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Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth?
I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony?
Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years.
Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them.
I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me. |
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But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why? |
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"Elephants do it... everyone does it, only humans need drugs.."
Everyone doesn't do it. Only females do!
I didn't have drugs or gas and air.. One I didn't know what harm the drugs would do to the baby and, two, I didn't have time!
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So why is our pain threshold so poor against the animals?
Even chimps, 99% dna match with us, they are swinging, if you excuse the pun, from an early age .. |
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?"
maybe because we can talk... we dont know what a animal feels, or understand them so you cant speak for them, for all you know they could be begging for drugs in there animal language but we dont understand haha and animals look after their babies just like humans do.
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"So why is our pain threshold so poor against the animals?
Even chimps, 99% dna match with us, they are swinging, if you excuse the pun, from an early age .."
you do not know what giving birth feels like, to talk about poor pain threshold is a bit silly animals do not communicate like humans so you will never know if hurts them the way it does humans, but giving birth is one of the most painful things a human can do, thats why only woman do it lol
i think when u hear a monkey say after giving birth 'damn that shit was eassssy' then this really makes no sense to me |
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I didnt say animals look after their babies like humans did i? read back couldnt see it. Not looking for a fight, i want to know why humans feel so much pain and why babies take so long to be able to fend for themselves?Look at Blue whales, they give birth and the wee ones can feed and swim immedietly . |
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"I didnt say animals look after their babies like humans did i? read back couldnt see it. Not looking for a fight, i want to know why humans feel so much pain and why babies take so long to be able to fend for themselves?Look at Blue whales, they give birth and the wee ones can feed and swim immedietly . "
because babys are not whales? lol humans are not animals so things are going to be different, .... ?? fight? who is fighting? |
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Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking. Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please |
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"Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking. Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please"
yes actually i gave birth got off the bed went into the shower and walked to the special care unit... what do u think we do, lay in bed for a week after lol
i did not swing in trees tho as i only do that on a weekend... i am not taking it anyway, it seems your taking my typing tone the wrong way... lol if you actually read what i wrote i state i never had any drugs including gas and air, so no personal slur from me, i am just trying to reply to what your saying, cant help it if u dont like ym replys lol |
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Kitty your just not answering any of my questions. Saying that you didnt give birth to a whale doesnt really clear it up. I hope some other people who have some idea about the physicallity or mentallity difference and the reason why as kids we are so back wards then become the most intelligent species in the world after 20 years of being around would be great.
There must be a reason why we are so bad at pain and slow to be self sufficent? |
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"Kitty your just not answering any of my questions. Saying that you didnt give birth to a whale doesnt really clear it up. I hope some other people who have some idea about the physicallity or mentallity difference and the reason why as kids we are so back wards then become the most intelligent species in the world after 20 years of being around would be great.
There must be a reason why we are so bad at pain and slow to be self sufficent?"
yea hopefully someone will come along and help you out soon. as it seems you really need the help.  |
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"Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking. Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please
yes actually i gave birth got off the bed went into the shower and walked to the special care unit... what do u think we do, lay in bed for a week after lol
i did not swing in trees tho as i only do that on a weekend... i am not taking it anyway, it seems your taking my typing tone the wrong way... lol if you actually read what i wrote i state i never had any drugs including gas and air, so no personal slur from me, i am just trying to reply to what your saying, cant help it if u dont like ym replys lol"
i did awnser, maybe you just did not like the reply lol |
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I believe its to do with the pelvic changes triggered by evolving to walk upright.
To sustain truly upright posture everything is stacked in line which it isn't in other creatures so a human pelvis must separate during the birth process and nerves run closer to the pertinent bit.
Also the pregnancy weighs on other organs and nerves in a way it doesn't in animals which walk on all fours. |
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Thanks librarian, but how would you explain the fact our babies take so long to be able to look after themselves? Any ideas?
Kitty i looked and couldnt see your answer hun.Can you explain better? |
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How do you know that animals don't suffer pain during labour? They can't tell us it hurts can they?
And baby animals learn to stand up and walk almost straight away because they are or were wild animals so need to be able to get away if they are under threat!
That's my answers anyway |
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"I believe its to do with the pelvic changes triggered by evolving to walk upright.
To sustain truly upright posture everything is stacked in line which it isn't in other creatures so a human pelvis must separate during the birth process and nerves run closer to the pertinent bit.
Also the pregnancy weighs on other organs and nerves in a way it doesn't in animals which walk on all fours."
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" you asked....Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking.
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yes actually i gave birth got off the bed went into the shower and walked to the special care unit... what do u think we do, lay in bed for a week after lol
i did not swing in trees tho as i only do that on a weekend... so not every human does not walk around after giving birth i dont think i know anyone who was not up and about mins after a natural birth?
Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please
i disagreed with this as i had no pain relief at all, so just pointing out your making comments like everyone is the same, woman use pain meds some woman dont?
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So when did we lose the ability to stand straight away and run? Or did we ever do it? Did we lose the ability through evolution?
Did women always suffer from sever pain? Oh and do human females go into labour for longer than animals? So many questions lol |
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"So when did we lose the ability to stand straight away and run? Or did we ever do it? Did we lose the ability through evolution?
Did women always suffer from sever pain? Oh and do human females go into labour for longer than animals? So many questions lol"
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Newborns have the same grip reflex as other baby primates but the modification in human body hair (which some believe came about during a period where we were more aquatic) means there is nothing for them to grip onto.
The theory of a brief close to shore aquatic period when body hair became finer and shorter (we still have the same amount of follicles) holds water (sorry) since newborns can instinctively swim and hold their breath under water. If they are regularly given the chance they will not lose the ability (see classic album cover).
The aquatic theory is posited as a defence against land-based predators.
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"Ok got you Kitty, you were up and walking and fine after giving birth with no pain relief.
Are you a one off? Or are all women fit so soon after?"
no way a one off, lots of women do it lol i have had a labour with pain relief and was still up within half hour walking about, and the same with my labour with no pain relief... god loads of women give birth with no pain meds, u serious u dont know this lol... also if u have a healthy fine delivery most women go home 6 hours after birth |
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Cool, am liking your answers but, on the walking or looking after themselves, does it take about 5 or more years for kids? Why so long? Is it because we appear to be safe? No predators? If so, did we evolve quicker hundreds of years ago when we werent so advanced? |
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48 and no i dont know. Do you? can you explain the reasons why as a species we are so backwards to start with then accelerate so fast? Please tell no matter what age you are |
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"Ok got you Kitty, you were up and walking and fine after giving birth with no pain relief.
Are you a one off? Or are all women fit so soon after?"
In agrarian communities many women leave their work when labour pains begin, find a slender but sturdy tree to grip and give birth in a squatting position.
We only began to lie down after on of the French kings wanted to watch his heir be born and ordered it for a better a view. And as a celeb led society other soon spread aided by the easier access it gave medical professionals.
It is a more uncomfortable position, but medical science has advanced to give a much higher survival rate for both mother and child so few argue.
I do suspect a shift in knowledge about and attitude to labour pain have lead to a different expectation - when little pain relief was available and many lived
with other pain relief(ie dental ) in a way which is regarded as u.acceptable today the experience of pain is very different. |
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Jangles, did you know that? I certainly didnt. Still want to know about the kid thing though. I believe our intelligence and ability to make drugs to help means that we take it when needed. But now why are kids so slow to progress? |
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Lots of baby animals are left to fend for themselves. Its survival instinct for them. Either they make it or they die. They are animals.
Humans however, if left don't have the capability to fend for themselves as they can't speak, crawl, walk etc.. hence we know the outcome. Death! |
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Possibly another evolution thing. Probably to do with brain differences. We have evolved a brain capable of communication and scientific reasoning, of tool use that built computers, radars, spacecraft and large hadron colliders.
Something in there had to give to allow that neurological development surely? |
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Yes I know about the many different procedures to giving birth. Both my daughters were born differently. My first near killed me and my second was a breeze. Hospitals cater for home delivering or set up different ways for what's comfortable for the mother. whether that be in water, squatting or lay on her back. Each persons pain threshold is different. So everyone's experience is going to be different. |
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I think maybe your question is more on evolution and giving birth just an example, something Sir David Attenborough would be more qualified to answer but as he is unlikely to be here you are left with us women to give you answers about experiences during labour and childbirth. We all have our own stories to tell but women all over the world still give birth without the aid of medical help, pain relief and hospitals, deliver baby, wrap it up, strap to their back and carry on with their daily chores. I can't answer why our offspring are helpless for so long but many other species are too. |
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"What happens if we have a nuke or a meteor and puts us back to basics, will we be fecked? Will kids grow quicker and be able to walk faster?
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Just as dinosaurs faced an extinction event so might we - over-specification is not always a good thing. |
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The reason is the same as the reason human women seem to feel more pain. When humans stood upright the pelvis closed slightly, which meant that as well as squeezing a baby through a smaller gap. The baby is born at a stage where it's head is smaller, and therefore less developed, so it's less capable of looking after itself.
It's also to do with the type of animals we are, other animals that live in large social groups also have their young born more 'helpless' and are nurtured by the group. Solitary and prey animals don't and need be capable from birth. |
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Because of evolution.
We learnt to walk upright and our hips became more solid, we gained intillegence and our heads became bigger.. Then we had to push that head through those hips :/
As for the growing process.. Well for starters all species have different life spans and the growing up process is based on that, so look at how long youth is for an animal with a simular life span?
Also we regard an animal grown up once it can reproduce.. Well how old are humans when they can repoduce.. Average around 13? |
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Oh and look at the need for survival in the animal kingdom, take a deer, if it doesn't get up and walk quickly it will become prey.. We have lost that need to survive.
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over a year ago
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"Oh and look at the need for survival in the animal kingdom, take a deer, if it doesn't get up and walk quickly it will become prey.. We have lost that need to survive.
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Why are we not close to extinction? Lots of animals are more helpless than even humans. Take kangaroos. They are practically foetuses still at birth. |
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over a year ago
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth?
I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony?
Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years.
Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them.
I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me."
ok think bowling ball out your arse..painkillers ???  |
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Surely where drugs are concerned animals don't have that opportunity whereas humans do? And I would imagine that they experience pain in a similar way to humans. As to self sufficiency, I guess animals have to be as they are born in the wild |
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?"
i think theres a strong possibility that if creatures like elephants (as you mentioned them) had the know how and ability to have built and equiped their own hospital with drugs to make life better.. then they probably would.
Why do humans because we have thr facilities and option.. animals probably would if they could. But then in nature natural selection and survival also works. where as us mere humans work flat out to ensure people live, survive and exist where natural selection in the animal world decides who breeds ( only the strongest) and only the strongest and healthiest survive to breeding age anyway.
And no alot of women do not have drugs to give birth. |
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I've seen plenty of nature programmes where the animal giving birth is clearly in pain.
I didn't have any pain relief with my sons birth but it was horrendous!! I've never known anything like it. It's indescribable and unless someone has experienced it they won't understand the pain.
Also in the wild the amount of babies born compared to the amount that actually survive to be a few months or even a year old because they are left to fend for themselves is due to predators etc. humans don't have babies and then chuck em out the front door to take care of themselves. |
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I had my daughter at home and my son at a birth centre. No drugs with either. Pain managed through breathing and movement. Although complications after my son's birth would have resulted in me dying after the birth if I had not been giving birth in a developed country. That said, we, in the uk, have a terrible record for still births for a developed nation. Child birth is dangerous whatever mammaal you happen to be. Women die during childbirth, babies die during childbirth, animals die during childbirth. Medical care makes it less so, but not risk free. Some women can be up and about straight after with no issues, as I was with my daughter. Other women's bodies suffer much more in labour which means that's more difficult.
Evolution means that are babies are not in danger directly after birth. They don't need to get up and walk straight away. Also, the length of time developing inside the mother varies from animal to animal, getting them to different stages of development. The growth of the brain and the size of the opening reduce the time inside. My son was 9lb 14 at birth. That's big enough |
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I can't believe that if you watch nature programmes you believe animals just pop them out. It's clear they are in physical distress when giving birth. It's just they don't have the vocal cords to shout 'you fucking bastard Harold you did this to me you are never coming near me again!!!!'
Ite obvious why they don't use drugs in the Wild so that is a stupid question. If we still lived in caves we wouldn't have drugs but we have evolved and developed things to make our lives simpler and pain free as much as possible.
The fact that we have the largest brains of any animal on the planet means that it takes linger for our offspring to develop. |
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Only humans need drugs because only humans are offered them,if animals could speak and had them readily available they would be off their rockers an all.
And the thing about animals being able to do stuff earlier they advance quicker and don't live as long isn't a dog an adult at about 2.
Anyway who cares gas and air is ace  |
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"I can't believe that if you watch nature programmes you believe animals just pop them out. It's clear they are in physical distress when giving birth. It's just they don't have the vocal cords to shout 'you fucking bastard Harold you did this to me you are never coming near me again!!!!'
Ite obvious why they don't use drugs in the Wild so that is a stupid question. If we still lived in caves we wouldn't have drugs but we have evolved and developed things to make our lives simpler and pain free as much as possible.
The fact that we have the largest brains of any animal on the planet means that it takes linger for our offspring to develop."
It does seem that nature had diverted development to the most important area, in humans it's the brain in animals the need to survive
this is down to evolution |
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"I didnt say animals look after their babies like humans did i? read back couldnt see it. Not looking for a fight, i want to know why humans feel so much pain and why babies take so long to be able to fend for themselves?Look at Blue whales, they give birth and the wee ones can feed and swim immedietly . "
i have not posted on the forums for an age because i don't like that u can get booted for an opnion (different story) but firstly i have seen births u couldn't imagine in wildiest dreams were woman has been mintutes for losing her life so seriously don't think of pain threshholds i have also seen births were she was almost oragsmic the whole time so there is a huge differnce and to your point on helplness babies r born with surival techinques we even check for them they can cling to a mother if necessary its called the grasp techinque. but seriously without being rude you are a male and have therefore a limit at best ubderstanding of birth and excuse me if i think your species ie. men r at fault for getting women into hospitals before doctors interfered woman gave birth happily with women and a dam good job they did of it too. but no man knew better and now drugs r the norm in hospitals but home births are still a amazing experience to watch and be part of so please do not assume you know without facts
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?"
Many animals die giving birth. Many animals in captivity are assisted. It's quite possible for a woman to give birth without a hospital or drugs. I've done it, as did my mum and my poor little sister ended up delivering her baby on the bathroom floor totally alone
Have you ever watched an animal give birth first hand
they feel pain.
It's more to do with what is available now. Why shouldn't it be made more comfortable.
For the record most pain relief i used for any of mine was gas and air. Mostly used gravity and listened to my body.
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" humans don't have babies and then chuck em out the front door to take care of themselves. "
This is very true. My brother was 25 before he was anywhere near capable of looking after himself, and he actually moved in with his wife so he still didn't need to!  |
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Being the brightest mammal on the planet, with the ultimate ability to develop existential consciousness and language, comes at a cost. It takes a long time to develop these skills and so it is essential that intensive socialisation and close care takes place for those crucial years when the child's brain is still developing. As for birth, it really fucking hurts, so don't knock it until you've tried it!!! |
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth?
I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony?
Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years.
Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them.
I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me."
Because as every man knows, women are the most lazy, whining, mardy species on the planet. Everything they do is an effort and they have to make a big issue out of the simplest of tasks. I mean, they'll moan about pushing a 7lb baby out of a 10cm dilated hole, just as they'll moan about having a 8 inch cock shoved in their arse!...BUT, you just watch em try and squeeze themselves into a dress thats a size to small, and they'll say it fits perfectly!  |
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because we over do everything - the idea of home births / water births is looked at as hippish alot of time -
hospitals take alot of the 'natural' way of giving birth out of the equation so intervention becomes more necessary as our bodies are not allowed to do what they want
Also survival of the fittest people that would have died during labour with us ut doesnt happen any more - things like narrow birthing canals etc are not breed out as there are ways around them - nature in its true form doesnt have this
Millions of women around the world do do it every day without aid |
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not discounting the human female feeling immense pain during childbirth..but the separation of an animal psyche can be as simple as, they dont have the function perceiving their pain, they dont compare it with how they feel when they arent in pain.
When the brain says we feel pain, and it eventually sinks in, with thought..the pain can be worse..its basically a reason some people can meditate then walk across fire,hang weights from the ends of their cocks etc etc etc |
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Have you ever seen an animal give birth, my cat had litter of kittens and panted and moaned so they do feel pain, everyone pain tolerance is differnet,some women need pain relief more than others. I find toothache more niggling than I found labour |
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Evolution goes some way to explaining as to why human babies are helpless for so long. Animals with natural preditors either have babies that can move, or if they are migratory/ grazing or herd animals offspring that can move with the herd. Some animals nest away from predetors to protect their offspring
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth?
I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony?
Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years.
Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them.
I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me."
For a start, human females shouldn't be giving birth on their backs, it's not the natural way to do it. That silliness is attributed to Louis XIV's desire to watch the birth of his (presumed) child; so he instructed his mistress’ doctor to have her lie down, while he hid behind a screen. The doctor realised that it was a lot easier for him to see what was going on, as well as less humbling to be able to sit or stand and be at the woman’s level or over her, rather than kneel or squat under the woman.
He began requesting that all of the women he attended give birth in bed, and also popularised it among his peers. Soon it became the norm for doctors to insist on supine positions–for their convenience. Then, when birth became medicalised and standardised, and the doctors of the 1600s passed on their norms to those of the 1700s and then the 1800s, and then the 1900s, it became “normal” to give birth lying down. In fact, once anaesthesia became available and widely used, it was necessary for the woman to lie down. The typical hospital birth for most of the 1900s was to anesthetize the woman, cut a large episiotomy, and drag the baby out with forceps. So lying down in labour and birth is “the norm” but it is far from “normal”. |
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth?
I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony?
Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years.
Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them.
I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me."
I don't know whether you're being serious or not.
You could ask why do humans need to live in houses with central heating when the beasts in the wild are happy in the wilde.
I'm nota biologist but I'd assume some animals are born ready for flight as it were because there are predetors and they need to be able to move pretty sharpish. Also animal special don't tend to hang around - they stay until their offspring are fledged, able to look after themselves.
Sadly, humans are not so lucky - our offspring hang around for decades bleeding us dry - but there's the breaks! |
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Basically, due to our walking upright, the shape of the pelvis has changed. This means that during labour the baby is forced through an even smaller hole than that of our ancestors or closest genetic relations. We do not need drugs during labour but if these advances have been made available why not use them? Other animals don't rely on drugs and obviously also feel intense pain, but animals in captivity often are assisted during labour. If the knowledge is there, we may as well use it.
With regard to your questions about human development, you have to realise that all animals have different gestational development, life expectancies and cognitive function. Humans take relatively longer to walk because most of us have no predators waiting to eat our children, and a lot more things to learn when we are very young. For humans, the ability to communicate effectively comes before becoming self sufficient. We are after all, social animals.
I hope this has gone some way to answering your question. |
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"Ok got you Kitty, you were up and walking and fine after giving birth with no pain relief.
Are you a one off? Or are all women fit so soon after?"
I've had 3 kids...very easy births, in labour for about 2 hours..I did tear as well so was far from pain free, I didn't have time for drugs with my boys...
Some people have a higher pain barrier i guess, i don't really feel much pain with piercings or tattoo's either..!!  |
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Its something to do with the size of the human brain in comparison to other mammals... we actually have a larger brain to body size ratio at birth, its also another reason towards our helplessness for so long... even in the wild some mammals have issues, hence some mothers still dying during any type of birth. If you were to actually look around you more you might realise on TV you only see the success stories, many farmers will tell you that they will have had a cow needing a C-Section, as do horses sometimes.... its not just humans that have problems. I could go on for hours .... xx |
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Childbirth is the point in life when both mother and child are just a hairsbreadth from death.
Even in modern hospitals with all the medical marvels and drugs and knowhow both mothers and children die and the doctors don't always understand why till the autopsy. |
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"oh and until you have a womb and have felt a contraction, you have no vaild point to make regarding anything about giving birth  "
you've clearly never experienced man flu!
seriously though on 5live a few weeks back they interviewed a professor who'd actually discovered that a part of the brain the looks at and measures pain is bigger in males so we feel pain more was the conclusion! go figure.... lol
however, mine is managed by a spinal implant.. |
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?
Many animals die giving birth. Many animals in captivity are assisted. It's quite possible for a woman to give birth without a hospital or drugs. I've done it, as did my mum and my poor little sister ended up delivering her baby on the bathroom floor totally alone
Have you ever watched an animal give birth first hand
they feel pain.
It's more to do with what is available now. Why shouldn't it be made more comfortable.
For the record most pain relief i used for any of mine was gas and air. Mostly used gravity and listened to my body.
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Me too gas and air for all four, bloody painful and exhausting, our youngest was the worst very painful and hard work nearly killed me.
And J just said "whats up with you ? You must be used to it by now I know it must smart a bit but come on love"! Cant repeat what my reply was but it was not nice.
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