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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news" I don’t know Tom what can you do to combat this????? | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I don’t know Tom what can you do to combat this?????" The Lord Helps Them who Help Themselves... | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I don’t know Tom what can you do to combat this????? The Lord Helps Them who Help Themselves..." Does he thought Tom does he really or is that just a quote from a religious numpty and all through history there have been plenty of those. T | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news" Pay monthly and your bill is the same all year round and it won't run out | |||
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"Yes bills are high but the government handed money to people to cover the bills , but people took the money and spent it on non essential items, I know first hand people that people were getting Botox and hair extensions with these payments, " That just reads like the comment section in the Daily Fail. | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few." Then trust can fuck it up like British coal, steel, railways, Leyland, buses . Fuck no  | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few." This 1000000% Other countries manage with nationalised energy, utility and transport services, which provide much lower costs and improved quality of services. Sadly we have tories and shareholders.  | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news Pay monthly and your bill is the same all year round and it won't run out " its not available to all though and it does still change. I advise on a forum and someone's monthly direct debit was changed to twice what they had agreed | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few. Then trust can fuck it up like British coal, steel, railways, Leyland, buses . Fuck no "It's not the 60's/70's anymore though. It would be easy to run efficient, not for profit services if they wanted to. Same with housing. But 'profit'........ | |||
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"Yes bills are high but the government handed money to people to cover the bills , but people took the money and spent it on non essential items, I know first hand people that people were getting Botox and hair extensions with these payments, and at the time the energy companies couldn’t do anything about it and had to suck it up , now the rules have been overturned and the energy companies can intervene again "  | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, " I’m sat here mulling the same. Utilities expensive Water companies on the rampage Trains shit Buses non-existent Post Office going under (I knew the Horizon scandal would be an excuse for something) NHS struggling to cope Councils going bust What the hell have we done to this country? Needs a rethink. | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few. Then trust can fuck it up like British coal, steel, railways, Leyland, buses . Fuck no
It's not the 60's/70's anymore though.
It would be easy to run efficient, not for profit services if they wanted to.
Same with housing.
But 'profit'........"I’m not a fan of nationalising things but there could be far better legislation for how utility companies operate and charge, it would also benefit governments with the potential to increase revenues. | |||
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"Yes bills are high but the government handed money to people to cover the bills , but people took the money and spent it on non essential items, I know first hand people that people were getting Botox and hair extensions with these payments, and at the time the energy companies couldn’t do anything about it and had to suck it up , now the rules have been overturned and the energy companies can intervene again " Cover the bills of £3k or more with £150 grant that goes straight to your provider. Where is £150 going to cover.. Heating my backside | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news" Respecting pronouns keeps the lights on  | |||
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"Tbh I've rarely had my heating on, even when it went down to -4°. The joy of being in a flat above someone who seems to have theirs on 24/7. Heat rises...... But yes. Energy prices are a joke and the standing charge makes up the bulk of my bill. How they can justify charging the rates they dobregardless of whether you're a tiny studio flat or a 6 bed house is insane. Costs should be related to usage, not just a daily charge for supplying a service that often isn't even used much. " It's very expensive to adequately heat a 3 bed 1980s bungalow, with one disabled occupant who has serious heat and cold control issues. I simultaneous have Raynaud's in my hands and feet and despite thermal socks and boots indoors, my feet are always freezing. But the rest of me is very variable due to menopause. It's bonkers  | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news" It is fine isn't for us to pay for mps bills on 2nd homes and wages of £90k expenses of £122k all on us working for government salaries Ask them for my money back.. | |||
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"Respecting pronouns keeps the lights on "Why bring that up? What has that to do With anything? | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news" im sorry but many have to go back the old way the ones i feel sorry for are the ones who live in flats, as they cant do anything. old way is fire out get a wood stove and burn init for warmth. cookjng well they could use a rocket stove as it will cook pans and heat up pies. theres candle heaters nowadays but be very aware of the fumes as the candles can burn up all of the oxygen in the room. | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few. Then trust can fuck it up like British coal, steel, railways, Leyland, buses . Fuck no
It's not the 60's/70's anymore though.
It would be easy to run efficient, not for profit services if they wanted to.
Same with housing.
But 'profit'........
I’m not a fan of nationalising things but there could be far better legislation for how utility companies operate and charge, it would also benefit governments with the potential to increase revenues. "You don't have to nationalise though. Just run services on a 'not for profit' basis. Social Housing is a perfect example. Rents are massively cheaper than the private sector. Surplus income could easily be reinvested in new stock and affordable housing provision, yet every developer sticks to the minimum % of affordable housing required to get planning consent. The same could easily be done with energy, water and transport. If there was the will..... | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank" You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast  | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast "Of course and buying expensive coffee | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news im sorry but many have to go back the old way the ones i feel sorry for are the ones who live in flats, as they cant do anything. old way is fire out get a wood stove and burn init for warmth. cookjng well they could use a rocket stove as it will cook pans and heat up pies. theres candle heaters nowadays but be very aware of the fumes as the candles can burn up all of the oxygen in the room." It's 2024! How is anyone going to keep a couple of toddlers warm with a candle heater? | |||
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"But yes. Energy prices are a joke and the standing charge makes up the bulk of my bill. How they can justify charging the rates they do." As goes for the standing charge the energy companies used to come out and read your meter. nowadays its all estimated reading and you provide the meter reading whilst that standing charge goes up. Martin lewis dosnt argue this point up. we all earn so if eberyone charged for there time to do the energy suppliers job lets say 10.00 an hr. you would be demanding this payment back from the supplier why should they get it for free as thats what your doing by supplying them it. as goes for estimates strange no one else can get paid for estimates but the energy suppliers can get paid and cut you off as they say you owe them money. if you want to mention the smart metter think about this. your bill + the standing charge + the meter companys collection charge of the data theyve collected. Businesses already get this charge imagine it being on the public household supply. so thats 3 charges for sitting on there backsides coining it in. | |||
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"theres candle heaters nowadays but be very aware of the fumes as the candles can burn up all of the oxygen in the room. It's 2024! How is anyone going to keep a couple of toddlers warm with a candle heater? " 3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. as goes for protecting them well we all used fire guards to protect the children same thing really | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast
Of course and buying expensive coffee "Don't forget give up Netflix. That should mean they can buy a house too | |||
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"Yes bills are high but the government handed money to people to cover the bills , but people took the money and spent it on non essential items, I know first hand people that people were getting Botox and hair extensions with these payments, That just reads like the comment section in the Daily Fail. " I do love you! | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast "And not buy a stanley cup  | |||
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"theres candle heaters nowadays but be very aware of the fumes as the candles can burn up all of the oxygen in the room. It's 2024! How is anyone going to keep a couple of toddlers warm with a candle heater? 3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. as goes for protecting them well we all used fire guards to protect the children same thing really " What's a non electric fan heater? | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. as goes for protecting them well we all used fire guards to protect the children same thing really What's a non electric fan heater? " a stove fan as uses heat to blow hot air around the room lidl sells them for 29.00 posted a youtube link above | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast
Of course and buying expensive coffee
Don't forget give up Netflix. That should mean they can buy a house too "Bloody poor people, paying exorbitant rent and getting by on minimum wage. | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. as goes for protecting them well we all used fire guards to protect the children same thing really What's a non electric fan heater? a stove fan as uses heat to blow hot air around the room lidl sells them for 29.00 posted a youtube link above" I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. Also people aren't heating their homes because they have no money to do so. Even £29 is beyond many people's reach before you add the fireguard and cost of candles in to heat one room. Practical, workable, accessible solutions are needed | |||
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"When i was 17 I lived alone in a tiny house with card meters and I never had enough for the week. I adopted a 1 day on, 1 day off system where I would try not to use anything for a day. I used to do the same with food, 1 day eat, 1 day dont. Then as I got older, I got better jobs and climbed the career ladder, it made me appreciate what I had even more. Being broke certainly motivated me to work hard and keep going for better jobs with better pay. I didn't have family who were willing to help so I had to do it myself. Sometimes you just have to help yourself and not blame everyone or everything around you. Mr" Top advice. | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. " It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. | |||
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"When i was 17 I lived alone in a tiny house with card meters and I never had enough for the week. I adopted a 1 day on, 1 day off system where I would try not to use anything for a day. I used to do the same with food, 1 day eat, 1 day dont. Then as I got older, I got better jobs and climbed the career ladder, it made me appreciate what I had even more. Being broke certainly motivated me to work hard and keep going for better jobs with better pay. I didn't have family who were willing to help so I had to do it myself. Sometimes you just have to help yourself and not blame everyone or everything around you. Mr" Sometimes you do that's true but there are also people who are doing everything right and are still struggling very badly. There isn't one stereotypical 'poor person' who is feckless and lazy with no motivation | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. as goes for protecting them well we all used fire guards to protect the children same thing really What's a non electric fan heater? a stove fan as uses heat to blow hot air around the room lidl sells them for 29.00 posted a youtube link above I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. Also people aren't heating their homes because they have no money to do so. Even £29 is beyond many people's reach before you add the fireguard and cost of candles in to heat one room. Practical, workable, accessible solutions are needed " Also remember, electric is 3x as expensive as gas roughly Electric heaters are 99% efficient So even the best of the best plug in heater is going to be more expensive that turning the boiler on (if you have gas central heating) Don’t be tricked by advertising | |||
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"When i was 17 I lived alone in a tiny house with card meters and I never had enough for the week. I adopted a 1 day on, 1 day off system where I would try not to use anything for a day. I used to do the same with food, 1 day eat, 1 day dont. Then as I got older, I got better jobs and climbed the career ladder, it made me appreciate what I had even more. Being broke certainly motivated me to work hard and keep going for better jobs with better pay. I didn't have family who were willing to help so I had to do it myself. Sometimes you just have to help yourself and not blame everyone or everything around you. Mr" Good post. We lived in the midlands and had 2 gas fires (dining room and lounge) for the whole house. No other heating. At the time it was strange going to mates and feeling the warmth in their central heated bedrooms. Like you, I really appreciate what we have now. We still had a happy childhood and the cold really did not bother us. | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. " I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. as goes for protecting them well we all used fire guards to protect the children same thing really What's a non electric fan heater? a stove fan as uses heat to blow hot air around the room lidl sells them for 29.00 posted a youtube link above I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. Also people aren't heating their homes because they have no money to do so. Even £29 is beyond many people's reach before you add the fireguard and cost of candles in to heat one room. Practical, workable, accessible solutions are needed Also remember, electric is 3x as expensive as gas roughly Electric heaters are 99% efficient So even the best of the best plug in heater is going to be more expensive that turning the boiler on (if you have gas central heating) Don’t be tricked by advertising " Sorry I misread that. It’s powered by candles? I’d need to research that to see if the candies are cheaper than just using the heating | |||
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but we do have to have leadership that's more in touch with those at the bottom of society.
Very different priorities are needed | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue" I can't believe the poor are blamed every time for being victims of an oppressive system, yet they are. Blaming the victims is never a good look. I'm shocked by some of the attitudes I see expressed on this forum sometimes, and deeply saddened by it. | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue I can't believe the poor are blamed every time for being victims of an oppressive system, yet they are. Blaming the victims is never a good look. I'm shocked by some of the attitudes I see expressed on this forum sometimes, and deeply saddened by it." Poor people have been blamed for being poor since forever. Just look at the old Poor Laws etc. | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. Sorry I misread that. It’s powered by candles? I’d need to research that to see if the candies are cheaper than just using the heating " just for your knowledge 20 4hr candles is 1.79p, tealight candles that is thats 80hrs worth at 1p per hr | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue I can't believe the poor are blamed every time for being victims of an oppressive system, yet they are. Blaming the victims is never a good look. I'm shocked by some of the attitudes I see expressed on this forum sometimes, and deeply saddened by it. Poor people have been blamed for being poor since forever. Just look at the old Poor Laws etc. " I know. It's long past time that changed. The poor are victims of capitalism and the greed of those with power. Nearly every "self made" person achieved their "success" by exploiting others. | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue" Exactly. And it’s because of this attitude the perpetrators get away with their theft. | |||
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"What can the poor do? Start burning Tories for heat and energy. Things would soon start changing if the right people were held accountable. The French would be building guillotines by now." Burning tories. Smells sweet  | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I don’t know Tom what can you do to combat this????? The Lord Helps Them who Help Themselves... Does he thought Tom does he really or is that just a quote from a religious numpty and all through history there have been plenty of those. T" It's from a 1600/1700 year old work of fiction. | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. Sorry I misread that. It’s powered by candles? I’d need to research that to see if the candies are cheaper than just using the heating just for your knowledge 20 4hr candles is 1.79p, tealight candles that is thats 80hrs worth at 1p per hr" That useless info without knowing the heat output per cost vs the cost of a gas boiler You also have an extra fire risk And a massively increased level of co2 in the house which is not good for long term health And that’s not even including soot | |||
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" I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. Also people aren't heating their homes because they have no money to do so. Even £29 is beyond many people's reach before you add the fireguard and cost of candles in to heat one room. Practical, workable, accessible solutions are needed " this only goes for people who still have chimneys whilst i can take out the gasfire and install a woodstove its not viable for many others dont attempt to fit a woodstove with gas firelined chimneys they will shatter. as i can swap back to the old emmersion heater system heated by a wood stove, known as a heat store nowadays. be very aware of the ban on wood stoves as you need to use secondary air systems. but boilers can be fitted to them. the ones who cant are the ones in flats and its these people i feel sorry for. whilst the candle heater is a viable solution its advisable to use air from the outside and an exit of the fumes, also known as wall storage heater as they was cast iron. no matter which way you go money has to be spent logs are 70/90.00 or free in my case | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue" Is the point that we were much happier then. Cuddling under eiderdowns and pudding your head under the blankets to warm the bed with your own warm breathing. We had an outdoor toilet and it was at the bottom of the garden. Nobody ever complained | |||
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"The poor should’ve had the good sense to be born to wealthier parents, if they can’t even get that right why should we subsidise them?" Are there no workhouses? No prisons?! | |||
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"3 8hr candles put out 200f into a non electric fan heater. Sorry I misread that. It’s powered by candles? I’d need to research that to see if the candies are cheaper than just using the heating just for your knowledge 20 4hr candles is 1.79p, tealight candles that is thats 80hrs worth at 1p per hr That useless info without knowing the heat output per cost vs the cost of a gas boiler You also have an extra fire risk And a massively increased level of co2 in the house which is not good for long term health And that’s not even including soot " you should get your boiler serviced yearly but it dosnt need to be but it stil gets sooty as goes for your comment fire risk/ co2 the old gas cast iron wall heaters did the same as below vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnayOUQN28 fresh air in fumes out same thing really your only loading the unit with the door and it has a fire rope seal to it same as a wood stove gas btu to candle btu is the same as electric btu to gas btu whilst we know electric is expensive to heat water its not 100 percent it is for so long and then it gets a coating on the elements and reduced | |||
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"The poor should’ve had the good sense to be born to wealthier parents, if they can’t even get that right why should we subsidise them? Are there no workhouses? No prisons?! " Exactly, people these days with their fancy human rights and not wanting to live in poverty, they’ll be saying they’re too good to have rickets next. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing "
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue Is the point that we were much happier then. Cuddling under eiderdowns and pudding your head under the blankets to warm the bed with your own warm breathing. We had an outdoor toilet and it was at the bottom of the garden. Nobody ever complained" for a long time people used wood fires in chimneys add a back boiler to this and you gain central heating or hot water tank. copper pipe was expensive in them days steel was cheaper and steam central heating still exists even in todays market add a hot water tank and you gain both central heating and hot water. nowadays its been rip it out and replace with a boiler gain the airing cupboard back its got to the stage is it worth going back to the old system again some can do it some cant | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few. Then trust can fuck it up like British coal, steel, railways, Leyland, buses . Fuck no "Add to that Water, Gas and Electricity and you are spot on. | |||
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"Costs should be related to usage, not just a daily charge for supplying a service that often isn't even used much. " I welcome this idea I have no drains or gutters by my house, no streetlights for about a mile, no kids to send to school, no bus stop for about 2 miles to subsidise, the police rarely even drive past and the council turn up once a year to mow the verges, only when they get too big to walk the path (which isn’t even a properly laid and maintained footpath. Basically, I’m paying around £2k per year to get the fucking bin emptied and I work away half the time - all based on some theoretical property value from 1992 ?? Time to charge people for each occupant of a property and what they consume, not some random value I’ve already be buttfucked with stamp duty for | |||
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"Costs should be related to usage, not just a daily charge for supplying a service that often isn't even used much. I welcome this idea I have no drains or gutters by my house, no streetlights for about a mile, no kids to send to school, no bus stop for about 2 miles to subsidise, the police rarely even drive past and the council turn up once a year to mow the verges, only when they get too big to walk the path (which isn’t even a properly laid and maintained footpath. Basically, I’m paying around £2k per year to get the fucking bin emptied and I work away half the time - all based on some theoretical property value from 1992 ?? Time to charge people for each occupant of a property and what they consume, not some random value I’ve already be buttfucked with stamp duty for" 1991 actually. But not sure what council tax has to do with gas and electric prices | |||
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"Costs should be related to usage, not just a daily charge for supplying a service that often isn't even used much. I welcome this idea I have no drains or gutters by my house, no streetlights for about a mile, no kids to send to school, no bus stop for about 2 miles to subsidise, the police rarely even drive past and the council turn up once a year to mow the verges, only when they get too big to walk the path (which isn’t even a properly laid and maintained footpath. Basically, I’m paying around £2k per year to get the fucking bin emptied and I work away half the time - all based on some theoretical property value from 1992 ?? Time to charge people for each occupant of a property and what they consume, not some random value I’ve already be buttfucked with stamp duty for 1991 actually. But not sure what council tax has to do with gas and electric prices" Costs should be related to useage? | |||
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"Costs should be related to usage, not just a daily charge for supplying a service that often isn't even used much. I welcome this idea I have no drains or gutters by my house, no streetlights for about a mile, no kids to send to school, no bus stop for about 2 miles to subsidise, the police rarely even drive past and the council turn up once a year to mow the verges, only when they get too big to walk the path (which isn’t even a properly laid and maintained footpath. Basically, I’m paying around £2k per year to get the fucking bin emptied and I work away half the time - all based on some theoretical property value from 1992 ?? Time to charge people for each occupant of a property and what they consume, not some random value I’ve already be buttfucked with stamp duty for" Probably costs them 2k in fuel to get to your bins by the sounds of it  | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue Is the point that we were much happier then. Cuddling under eiderdowns and pudding your head under the blankets to warm the bed with your own warm breathing. We had an outdoor toilet and it was at the bottom of the garden. Nobody ever complained" I wasn't around in 1824 Tom despite being an ancient old crone . No poor people were not happier then. They were cold, hungry, ill, underweight, constantly damp in the winter and riddled with lice in the summer. If they weren't complaining it was because they were too damn tired | |||
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"Yes bills are high but the government handed money to people to cover the bills , but people took the money and spent it on non essential items, I know first hand people that people were getting Botox and hair extensions with these payments, and at the time the energy companies couldn’t do anything about it and had to suck it up , now the rules have been overturned and the energy companies can intervene again " That will be a fraction of people who needed the money to stay warm and healthy. It's comments like this and ridiculous documentaries about disabled people claiming benefits that fuels the Government's push to take money from people who need it most, to give to people who don't. | |||
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"I've looked at that clip. I genuinely don't believe it's the answer. It is not the answer! The soot is bad enough. I can't believe that in 2024 we're advising people to live as they did in 1824 and portraying it as a virtue Is the point that we were much happier then. Cuddling under eiderdowns and pudding your head under the blankets to warm the bed with your own warm breathing. We had an outdoor toilet and it was at the bottom of the garden. Nobody ever complained I wasn't around in 1824 Tom despite being an ancient old crone . No poor people were not happier then. They were cold, hungry, ill, underweight, constantly damp in the winter and riddled with lice in the summer. If they weren't complaining it was because they were too damn tired"And they were dying. Dead people can't work and contribute to the economy. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing " We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. " The idea that workhouses were warm | |||
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"I just don't think charities is the answer. People want to more often than not be self sufficient. The environment doesn't always allow that in the uk, for venture capitalism has allowed everything to be held to ransom, even stuff you consider basic is now making a few very rich (pointlessly so) and giving many a poor experience " Like I said, give people the opportunity to live decently they will work for it. But some aren't able to obtain some 'basic' things because of a lot to do with stuff like greed, shame and prejudice. Too many compare the past with now like it's a beating stick of how to be or not, the past is not relevant in this because things aren't the same. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. The idea that workhouses were warm "Almost as daft an idea as one proposing they are an acceptable solution to todays cost of living crisis.. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. The idea that workhouses were warm "They had a coffee machine too, you know. | |||
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"So what is to be done about the great unwashed (of which I have been one in my time)?" Investment might be a start, but that's not a popular idea with certain red tops and the establishment which profits from a society where the likes of policies such as zero hours contracts etc deliver more.. From someone who once slept three to a bed under an old greatcoat.. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. The idea that workhouses were warm
Almost as daft an idea as one proposing they are an acceptable solution to todays cost of living crisis..
"Why do daft ? We are proposing a modern workplace for for a modern world. People who are not managing money well could be paid daily. A heated, warm environment with air con for the summer, a breakfast and lunch and a feeling of purpose with everyone working together to produce. People of all backgrounds and abilities, catering for the sick, the lame and even the lazy. It's got to better than we have now. The stigma is only in the name workhouse. The idea just needs rebranding. Community Resourced Support Units or something similar. There are those with open minds but many with minds closed to progress. Be a trawler and not a seagull.. | |||
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"Yes it doesn’t help having Parliament full of old Etonians and the odd Billionaire scattered about. Utterly detached from reality. " . Whose 'reality'? I believe the majority of the population do not struggle to heat their homes. They may find it expensive and grumble about it but are not unable to pay their bills. M | |||
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"So what is to be done about the great unwashed (of which I have been one in my time)? Investment might be a start, but that's not a popular idea with certain red tops and the establishment which profits from a society where the likes of policies such as zero hours contracts etc deliver more.. From someone who once slept three to a bed under an old greatcoat.." I think you're right. We used to sleep under dad's big coat, I could hardly move from the weight if it . | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. The idea that workhouses were warm
Almost as daft an idea as one proposing they are an acceptable solution to todays cost of living crisis..
Why do daft ? We are proposing a modern workplace for for a modern world. People who are not managing money well could be paid daily. A heated, warm environment with air con for the summer, a breakfast and lunch and a feeling of purpose with everyone working together to produce. People of all backgrounds and abilities, catering for the sick, the lame and even the lazy. It's got to better than we have now. The stigma is only in the name workhouse. The idea just needs rebranding. Community Resourced Support Units or something similar. There are those with open minds but many with minds closed to progress. Be a trawler and not a seagull.."That's not progress though is it Tom | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing We get cheaper stuff from overseas workhouses that pay children a pittance to do these jobs. The idea that workhouses were warm
Almost as daft an idea as one proposing they are an acceptable solution to todays cost of living crisis..
Why do daft ? We are proposing a modern workplace for for a modern world. People who are not managing money well could be paid daily. A heated, warm environment with air con for the summer, a breakfast and lunch and a feeling of purpose with everyone working together to produce. People of all backgrounds and abilities, catering for the sick, the lame and even the lazy. It's got to better than we have now. The stigma is only in the name workhouse. The idea just needs rebranding. Community Resourced Support Units or something similar. There are those with open minds but many with minds closed to progress. Be a trawler and not a seagull.."Despite that overly long response you've not thought it through properly Tom.. But fair play for attempting to justify something so ridiculous it was rightly stopped many decades ago.. | |||
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"So what is to be done about the great unwashed (of which I have been one in my time)? Investment might be a start, but that's not a popular idea with certain red tops and the establishment which profits from a society where the likes of policies such as zero hours contracts etc deliver more.. From someone who once slept three to a bed under an old greatcoat.. I think you're right. We used to sleep under dad's big coat, I could hardly move from the weight if it . "On a horse hair mattress too, not sure which stank the most .. | |||
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"So what is to be done about the great unwashed (of which I have been one in my time)?" They need to stop being so unwashed, and stop being so poor doing things that poor people do....like eat, breathe and get blamed for their own demise.... Maybe we need to open the pits again and send the poor down there to work for eleventy hundred hours a day....need to poop - you can't you're too poor...Get down that pit. Meanwhile those in power just get even more rich and powerful by the votes of the great unwashed who think 'Ooh better the devil you know' | |||
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"You were spoiled! I used to share a lump of coal and an orange with my 17 siblings and I were grateful!" You had an orange? Luxury.. | |||
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"You were spoiled! I used to share a lump of coal and an orange with my 17 siblings and I were grateful! You had an orange? Luxury.."  finally! | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! " All 800,000 mentioned in the op are doing those thing? Blimey! | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! " Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol "We had ice on the inside of our windows too. I wouldn't go back to those days for all the tea in china. It's easy to romanticise it but it was not nice at the time | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol
We had ice on the inside of our windows too. I wouldn't go back to those days for all the tea in china. It's easy to romanticise it but it was not nice at the time "Your the one angry and defensive im just say I remember those days | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol
We had ice on the inside of our windows too. I wouldn't go back to those days for all the tea in china. It's easy to romanticise it but it was not nice at the time
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol
We had ice on the inside of our windows too. I wouldn't go back to those days for all the tea in china. It's easy to romanticise it but it was not nice at the time
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol "I was lucky that my parents didn't want us to freeze so my dad installed gas fires in three of the bedrooms and one at the bottom of the stairs. | |||
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"Have they tried being less poor? Plebs " what if no fault of their own...did u think about that | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol
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"Have they tried being less poor? Plebs what if no fault of their own...did u think about that" And that went right over your head didn't it! | |||
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"Yes bills are high but the government handed money to people to cover the bills , but people took the money and spent it on non essential items, I know first hand people that people were getting Botox and hair extensions with these payments, and at the time the energy companies couldn’t do anything about it and had to suck it up , now the rules have been overturned and the energy companies can intervene again " Some maybe, but not all spent it on non essentials! | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol
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"Stop paying for illegals in hotels and redirect to our own needy. " Oh dear. I'm always amazed when people spout this nonsense openly. | |||
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"Unfortunately we live in a country with the worst housing stock in Europe. Until we get a government who will deal with that we are all going to be paying a fortune to heat the outside. We have the ability to properly insulate the homes but nothing gets done. A few years ago there was a plan to improve house insulation by 10% every time it changed ownership but the government abandoned it because it might loose them votes! The social and private rental housing stock has to meet minimum EPC levels or they can't be rented out. That is due to be improved shortly but only by a very small amount, again because the government are frightened of the landlords! "The way social landlords are retrofitting insulation isn't the best, though. It's actually exacerbating issues like condensation and damp, rather than alleviating it. | |||
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"Stop paying for illegals in hotels and redirect to our own needy. Oh dear. I'm always amazed when people spout this nonsense openly." I wish I was amazed, it happens so often these days though. Mr DD | |||
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"Burn the poor it'll keep us rich folks warmer instead of us having to burn bundles of £50 notes "Won't need that soon, be able to bask in the glow of the hot air as were told once again by those desperate to hang into power just how bloody lucky we are to have them looking after us.. | |||
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"I don't see any virtue in saying that a proportion of the population should live like we did then and the only reason given is 'it didn't do us any harm' while someone else is saying we need to make progress by suggesting we bring back workhouses. " Also, we do now know that it did indeed do us harm. So why would we wish harm on others when we have the ability to not have that harm affect anyone at all? | |||
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"Stop paying for illegals in hotels and redirect to our own needy. Oh dear. I'm always amazed when people spout this nonsense openly. I wish I was amazed, it happens so often these days though. Mr DD" It's the 'look at the bar man over there' distraction technique. Doesn't that money come from our overseas aid budget anyway so wouldn't be redistributed here? | |||
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"Burn the poor it'll keep us rich folks warmer instead of us having to burn bundles of £50 notes
Won't need that soon, be able to bask in the glow of the hot air as were told once again by those desperate to hang into power just how bloody lucky we are to have them looking after us..
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few. This 1000000% Other countries manage with nationalised energy, utility and transport services, which provide much lower costs and improved quality of services. Sadly we have tories and shareholders. "Yep….The FLAGSHAGGERS never see the irony that it is FOREIGNERS & other governments that own OUR infrastructure and still have the Brass neck to say Privatisation was a success! | |||
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, I’m sat here mulling the same. Utilities expensive Water companies on the rampage Trains shit Buses non-existent Post Office going under (I knew the Horizon scandal would be an excuse for something) NHS struggling to cope Councils going bust What the hell have we done to this country? Needs a rethink. " The sad thing is the lunatics are running asylum & our political system needs a life saving enema to purge itself of our political classes obsession with THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING & THE VALUE OF NOTHING. | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! Made me smile thinking of my childhood. We had no central heating and no double glazing. Like you said im winter the bedroom windows were frozen on the inside. My mum used to tell me jackfrost had been in my room again . I had that many sheets and blankets that if there had been a fire i would probably still be trying to get out of them now lol
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"There needs to be re-nationalisaton of essential utilities. There needs to be a country run by business minds that are experts in their field, not cronies from Eton. There needs to be actual accountability. But its not going to happen while the power remains with those devoid of morals." The SAME ‘business minds’ who have run this country for nearly 50 years? The SAME business ‘brains’ who tanked the British Economy through ideological Austerity through their pursuit of the elusive Thatcherite wet dream? The SAME f***ing IDIOTS who think you can transmute shit into gold? | |||
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"Unfortunately we live in a country with the worst housing stock in Europe. Until we get a government who will deal with that we are all going to be paying a fortune to heat the outside. We have the ability to properly insulate the homes but nothing gets done. A few years ago there was a plan to improve house insulation by 10% every time it changed ownership but the government abandoned it because it might loose them votes! The social and private rental housing stock has to meet minimum EPC levels or they can't be rented out. That is due to be improved shortly but only by a very small amount, again because the government are frightened of the landlords!
The way social landlords are retrofitting insulation isn't the best, though. It's actually exacerbating issues like condensation and damp, rather than alleviating it. "That’s because the government is forcing upgrades to insulation without forcing better ventilation More insulation in older houses will always cause humidity issues if the ventilation isn’t also upgrades | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news" I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now "And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ... | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ... "Jesus Christ, Tom. Have a bit of sensitivity. | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ... "Poor show Tom.. Fucking awful thing to say to someone.. I'll leave it there because you simply aren't worth the consequences of telling you what I think.. | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ... "If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month? | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
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"Anything essential to life should be nationalised and run for the benefit of all, rather than abused to make huge profits for the few." Well said Continuous governments devolving responsibility as they are election swayers. Exactly what they are doing with NHS it’s not just tories , lab/lib are no different | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?"Ignore his comments, Super Shy. We wish things were better for you and others in your position | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?"Apologies if you have taken offence supershy. | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy. "Well that's a non-apology. An apology would be sorry I said that offensive thing, not sorry if you have taken offence. And it was a very offensive thing you said. | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy.
Well that's a non-apology.
An apology would be sorry I said that offensive thing, not sorry if you have taken offence.
And it was a very offensive thing you said."Then I apologise unreservedly to shy. | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy.
Well that's a non-apology.
An apology would be sorry I said that offensive thing, not sorry if you have taken offence.
And it was a very offensive thing you said.
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy. "It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec... How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110 I'm not looking for sympathy either I'm looking for ideas | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy.
It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol
But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec...
How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110
I'm not looking for sympathy either
I'm looking for ideas "It's impossible. | |||
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" It's impossible. " But it can't be impossible because people have to do it. | |||
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"......... How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110 I'm not looking for sympathy either I'm looking for ideas ". If you call the water and utility companies and have proof of your struggle with their bill, I believe you can get a discount. As for the internet, if you need it and aren't relying only on your mobile data, some of the providers offer deals fixed at a low price. I believe Virgin and Vodafone have this offer. I'm sorry but I don't recall what the scheme is called. Use gas whenever you can instead of electricity. Boiling your water with a saucepan on a gas stove costs less than using a kettle. If you use a kettle, measure what you need and boil that rather than filling the kettle randomly. M | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy.
It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol
But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec...
How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110
I'm not looking for sympathy either
I'm looking for ideas
It's impossible. "At least you’re not suggesting the workhouse. | |||
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"......... How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110 I'm not looking for sympathy either I'm looking for ideas
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If you call the water and utility companies and have proof of your struggle with their bill, I believe you can get a discount.
As for the internet, if you need it and aren't relying only on your mobile data, some of the providers offer deals fixed at a low price. I believe Virgin and Vodafone have this offer. I'm sorry but I don't recall what the scheme is called.
Use gas whenever you can instead of electricity. Boiling your water with a saucepan on a gas stove costs less than using a kettle. If you use a kettle, measure what you need and boil that rather than filling the kettle randomly.
M"I'm already on the lowest tariff for gas and elec, it's the meter charge which is stupidly high. When I use the searches all the companies that compare say not to switch. I have the lowest that plusenet can offer, but at least they've guaranteed it won't go up in March. I don't own a kettle lol I don't drink tea or coffee but I do try to cook efficiently but everything is electric, boiler is gas for rads It's the sanitary needs and toilet roll, soap, and using the washing machine if ive floo*** through that kills my budget  | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy.
It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol
But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec...
How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110
I'm not looking for sympathy either
I'm looking for ideas "You probably don't want to use them but is there a community pantry nearby or a hygiene bank? | |||
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"The Citizens Advice Bureau say that about 800,000 people went over 24hrs without gas and electric this winter because they could not afford to top up the meter. What more can the poor do to combat this. It's all over the news I was one of them. I had no electricity for 3 days which meant no heating. I had used the emergency credit too. I have a budget for essentials I have cut out luxuries and I'm still left with zero so I don't have a answer right now
And as a stakeholder in this, would you welcome back the workhouses ...
If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom
Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month?
Apologies if you have taken offence supershy.
It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol
But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec...
How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110
I'm not looking for sympathy either
I'm looking for ideas "this is only a suggestion shy but have you phoned the CAB yourself to see if you are claiming everything you can as you have I’ll health & unable to work don’t mean any offensive but be sure your not missing out on any help out there that could help you x | |||
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"I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70's when we had no central heating, no gas in the village, no double glazing and guess what? We survived. We used to wake up in the morning with frost on the inside of the bedroom windows. The only heat source we had came from an open fire which basically took the chill of the place as most of the heat went straight up the chimney! To combat these conditions we wore more clothes, slept under heavier duvets and kept moving instead of sitting still watching TV, staring at smart phones, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 50 plus years later and I'm still here so it clearly never affected me too much ! People are far too soft these days !! " ive split the above post the upstairs was warmed by the chimney fire usually parents bedroom but was only 60 percent efficent the above has been replaced with central heating as gas was cheaper chimneys ripped out as no longer needed same with the emersion heater and back boilers the trip to the toilet was cold even worse for the outside toilet warmed by a lantern to stop it from freezing. if you thought going to a cold bathroom was bad no the trip to an outside toilet was freezing cocks and freezing buttocks that could stick to the toilet seat whilst these did exist in them days watching TV, drinking alcohol and taking drugs. its now replaced with tv in each room mobile phone has become a fashion object ive already had the argument with my daughter that thinks mobile phone, internet and facebook comes first digital by default didnt exist and just another charge to be added that many didnt have in that time but they are expected to have in this day and age. no phone means you cant claim anymore but yet you cannot afford one | |||
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" If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month? Apologies if you have taken offence supershy. It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec... How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110 I'm not looking for sympathy either I'm looking for ideas "Whilst the ladies do use more in toilet roll and sanitary ware its something a man dosnt have to consider you say mobile phone and you have to have a phoneline well my comment would be one has to go either house phone or mobile phone as you cant have both and expect payment for it gas and electric was always the opposite way for me 17 for gas and 14 for electric you use less in summer on both | |||
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"As for the internet, if you need it and aren't relying only on your mobile data, some of the providers offer deals fixed at a low price. I believe Virgin and Vodafone have this offer. I'm sorry but I don't recall what the scheme is called. Use gas whenever you can instead of electricity. Boiling your water with a saucepan on a gas stove costs less than using a kettle. If you use a kettle, measure what you need and boil that rather than filling the kettle randomly. M" for internet you can get a good enough payg nowadays 12.00 via giff gaff for 25gb of data and a months worth of phonecalls or 10.00 with only 3gb of data and a months worth of phonecalls no contract needed no phoneline rental either as goes for your kettle boiling its far cheaper to use that on your heating than its to boil a kettle at least with a kettle you can boil an egg in it instead of taking longer with gas | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast
Of course and buying expensive coffee
Don't forget give up Netflix. That should mean they can buy a house too "Introduce an ignorance tax for everyone who refers to ' My electricity (noun)' as ' Me electric(adjective)' and add supertax for using the word 'lecky' which must have come from watching too much Brookside. That should raise revenue for the state as well as going some way towards raising linguistic standards. Unfortunately I will get branded a leftie by all those who are happy getting ripped off by the Tories' mates, otherwise I, also, would be clamouring for re-nationalisation. | |||
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"The poor can't do anything to combat this although I suspect there will be suggestions of 'manage their money better' and low rumblings of wide screen tvs and the latest trainers, smoking, drinking and taxis to the food bank You forgot, they need to give up eating avocado toast
Of course and buying expensive coffee
Don't forget give up Netflix. That should mean they can buy a house too
Introduce an ignorance tax for everyone who refers to ' My electricity (noun)' as ' Me electric(adjective)' and add supertax for using the word 'lecky' which must have come from watching too much Brookside. That should raise revenue for the state as well as going some way towards raising linguistic standards.
Unfortunately I will get branded a leftie by all those who are happy getting ripped off by the Tories' mates, otherwise I, also, would be clamouring for re-nationalisation."I wouldn't brand you a 'leftie' for being unkind about people's spelling. I would brand you something far less pleasant. | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing " I can't figure out whether you are trying to wind people up or actually believe what you are saying. Workhouses were not normally warm, but it sounds like the name may have changed as we now have warm banks for people to go to if they can't afford to heat their homes and more people are going to food banks because they can't feed themselves or their children. Scurvy, rickets and malutrition is on the up. Bills across the board have gone up so much that people are losing their homes. There is a cost of living crisis in this country and you are commenting on people being paid for doing nothing so should sew mailbags and make pegs. It sounds like a headline in a famous paper that likes to create division. A bit of info...around 43% of people who claim UC are actually in work so they couldn't go there in working hours at least. If the firms they work for paid a decent wage they wouldn't need to claim UC and be called lazy/ scroungers etc.... but no one ever talks about the big companies who are effectivley taking money off the Government by being subsidised. I personally think this is worse than hard working people trying to make ends meet on rubbish wages as they are paying people wages so low that they can't live on it. I suppose it doesn't matter though as long as the big companies can make their huge profits. I know there will be some people who will abuse the system but I can never understand the lack of emphathy around when subjects like this come round. There for the grace of god go I and all that, lets hope the people who have no empathy don't need end up in the same position | |||
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" If I was in a better position physically I would do anything to have electric to be able to cook food Tom Tell me, how would you budget living on £274 a month? Apologies if you have taken offence supershy. It'll take a lot more to offend me Tom, and the other posters thank you, hold off from flogging him lol But I would like to know how you'd budget 274 for a months worth of pre pay card and key gas and elec, water, food, separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Don't forget the meter charges, 14 for gas and 17 for elec... How would you budget gas/elec/water and food for £110 I'm not looking for sympathy either I'm looking for ideas
Whilst the ladies do use more in toilet roll and sanitary ware its something a man dosnt have to consider
you say mobile phone and you have to have a phoneline well my comment would be one has to go either house phone or mobile phone as you cant have both and expect payment for it
gas and electric was always the opposite way for me 17 for gas and 14 for electric you use less in summer on both"Can't take a landlines when I go for my walk. It's my security. Gas and elec meter charge doesn't change in different seasons, so that's 31 for the meter and then the actual top up | |||
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing I can't figure out whether you are trying to wind people up or actually believe what you are saying. Workhouses were not normally warm, but it sounds like the name may have changed as we now have warm banks for people to go to if they can't afford to heat their homes and more people are going to food banks because they can't feed themselves or their children. Scurvy, rickets and malutrition is on the up. Bills across the board have gone up so much that people are losing their homes. There is a cost of living crisis in this country and you are commenting on people being paid for doing nothing so should sew mailbags and make pegs. It sounds like a headline in a famous paper that likes to create division. A bit of info...around 43% of people who claim UC are actually in work so they couldn't go there in working hours at least. If the firms they work for paid a decent wage they wouldn't need to claim UC and be called lazy/ scroungers etc.... but no one ever talks about the big companies who are effectivley taking money off the Government by being subsidised. I personally think this is worse than hard working people trying to make ends meet on rubbish wages as they are paying people wages so low that they can't live on it. I suppose it doesn't matter though as long as the big companies can make their huge profits. I know there will be some people who will abuse the system but I can never understand the lack of emphathy around when subjects like this come round. There for the grace of god go I and all that, lets hope the people who have no empathy don't need end up in the same position "
There's a while swathe of people sofa surfing or living in cars and vans because they can't afford to rent/buy anywhere doing jobs that 30 years ago would have enabled them to get a mortgage, pay bills, eat well and still lead a happy life. The cost of even renting a room in a shared house is beyond many, so they're either stuck being dependant on parents or are living hand to mouth, day to day and with no prospect of ever getting their own roof over their heads.
Of course the government and certain elements of the press will tell them to get on their bike, go find another job and move to a more affordable area. As if that's an easy solution.
You generally can't get a job without an address. It's nigh on impossible to rent somewhere without a job. So it's one huge vicious circle with now way out for many.
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"The concept of the workhouse is not flawed, it's a great idea to enable the poor to be warm and fed during the day and go do useful activity by sewing mail bags, making pegs etc. they will not feel so isolated by being in groups and better than being paid benefits too nothing I can't figure out whether you are trying to wind people up or actually believe what you are saying. Workhouses were not normally warm, but it sounds like the name may have changed as we now have warm banks for people to go to if they can't afford to heat their homes and more people are going to food banks because they can't feed themselves or their children. Scurvy, rickets and malutrition is on the up. Bills across the board have gone up so much that people are losing their homes. There is a cost of living crisis in this country and you are commenting on people being paid for doing nothing so should sew mailbags and make pegs. It sounds like a headline in a famous paper that likes to create division. A bit of info...around 43% of people who claim UC are actually in work so they couldn't go there in working hours at least. If the firms they work for paid a decent wage they wouldn't need to claim UC and be called lazy/ scroungers etc.... but no one ever talks about the big companies who are effectivley taking money off the Government by being subsidised. I personally think this is worse than hard working people trying to make ends meet on rubbish wages as they are paying people wages so low that they can't live on it. I suppose it doesn't matter though as long as the big companies can make their huge profits. I know there will be some people who will abuse the system but I can never understand the lack of emphathy around when subjects like this come round. There for the grace of god go I and all that, lets hope the people who have no empathy don't need end up in the same position " | |||
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" separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Whilst the ladies do use more in toilet roll and sanitary ware its something a man dosnt have to consider you say mobile phone and you have to have a phoneline well my comment would be one has to go either house phone or mobile phone as you cant have both and expect payment for it gas and electric was always the opposite way for me 17 for gas and 14 for electric you use less in summer on both Can't take a landlines when I go for my walk. It's my security. Gas and elec meter charge doesn't change in different seasons, so that's 31 for the meter and then the actual top up" whilst you state security it still dosnt mean both is needed as the mobile phone can provide that one rather better than the landline, Men cant have both, most ladies cant have both. Violence from an ex dosnt mean that you need both ive been there so know by experience. Whilst its provided to many ladies I wasnt provided with any. Im sorry i just cant see how you can claim this whilst you have a mobile phone that you fully use on walking and for security. 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. when the landline payment can be used elsewhere. | |||
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" separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Whilst the ladies do use more in toilet roll and sanitary ware its something a man dosnt have to consider you say mobile phone and you have to have a phoneline well my comment would be one has to go either house phone or mobile phone as you cant have both and expect payment for it gas and electric was always the opposite way for me 17 for gas and 14 for electric you use less in summer on both Can't take a landlines when I go for my walk. It's my security. Gas and elec meter charge doesn't change in different seasons, so that's 31 for the meter and then the actual top up whilst you state security it still dosnt mean both is needed as the mobile phone can provide that one rather better than the landline, Men cant have both, most ladies cant have both. Violence from an ex dosnt mean that you need both ive been there so know by experience. Whilst its provided to many ladies I wasnt provided with any. Im sorry i just cant see how you can claim this whilst you have a mobile phone that you fully use on walking and for security. 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. when the landline payment can be used elsewhere." The lady needs a mobile so that when she is away from home she can telephone if she feels in danger | |||
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"Gosh just skim read this thread and remember why I try to stay away from the Politics section. So much utter claptrap, misunderstanding of reality and lack of empathy. I did almost start replying to some of it but life is too short. I really hope those struggling find a way through to better times and don't have to resort one day to workhouses - ffs give me strength. " Oh I don’t know… I find it any easy way to spot and block the bigots | |||
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" whilst you state security it still dosnt mean both is needed as the mobile phone can provide that one rather better than the landline, Men cant have both, most ladies cant have both. Violence from an ex dosnt mean that you need both ive been there so know by experience. Whilst its provided to many ladies I wasnt provided with any. Im sorry i just cant see how you can claim this whilst you have a mobile phone that you fully use on walking and for security. 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. when the landline payment can be used elsewhere." Landlines are required for many security and emergency systems in the home. | |||
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" separate out toiletries and laundry at 10, sanitary towels alone which is 90...yes 90, 12.99 for mobile, 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. Whilst the ladies do use more in toilet roll and sanitary ware its something a man dosnt have to consider you say mobile phone and you have to have a phoneline well my comment would be one has to go either house phone or mobile phone as you cant have both and expect payment for it gas and electric was always the opposite way for me 17 for gas and 14 for electric you use less in summer on both Can't take a landlines when I go for my walk. It's my security. Gas and elec meter charge doesn't change in different seasons, so that's 31 for the meter and then the actual top up whilst you state security it still dosnt mean both is needed as the mobile phone can provide that one rather better than the landline, Men cant have both, most ladies cant have both. Violence from an ex dosnt mean that you need both ive been there so know by experience. Whilst its provided to many ladies I wasnt provided with any. Im sorry i just cant see how you can claim this whilst you have a mobile phone that you fully use on walking and for security. 18.99 for a landlines which is an essential for emergency for me personally. when the landline payment can be used elsewhere." I don't know why you made a comment on exs? I have mobile for safety as I am overcoming being a shut in by going outside the front door for walks and it's my way of having a phone for emergency. I have the landline because that's never going to lose charge. When I don't have electric how can I charge my phone? | |||
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