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"I think the people who worry enough to consider where that line is, they're probably not people it's worth your time to fuck anyway "Of course... I was just thinking for myself. Like if I was having sex and my outfit is getting removed... at what point has the illusion been broken and the man is revealed? | |||
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"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off "Wish I could take my boobs off at the end of the night  | |||
"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off "I think the make up is the biggest part I always feel like I'm going back to my plain old self when I wipe it away. | |||
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"It's what's inside that counts! Right? I mean surely it's not what you wear or how you look, but if you feel you are a TV, you are always a TV" True... but I showed up to meet in Man mode and then told them I am a TV... they're unlikely to believe me  | |||
"Surely the minute you take your knickers off? "Oh my knickers are often off haha  | |||
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"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off
Wish I could take my boobs off at the end of the night "You'd think it'd be nice... what if you lost one though?  | |||
"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off
Wish I could take my boobs off at the end of the night
You'd think it'd be nice... what if you lost one though? "Then I would be a mighty Amazon (the etymology of Amazon is without breast, because the Greeks thought the Amazons cut a tit off to improve their archery) | |||
"Surely the minute you take your knickers off? "Ha ha...yes...I love it when people don't want to see you as a man when you turn up at a meet.. they want you to get changed without seeing you... because it spoils the illusion.. it's like..er... that thing in your knickers is going to put the dampers on any illusion.. | |||
"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off
Wish I could take my boobs off at the end of the night
You'd think it'd be nice... what if you lost one though? "I’d have spares | |||
"It's what's inside that counts! Right? I mean surely it's not what you wear or how you look, but if you feel you are a TV, you are always a TV" Wats inside I presume is a cock pounding u they don't care at that point | |||
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"If I know someone as female, they're female, even if I've seen their penis. In the same way I don't consider blondes to be a separate category of gender." Does anyone consider Blondes a separate category of gender? | |||
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"If I know someone as female, they're female, even if I've seen their penis. In the same way I don't consider blondes to be a separate category of gender." Actually this is a better way of explaining it. I always talk about Jennie as she/her because that’s who she is | |||
"If I know someone as female, they're female, even if I've seen their penis. In the same way I don't consider blondes to be a separate category of gender. Does anyone consider Blondes a separate category of gender?" No that’s just gingers | |||
"If I know someone as female, they're female, even if I've seen their penis. In the same way I don't consider blondes to be a separate category of gender. Does anyone consider Blondes a separate category of gender?" I hope not. But I more mean, I'm perfectly capable of separating gender (brain/felt sense) and biological sex (bits between legs etc) | |||
"Then I would be a mighty Amazon (the etymology of Amazon is without breast, because the Greeks thought the Amazons cut a tit off to improve their archery)" I when you teach us things like this, Swing. | |||
"If I know someone as female, they're female, even if I've seen their penis. In the same way I don't consider blondes to be a separate category of gender. Does anyone consider Blondes a separate category of gender? No that’s just gingers "looool | |||
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"Surely the minute you take your knickers off?
Ha ha...yes...I love it when people don't want to see you as a man when you turn up at a meet.. they want you to get changed without seeing you... because it spoils the illusion.. it's like..er... that thing in your knickers is going to put the dampers on any illusion.. "I can understand not wanting to break the Illusion. I've met TVs as men and then seen them transform in front of me... but some of the magic is lost. Whereas if I meet them and they're fully dressed, it's different, and I'd imagine it's the same for people meeting me. And in my experience... they all want to see what's in your knickers | |||
"For me it more to do with how I feel & my emotions rather than how much im dressed. However saying that when im fully dressed & made up my feelings of being fem are way more higher so maybe im contradicting myself Im not sure" Lol. It's a complicated brew, isn't it? | |||
""Where Does the TV end and the Man Begin?" *** Good TV starts on 32" and ends with 292". Apparently men starts on 8" and ends on 10"+. Google and Fab research." | |||
"Then I would be a mighty Amazon (the etymology of Amazon is without breast, because the Greeks thought the Amazons cut a tit off to improve their archery) I when you teach us things like this, Swing."Glad my random blathering is occasionally useful  | |||
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"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off
Wish I could take my boobs off at the end of the night
You'd think it'd be nice... what if you lost one though?
Then I would be a mighty Amazon
(the etymology of Amazon is without breast, because the Greeks thought the Amazons cut a tit off to improve their archery)"This made fab worthwhile for me today 
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"For me, when I'm defemming at the end of a glam night, it's when I wipe off the make up and take my boobs off
Wish I could take my boobs off at the end of the night " | |||
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"The guys who were opening doors for you when you were strutting around the club in full TV mode, now after you've washed your make up off & put your jeans back on, are pretending they don't see you in the car park & cutting you up trying to leave in a hurry, is the point when you go back to being a man. Nobody cares about being polite to men, not even other men "They're just trying to run from their shame... they don't want to admit that a wig and make up is all it takes to make them go gay | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman" I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World " Yeah, my thinking for whether or not I’d meet a TV/CD is whether I think I’d be happy to kiss then or not I don’t kiss men | |||
"The guys who were opening doors for you when you were strutting around the club in full TV mode, now after you've washed your make up off & put your jeans back on, are pretending they don't see you in the car park & cutting you up trying to leave in a hurry, is the point when you go back to being a man. Nobody cares about being polite to men, not even other men
They're just trying to run from their shame... they don't want to admit that a wig and make up is all it takes to make them go gay "Oh no! They've caught the dreaded ghey!  | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World " Party on, Garth! | |||
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"The guys who were opening doors for you when you were strutting around the club in full TV mode, now after you've washed your make up off & put your jeans back on, are pretending they don't see you in the car park & cutting you up trying to leave in a hurry, is the point when you go back to being a man. Nobody cares about being polite to men, not even other men
They're just trying to run from their shame... they don't want to admit that a wig and make up is all it takes to make them go gay
Oh no! They've caught the dreaded ghey! "(desperately checking the rear view mirror) "If I drive fast enough it won't catch me" | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World Party on, Garth! "Schwing! | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World Yeah, my thinking for whether or not I’d meet a TV/CD is whether I think I’d be happy to kiss then or not I don’t kiss men " Oh but you do | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World " I think for a lot of men it's about how feminine our faces looks which makeup definitely enhances, but equally if not more I think it's about the outfit. I think many TVs could get away with no make up & just a clean shaven face/body with a sexy outfit + heels & probably still attract male attention. If I was just going to the park or something I probably wouldn't bother with make up or a wig at all. In a club-like venue though I have to go balls out excuse the expression | |||
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"I think the people who worry enough to consider where that line is, they're probably not people it's worth your time to fuck anyway " | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World I think for a lot of men it's about how feminine our faces looks which makeup definitely enhances, but equally if not more I think it's about the outfit. I think many TVs could get away with no make up & just a clean shaven face/body with a sexy outfit + heels & probably still attract male attention. If I was just going to the park or something I probably wouldn't bother with make up or a wig at all. In a club-like venue though I have to go balls out excuse the expression "Outfit is important. But for me I feel like I could get away with everything but the make up. As long as I have my natural hair styled slightly... and maybe a ch*ker for the Adams apple I think I look pretty good naked with only some make up on But I guess at that point I'm more androgynous than transvestite | |||
"If I know someone as female, they're female, even if I've seen their penis. In the same way I don't consider blondes to be a separate category of gender. Does anyone consider Blondes a separate category of gender? No that’s just gingers "You're not wrong | |||
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"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World I think for a lot of men it's about how feminine our faces looks which makeup definitely enhances, but equally if not more I think it's about the outfit. I think many TVs could get away with no make up & just a clean shaven face/body with a sexy outfit + heels & probably still attract male attention. If I was just going to the park or something I probably wouldn't bother with make up or a wig at all. In a club-like venue though I have to go balls out excuse the expression
Outfit is important.
But for me I feel like I could get away with everything but the make up.
As long as I have my natural hair styled slightly... and maybe a ch*ker for the Adams apple
I think I look pretty good naked with only some make up on
But I guess at that point I'm more androgynous than transvestite
"You're fortunate in still having natural hair, you cow!
Some of us need that wig! | |||
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"The guys who were opening doors for you when you were strutting around the club in full TV mode, now after you've washed your make up off & put your jeans back on, are pretending they don't see you in the car park & cutting you up trying to leave in a hurry, is the point when you go back to being a man. Nobody cares about being polite to men, not even other men
They're just trying to run from their shame... they don't want to admit that a wig and make up is all it takes to make them go gay " | |||
"If you’re doing it for yourself the line is wherever you want it to be. If you’re doing it for others, it’s wherever they say the line is. " I walk the line between Good and Evil... | |||
"How much of my outfit needs to be removed before you're just having sex with a man? (of course I'm always a man, but the illusion goes a long way) If I take my clothes off and remove my fake tits but leave the wig on... does that still make me a TV? What if I only do my make up and nothing else? What if I haven't shaved my body? Where does the TV end and the Man begin? " Depends on what 'TV' refers to. My friend has a beard, full body hair and just stockings.  | |||
"If you’re doing it for yourself the line is wherever you want it to be. If you’re doing it for others, it’s wherever they say the line is. I walk the line between Good and Evil... "Gevil? | |||
"It’s all about the face for me If the face is a woman, then it’s a woman I think it's similar for me That's why the make up is so important. When I wear a wig with no make up I look like Garth from Wayne's World I think for a lot of men it's about how feminine our faces looks which makeup definitely enhances, but equally if not more I think it's about the outfit. I think many TVs could get away with no make up & just a clean shaven face/body with a sexy outfit + heels & probably still attract male attention. If I was just going to the park or something I probably wouldn't bother with make up or a wig at all. In a club-like venue though I have to go balls out excuse the expression
Outfit is important.
But for me I feel like I could get away with everything but the make up.
As long as I have my natural hair styled slightly... and maybe a ch*ker for the Adams apple
I think I look pretty good naked with only some make up on
But I guess at that point I'm more androgynous than transvestite
You're fortunate in still having natural hair, you cow!
Some of us need that wig! "I'm enjoying it whilst it lasts | |||
"If you’re doing it for yourself the line is wherever you want it to be. If you’re doing it for others, it’s wherever they say the line is. I walk the line between Good and Evil...
Gevil?"The Gevil Dead! | |||
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"This has been a big question for me most of my life. I am massively attracted to charisma, and pretty faces. There's a thing many TVs have where charisma and prettiness overlap and I'm in a form of happy dream around them. Some gay and bi guys have it too. I've been politically pro-queer since about the age of 9, I'm a Brightonian/Londoner, and I'm as camp as fuck. And Marion Cotillard is the most beautiful creature on the planet. I ache for her, especially how she was 15 years ago. But if there were two Marions, identical in every way except one had a cock (not even balls), I cannot kiss or touch her, even if I never see her cock. I know she has one. And I cannot function at that point. And that annoys the hell out of me. There has only ever been one exception, early 90s, and I met Julian Clary for about 30 seconds. He was sharing office space with a company my then wife worked with, and she introduced us. I'd known of him since the mid-80s, and found him massively charismatic and seductive as a "celebrity", from a distance. In the thirty seconds I met him, with my wife next to me and his boyfriend next to him, I just blurted out "I've never seen eyes as beautiful as yours and I'm sorry that's a weird thing to say but I have to say it". Which I did, because they were. If I wasn't monogamous then, I would have done everything in my power to try to sleep with him. There was no awareness I had of cock, gender...anything. Just the most stunning eyes/look/charisma that meant having each other would have been the only sensible thing to do. But it's never happened on any other occasion, and I've been to plenty of clubs in Brighton and London since the age of 16 when every opportunity to be seduced by pretty and charismatic TVs has been present. But "cock", with the exception of Julian Clary 30 years ago, stops me going there. And it really annoys me that I just can't deal with cock. MFM - I have no issues with cocks touching in DVP etc. Me + cock...I almost feel unwell. I've had a fully transitioned girlfriend. Great. Woman. No cock. So...to answer your question OP - there is no simple answer. Every bit of me wants to love Marion Cotillard with a cock as much as I could love her without a cock. And, for reasons I just don't know and irritate me, I can't. But I could have fucked Julian Clary, because the beauty in his eyes somehow took me to a place of beauty where cocks, tits, pussies, and anything didn't matter or count. I was simply overwhelmed by the most astonishing beauty. Doesn't help you at all right? Except to prove that attraction is so much more than we have any idea about, and for reasons that frustrate me beyond belief, the knowledge of a cock existing on a body stops me from being sexually active (even just kisses) when I wish it didn't. That's pretty fucked up, and I lose out massively because of it. " I think it's pretty understandable to find cock a bit of a sticking point if you don't like it. | |||
"I think it's pretty understandable to find cock a bit of a sticking point if you don't like it. " You're a bit wonderful you know xxx | |||
"I think it's pretty understandable to find cock a bit of a sticking point if you don't like it. You're a bit wonderful you know xxx" I am aren't I | |||
"I think it's pretty understandable to find cock a bit of a sticking point if you don't like it. You're a bit wonderful you know xxx I am aren't I "Deffo. And modest xxx | |||
"I think it's pretty understandable to find cock a bit of a sticking point if you don't like it. You're a bit wonderful you know xxx I am aren't I
Deffo. And modest xxx"It's one of my many virtues | |||
"How much of my outfit needs to be removed before you're just having sex with a man? (of course I'm always a man, but the illusion goes a long way) If I take my clothes off and remove my fake tits but leave the wig on... does that still make me a TV? What if I only do my make up and nothing else? What if I haven't shaved my body? Where does the TV end and the Man begin? " I think if you don’t look like a female the straight guys freak out and worry | |||
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"I’d say it starts at the tip of his cock " Nah I've had my knob out and still been a TV | |||
"How much of my outfit needs to be removed before you're just having sex with a man? (of course I'm always a man, but the illusion goes a long way) If I take my clothes off and remove my fake tits but leave the wig on... does that still make me a TV? What if I only do my make up and nothing else? What if I haven't shaved my body? Where does the TV end and the Man begin? I think if you don’t look like a female the straight guys freak out and worry" Well if they're really straight they won't be paying me much attention anyway | |||
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