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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think that is a reflection of someones psyche than a reflection of the country as a whole.
Very, very sad tho and heaven only knows how those that witnessed the attack must feel right now.
I hate witnessing pissheads fighting and the like so how I would react to seeing something as horrific as that I cannot even comprehend. |
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Some people actually have argued that there is less violence today then ever before (see Stephen Pinker's 'Better Angels of Our Nature')
But still, it's very tragic. Just down the road from where I work  |
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I went on holiday in Wales around 6 years ago, and on the first night a woman stabbed the person in the next tent. The world a scary place and i think its just going to get worse. I hope the person who carried out this act on the girl gets the full extent of the law thrown at them, x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A woman was jailed last week for almost beheading a total stranger, released after killing her own mother.
Really sad for all concerned."
wasnt that a case of the woman telling police etc that she was going to kill?- more about the system to protect vulnerable sick people to commit horrendous acts against others, than some of the cases of simple idiot thuggery im thinking... |
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"Are people getting more angry with life in general?"
Recessions, job losses, bankruptcy...anger often spills over into violent acts in times of financial worry.
Although this case is probably down to a serious mental health problem....or crime of passion if it's found not to be random. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Does the world getting angrier really explain a random stabbing on a bus?"
No, I dont think it does. And I think in a way we need to wait until we know about the case and not make assumptions really.
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"Are people getting more angry with life in general?I think our tolerance of frustration seems lower - I dont have the stats but it feels like that sometimes."
im sure you're right on that, I'm finding myself much more tolerant than younger people I know. But going back, what would make someone kill that girl?
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"Some people actually have argued that there is less violence today then ever before (see Stephen Pinker's 'Better Angels of Our Nature')
But still, it's very tragic. Just down the road from where I work "
Thanks for the reference, I like some of Pinker's work.
As for our poor Brummy friend who's lost her life, we don't know the full facts yet, and so can't pin point the likely causes. Could be anything from mental health issues to awful acts of aggression. |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
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I came out of the mental health profession some years ago as it was horrendous there are some great doc's and nurses don't get me wrong... However there are a lot of failings. I begged for one of my patients to be sectioned as he was seriously metally ill and not refusing to take medication. It took him to set fire to something for them to section him... I have worked with potentially dangerous individuals who if become ill could be a harm to people or themselves.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have worked with vunerable people in the past and lots of support has been totally removed. So if they have a very bad day this kind of thing can happen.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a tiny percentage of people that cause us harm. It makes it no less appalling of course when a case like this one is highlighted.
Our young people for example seem to be constantly written off, yet most contribute a great deal. The amount of charity work, young carers, volunteering they do is largely ignored because its not a headline.
There were blade gangs in the '90s in London. Nothing shocking there. Except I'm referring to the 1890s; there's nothing new under the sun.
We aren't going to hell in a hand cart, sorry to disappoint.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I watched a youtube video earlier today..fair enough it was from america..a few young lads of 13 were picking on their 67yr old school monitor.the kids appeared well to do etc..but not one of them looked like they felt uncomfortable watching themselves make an old woman cry..they even said things like slashing her,her family hating her so they kill themselves..
and if Im honest, I blame partly the culture of "anythings a joke and if u cant handle it fuck off"- which also appears so widespread amongst the internet..young teens male and female show a lack of empathy in many cases.
u can blame everything from the internet/videogames/violent tv..
I only blame the parents who havent explained right and wrong, by taking the easy options of having something else raise their kids instead of themselves |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I went on holiday in Wales around 6 years ago, and on the first night a woman stabbed the person in the next tent. The world a scary place and i think its just going to get worse. I hope the person who carried out this act on the girl gets the full extent of the law thrown at them, x"
Or (and I know this will be controversial) depending on their circumstances the help they need. |
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"A woman was jailed last week for almost beheading a total stranger, released after killing her own mother.
Really sad for all concerned.
wasnt that a case of the woman telling police etc that she was going to kill?- more about the system to protect vulnerable sick people to commit horrendous acts against others, than some of the cases of simple idiot thuggery im thinking..."
Sadly I have a feeling the person involved will have a history of mental health issues and not just a thug. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The woman spent numerous years in a secure pchiactric facility after killing her mum.
Not long after being released started to ring the police to say she was feeling the urge to kill and she needed locking up but she'd taken herself to hospital to get help to.
As a hospital is classed as a place of safety the police ignored her pleads.
She then left the hospital got on a bus and randomly attacked a woman and be headed her. |
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Some people will always escape whatever net you place down to eradicate their destructive tendencies.
All the security in the world would not have stopped any maniac from going on a shooting spree in Finland or America if they have had a bad day  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a father of a 15y/o daughter I see stories like this one in the news and it fills me with dread that my daughter could go out one day and never come home because some mental fruitcase decides he wants to kill her. I swear if that ever happens they better lock him up for the rest of my life cos I'll be waiting for the asshole when he got out otherwise. That poor kid had her whole life to look forward to, she was popular with her friends and a beautiful girl to boot. I can only surmise that this asshole thought he'd try his luck with her and when she told him to do one, he did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a father of a 15y/o daughter I see stories like this one in the news and it fills me with dread that my daughter could go out one day and never come home because some mental fruitcase decides he wants to kill her. I swear if that ever happens they better lock him up for the rest of my life cos I'll be waiting for the asshole when he got out otherwise. That poor kid had her whole life to look forward to, she was popular with her friends and a beautiful girl to boot. I can only surmise that this asshole thought he'd try his luck with her and when she told him to do one, he did."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A woman was jailed last week for almost beheading a total stranger, released after killing her own mother.
Really sad for all concerned.
wasnt that a case of the woman telling police etc that she was going to kill?- more about the system to protect vulnerable sick people to commit horrendous acts against others, than some of the cases of simple idiot thuggery im thinking...
Sadly I have a feeling the person involved will have a history of mental health issues and not just a thug."
He has reportedly been sectioned and is unfit to be interviewed. Believed to be unknown to local mental health units. Very sad for all concerned. |
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its so sad, I couldn't imagine saying "have a good day at school" to my daughter and never seeing her again. now the suspect had been sectioned, nice private room, hot meals 24hr surveillance, absolutely sickening!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"More violent crime here than in the usa.
The differential between the size and population alone makes your statement untrue."
How? If crime rates are measured per 100000 people? It doesn't make any difference what your total population is. However just googled it and apparently we come of worse because we have more crimes classified as violent over here, where as in the us it's only 4 ! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"oh is a capita 100,000 then?"
Per capita means 'per head of the population'.
If your country has twice as many people as the country next door, you can expect twice as mant crimes.
It's a long way from being an exact science. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The guys been sectioned on the mental health act. I'm guessing he wanted to stab someone and she saw he looked funny and looked at him funny. It's goddamn sick but maybe its about time ATOS healthcare upped their standards |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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If he hadn't been sectioned, he'd have been exposed to the CPS/ jury system. We saw what the first Vicky Pryce jury made of the evidence.
Is it preferable that people are sectioned (with all the delightful conditions some Fabsters think they'll enjoy) or should they be incarcerated and take their chances in mainstream prisons? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he hadn't been sectioned, he'd have been exposed to the CPS/ jury system. We saw what the first Vicky Pryce jury made of the evidence.
Is it preferable that people are sectioned (with all the delightful conditions some Fabsters think they'll enjoy) or should they be incarcerated and take their chances in mainstream prisons?"
I'd like to agree with you but to knife a girl, to have a knife with the intention of using it and doing that on a bus first thing in the morning, he must have been disturbed. I dont have to like the outcome beyond the fact he's off the streets but he is off the streets. It doesnt bring the girl back though aye?! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"If he hadn't been sectioned, he'd have been exposed to the CPS/ jury system. We saw what the first Vicky Pryce jury made of the evidence.
Is it preferable that people are sectioned (with all the delightful conditions some Fabsters think they'll enjoy) or should they be incarcerated and take their chances in mainstream prisons?
I'd like to agree with you but to knife a girl, to have a knife with the intention of using it and doing that on a bus first thing in the morning, he must have been disturbed. I dont have to like the outcome beyond the fact he's off the streets but he is off the streets. It doesnt bring the girl back though aye?!"
I don't doubt for a minute he's disturbed but there's no way anything the system can do to restrict his behabiour, short of sectioning, will make a difference. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he hadn't been sectioned, he'd have been exposed to the CPS/ jury system. We saw what the first Vicky Pryce jury made of the evidence.
Is it preferable that people are sectioned (with all the delightful conditions some Fabsters think they'll enjoy) or should they be incarcerated and take their chances in mainstream prisons?
I'd like to agree with you but to knife a girl, to have a knife with the intention of using it and doing that on a bus first thing in the morning, he must have been disturbed. I dont have to like the outcome beyond the fact he's off the streets but he is off the streets. It doesnt bring the girl back though aye?!"
people see blackNwhite too easily..if u have had or know anyone with mental health issues(lets say the ones that take away levels of self control)- there could be a multitude of 'reasons' why it entered his/her brains to kill... a thread a cpl days ago was about a marine shot dead and his friend too by a guy they took out to help him through his PTSD(on a gun range), had they maybe been more aware of the condition it might not have happened.
I pointed out earlier about school childrens behaviour on buses(we know it happens here too), there could be points where they just push that wrong person over the edge(especially if it appears apparent the metally unwell person is obviously showing symptoms)
honestly not trying to lessen a tragic horrible loss of lives...but not jumping on a bandwagon of assuming what the papers/news headlines says is 100% accurate before its even went through a court of law.
isnt anyone learning yet?, that the media is provoking reactions using cut down information?...because sometimes the in depth story just wont sell/gain as much interest as much |
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