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Yes.
The philosopher that I like best is Spinoza. He said that God was nature. And that we shouldn’t live our lives in “worshipful awe.”"I draw inspiration from indigenous Australian spirituality - pretty loosely - and think about a symbiotic relationship with nature. We all look after one another, and the hopes and dreams of our past, present and future are tied up in the landscape, the animals, the weather. We all look after one another. (There's more to it, but I pretty blatantly pick and choose my own morality and make no apologies for it. In this case - we can't survive without nature in any form, my respect springs from that basic fact. The rainbow serpent is cool, but I don't believe it. And I suppose we do continue to write an ongoing story of humanity, but I wouldn't call that belief in the Dreaming) | |||
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"Say whether you Agree Strongly, Agree, Agree slightly, Are neutral, disagree slightly, disagree, or disagree strongly with the claim in the title. Give reasons for your opinion. " Many people of many religions believe in a God. God sits in Heaven. If there's Heaven, there's Hell. "My" religions says follow me and go to Heaven, don't and you'll go to Hell. As all religions suggest similar, clearly no-one is going to Heaven and everyone's going to Hell. God must be real lonely up there on his own. | |||
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"I don’t believe in a creator. There’s no evidence for such, and plenty of evidence to dispute it - however I realised something in recent years and it was a bit strange that I’d never thought it before - If someone believes in a higher power, and that strength gets them through the day, allows them to perform to their best, or to find peace, make decisions etc - if their belief is that strong, then to them God does exist because they created him/her/it within themselves. And consequently the existence of a ‘real’ god is irrelevant " Faith in itself is a fascinating thing, and it does much good but there's always a 'but' with us humans.. | |||
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"I don’t believe in a creator. There’s no evidence for such, and plenty of evidence to dispute it - however I realised something in recent years and it was a bit strange that I’d never thought it before - If someone believes in a higher power, and that strength gets them through the day, allows them to perform to their best, or to find peace, make decisions etc - if their belief is that strong, then to them God does exist because they created him/her/it within themselves. And consequently the existence of a ‘real’ god is irrelevant Faith in itself is a fascinating thing, and it does much good but there's always a 'but' with us humans.." Yes i agree Faith is fascinating | |||
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"I don’t believe in a creator. There’s no evidence for such, and plenty of evidence to dispute it - however I realised something in recent years and it was a bit strange that I’d never thought it before - If someone believes in a higher power, and that strength gets them through the day, allows them to perform to their best, or to find peace, make decisions etc - if their belief is that strong, then to them God does exist because they created him/her/it within themselves. And consequently the existence of a ‘real’ god is irrelevant Faith in itself is a fascinating thing, and it does much good but there's always a 'but' with us humans..Yes i agree Faith is fascinating "Not that Faith, honestly.. | |||
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"I don’t believe in a creator. There’s no evidence for such, and plenty of evidence to dispute it - however I realised something in recent years and it was a bit strange that I’d never thought it before - If someone believes in a higher power, and that strength gets them through the day, allows them to perform to their best, or to find peace, make decisions etc - if their belief is that strong, then to them God does exist because they created him/her/it within themselves. And consequently the existence of a ‘real’ god is irrelevant Faith in itself is a fascinating thing, and it does much good but there's always a 'but' with us humans..Yes i agree Faith is fascinating
Not that Faith, honestly.. "lol | |||
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"I don’t believe in a creator. There’s no evidence for such, and plenty of evidence to dispute it - however I realised something in recent years and it was a bit strange that I’d never thought it before - If someone believes in a higher power, and that strength gets them through the day, allows them to perform to their best, or to find peace, make decisions etc - if their belief is that strong, then to them God does exist because they created him/her/it within themselves. And consequently the existence of a ‘real’ god is irrelevant " Like for AA, they talk about a “higher power” which could be anything. Or people in prison who “find god” and decide to reform themselves. I have compassion for this. | |||
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"I don’t believe in a creator. There’s no evidence for such, and plenty of evidence to dispute it - however I realised something in recent years and it was a bit strange that I’d never thought it before - If someone believes in a higher power, and that strength gets them through the day, allows them to perform to their best, or to find peace, make decisions etc - if their belief is that strong, then to them God does exist because they created him/her/it within themselves. And consequently the existence of a ‘real’ god is irrelevant Faith in itself is a fascinating thing, and it does much good but there's always a 'but' with us humans..Yes i agree Faith is fascinating
Not that Faith, honestly.. "Ooh, I love you too xx | |||
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