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Capital Punishment by Nitogen

By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Law Enforcers in Alabama, which is a State in the US. Is about to use Nitrogen to kill a death row inmate.,.. some ay it's an experiment and some say it's a gentle release. Should this method be used. It has worked on mice. It's all over...

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By *atnip make me purrWoman over a year ago

Reading

I dont agree with the death penalty full stop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If it’s painless, sure why not

If someone’s been proven to be guilty of crimes that we deem irredeemable, I don’t think it makes sense to keep paying for their existence

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

The death penalty is abhorrent.

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By *izzibeth9Couple over a year ago

Loughborough

Problem is there's plenty of examples where convictions have been overturned, meaning people have been wrongly convinced.

Bit tricky to remedy that when you've killed them.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I dont agree with the death penalty full stop."

Same! Barbaric! X

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By * and R cple4Couple over a year ago

swansea

"Problem is there's plenty of examples where convictions have been overturned, meaning people have been wrongly convinced.

Bit tricky to remedy that when you've killed them. "

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

No problem whatsoever. Reading what he did to his victims I have zero sympathy.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances.

The state should not have the power to decide who lives or dies.

And when they do, occasionally they get it wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t think he gave a fuck about the suffering he inflicted on his victims. Even if it goes terribly wrong, gets no sympathy from me.

We should have capital punishment in the UK. Far too many murderers and sex offenders sat in our jails costing us a fortune.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Now the thread is not about views on the death penalty it's about the method. Previously this person was taken to be killed but they could not find a vein to inject him. Hence this time they plan to use a mask..... This method allegedly has not been used so nobody knows how it will pan out

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

Barbaric deaths for Barbaric people but are you absolutely sure they did it?

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"Now the thread is not about views on the death penalty it's about the method. Previously this person was taken to be killed but they could not find a vein to inject him. Hence this time they plan to use a mask..... This method allegedly has not been used so nobody knows how it will pan out"

Hopefully painfully with the final result being death.

In a country that seems to specialise in mass shootings/murders they dont half seem to struggle killing someone legally. The noose or the guillotine would be cheaper and quicker.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Slowly releasing nitrogen into his, body starving him of oxygen. As they were not able to trace a vein. I am not phased he did wrong. Slow painful ending

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Americans seem to go to a great deal of effort to make their executions as painless as possible. It’s very odd.

Just develop a really heavy, reliable guillotine. Then get to work creating accommodation vacancies in prison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Slowly releasing nitrogen into his, body starving him of oxygen. As they were not able to trace a vein. I am not phased he did wrong. Slow painful ending "

I’m 99% sure it’s painless. You fall asleep before you can experience anything. A peaceful way to go

I don’t see the point in adding pain to the death penalty

It’s used to rid the world of people we don’t need. Not as some torture method

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan over a year ago

A den in the Glen

"Problem is there's plenty of examples where convictions have been overturned, meaning people have been wrongly convinced.

Bit tricky to remedy that when you've killed them. "

I'm here^ I would gladly release a slower, more agonizing gas onto someone who has r@ped a child.

But you are never 100% sure of a correct conviction.

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By *a LunaWoman over a year ago

South Wales

Isn’t it essentially death by suffocation? I can’t imagine it to be a peaceful way to go.

Although I appreciate their demise is probably not meant to be peaceful.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn’t it essentially death by suffocation? I can’t imagine it to be a peaceful way to go.

Although I appreciate their demise is probably not meant to be peaceful. "

Starved of oxygen slowly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn’t it essentially death by suffocation? I can’t imagine it to be a peaceful way to go.

Although I appreciate their demise is probably not meant to be peaceful. "

Not suffocation. Suffocation is painful

Hypoxia. Painless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

‘It’s worked on mice’ is my favourite part of this thread

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS over a year ago

chichester

Shooting works fine why waste money investing into other chemical ways

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you’re in favour of the death penalty, you have to be comfortable with a wrong conviction that could include yourself or a loved one.

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By *tsJustKateWoman over a year ago

London

"The death penalty is abhorrent. "

So is Murder

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By *leanandkeenMan over a year ago

jarrow

The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

I feel it should if a person I beyond doubt guilty I.e video evidence and irrefutable crime scene dna evidence etc. Then yes death penalty is suitable if it suits the crime. It’s barbaric but when you look at the likes of Ian Huntley rose west and many more then you can say that the crimes they committed were barbaric and they are never likely to ever be released from prison so why spend thousands housing them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This world is fucked. I hope the next life is better

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment."

Just looked at B & Q, a strong rope is a tenner

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

Just looked at B & Q, a strong rope is a tenner

God stuff. Don’t complain when it’s someone you care about getting wrongly convicted

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

Just looked at B & Q, a strong rope is a tenner

God stuff. Don’t complain when it’s someone you care about getting wrongly convicted

Sounds good

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan over a year ago

A den in the Glen

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

Just looked at B & Q, a strong rope is a tenner

Picture hanging wire is cheaper. Fits in your pocket too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

What studies?"

It’s not a difficult google search

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

What studies?"

“ The higher cost of the death penalty can be attributed to several factors. Legal processes in capital cases involve extensive pre-trial proceedings, specialized attorneys, and lengthy trials, leading to increased legal expenses. Additionally, the appeals process for death penalty cases tends to be prolonged, further contributing to higher costs.”

“ Factors such as lengthy legal processes, appeals, and specialized housing contribute to the higher costs associated with capital punishment.”

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

I think there’s a US constitutional bar against “cruel and unusual” punishment. Hence death sentences are supposed to be as painless as possible.

But they keep “irrefutably” catching innocent people. So please, don’t kill them. Better they be kept in jail (which I don’t think is as cushy as some people seem to think) and if they are proven innocent at some future stage, can be released for whatever life they have left. Not proven innocent? Stay in jail.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

What studies?

It’s not a difficult google search

Its easier if your gonna make a big statement to just provide your source so we can see exactly where you found it

Telling others to essentially “do your research” on a claim you’ve made just makes it look like you don’t have a source

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By *arlot o scaraWoman over a year ago

Hell

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

What studies?

It’s not a difficult google search

Its easier if your gonna make a big statement to just provide your source so we can see exactly where you found it

Telling others to essentially “do your research” on a claim you’ve made just makes it look like you don’t have a source "

I googled it and it said that the average execution costs twice as much as the average life sentence.

But, the only data I could find was from America, where people are held on death row for many years before being executed, which surely adds to the cost

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve googled after saying “what studies”.

Apparently 75% of cases are changed from the death penalty to something else. So very few cases actually get to execution.

The studies I’ve read suggest it’s the legal costs of facilitating capital trials that have increased costs.

Apparently it’s a $1-1.5million extra to seek the death penalty that just to seek prison time in a trial and $70-90,000 per year to keep a prisoner.

So, there’s a break even point where it’s better to execute them. Much depends on how long the prisoner might live

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And if the decision to execute is 100% solid.

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By *ustincamebridgeCouple over a year ago

manchester

"I dont agree with the death penalty full stop."

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everything I read was American. Probably because it’s a matter for conversation there whereas places like Saudi Arabia probably don’t encourage conversation about this subject.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment.

What studies?

It’s not a difficult google search

Its easier if your gonna make a big statement to just provide your source so we can see exactly where you found it

Telling others to essentially “do your research” on a claim you’ve made just makes it look like you don’t have a source "

No, I’m just not spending my time getting loads of links when the fab forum rules on posting links are ambiguous at best, and the site is too crappy to post screenshots or articles.

The information is readily available for those who are interested.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"‘It’s worked on mice’ is my favourite part of this thread"

Tom has an idea that these so called euthania types have tried this has on mice and it worked. They need more testing. Bigger animals like poisonous snakes, croocodiles, sharks and dangerous wolves could be sacrificed in the name of science to make this process safer for humans to endure

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By *affeine DuskMan over a year ago

Caerphilly

"‘It’s worked on mice’ is my favourite part of this thread

This one comment may very well be your all-time best work.

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"‘It’s worked on mice’ is my favourite part of this thread

The poor animals have done nothing wrong and shouldn't be sacrificed for some murders/ rapists.

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By *hirley147TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Nitrous oxide as been used for suicides because it's painless. Excellent of alabama to use this, but personally I believe hanging is the best method. I totally believe in capital punishment and congratulations to the law there for using it. We should have it in this country. Certain criminals deserve to be dispatched. I have sympathy for the victims and their families, not the murderer. If you take a life, you for fit your own. An eye for an eye. Well done USA, well done alabama.

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By *aturefunswTV/TS over a year ago

bristol

Remember this is the guy that survived a lethal injection attempt and then tried to sue .

It’s in an incredible story .

But not as incredible as the Nottingham spree killer ….. 9 months an arrest warrant was open on him .

Now gets the chance ( unlikely but possible ) to live in community again !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no 'gentle release' for anyone who unwillingly faces death.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Nitrous oxide as been used for suicides because it's painless. Excellent of alabama to use this, but personally I believe hanging is the best method. I totally believe in capital punishment and congratulations to the law there for using it. We should have it in this country. Certain criminals deserve to be dispatched. I have sympathy for the victims and their families, not the murderer. If you take a life, you for fit your own. An eye for an eye. Well done USA, well done alabama. "
google stephan cizco then come back

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By *aturefunswTV/TS over a year ago

bristol

This guy was stitched too x jury voted 11-1 for life imprisonment , judge overruled for DP .

And he was hired to kill the guy behind a pastor, committed suicide when the police started closing in on him .

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Remember this is the guy that survived a lethal injection attempt and then tried to sue .

It’s in an incredible story .

But not as incredible as the Nottingham spree killer ….. 9 months an arrest warrant was open on him .

Now gets the chance ( unlikely but possible ) to live in community again !"

Highly unlikely indeed:

"Mr Justice Turner told Calocane he remained a danger and the sentence would "result in you being detained in a high-security hospital, very probably for the rest of your life"."

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances.

The state should not have the power to decide who lives or dies.

And when they do, occasionally they get it wrong."
yet this guy decided who should die. I'm sorry he gets no sympathy from me

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By *hirley147TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Hanging as been used for centuries, and is cheap and works. Why keep people like, the moors murderers, or rose west, Yorkshire ripper etc, alive, saves money and gives closure to the victims next of kin. The USA as still got some backbone and I admire it for doing so. We can't even deport dinghy people across the channel to France because of some pathetic EU law.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't have any sympathy for murderers.

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By *aturefunswTV/TS over a year ago

bristol

"Remember this is the guy that survived a lethal injection attempt and then tried to sue .

It’s in an incredible story .

But not as incredible as the Nottingham spree killer ….. 9 months an arrest warrant was open on him .

Now gets the chance ( unlikely but possible ) to live in community again !

Apparently he turned up

At Mi5 hq and wakes them to turn the voices off .

After that he wasn’t supervised unless he committed a crime or went a mental health place .

Judge could have used a hybrid sentence - detained at high security hospital until well enough to go to max prison etc etc . This sentence gives him opportunity to be released to low secruity prison then released on parole if well enough !

Highly unlikely indeed:

"Mr Justice Turner told Calocane he remained a danger and the sentence would "result in you being detained in a high-security hospital, very probably for the rest of your life".""

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By *aturefunswTV/TS over a year ago

bristol

Have to be honest I can’t believe a 9 month arrest warrant wasn’t executed , especially as he assaulted a police man to be arrested in first place .

It could happen in a place anywhere and to any of us or our kids .

Tragic I had tears in my eyes listening to the families and then anger at all the lies the cps ad others told them .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It would be cheaper to just put the guy in a school uniform. It's America...

MrWho.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"We can't even deport dinghy people across the channel to France because of some pathetic EU law. "

If you're talking about the 1951 United Nations Convention on Refugees, the UK signed their agreement in 1951 and ratified it in 1954. The UK didn't join the EU (it wasn't called that then) until the 70s, some 20 years or so after signing the convention.

And if you didn't realise, somebody ought to tell you.

The UK isn't in the EU.

UK countries only have to follow the laws in the various UK countries. If it's the same as an EU law, it's because the various UK governments made it law in the UK countries.

That's the problem with Brexit, people getting it wrong.

Gbat

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By *orny-DJMan over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

I was reading about this the other day.

This all boils down to tge fact that the previous attempt by the usual means (lethal injection) failed as they were unable to administer it within the allotted timeframe and thoughts are that a second attempt would also fail so they are considering another means of passing his sentence

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Remember this is the guy that survived a lethal injection attempt and then tried to sue .

It’s in an incredible story .

But not as incredible as the Nottingham spree killer ….. 9 months an arrest warrant was open on him .

Now gets the chance ( unlikely but possible ) to live in community again !

Highly unlikely indeed:

"Mr Justice Turner told Calocane he remained a danger and the sentence would "result in you being detained in a high-security hospital, very probably for the rest of your life".""

Not you again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The death penalty sucks.

Nitrogen is however a painless and quick way to go. They are researching it in Switzerland for assisted suicide and its used agriculturally sometimes for pigs etc.

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By *uri00620Woman over a year ago

Croydon

"The death penalty is a taboo subject should it still exist etc

Studies consistently reveal that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishment."

Yes this, the US model has always shown this to be the case. The death penalty is far costlier.

Anyway, to the question. Nitrogen is often found to be suitable for pig euthanasia. Since pigs are often used to replace humans in experiments anyway(including toxicity trials) then it should be sound. The pertinent part of this for me is the word 'should'.

Death penalty - still, a no from me.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

The death penalty doesn't seem to deter much either. The US is a violent society.

Mass shooting? Simple answer, more guns!

Gbat

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By *oubleswing2019Man over a year ago

Colchester

Going back to the original post and the decision to use Nitrogen.

I'd rather there was no death penalty at all. Life imprisonment, sure.

Because I look at ways in which a truly awful situation (eg the murder) can have positive consequences elsewhere.

Guards are employed, thus creating job and salaries. A whole other infrastructure exists to keep that person in prison. It's all paid work for someone else. Someone and their family. Someone putting their children through school.

So much good can come from such evil, if you allow the good to flourish.

That man's evil actions may have destroyed one family. I feel it is perverse to harm another's because of that.

Let good flourish from the darkest of places.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Death penalties are abhorrent and have no place in any decent society.

The use of Nitrogen should not be permitted, as it causes suffering. They should wait, until they have the previous permitted materials.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Death penalties are abhorrent and have no place in any decent society.

The use of Nitrogen should not be permitted, as it causes suffering. They should wait, until they have the previous permitted materials. "

The previous permitted materials only "worked" without causing suffering, if used very precisely and lots of factors taken into account. There were plenty of prolonged and botched executions with potassium chloride & sodium thiopental etc. Also, the manufacturers of these chemicals no longer wish to supply them for execution, so the outlet is closed.

I think it's time to reassess the death penalty. Clearly, it does not dissuade people from committing violent crime. If it did, the USA would be some kind of super safe utopia.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we as a civilisation are not able to consider it humane for someone to get help to end their suffering and give them the right to close their life in a dignified way, what right do we have to take someone’s life as a form of punishment ?

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By *oubleswing2019Man over a year ago

Colchester

"I think it's time to reassess the death penalty. Clearly, it does not dissuade people from committing violent crime. If it did, the USA would be some kind of super safe utopia. "

Agreed. There does seem to a belief that the more severe the punishment, the more likely the crime will not be committed.

Unfortunately the criminally insane ignore that memo and do their thing anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For the families of criminal's on death row it's affected a painless death sentence isn't right I'd want them to suffer

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By *eronikapaulCouple over a year ago

Reading

What causes the desperate and distressing need to breathe is an increase in dissolved carbon dioxide in your blood.More specifically the downward blood pH change associated with that. If you (or a pig) are gradually asphyxiated with nitrogen that pH change doesn't occur and the must breathe response isn't triggered. It is therefore a reasonable way to go.

Whether it is right is a different matter. The USA would be the last place on earth to trust that a reliable decision is made by a court. Sad but true.

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By *eronikapaulCouple over a year ago

Reading

I mean would you rather be electrocuted? Nitrogen please. Every time...What do you mean it only happens once?

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By *oubleswing2019Man over a year ago

Colchester

"For the families of criminal's on death row it's affected a painless death sentence isn't right I'd want them to suffer "
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So as they are writhing there in absolute agony and suffering, you will get to feel the same agonies and suffering their victim felt when they killed and tortured them.

You are holding a mirror to them and reliving the distress they caused to another person.

Do you think that is a psychologically healthy experience for you ? Do you feel their torture gives you closure ? Why is that ? That imprint is forever in your mind. Do you really want to carry that for the rest of your life ?

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By *aptain Caveman41Man over a year ago

Home

I'm against the death penalty.let the person rot in jail

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For the families of criminal's on death row it's affected a painless death sentence isn't right I'd want them to suffer .

So as they are writhing there in absolute agony and suffering, you will get to feel the same agonies and suffering their victim felt when they killed and tortured them.

You are holding a mirror to them and reliving the distress they caused to another person.

If someone who done something to a friend or family member on death row I'd definitely enjoy seeing them in agony and I'd probably cherish the memory

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

Seems rather barbaric, not really a surprise for Alabama though.

I suppose if your thing is killing people who may have killed a person/people and you're struggling to find a way to do it via lethal injection, then this would be an alternative. But why not use tried and tested methods? Electric chair, gassing etc rather than something that's only been tested on mice?

On the other hand, those suggesting firing squad etc why put other people through the trauma? Even the N*zis had to figure something else out because the mental health of said executioners suffered.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

The deed is done by Alabama. Witnesses say the man thrashed wildly on the gurney and the process took 25 minutes. The Alabama state that these were involuntary movements which were expected.. Its all over...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems rather barbaric, not really a surprise for Alabama though.

On the other hand, those suggesting firing squad etc why put other people through the trauma? Even the N*zis had to figure something else out because the mental health of said executioners suffered. "

I know people who would happily do the shooting, throw the electric switch, kick away the hangman’s stool or swing the axe. I can’t vouch for their current mental health, but at least they’d enjoy their work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems rather barbaric, not really a surprise for Alabama though.

It only took the Nazis 6 million people to figure this out? One could suggest that the Nazis weren’t terribly interested in relieving suffering.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bullet to the head would have been instant.

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By *icknmix500Man over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

Bring it back in the uk

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Seems rather barbaric, not really a surprise for Alabama though.

On the other hand, those suggesting firing squad etc why put other people through the trauma? Even the N*zis had to figure something else out because the mental health of said executioners suffered.

It only took the Nazis 6 million people to figure this out? One could suggest that the Nazis weren’t terribly interested in relieving suffering."

They worked it out pretty quickly. The initial genocide was carried out mainly by shooting people and dumping them in mass pits. But the firing squads became distressed so they developed an "at a distance", more efficient method of mass murder. Gas chambers. The change wasn't to alleviate the suffering of those being murdered, it was to make it easier for the perpetrators to do it.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"The death penalty is abhorrent.

So is Murder "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems rather barbaric, not really a surprise for Alabama though.

On the other hand, those suggesting firing squad etc why put other people through the trauma? Even the N*zis had to figure something else out because the mental health of said executioners suffered.

It only took the Nazis 6 million people to figure this out? One could suggest that the Nazis weren’t terribly interested in relieving suffering.

I think the decision was more about cost and logistics than the feelings of the perpetrators. There’s a good Netflix documentary about a special police battalion (death squads) called “ordinary men”. All volunteers, all given the option not to shoot, all bar 12 (of 700) murdered. i think only about 3 of them went to jail and even then, not for very long.

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

Good, although I don't know why they just don't use the guillotine far quicker, easier and more humane (not that he deserved any compassion obviously).

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Good, although I don't know why they just don't use the guillotine far quicker, easier and more humane (not that he deserved any compassion obviously)."

There is a classic line from Carry On Don't Lose Your Head.

Just as the guillotine was about to drop a man ran out of the crowd with a letter for the victim. Kenneth Williams or whoever was the actor said..

Pop it in the basket. I will read it later....

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

I used to work with a couple of guys that tried to do this with their personal methane production- that ain’t a pleasant experience to open the door to a small workshop too

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By *hirley147TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

"The deed is done by Alabama. Witnesses say the man thrashed wildly on the gurney and the process took 25 minutes. The Alabama state that these were involuntary movements which were expected.. Its all over... This man chose his own fate by is appalling actions. Feel sorry for his victims and their families. Still think hanging is best. Well done ???? alabama. Please can we have in uk."

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

I disagree with the death penalty on several grounds.

Although an article that I read (by someone who's pro death penalty) made an interesting case for hanging (done properly) being the most humane method

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman over a year ago

Worcester

Once again America has shown that it’s ethics and morals are not in line with a civilized society and it should not be regarded as such.

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By *hriscooperMan over a year ago

Warrington

I agree with it, and if those of you who are against it have experienced the sort of evil those who rap e and murder you're loved ones, including kids, family or friends, most of you would agree too..

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

If there is concrete evidence, then they shouldn't be allowed to live out their days in a warm room with a TV, Xbox and a smuggled iphone so they can continue with their obsession on in inflicting pain and suffering on kids, women and men alike.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

I've actually seen messages that some bastard kept sending to someone once he's been put behind bars for a high double figure sentence. No matter how many times she moved or changed her number, he always finds her again.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman over a year ago

Worcester

"I agree with it, and if those of you who are against it have experienced the sort of evil those who rap e and murder you're loved ones, including kids, family or friends, most of you would agree too..

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch. "

Living without freedom for the rest of your life is a much harsher sentence than not living at all.

(And I’m pretty sure that many here who disagree with the death penalty have lived with r*pe themselves, since it is such a common crime for women to suffer.)

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Alabama before the process had said it would only take 5 minutes..

The other thing about the case is they tried to do this originally via lethal injection.. but they spent 5 hrs on the table looking for a workable vein, and when they did, not enough when in to kill him

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By *hriscooperMan over a year ago

Warrington

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch.

Living without freedom for the rest of your life is a much harsher sentence than not living at all.

(And I’m pretty sure that many here who disagree with the death penalty have lived with r*pe themselves, since it is such a common crime for women to suffer.)"

How on earth can living in a comfy, warm cell with no remorse, sharing stories with like minded new friends be anywhere near harsher? Granted some people may find it within themselves to forgive, but so many simply cannot move on or get any sort of closure until their attacker has died years down the line.

I respect your opinion but think you are very naive and very deluded.

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By *JandJJCouple over a year ago

Nuneaton

"I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances.

The state should not have the power to decide who lives or dies.

And when they do, occasionally they get it wrong."

While I see exactly what you are saying, by your own standards does a murderer have the power to decide who lives or dies? A sex fiend decide who deserves to be attacked or not??

It is a really tough argument either way isn't it?

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By *ee04Man over a year ago

Essex

I saw a film when I was about 10 or 11 called 10 rillington place this made my mind up on the death penalty.

I have been in the prison where Timothy Evan’s was executed (not as an inmate) I have stood where John Christie is buried.

This day and age with the way crimes are investigated I know is a lot more reliable DNA etc. However I still cannot bring myself to support the death penalty.

We have some evil scum who have done unspeakable crimes and acts on others. However I just feel it is outdated and revengeful making us no better than the perpetrators.

I am not going to criticise as I would not know how I felt if it was one of my nearest and dearest who was the victim.

I had a friend who was murdered when I had just left school the perpetrator is out again now and has been for many years to my knowledge he has committed no further offences. At the time I would have happily applied the noose and pulled the leaver, but would I have been right?

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By *JandJJCouple over a year ago

Nuneaton

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch.

Living without freedom for the rest of your life is a much harsher sentence than not living at all.

(And I’m pretty sure that many here who disagree with the death penalty have lived with r*pe themselves, since it is such a common crime for women to suffer.)"

You really believe that women have ben senselessly and violently violated by a stranger disagree with the death penalty?

Really??

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch.

Living without freedom for the rest of your life is a much harsher sentence than not living at all.

(And I’m pretty sure that many here who disagree with the death penalty have lived with r*pe themselves, since it is such a common crime for women to suffer.)

I respect your opinion but think you are very naive and very deluded. "

I am not sure it's fair to say that gym is deluded or naive.

She has a position and opinion on a subject that raises passionate responses. She has a fair point even if it not shared by us all. The forum would be poorer without gym...

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan over a year ago

A den in the Glen

"I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat "

Were you in Sixth Sense?

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Were you in Sixth Sense?"

No, the real world, where bad things happen.

Gbat

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By *JandJJCouple over a year ago

Nuneaton

"I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat "

I have no sympathy for murderers, r.pists, peados.

Sorry, but they are a waste of oxygen.

The cost of keeping them is a total waste of money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the death penalty works as a deterrent, why are the American prosions full death row inmates?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"If the death penalty works as a deterrent, why are the American prosions full death row inmates?"

Exactly. There's no country in the world with zero crime, yet many have capital punishment. It clearly isn't a deterrent.

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By *hirley147TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

The USA still as some backbone, to it's credit. Pity UK doesn't. In shariah law I believe it is up to the relatives of the victim to decide the perpetrators fate. Let the relatives have them for a hour, to do with as they see fit. Obviously equipment, should be provided to them. Or just take them to a high place and throw them.

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By *uri00620Woman over a year ago

Croydon

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch.

Living without freedom for the rest of your life is a much harsher sentence than not living at all.

(And I’m pretty sure that many here who disagree with the death penalty have lived with r*pe themselves, since it is such a common crime for women to suffer.)

You really believe that women have ben senselessly and violently violated by a stranger disagree with the death penalty?

Really?? "

As one. Absolutely I disagree with it.

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

How much money has the likes of Hindley and Brady cost the UK coffers? Millions and millions. They could have probably build 10 new hospitals for what it's cost to house those monsters.

The chain of people that are forever affected by what they do is massive, it lasts a lifetime for those who lose someone that way.

That's so much worse than someone being given a painless death for what they did. Lifelong torture and a life in constant fear just for falling foul of some creature who imitates being a human being.

So bring it back over here and I for one would happily go and watch.

Living without freedom for the rest of your life is a much harsher sentence than not living at all.

(And I’m pretty sure that many here who disagree with the death penalty have lived with r*pe themselves, since it is such a common crime for women to suffer.)

You really believe that women have ben senselessly and violently violated by a stranger disagree with the death penalty?

Really??

As one. Absolutely I disagree with it. "

As one. I 100% agree with the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Total sick how they killed him. But do agree with the death penalty

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By *ichaelsmyMan over a year ago

douglas

it took him 20 minutes to die.

the liberals in the US, stopped them using drugs that were know to work and in seconds.

this is supposed to be the only way to excute them.

i dont see how that is a good thing

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat

I have no sympathy for murderers, r.pists, peados.

Sorry, but they are a waste of oxygen.

The cost of keeping them is a total waste of money."

the death penalty is 100% guaranteed to stop re-offending.If you give someone a whole life tariff what incentive have they got to behave in prison? None,so they become a danger to other prisoners and staff.

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By *ldgeezermeMan over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

"I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat "

Any of your friends or family?

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat

Any of your friends or family?"

Dead family, yes, murdered friends or family, no.

Murdered co-workers, yes.

How about you?

Gbat

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

" the death penalty is 100% guaranteed to stop re-offending."

But it's never been 100% accurate. Sometimes the wrong people get convicted.

Would you willingly go to your own death as a wrongly convicted person in support of the death penalty?

Gbat

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Thank goodness the death penalty wasn't applicable to people convicted of defrauding the post office

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By *ereforfun200Man over a year ago

North West

"Law Enforcers in Alabama, which is a State in the US. Is about to use Nitrogen to kill a death row inmate.,.. some ay it's an experiment and some say it's a gentle release. Should this method be used. It has worked on mice. It's all over... "
Well,this may or may not go down well here but we're all entitled to our views so mine is, what that lady who was murdered went through beggars belief so an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. In their country (USA), people know if you're found guilty then the death penalty awaits. The way it's carried out is not our concern. They used nitrogen then so be it.

Please don't send nasty messages to me about this, everyone has an opinion, that's mine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree with the death penalty. It's a mercy they don't deserve.

We should either have them in permanent solitary confinement or forcefully donate them to manual labour camps or medical testing facilities. That way they can help the species they have tried so hard to harm.

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"Thank goodness the death penalty wasn't applicable to people convicted of defrauding the post office"

That was fraud. The death penalty for murderers where the evidence is irrefutable would be quite acceptable. Ian Huntley and Levi Bellfield are two who immediately spring to mind.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Thank goodness the death penalty wasn't applicable to people convicted of defrauding the post office

That was fraud. The death penalty for murderers where the evidence is irrefutable would be quite acceptable. Ian Huntley and Levi Bellfield are two who immediately spring to mind."

The available evidence appeared irrefutable for the post office subpostmasters

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"Thank goodness the death penalty wasn't applicable to people convicted of defrauding the post office

That was fraud. The death penalty for murderers where the evidence is irrefutable would be quite acceptable. Ian Huntley and Levi Bellfield are two who immediately spring to mind.

The available evidence appeared irrefutable for the post office subpostmasters"

No it didn't, there was plenty of growing concern amongst a great deal of people. Also we are talking about murderers not fraudsters. There is a big difference.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple over a year ago

Leeds

"No problem whatsoever. Reading what he did to his victims I have zero sympathy."

This

Mrs

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

So many reasons not to have the death penalty and too many convinced that you can 100% guarantee that an innocent person won’t end up executed.

That person could be someone you love you know.

If you go by the US experience of capital punishment, the person will end up on death row for decades, whilst we the tax payer pay for endless appeals.

Those regarded as having a mental illness at the time will end up not being executed, so lawyers will push that as a defence.

Ian Huntley or any other person who deserves it has already been sentenced, so they won’t end up hanging from a noose.

No proof it brings down murder rates.

Rapists or Child Abusers won’t be executed. Only murder or terrorist cases will get even close to the black cap on the judges head.

Juries knowing they could possibly put someone on to death row, may not be able to get to a majority decision. Meaning retrials and the court system already cannot handle the back log of cases.

Very few rich people end up on death row. If you can afford a really good lawyer or know the right people, it’ll only be the poor on death row.

With the recent innocent people being accused of criminality, do you really have that much Faith in the authorities getting every case and investigation being 100% accurate and the right person truly guilty ?

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

The available evidence appeared irrefutable for the post office subpostmasters

No it didn't, there was plenty of growing concern amongst a great deal of people. Also we are talking about murderers not fraudsters. There is a big difference. "

The burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. It doesn't matter whether it's Murder, Fraud (or false accounting) by sub postmasters or shoplifting.

Each finding of guilt means the jury (or magistrates) were convinced beyond all reasonable doubt.

We know that they sometimes get it wrong.

Gbat

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By *adCherriesCouple over a year ago

Cheshire/Northwest

The available evidence appeared irrefutable for the post office subpostmasters

No it didn't, there was plenty of growing concern amongst a great deal of people. Also we are talking about murderers not fraudsters. There is a big difference.

The burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. It doesn't matter whether it's Murder, Fraud (or false accounting) by sub postmasters or shoplifting.

Each finding of guilt means the jury (or magistrates) were convinced beyond all reasonable doubt.

We know that they sometimes get it wrong.

Gbat "

And? Whats that got to do with anything? Whos talking about executing fraudsters. Lets agree to disagree, you're against it and im happy that the c**t in the usa is dead, the end

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"And? Whats that got to do with anything? Whos talking about executing fraudsters."

Sorry I wasn't clear enough for you.

Nobody is talking about executing fraudsters.

What I and several other posters have said is that there is ample evidence of unsafe convictions.

I am against the death penalty on a number of grounds, but just one of them is that I don't think we should execute innocent people.

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

That's what it's got to do with anything.

Gbat

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By *hoirCouple over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

The State should never have the power to kill.

He survived one attempt to kill him so he should be off death row.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"He survived one attempt to kill him so he should be off death row. "

He is now!

Gbat

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By *xhib12Man over a year ago

Blyth

Slowly releasing nitrogen into his, body starving him of oxygen. As they were not able to trace a vein. I am not phased he did wrong. Slow painful ending

I’m 99% sure it’s painless. You fall asleep before you can experience anything. A peaceful way to go

I don’t see the point in adding pain to the death penalty

It’s used to rid the world of people we don’t need. Not as some torture method "

This 100%

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By *arley QuimWoman over a year ago

Somewhere

"I've seen lots of dead people, some of them murdered.

I oppose the death penalty.

Gbat

I have no sympathy for murderers, r.pists, peados.

Sorry, but they are a waste of oxygen.

The cost of keeping them is a total waste of money.

But it clearly doesn't stop offending in the US? So, what's the point? They keep people hanging on death row for years, and then kill them by very questionable means? Surely, if that's the system you just stick a bullet in their head after conviction? It'd save a fortune, but a bit shit for those whose appeal is over turned

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By *inkywife1981Couple over a year ago

A town near you

Should the death penalty be a gentle pain free release.

But if someone murdered one of my loved ones n cold blood I'd like to see then go out screaming and writhing in pain.

I'm on the fence with the death penalty only for the fact that miscarriage of justice do happen, so wouldn't want to see an innocent put to death.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman over a year ago

Wirral.

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

Gbat "

Exactly this.

In recent times we have seen a fair few convictions overturned in this country. If British justice - still thought to be the standard other countries strive to achieve - can get it so wrong at times, I'd much rather a prison sentence.

And yes, for ANY crime. Even against my nearest & dearest.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

Gbat

Exactly this.

And yes, for ANY crime. Even against my nearest & dearest.

Just imagine if that gentleman from Salford had been executed. And I'm sure people DID bay for his blood....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Andrew_Malkinson

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

On a lighter note.

Why is the French Guillotine outlawed..

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By *arley QuimWoman over a year ago

Somewhere

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

Gbat

Exactly this.

And yes, for ANY crime. Even against my nearest & dearest.

If a mental/life debilitating/death crime was taken against either my daughter, or her children, and I knew 100% who had commited that act. Then I'd just take vigilante means into my own hands, and then probably commit suicide, as I would not want to live my life inside prison.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Why is the French Guillotine outlawed.. "

Simply, they gave it the chop.

In Europe, only Belarus and Russia have the death penalty and Russia hasn't used it since the 90s.

On the other hand, they do have conscription and send poorly trained soldiers into battle.

Gbat

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By *avenTinaCouple over a year ago

Southport

"No problem whatsoever. Reading what he did to his victims I have zero sympathy."
got to agree with you he didn’t care about the suffering he brought to his victim or their family, l won’t lose any sleep over his execution

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By *ed VoluptaWoman 52 weeks ago

Wirral.

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

Gbat

Exactly this.

And yes, for ANY crime. Even against my nearest & dearest.

Just imagine if that gentleman from Salford had been executed. And I'm sure people DID bay for his blood....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Andrew_Malkinson"

Yup. A very scary thought.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman 52 weeks ago

Wirral.

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

Gbat

Exactly this.

And yes, for ANY crime. Even against my nearest & dearest.

Good for you

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

Death is inevitable. How it happens is up to us, with a few exceptions.

He is dead. He did not care how his victim died. We should not care how he died.

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By *arley QuimWoman 52 weeks ago

Somewhere

I would rather keep five hundred murderers in prison than execute one innocent person.

Gbat

Exactly this.

And yes, for ANY crime. Even against my nearest & dearest.

Good for you

Well, not really good for me? And whilst justice should never really be an eye for any eye in my opinion... If I lost my small immediate family, due to a horrendous crime... There's not much else to live for?

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By *olinservingMan 52 weeks ago

wallasey

There’s a good podcast on radio 4 called killing Death Row worth a listen although it’s not about using Nitrogen to kill the inmate, more about how they arrived at this situation…..

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By *c_FingersMan 52 weeks ago

Stoke On Trent

Death penalty of any form is wrong on many levels.

That said, strong arguments for both cases.

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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Bridgewater 4

Birmingham 6

Thank god the uk doesn’t…..

What would you say to the families of those who you killed wrongly…

Oops!!!

My bad!!!

It was for the greater good!!!

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By *batMan 52 weeks ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

Cardiff 3. One of them even made a false confession under immense pressure from the interviewing officers.

Gbat

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By *ssex_tom OP Man 52 weeks ago

Chelmsford

"Cardiff 3. One of them even made a false confession under immense pressure from the interviewing officers.

Gbat "

Why were they actually called the Cardiff 3

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man 52 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

"Cardiff 3. One of them even made a false confession under immense pressure from the interviewing officers.

Gbat

Why were they actually called the Cardiff 3"

There were 3 of them, from Cardiff.

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By *ingle ex cuckMan 52 weeks ago

chester

All the do Gooders on here that don't surport the death penalty

Come back with your opinion once you've had a loved one or your child murdered.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

I'm all for the death penalty, where there is absolutely no doubt at all.

He was NOT given nitrogen, because they couldn't find a vein. That is not correct.

He was an evil being that did appalling atrocities. He then tried to manipulate the system. He thought by asking for nitrogen and making it his right, it would delay his final day coming. He filed a lawsuit demanding nitrogen and finally got it legalised as a method of execution and gtanted.

He didn't think they'd actually do it, he thought by selecting nitrogen he'd never get that final day.

He was wrong and when he realised they were seriously going to administer his 'wish' he then started to back pedal and his lawyers started another campaign, again to also postpone it.

It didn't do any good. They gave him his wish.

It was a slow and painful execution that took, I recall 22 minutes. Again, trying to avoid his sentence, witnesses say he started pulling at the restraints and held his breath as long as possible, he trird to make out it was excruciating, minutes BEFORE the nitrogen was turned on. They say he did a lot of pain acting, another attempt to get his execution stopped. This brings into doubt how long he was genuinely suffering uncontrollably and how much was an acting.

He deserved what he got!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"All the do Gooders on here that don't surport the death penalty

Come back with your opinion once you've had a loved one or your child murdered. "

My Grandad's youngest daughter was run over and killed by a drink driver, on his birthday. She was 16. He had to ID her. He did not support the death penalty in any case and nor do I.

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By *ora the explorerWoman 52 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

"All the do Gooders on here that don't surport the death penalty

Come back with your opinion once you've had a loved one or your child murdered.

My Grandad's youngest daughter was run over and killed by a drink driver, on his birthday. She was 16. He had to ID her. He did not support the death penalty in any case and nor do I. "

Good on him

. He’s a better person than I am x

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By *abioMan 52 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"All the do Gooders on here that don't surport the death penalty

Come back with your opinion once you've had a loved one or your child murdered. "

Actually had a good friend murdered thanks for asking (not going to say who as it’s very high profile.. but people who have been here a long time will know, and I am still good friends with the family)

I wanted to say one thing… don’t mistake my kindness for weakness!

Do I believe in the death penalty.. no… one mistake would be one too many!

Do I believe they should rot in a jail cell… absolutely!!!!

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By *ete_wifeCouple 52 weeks ago

suffield

a bullet is cheaper

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By *ackandsashaCouple 52 weeks ago

West Dublin

"If it’s painless, sure why not

If someone’s been proven to be guilty of crimes that we deem irredeemable, I don’t think it makes sense to keep paying for their existence "

You are so right. Anybody found guilty, and only those found guilty., should be executed. People like The Birmingham 6. And The Guilford 4. And The Bridgewater Four. And Timothy Evans. And Stephen Downing . And Stefan Kiszko. And George Kelly, Mahmood Mattan, and George Thather, and Andrew Evans. All found guilty. Can you guess what they all have in common?

In the U.S. in a new report, the Death Penalty Information Center (DPIC) said its examination of every death sentence handed down since 1973 – more than 9,600 in all – revealed that 185 death row inmates had been exonerated after being wrongfully convicted, 11 more than previously known. All 185 clearly innocent people, had been found guilty in a court of law. So yeah, execute all people found guilty of murder.

As it happens that is not the reason I don't agree with the death penalty, although most rational people would agree it's a pretty good reason to oppose the death penalty. I find it barbaric. And no less heinus than certain countries who behead their criminals.

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By *adCherriesCouple 52 weeks ago

Cheshire/Northwest

"a bullet is cheaper"

They should be locked in a 'Hostel' type room with the family and let them sort it out

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By *hirley147TV/TS 52 weeks ago

Blackpool

We are not talking about Ruth Ellis type situation here. With today's technology and cctv evidence they can say 100//% it was them. Like the killer s of Lee rigby, the moors murderers, this guy in Nottingham with the van, only in cases of overwhelming evidence, Ian Huntley. Only where evidence is overwhelming.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"We are not talking about Ruth Ellis type situation here. With today's technology and cctv evidence they can say 100//% it was them. Like the killer s of Lee rigby, the moors murderers, this guy in Nottingham with the van, only in cases of overwhelming evidence, Ian Huntley. Only where evidence is overwhelming. "

How is "overwhelming" defined. We don't have a judgement called "overwhelmingly guilty". We just have guilty or not guilty, and it is supposed to be "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". Yet, Mr Malkinson was jailed for 17yrs and had appeals refused, until being exonerated recently. The forensic evidence did not support his conviction in the first place and although this evidence became available when he was appealing, the relevant authorities simply ignored it! His crime was supposedly r*pe. Plenty of people on here would have shot him at the point of his conviction, yet he was entirely innocent! How do you exonerate someone you have put to death?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Andrew_Malkinson

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By *rivextrMan 52 weeks ago

Glasgow

Sick!!!

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

I don't understand why they can't just give them general anaesthetic, like we all have for an operation, then do whatever method that works.

They'll be totally under anaesthetic, so won't feel a thing.

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

"All the do Gooders on here that don't surport the death penalty

Come back with your opinion once you've had a loved one or your child murdered. "

So you’re willing to be put to death yourself, Or a loved one, in the event of a miscarriage of justice?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"I don't understand why they can't just give them general anaesthetic, like we all have for an operation, then do whatever method that works.

They'll be totally under anaesthetic, so won't feel a thing.

No company who make anaesthetics will sell them to the Corrections department of a US state. That's why.

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By *r PantyMan 52 weeks ago

Morpeth

Carbon Monoxide is good and so is Zyklon B.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"Carbon Monoxide is good and so is Zyklon B."

Oh, FFS. Give it up.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

"I don't understand why they can't just give them general anaesthetic, like we all have for an operation, then do whatever method that works.

They'll be totally under anaesthetic, so won't feel a thing.

No company who make anaesthetics will sell them to the Corrections department of a US state. That's why. "

I get that, but I wouldn't have thought it was that hard for a government to make, or have their own departments making it. Even an animal being put down doesn't suffer.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"I don't understand why they can't just give them general anaesthetic, like we all have for an operation, then do whatever method that works.

They'll be totally under anaesthetic, so won't feel a thing.

No company who make anaesthetics will sell them to the Corrections department of a US state. That's why.

I get that, but I wouldn't have thought it was that hard for a government to make, or have their own departments making it. Even an animal being put down doesn't suffer. "

My understanding of American law might be wrong, but death penalties are at state level, not written into the national law. That means individual states would have to have the means of production. It's an expensive job, making medical drugs. I suppose they probably could do it. But there must be a good reason why, otherwise they would produce the stuff that was used for lethal injections previously.

I think they should use these issues as an opportunity for a total rethink.

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

The Death Penalty doesn’t prevent or stop murder so why have it?

They are having to find other methods of execution since Britain blocked use of one the key drugs America were using for executions by lethal injection.

One state was reduced to using executioners wielding chisels to sever condemned prisoners spinal cords

Americans are vindictive & cruel and if their legal system actually worked they wouldn’t have to resort to barbarities of this nature.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

"The Death Penalty doesn’t prevent or stop murder so why have it?"

You can never prove or disprove that statement.

I think for some that would love to murder someone, they do think of the consequences of being caught, where capital punishment stops them taking the risk but 15 years is worth it. We will never know.

If someone is a serial killer, after capital punishment, they certainly don't do it again. I think that a result.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"The Death Penalty doesn’t prevent or stop murder so why have it?

You can never prove or disprove that statement.

If someone is a serial killer, after capital punishment, they certainly don't do it again. I think that a result. "

America has one of the highest murder rates in the world. It's also one of a few with capital punishment. The evidence suggests that it is not a deterrent.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

"The Death Penalty doesn’t prevent or stop murder so why have it?

You can never prove or disprove that statement.

If someone is a serial killer, after capital punishment, they certainly don't do it again. I think that a result.

America has one of the highest murder rates in the world. It's also one of a few with capital punishment. The evidence suggests that it is not a deterrent. "

It's also probably the largest country with the largest number of people. Also with many states (is it 52 states) not many have the death penalty. Think there's only about Florida and Texas that do.

So I'd take that 'evidence' with a pinch of salt.

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

"The Death Penalty doesn’t prevent or stop murder so why have it?

You can never prove or disprove that statement.

If someone is a serial killer, after capital punishment, they certainly don't do it again. I think that a result.

America has one of the highest murder rates in the world. It's also one of a few with capital punishment. The evidence suggests that it is not a deterrent.

It's also probably the largest country with the largest number of people. Also with many states (is it 52 states) not many have the death penalty. Think there's only about Florida and Texas that do.

So I'd take that 'evidence' with a pinch of salt.

27 states have the death penalty.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple 52 weeks ago

North West

"The Death Penalty doesn’t prevent or stop murder so why have it?

You can never prove or disprove that statement.

If someone is a serial killer, after capital punishment, they certainly don't do it again. I think that a result.

America has one of the highest murder rates in the world. It's also one of a few with capital punishment. The evidence suggests that it is not a deterrent.

It's also probably the largest country with the largest number of people. Also with many states (is it 52 states) not many have the death penalty. Think there's only about Florida and Texas that do.

So I'd take that 'evidence' with a pinch of salt.

Murder RATE. Not absolute numbers. A rate is a number expressed per X of population, allowing direct comparison between countries of different population sizes.

America's murder rate is very high, on the global measurement scale. It has capital punishment in certain states. The capital punishment thing isn't deterring murderers.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

hmmm.... how do I put this.

Even if it doesn't deter many thousands of murders and the rate is very high. I don't care.

If the deterrent deters just one person from murdering, then it's worth it in my book.

I'm all for the death penalty. Always will be.

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

"hmmm.... how do I put this.

Even if it doesn't deter many thousands of murders and the rate is very high. I don't care.

If the deterrent deters just one person from murdering, then it's worth it in my book.

I'm all for the death penalty. Always will be. "

Willing to lose a loved one to a miscarriage of justice?

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By *ndycoinsMan 52 weeks ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

The problem with saying something isn't a deterrent is that you don't know how much/many has been detered,because you can't measure something that hasn't happened because err......it hasn't happened.You don't know how many people have been deterred from drink driving by a Police crackdown because they haven't done it.You don't know how many people have not broken into your home because they have seen your burglar alarm box,because they haven't broken in.To say the death penalty is not a deterrent by quoting actual murder statistics is bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

"The USA still as some backbone, to it's credit. Pity UK doesn't. In shariah law I believe it is up to the relatives of the victim to decide the perpetrators fate. Let the relatives have them for a hour, to do with as they see fit. Obviously equipment, should be provided to them. Or just take them to a high place and throw them. "

Shariah Law......REALLY???

Are you for real?

You are aware that that barbaric law system makes it ok for people to make ANY allegations against someone with little or no concrete proof needed. Women beaten or stoned to death for even kissing someone other than their husband, or sex before marriage.

Gay or bisexual men stoned to death or as you seem to like, thrown from a high building, and if the fall doesn't kill them, then the baying mob below is allowed to beat them to death?

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By *ndycoinsMan 52 weeks ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"hmmm.... how do I put this.

Even if it doesn't deter many thousands of murders and the rate is very high. I don't care.

If the deterrent deters just one person from murdering, then it's worth it in my book.

I'm all for the death penalty. Always will be.

Willing to lose a loved one to a miscarriage of justice?"

DNA evidence for example,no miscarriage of justice.

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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago

"hmmm.... how do I put this.

Even if it doesn't deter many thousands of murders and the rate is very high. I don't care.

If the deterrent deters just one person from murdering, then it's worth it in my book.

I'm all for the death penalty. Always will be.

Willing to lose a loved one to a miscarriage of justice?

DNA evidence for example,no miscarriage of justice."

DNA is not infallible, and has in fact been used to convict the innocent.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS 52 weeks ago

Alcester

"hmmm.... how do I put this.

Even if it doesn't deter many thousands of murders and the rate is very high. I don't care.

If the deterrent deters just one person from murdering, then it's worth it in my book.

I'm all for the death penalty. Always will be.

Willing to lose a loved one to a miscarriage of justice?"

No, not at all, but I'd vote for the death penalty and it's a very slim risk I'd take. So to answer your question. 100% yes.

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