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Loved Joey for Newcastle (as a player) but he has proven time and time again that he is a scumbag. He’s currently promoting a new podcast and is using the controversial opinion technique to get people listening. |
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"I'd personally rather have men for mens football and visa versa 
Give me Alex Scott over Michael Owen or Lee Dixon any day of the week."
no i like lee Dixon and Michael Owen but my faves are Gary, Alan and the other one |
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He’s sub human scum. Representation and inclusion are important. It’s also important to me that any pundit can provide top level insight. That’s not always the case with the females but there’s also been some shocking male pundits |
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"The problem is, we live in an Era where box ticking is the more important than anything else"
Exactly. All presenters should be there on merit not gender. There isnkk way thst it should be anything near 50:50 split. |
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Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good. |
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"Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good."
The problem with the merit argument is that women pundits are relatively new in the men’s game. Shearer was awful when he first started but has since became one of the better ones. You have to give them a chance to get better and be more comfortable in front of the camera rather than ditching them because a few fragile men are complaining. |
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"Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good.
The problem with the merit argument is that women pundits are relatively new in the men’s game. Shearer was awful when he first started but has since became one of the better ones. You have to give them a chance to get better and be more comfortable in front of the camera rather than ditching them because a few fragile men are complaining."
I agree, Lineker was awful to start as well, more wooden than Pinocchio. That said, at times when the coverage is predominantly female for a male game it does feel a bit strange, can you imagine the uproar if the female game coverage was dominated by male pundits? All about balance and ability. |
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"Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good.
The problem with the merit argument is that women pundits are relatively new in the men’s game. Shearer was awful when he first started but has since became one of the better ones. You have to give them a chance to get better and be more comfortable in front of the camera rather than ditching them because a few fragile men are complaining.
I agree, Lineker was awful to start as well, more wooden than Pinocchio. That said, at times when the coverage is predominantly female for a male game it does feel a bit strange, can you imagine the uproar if the female game coverage was dominated by male pundits? All about balance and ability."
I haven’t watched a match on a UK station that has a predominantly female punditry team and I don’t watch enough women’s football to comment on that. I think it’s the usual people that call everyone else snowflakes getting upset over nothing. It really doesn’t matter. |
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"Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good.
The problem with the merit argument is that women pundits are relatively new in the men’s game. Shearer was awful when he first started but has since became one of the better ones. You have to give them a chance to get better and be more comfortable in front of the camera rather than ditching them because a few fragile men are complaining.
I agree, Lineker was awful to start as well, more wooden than Pinocchio. That said, at times when the coverage is predominantly female for a male game it does feel a bit strange, can you imagine the uproar if the female game coverage was dominated by male pundits? All about balance and ability.
I haven’t watched a match on a UK station that has a predominantly female punditry team and I don’t watch enough women’s football to comment on that. I think it’s the usual people that call everyone else snowflakes getting upset over nothing. It really doesn’t matter."
Been a few games I've watched where the majority of presenters and pundits have been female, as you say, doesn't really matter if they are any good, and us dinosaurs just need to get used to it. Have some friends who get really irate about it which I don't get, that said they also get irate with idiots such as Clinton Morrison who is woeful. I like some of the younger pundits coming through like Jermaine Beckford. And I think Karen Carney is really good. |
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I’d understand his argument if it wasn’t targeted towards women, because I’ve seen some very poor presenting with not only comments and views, but personality and onscreen presence.
However, I’d definitely wouldn’t single out women. It’s irrelevant to dismiss a view even based at the speed and intensity of the game. You could even argue this between the men’s divisions, or even past decades when the game was at a slower pace and footballers weren’t primed thoroughbred athletes.
Always had a penchant for Alex Scott. Gives great warmth on the screen, down to earth and some of her tactical views are spot on and current. Even old school Souness was lost and clearly out of touch with the modern day approach.
That’s one of many female presenters. Kate Abdo is enjoyable to watch. More than adequate knowledge and understanding to chat with analysts but a great presenter with top banter. |
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"Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good.
The problem with the merit argument is that women pundits are relatively new in the men’s game. Shearer was awful when he first started but has since became one of the better ones. You have to give them a chance to get better and be more comfortable in front of the camera rather than ditching them because a few fragile men are complaining.
I agree, Lineker was awful to start as well, more wooden than Pinocchio. That said, at times when the coverage is predominantly female for a male game it does feel a bit strange, can you imagine the uproar if the female game coverage was dominated by male pundits? All about balance and ability.
I haven’t watched a match on a UK station that has a predominantly female punditry team and I don’t watch enough women’s football to comment on that. I think it’s the usual people that call everyone else snowflakes getting upset over nothing. It really doesn’t matter.
Been a few games I've watched where the majority of presenters and pundits have been female, as you say, doesn't really matter if they are any good, and us dinosaurs just need to get used to it. Have some friends who get really irate about it which I don't get, that said they also get irate with idiots such as Clinton Morrison who is woeful. I like some of the younger pundits coming through like Jermaine Beckford. And I think Karen Carney is really good."
I have a few who get worked up over it too. I’m watching for the football and the rest is secondary. I get more angry when I hear Sam Matterface and Lee Dixon than anyone else. Just give me Ally McCoist on co-commentary and I’m happy. |
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Just to add. I agree with the comment about Karen Carney and like most presenters coming from a profession into media, you could feel her nerves and onscreen presence when she first started, albeit knowledgeable.
Now she is way more experienced and way more confident and as a result becoming more reputable and a regular face.
As mentioned, very much the same as Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer etcetera when starting out.
Besides, she’s a Blue Nose so she’s always going to be amazing in my eyes. Even in the early days. So scratch the comments above.  |
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I think there will always be people that see female commentators on men's sport as woke nonsense without any issue with men commentating on women's sport. Those people are idiots.
Meanwhile, I love the female commentators on TMS, Isha Guha and Alex Hartley more than hold their own. Gender doesn't come into it.
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"I think there will always be people that see female commentators on men's sport as woke nonsense without any issue with men commentating on women's sport. Those people are idiots.
Meanwhile, I love the female commentators on TMS, Isha Guha and Alex Hartley more than hold their own. Gender doesn't come into it.
G"
TMS is the benchmark against which all sport commentary should be measured, its brilliant across the board. |
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Somewhere in the middle with this one tbf, as in any walk of life there are good and bad.
There are some excellent female commentators and pundits, and then there some that I do question might be there to tick the right gender / diversity boxes.
There’s one commentator who I think might be Kiwi / Australian on the BBC who is appalling and I have to switch off when’s she’s on.
Having said that there are some woeful male commentators and pundits too, eg I just couldn’t listen to Alan Green in the end so I’m an equal opportunities dismisser of football punditry!  |
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"And just as an example, Sky's coverage for tonight's game, 2 females and one male. All doing a good job, but wouldn't happen for coverage of a woman's game if the genders were reversed. "
But it does/has happened...Sky's used male presenters alongside women for the WSL, and the BBC have Nedum Onuoha (ex-Man City) for their WSL highlights show. Just for the record, the 2 Sky female presenters for tonight's game are Kelly Cates, daughter of Kenny Dalglish, and Izzy Christiansen, former Everton and England player - so it's not like they don't know football! |
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"Comes down to how good people are and the ability to enhance the viewer experience. Think the broadcasters need to also think about their audience and to quote the footballing analogy pick people on merit rather than just tick boxes. Some male and female pundits are rubbish and should be ditched in favour of those who are really good.
The problem with the merit argument is that women pundits are relatively new in the men’s game. Shearer was awful when he first started but has since became one of the better ones. You have to give them a chance to get better and be more comfortable in front of the camera rather than ditching them because a few fragile men are complaining.
I agree, Lineker was awful to start as well, more wooden than Pinocchio. That said, at times when the coverage is predominantly female for a male game it does feel a bit strange, can you imagine the uproar if the female game coverage was dominated by male pundits? All about balance and ability."
Why is it a bit strange that predominantly women were pundits on men's football? Pundits/commentators for things like athletics are of any gender and they are quite able to commentate on men or women or able bodied or disabled athletes. It's entirely about knowing the sport and the participants. That's all. Gender is irrelevant. Or should be.
Many managers in the women's game are men - is that weird? If not, why not? |
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"The problem is, we live in an Era where box ticking is the more important than anything else
Exactly. All presenters should be there on merit not gender. There isnkk way thst it should be anything near 50:50 split. "
It's an even split in the uk population so how could you possibly have more men ? |
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"Somewhere in the middle with this one tbf, as in any walk of life there are good and bad.
There are some excellent female commentators and pundits, and then there some that I do question might be there to tick the right gender / diversity boxes.
There’s one commentator who I think might be Kiwi / Australian on the BBC who is appalling and I have to switch off when’s she’s on.
Having said that there are some woeful male commentators and pundits too, eg I just couldn’t listen to Alan Green in the end so I’m an equal opportunities dismisser of football punditry! "
But you'd say he's a shite commentator NOT that he shouldn't be in the job because he's a man ....
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By *or7Man 47 weeks ago
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Barton original comment was that women 'shouldn't be anywhere near the men's game'
Then during the interview with Piers Morgan he said it was fine if they are qualified, he doesn't even know his own arguments.
Met him a few times when he was manager at The Gas, liked him as a manager, but now he is just trying to build himself a reputation as a media personality.
Stop being a dick Joey. |
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Mixed views.
On one hand there is far too much box ticking nowadays. But then if a woman is good at their job, they should be more than able to critique a game of football regardless of what the players have between their legs.
The only certain here in this whole debate is that Joey Barton is a massive attention seeking twunt.
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