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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" Are you killing off Jesus? | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" Why? | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Why?" Because I'm interested in the answers. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? " It's happened before. He keeps coming though.. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? " I think the Romans did that c.32AD! | |||
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 it's a lovely way to end the year | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? I think the Romans did that c.32AD! " So it's like celebrating the death and rising | |||
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"My answer requires more nuance than a simple yes/ no" If there was a yes/no referendum, and you were forced by law to vote, which would you vote for? | |||
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"My answer requires more nuance than a simple yes/ no If there was a yes/no referendum, and you were forced by law to vote, which would you vote for? " I'd spoil my ballot. | |||
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"Haha fuck your yes or no demands. I refuse to play your games by narrowing it down to something as blunt and simple as that. " yeah we've already found out what happens when we have a referendum on something poorly defined... | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Why? Because I'm interested in the answers." Whatever your motives, most will day NO. Same for Easter by the way but we could wait for another poll nearer to the time if you like. | |||
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"My answer requires more nuance than a simple yes/ no If there was a yes/no referendum, and you were forced by law to vote, which would you vote for? I'd spoil my ballot." Please do it the British way, either by drawing a cock & balls across the paper or by spilling your tea on it! | |||
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"My answer requires more nuance than a simple yes/ no If there was a yes/no referendum, and you were forced by law to vote, which would you vote for? I'd spoil my ballot. Please do it the British way, either by drawing a cock & balls across the paper or by spilling your tea on it! " I've never understood informal voting in a system where voting is optional and it's so hard to fuck up  | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? " wait while easter at least | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? wait while easter at least "Or we can think about the officials who tried to kill off all the babies and forced Mary and Joseph to become refugees... | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? wait while easter at least
Or we can think about the officials who tried to kill off all the babies and forced Mary and Joseph to become refugees..."There's limited/no evidence for Herod killing first borns! Do you think JC and co walked into Egypt or did they get in a small boat across the Red Sea? | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? wait while easter at least
Or we can think about the officials who tried to kill off all the babies and forced Mary and Joseph to become refugees...
There's limited/no evidence for Herod killing first borns! Do you think JC and co walked into Egypt or did they get in a small boat across the Red Sea?"I'm talking about "if we take the story as read" - I think the evidence for Jesus is all but non-existent. I just think it's interesting to think about how we talk about celebrating the gift and the life of Jesus... someone who despised the rich (eye of a camel), didn't want to mix religion and money (flipping tables), and was allegedly forced to flee... and yet we live in the political context we do. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? wait while easter at least
Or we can think about the officials who tried to kill off all the babies and forced Mary and Joseph to become refugees...
There's limited/no evidence for Herod killing first borns! Do you think JC and co walked into Egypt or did they get in a small boat across the Red Sea?"They wouldn't have needed to cross the Red Sea. They could have travelled from Bethlehem across to the Mediterranean and along the coast into Egypt. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" Why? Because it's religious? Expensive? You don't like it? You have to do it alone and it makes you miserable? Or you have to do it with people and you don't like it? Or them? Because you have to buy stuff for people? You don't get what you want and hate what you do get? Or you get nothing? Is it all the lights and crappy tinsel and trees? Or that you can't buy normal stuff because it goes out of stock to make room for Christmas lines? Because it makes your electric bill go up lighting the place up and roasting a bloody turkey and spuds? Do you not like Christmas dinner? Is it the food shop? Is it how busy everywhere gets and the traffic? Or do you not like wrapping presents? Do you hate being dictated to by whoever it that says we should do Christmas and hate the time money and effort you have to put in when you could just be productive in ways that benefits you more? Simple yes or no answers to all them questions will do. I'm assuming you feel negative about Christmas because of how the question was phrased. I bet I missed a few questions too. Maybe I'll come back with more. Do you think it should be abolished OP? | |||
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"No, Christmas has different meanings to different people. Not everyone celebrates it to mark the the birth of Jesus. " I’m intrigued by your post….. could you elaborate on what different meanings there are for Xmas? Personally I’m a non-believer, but have always considered the 25th as singularly a major day in the Christian calendar. | |||
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"No, Christmas has different meanings to different people. Not everyone celebrates it to mark the the birth of Jesus. I’m intrigued by your post….. could you elaborate on what different meanings there are for Xmas? Personally I’m a non-believer, but have always considered the 25th as singularly a major day in the Christian calendar." Excellent question and comments. We are also interested in the answer. | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no "Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion "you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead" | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead" "The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort. | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead" "just cause you don't believe we should cancel it. Thank God not everyone acts like that having a tantrum if they don't get their own way | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort."exactly | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly "We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead" just cause you don't believe we should cancel it. Thank God not everyone acts like that having a tantrum if they don't get their own way "i believe in the celebration not all the rubbish thats in the bible, for most intelligent people the bible is a bunch of exagerated stories that didn't take place "and he parted the waters of Gallilea" | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then "Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore "My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth"To that point, who is celebrating his birth if they’re buying presents for family, friends, et al? Unless you’re buying him presents and having a birthday party for him, focusing your celebration on the religious aspects of his birth are you truly celebrating his birthday? | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth"lol well i didn't even cook my christ mass dinner yesterday so I'm not in a diabetic coma theirs no sweets or cake however i do have nuts hazel and peanuts | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth
To that point, who is celebrating his birth if they’re buying presents for family, friends, et al? Unless you’re buying him presents and having a birthday party for him, focusing your celebration on the religious aspects of his birth are you truly celebrating his birthday? "Is it not the celebration of his death and resurrection that those that are religious celebrate although not in church anymore they maybe hold hands around the dinner table and say an appropriate prayer | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth
To that point, who is celebrating his birth if they’re buying presents for family, friends, et al? Unless you’re buying him presents and having a birthday party for him, focusing your celebration on the religious aspects of his birth are you truly celebrating his birthday? Is it not the celebration of his death and resurrection that those that are religious celebrate although not in church anymore they maybe hold hands around the dinner table and say an appropriate prayer "I’ve never in my life prayed at a birthday party or seen anyone do this but to each their own. | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth
To that point, who is celebrating his birth if they’re buying presents for family, friends, et al? Unless you’re buying him presents and having a birthday party for him, focusing your celebration on the religious aspects of his birth are you truly celebrating his birthday? Is it not the celebration of his death and resurrection that those that are religious celebrate although not in church anymore they maybe hold hands around the dinner table and say an appropriate prayer
I’ve never in my life prayed at a birthday party or seen anyone do this but to each their own. "Do you pray though? | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth
To that point, who is celebrating his birth if they’re buying presents for family, friends, et al? Unless you’re buying him presents and having a birthday party for him, focusing your celebration on the religious aspects of his birth are you truly celebrating his birthday? Is it not the celebration of his death and resurrection that those that are religious celebrate although not in church anymore they maybe hold hands around the dinner table and say an appropriate prayer
I’ve never in my life prayed at a birthday party or seen anyone do this but to each their own. Do you pray though? "To the Saint of Good Sex. How else will I be certain to have good sex? When I don’t? I whip out my rosary and do the Hail Marys to prevent more horrible sex in my future.  | |||
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"On religious grounds yes on fun for everyone no
Cancel a religious festival on religious grounds? That would be an interesting discussion you believe or you don't I'm afraid i don't "and jesus was resurrected from the dead"
The pedant in me wants to argue that if you don't believe you're not celebrating Christmas anyway, you're celebrating a mid winter festival of some sort.exactly
We might as well just get on with doing what we do now then Exactly we celebrate, most of us don't go to church they're all being turned into private homes, maybe you believe and thats entirely your choice but for me their is nothing religious about christmas anymore
My point really is that 'Christ' mass is a religious festival. Nobody has to believe in Jesus to eat turkey and fall into a near diabetic coma on quality street but they're not celebrating his birth
To that point, who is celebrating his birth if they’re buying presents for family, friends, et al? Unless you’re buying him presents and having a birthday party for him, focusing your celebration on the religious aspects of his birth are you truly celebrating his birthday? Is it not the celebration of his death and resurrection that those that are religious celebrate although not in church anymore they maybe hold hands around the dinner table and say an appropriate prayer
I’ve never in my life prayed at a birthday party or seen anyone do this but to each their own. Do you pray though?
To the Saint of Good Sex. How else will I be certain to have good sex? When I don’t? I whip out my rosary and do the Hail Marys to prevent more horrible sex in my future. "lol well done you and may you get great sex | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" Yes and a car park put in its place. T | |||
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Then again at Easter for the Bunny's birthday! | |||
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"No its such fun how can you abolish fun...... Shops are closed everything slows to a halt, family come round well those of you who have family, eat you out of house and home, leave all their rubbish behind and say thank fuck thats over "Methinks the Fred doth protest too much .
You'll be grinning like a Cheshire Cat after your "Xmas Meal" today Fred.....drop a few sprouty farts...hit the gym later in the week...get laid in January...you'll think back on it all fondly come May . | |||
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"No its such fun how can you abolish fun...... Shops are closed everything slows to a halt, family come round well those of you who have family, eat you out of house and home, leave all their rubbish behind and say thank fuck thats over
Methinks the Fred doth protest too much .
You'll be grinning like a Cheshire Cat after your "Xmas Meal" today Fred.....drop a few sprouty farts...hit the gym later in the week...get laid in January...you'll think back on it all fondly come May ."I'm looking forward to easter | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? wait while easter at least
Or we can think about the officials who tried to kill off all the babies and forced Mary and Joseph to become refugees..."wont somebody think of the donkey | |||
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"No its such fun how can you abolish fun...... Shops are closed everything slows to a halt, family come round well those of you who have family, eat you out of house and home, leave all their rubbish behind and say thank fuck thats over
Methinks the Fred doth protest too much .
You'll be grinning like a Cheshire Cat after your "Xmas Meal" today Fred.....drop a few sprouty farts...hit the gym later in the week...get laid in January...you'll think back on it all fondly come May .I'm looking forward to easter "Chocolate and spring horniness?? | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? Are you killing off Jesus? wait while easter at least
Or we can think about the officials who tried to kill off all the babies and forced Mary and Joseph to become refugees...wont somebody think of the donkey "ass we speak | |||
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"No its such fun how can you abolish fun...... Shops are closed everything slows to a halt, family come round well those of you who have family, eat you out of house and home, leave all their rubbish behind and say thank fuck thats over
Methinks the Fred doth protest too much .
You'll be grinning like a Cheshire Cat after your "Xmas Meal" today Fred.....drop a few sprouty farts...hit the gym later in the week...get laid in January...you'll think back on it all fondly come May .I'm looking forward to easter
Chocolate and spring horniness?? "I don't eat chocolate but summer horniness yes | |||
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"Yes - but for an awful lot of different reasons " Children too happy? | |||
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"Yes - but for an awful lot of different reasons Children too happy? " Family stress, most break ups occur over the 'festive' season. Financial stress as families effectively compete to create a 'perfect' Christmas. Economic stress as lots of buying followed by a down turn as the cc bills roll in. Economic stress due to business shutting down for a prolonged period. Mental health issues due to an increased feeling of loneliness for those without family or close friends etc etc. Just make it a bank holiday with no religious or celebratory connotations | |||
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"Reading this thread is great for crystallising just what Christmas means to most people.... no wonder it gives them anxiety. Would I cancel Christmas..... NO Would I change the way it is celebrated ........ YES Do I celebrate Christmas myself .......... No - I'm decent all year round to my family and friends. " glad you're decent in front of family and friends | |||
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"Yes - but for an awful lot of different reasons Children too happy? Family stress, most break ups occur over the 'festive' season. Financial stress as families effectively compete to create a 'perfect' Christmas. Economic stress as lots of buying followed by a down turn as the cc bills roll in. Economic stress due to business shutting down for a prolonged period. Mental health issues due to an increased feeling of loneliness for those without family or close friends etc etc. Just make it a bank holiday with no religious or celebratory connotations " Interesting…… if just a bank holiday what would it represent? UK gov would have to be particularly creative to shut the economy down just on a whim. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" It was one year | |||
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"No, Christmas has different meanings to different people. Not everyone celebrates it to mark the the birth of Jesus. I’m intrigued by your post….. could you elaborate on what different meanings there are for Xmas? Personally I’m a non-believer, but have always considered the 25th as singularly a major day in the Christian calendar." Singularly ? You sure ? | |||
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"Reading this thread is great for crystallising just what Christmas means to most people.... no wonder it gives them anxiety. Would I cancel Christmas..... NO Would I change the way it is celebrated ........ YES Do I celebrate Christmas myself .......... No - I'm decent all year round to my family and friends. glad you're decent in front of family and friends "They are just not ready for this jelly Fred. | |||
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"Reading this thread is great for crystallising just what Christmas means to most people.... no wonder it gives them anxiety. Would I cancel Christmas..... NO Would I change the way it is celebrated ........ YES Do I celebrate Christmas myself .......... No - I'm decent all year round to my family and friends. glad you're decent in front of family and friends
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"Fuck no regardless of what goes on around Christmas that could be loss or loneliness you can make your own family it’s not only those by blood, there’s people out there to share the day with, support groups to meet new people Christmas is the one day of the year which if any brings people together! " Many of us spent Christmas alone ,not through choice .it wasn't a nice experience. | |||
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"If we abolish Christmas does that mean we need to abolish Easter too? Oh can you see how much damage this would do?" I don't celebrate either | |||
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"Yes - but for an awful lot of different reasons Children too happy? Family stress, most break ups occur over the 'festive' season. Financial stress as families effectively compete to create a 'perfect' Christmas. Economic stress as lots of buying followed by a down turn as the cc bills roll in. Economic stress due to business shutting down for a prolonged period. Mental health issues due to an increased feeling of loneliness for those without family or close friends etc etc. Just make it a bank holiday with no religious or celebratory connotations " Businesses are generally shut for one day. If you're gonna break up over stress then it isn't meant to be. The over spending is a personal choice. They'll be the same people that splurge on holidays in the summer they can't afford. People alone at Xmas, people are alone many days of the year. Xmas is what you make it. | |||
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"What I don’t get is why half the country has to shut down for best part of a week or more, in order to have one day celebrated. A lot of businesses seem to shut a few days before and don’t open up to the new year and all to ‘celebrate’ a day that apparently most people no longer recognise anyway. Have, whatever you want to call it, on the nearest weekend to the end of December each year and have a couple of days for people to see family if the choose and then everybody back to normal on Monday. " you love working then? | |||
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"No not abolished but certain traditions need to go imo… kings speech… less Xmas music ..it’s all the same …. And make Xmas eve the bank holiday ..and end boxing day……. Bah humbug lol" omg i missed the kings speach his first one as head honcho | |||
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"What I don’t get is why half the country has to shut down for best part of a week or more, in order to have one day celebrated. A lot of businesses seem to shut a few days before and don’t open up to the new year and all to ‘celebrate’ a day that apparently most people no longer recognise anyway. Have, whatever you want to call it, on the nearest weekend to the end of December each year and have a couple of days for people to see family if the choose and then everybody back to normal on Monday. you love working then? "I do as it happens
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"What I don’t get is why half the country has to shut down for best part of a week or more, in order to have one day celebrated. A lot of businesses seem to shut a few days before and don’t open up to the new year and all to ‘celebrate’ a day that apparently most people no longer recognise anyway. Have, whatever you want to call it, on the nearest weekend to the end of December each year and have a couple of days for people to see family if the choose and then everybody back to normal on Monday. you love working then?
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"But how would we do it? if you dont know now you'll never know "
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"But how would we do it? if you dont know now you'll never know
I love how revolutions are started on a sex themed site
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"But how would we do it? "If I wanted to abolish Christmas (I don't) I'd just stop celebrating. I wouldn't want to make other people stop. Look at the outrage if someone suggests not having Nativity play. | |||
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"But how would we do it? if you dont know now you'll never know
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"No, Christmas has different meanings to different people. Not everyone celebrates it to mark the the birth of Jesus. I’m intrigued by your post….. could you elaborate on what different meanings there are for Xmas? Personally I’m a non-believer, but have always considered the 25th as singularly a major day in the Christian calendar. Singularly ? You sure ?" Very sure thanks, unless there is some other event else you are aware of? | |||
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"There's always been a festival at this time of year. Commercial Christmas certainly needs to die, Christmas every two years, traditional yuletide every year maybe? " Indeed ….. the winter solstice being one. | |||
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"But how would we do it?
If I wanted to abolish Christmas (I don't) I'd just stop celebrating. I wouldn't want to make other people stop. Look at the outrage if someone suggests not having Nativity play. "Nobody is taking the Nativy plays from us!! *grabs pitch fork! | |||
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"But how would we do it?
If I wanted to abolish Christmas (I don't) I'd just stop celebrating. I wouldn't want to make other people stop. Look at the outrage if someone suggests not having Nativity play.
Nobody is taking the Nativy plays from us!!
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"I looked at the mountain of plastic littered across the floor of my grand children's lounge floor and despaired. How can this be the right way to bring up children. This stuff is going to last for decades and will just end up buried in landfill. I actually feel quite sorry for my son and daughter and law who have to indulge in this orgy of consumerism. Mrs N joins in. We have one of the youngsters 1 day per week but one of our rooms is 1/2 full of plastic junk from the older one and now the youngest one is adding theirs. I try to drop hints that this is getting me down but knocked down as being a grinch so I just think I have 2 or so more years of this to endure then I too will be taking our load of plastic junk to the tip as no one else will want it. This is being repeated across millions of households. How do we get out of this cycle ?" We had mountains of cardboard this year; minimal plastic, but the toys are mostly plastic. | |||
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"It's Christ's Mass. Mass for Christ. You can't change the name to Chocalissimus or hold it on a different day ..... It has Christian connotations. I'd prefer Winter Festival and Change the date to be around the winter solstice every year. No mindless consumerism but a celebration of community / the seasons and feasting.... where each family come out and bring their families food and share with other families , including those that live alone. " This sounds far too sociable. | |||
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"It's Christ's Mass. Mass for Christ. You can't change the name to Chocalissimus or hold it on a different day ..... It has Christian connotations. I'd prefer Winter Festival and Change the date to be around the winter solstice every year. No mindless consumerism but a celebration of community / the seasons and feasting.... where each family come out and bring their families food and share with other families , including those that live alone. This sounds far too sociable. " You could be our village Grinch and reign aloft spitting on the children ... | |||
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"It's Christ's Mass. Mass for Christ. You can't change the name to Chocalissimus or hold it on a different day ..... It has Christian connotations. I'd prefer Winter Festival and Change the date to be around the winter solstice every year. No mindless consumerism but a celebration of community / the seasons and feasting.... where each family come out and bring their families food and share with other families , including those that live alone. This sounds far too sociable. You could be our village Grinch and reign aloft spitting on the children ... " lol | |||
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"Christmas - no, I can put up with it. What should be abolished is greedy retailers starting to shove Christmas down our throats from August. Keep Christmas shopping to late November and December. Also, the true meaning of Christmas should be reminded to people rather than just the "spend, spend and spend" push. " whats the true meaning and do you go to church to confess all your sins? | |||
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"It's Christ's Mass. Mass for Christ. You can't change the name to Chocalissimus or hold it on a different day ..... It has Christian connotations. I'd prefer Winter Festival and Change the date to be around the winter solstice every year. No mindless consumerism but a celebration of community / the seasons and feasting.... where each family come out and bring their families food and share with other families , including those that live alone. This sounds far too sociable. You could be our village Grinch and reign aloft spitting on the children ... " As tempting as this sounds I like Christmas. People moaning about it I don't like. And the social side I'm not overy keen on. Actually, I'll take the job. | |||
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"Christmas - no, I can put up with it. What should be abolished is greedy retailers starting to shove Christmas down our throats from August. Keep Christmas shopping to late November and December. Also, the true meaning of Christmas should be reminded to people rather than just the "spend, spend and spend" push. whats the true meaning and do you go to church to confess all your sins? "I think someone on the thread already mentioned - less consumerism, less spending what you can't afford to create the "perfect" Christmas but much more being considerate, friendly, particularly to those less fortunate. Sharing with others, spreading the peace and joy. It does not have to be under the banner of any religion, just being a good human being. Which I think a lot of us have forgotten how to do. | |||
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"Christmas - no, I can put up with it. What should be abolished is greedy retailers starting to shove Christmas down our throats from August. Keep Christmas shopping to late November and December. Also, the true meaning of Christmas should be reminded to people rather than just the "spend, spend and spend" push. whats the true meaning and do you go to church to confess all your sins?
I think someone on the thread already mentioned - less consumerism, less spending what you can't afford to create the "perfect" Christmas but much more being considerate, friendly, particularly to those less fortunate. Sharing with others, spreading the peace and joy. It does not have to be under the banner of any religion, just being a good human being. Which I think a lot of us have forgotten how to do. "yes we have but it is christ mass don't forget | |||
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"yes we have but it is christ mass don't forget "Mass as in "mass-ive" spending? No, thanks, trying to break from that. "Mass-ive" twats? Trying to avoid those. Unless you mean the Holy Mass or Midnight Mass - too disillusioned with religion to attend any more. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. " I've just had a conversation with a friend who was shocked to discover that Christmas isn't celebrated widely in Japan. I said it's because they're mostly not christian and she genuinely doesn't understand what that's got to do with it. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished?" No. Why? | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. I've just had a conversation with a friend who was shocked to discover that Christmas isn't celebrated widely in Japan. I said it's because they're mostly not christian and she genuinely doesn't understand what that's got to do with it. " Let's not abolish Christmas. Let's abolish stupidity
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. I've just had a conversation with a friend who was shocked to discover that Christmas isn't celebrated widely in Japan. I said it's because they're mostly not christian and she genuinely doesn't understand what that's got to do with it. " And I thought christmas was invented by a Clinton's cards and argos joint venture. Next thing you know they'll be abolishing blackfriday.. A special day of the week to help us appreciate our privilege. | |||
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"Christmas is whatever you choose to make it. Time to staff and catch up with friends and family that you don’t see very often. Traditions that you create yourself. Time for meditation and reflection or your faith. No one is forcing anybody to overspend, go into debt, put on weight, , drink too much, or order ridiculous amounts of landfill bound Amazon crap" People are unable to think for themselves though. This is the real problem! | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. I've just had a conversation with a friend who was shocked to discover that Christmas isn't celebrated widely in Japan. I said it's because they're mostly not christian and she genuinely doesn't understand what that's got to do with it. " I used to work in the US, and people there were utterly bemused at the idea that Thanksgiving isn’t celebrated in other countries. | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. " What's religious about Christmas? 
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. I've just had a conversation with a friend who was shocked to discover that Christmas isn't celebrated widely in Japan. I said it's because they're mostly not christian and she genuinely doesn't understand what that's got to do with it. I used to work in the US, and people there were utterly bemused at the idea that Thanksgiving isn’t celebrated in other countries. " There are other countries? | |||
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"Just a yes/no Should Christmas be totally abolished? And how would you go about “abolishing” Christmas? You do realise it’s a religious festival don’t you? So you propose banning a religious celebration? Of course it shouldn’t be “abolished”. I've just had a conversation with a friend who was shocked to discover that Christmas isn't celebrated widely in Japan. I said it's because they're mostly not christian and she genuinely doesn't understand what that's got to do with it. I used to work in the US, and people there were utterly bemused at the idea that Thanksgiving isn’t celebrated in other countries. " I can excuse this sort of thing in children - not in adults. | |||
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"No absolutely not. Christmas is basically for children why would you do that to them." I feel for parents who have a huge amount of pressure on them to buy their kids the latest expensive gadgets. Terrible. | |||
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"Yes. Why are people celebrating what is no more than a fairy story?" Like most things, meaning can evolve over time. Peace, goodwill, generosity, gifts - they can be cultural values and metaphors rather than a tale in a collection of ancient texts. | |||
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"Yes. Why are people celebrating what is no more than a fairy story?" Why should they be stopped? You seem to be suggesting that all religious observance should be “abolished”? | |||
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"Yes. Why are people celebrating what is no more than a fairy story?" Because it's a free world.. And why not? | |||
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"No absolutely not. Christmas is basically for children why would you do that to them. I feel for parents who have a huge amount of pressure on them to buy their kids the latest expensive gadgets. Terrible. "
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"Yes. Why are people celebrating what is no more than a fairy story?" Because fairy stories just tell you what life could look like in a make believe type of world whereas this story is of greater significance in that it recites the story of an event that was prophesied a long time ago and deals with humans biggest issues how can their sins be dealt with.... Then again, I guess some people are not that concerned about that so for them it is just another public holiday, I could be wrong though... | |||
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