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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry

Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?

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By *estarossa.Woman  over a year ago

Flagrante

Oh, Elitism? On Fab? Well I never!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We're all guilty of not being perfectly matched for each other.

Apart from me because I'm perfect anyway.

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry


"Oh, Elitism? On Fab? Well I never!"

The elit-est!

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By *wist my nipplesCouple  over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

I subscribe to the idea of treating others like human beings. That goes for real life and on here. If I stick with that, and don't get bogged down in all the semantics and shouting, I find things work out. By work out, I don't mean I get a shag. I just mean I keep a sense of proportion and self worth.

Mrs TMN x

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By *ealMissShadyWoman  over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

I like 'em breathing preferably....And if they have offer of kebab then I'm in

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hell yeah

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

On the other hand, if you have no standards or self respect, drop me a message...

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By *affron40Woman  over a year ago

manchester

I’m not looking for anything but still have some great conversations. My profile is as clear as it needs to be. I just delete what I don’t want to read. Works just fine

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By *hief_Of_AlwaysMan  over a year ago

London or Bedford

Am I looking for “quality” on Fab?

That’s like goin’ to McDonald’s for fine cuisine

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No.

Because I’m a dude.

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By *otSoPoshWoman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I’m not looking for anything but still have some great conversations. My profile is as clear as it needs to be. I just delete what I don’t want to read. Works just fine "

And this is why you're winning at fab.

What Saff said also applies to me...

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually

In short, yes

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Quality, probably not.

Do I put in effort, including respect etc? Yes. And yes I do expect that in return.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

Yes.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I don't "deserve" anything other than respect. If there's mutual attraction, great. If not, I have a stack of books to read.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My profile clearly shows what 'quality' I am. Still get messages from men though.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman  over a year ago

Reading

My good catch is very different from that.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Is the implication of your question that that women who are not of your idea of quality should just be grateful of the opportunity to fuck something they're not attracted to?

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry


"Is the implication of your question that that women who are not of your idea of quality should just be grateful of the opportunity to fuck something they're not attracted to?"

Assuming that was directed toward me, my question is exactly how it's worded, there's no ulterior motive.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh, Elitism? On Fab? Well I never!"

Just what I thought.

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By *adyinred696969Couple  over a year ago

Brecon


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

There is a weird juxtaposition on here as far as the possibility of getting meets is concerned.

On one scale, people are judged on their looks

(lets say on 1 - 10, 1 being having a face only a mother could love, and 10 being gods greatest creation),

...and then there is their personality (again, we could have a 1 - 10 scale, 1 being a complete anti-social troll, and 10 being Mother Teresa).

A lady could have a score of 1x1 and still get laid if she so desired...because there are lots of guys out there just looking to get their dicks wet.

Unfortunately that means ladies don't necessarily need to make any effort.

Many do, but then they get deluged by the many guys on here (not all, before I get accused of man-bashing) who are only here because they think its a sex site, and just by joining, writing two lines and putting up a dick pic, they will be inundated by horny ladies begging to be shagged.

Any lady who is looking for "a good catch" (a guy probably considered to be "above average") would probably have to put a lot of effort in, searching profiles, vetting potential suitors, setting up dates (social meets), and all of this in a world where she supposedly already holds all the cards as far as getting meets is concerned.

Generally, after 14 years of reading the forums, I dont see a whole lot of appetite for that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

How rude.. We are one not frustrated. Sounds like you are op?

Omg.. Deserving that is rich and fab is not a fashion. I am not a fashion freak waiting for what you describe. Nor desperate op. Nice you think intelligence as high standard for meeting it is not mine. Or the adonis.. Sorry but we are diverse here op. Ones intelligence and body shape isnt cracking my code. Nor do believe we have to win you over on your sterotypical description of males on fab

I embrace everyone. Even those high standard adonises ghost me.. Intelligent you said op.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

Yes. When I was meeting my profile and photos where set up to attract a certain kind of guy and luckily it worked

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is the implication of your question that that women who are not of your idea of quality should just be grateful of the opportunity to fuck something they're not attracted to?

Assuming that was directed toward me, my question is exactly how it's worded, there's no ulterior motive."

Explain your sterotypical high standard male that we have to crawl to and frustrated about.

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By *heekyDemandCouple  over a year ago

Leicester

Both men and women are guilty of overhyping when they have perceived flaws, the only real mark of honesty is meeting face to face. No filters, photoshopping, 10 year old pictures. A chat in a club should give you a good idea of personality.

Outside of that everything can be faked.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Is the implication of your question that that women who are not of your idea of quality should just be grateful of the opportunity to fuck something they're not attracted to?

Assuming that was directed toward me, my question is exactly how it's worded, there's no ulterior motive.

Explain your sterotypical high standard male that we have to crawl to and frustrated about. "

Hiding behind "interpretation" is pretty normal

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is like asking guys if they’re hung. Lots of measuring from the arsehole about to happen

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I see myself as deserving of respect. Whether our profile reflects that or not I don't know.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is the implication of your question that that women who are not of your idea of quality should just be grateful of the opportunity to fuck something they're not attracted to?

Assuming that was directed toward me, my question is exactly how it's worded, there's no ulterior motive.

Explain your sterotypical high standard male that we have to crawl to and frustrated about. "

I for one are not what you believe high standard to be.

Nor are fab males we love you all just not into you.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is like asking guys if they’re hung. Lots of measuring from the arsehole about to happen "

So you’re calling all women who think they deserve respect arseholes?

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?"

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is like asking guys if they’re hung. Lots of measuring from the arsehole about to happen

So you’re calling all women who think they deserve respect arseholes?"

Reading is hard, I understand

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is like asking guys if they’re hung. Lots of measuring from the arsehole about to happen

So you’re calling all women who think they deserve respect arseholes?

Reading is hard, I understand "

It would be easier to read if it actually made sense. I can see there’s a dig in there but can’t work it out

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously "

If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is like asking guys if they’re hung. Lots of measuring from the arsehole about to happen

So you’re calling all women who think they deserve respect arseholes?

Reading is hard, I understand

It would be easier to read if it actually made sense. I can see there’s a dig in there but can’t work it out "

It’s ok

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think of men nor myself in terms of "standards". I find it really off putting to consider people that way. Anyone who does would probably judge me harshly and I wouldn't reach their standard. Am I bovvered?

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry."

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores "

Cheers to us

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously "

In response to the original suggestion no I haven't been rebuked, I actually send very few messages and the ones I do are rarely deleted, or more often not even noticed.

I've only been using the forums for a couple of days, but there does seem to be a level of hostility and defensiveness that's quite disappointing, not what I was expecting from a site I assumed was meant to be Liberal and fun?

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London

Women can choose who they want to.

Men can choose what they want to.

They can both complain as much as they want to.

Me personally, I just think constant complaining is such a bloody bore. It's unattractive and reminds me of my sour step mum. The more people complain the less desirable people they will get because no one really likes a woe is me killjoy all the damn time.

There's bigger issues in the world!

And YES I know I'm complaining about people complaining and therefore worthy of 'Its like raaaainnnn' BUT all I'm asking is to spread joy a little more like a sexy Santa, not imply a whole gender is shit.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Brucey.

When you talk sense it makes me want to touch your dong

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth

Yes, I honestly do.

I put in a great deal of effort with the men that I meet regularly. If it's not reciprocated, then I'm done. I judge people by my own standards, and if they don't meet them, we're not compatible. I'm not willing to settle, just for a fuck.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman  over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously

In response to the original suggestion no I haven't been rebuked, I actually send very few messages and the ones I do are rarely deleted, or more often not even noticed.

I've only been using the forums for a couple of days, but there does seem to be a level of hostility and defensiveness that's quite disappointing, not what I was expecting from a site I assumed was meant to be Liberal and fun?"

Ah you'll soon find out that responses vary depending on whether your face fits. Don't let it put you off

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"Brucey.

When you talk sense it makes me want to touch your dong "

But I was attacking all women don't you see!

At least that's what some people here are going to read from that

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! "

Did you have an orgasm?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously

In response to the original suggestion no I haven't been rebuked, I actually send very few messages and the ones I do are rarely deleted, or more often not even noticed.

I've only been using the forums for a couple of days, but there does seem to be a level of hostility and defensiveness that's quite disappointing, not what I was expecting from a site I assumed was meant to be Liberal and fun?"

It doesn’t seem very “liberal and fun” to create a thread asking women if they are worthy of being desired.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women can choose who they want to.

Men can choose what they want to.

They can both complain as much as they want to.

Me personally, I just think constant complaining is such a bloody bore. It's unattractive and reminds me of my sour step mum. The more people complain the less desirable people they will get because no one really likes a woe is me killjoy all the damn time.

There's bigger issues in the world!

And YES I know I'm complaining about people complaining and therefore worthy of 'Its like raaaainnnn' BUT all I'm asking is to spread joy a little more like a sexy Santa, not imply a whole gender is shit."

Ho ho ho

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously

In response to the original suggestion no I haven't been rebuked, I actually send very few messages and the ones I do are rarely deleted, or more often not even noticed.

I've only been using the forums for a couple of days, but there does seem to be a level of hostility and defensiveness that's quite disappointing, not what I was expecting from a site I assumed was meant to be Liberal and fun?

It doesn’t seem very “liberal and fun” to create a thread asking women if they are worthy of being desired.

"

Ouch

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By *melie LALWoman  over a year ago

Peterborough


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

Perhaps it's the behaviour that's low standard rather than the man himself.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

OMG, a guy said something that could be constrused as an insult towards women..

Syphochants and harpies unite and engage to discredit.

Chill the fuck out.

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth


"This is like asking guys if they’re hung. Lots of measuring from the arsehole about to happen

So you’re calling all women who think they deserve respect arseholes?

Reading is hard, I understand

It would be easier to read if it actually made sense. I can see there’s a dig in there but can’t work it out "

Digging himself a hole... An arsehole.

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By *melie LALWoman  over a year ago

Peterborough


"We're all guilty of not being perfectly matched for each other.

Apart from me because I'm perfect in every way."

FTFY Mary

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Am I looking for “quality” on Fab?

That’s like goin’ to McDonald’s for fine cuisine

"

. fine dining too

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously

In response to the original suggestion no I haven't been rebuked, I actually send very few messages and the ones I do are rarely deleted, or more often not even noticed.

I've only been using the forums for a couple of days, but there does seem to be a level of hostility and defensiveness that's quite disappointing, not what I was expecting from a site I assumed was meant to be Liberal and fun?"

Try the Swinger's section, the one below the lounge. Might be more your cup of tea... Or the stories section!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We're all guilty of not being perfectly matched for each other.

Apart from me because I'm perfect in every way.

FTFY Mary "

Thanks, that's so Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious of you.

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us "

I want to be in this girl gang

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By *TG3Man  over a year ago

Dorchester


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

All women deserve respect irrespective of the profile and the women here can expect to get better than they would normally because of the numbers of women to men

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By *ife NinjaMan  over a year ago

Dunfermline


"I like 'em breathing preferably....And if they have offer of kebab then I'm in "

I'll offer pizza

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth

Bruce... Is that why you like older women... Step-mummy issues?

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang "

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality "

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!"

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

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By *melie LALWoman  over a year ago

Peterborough


"Brucey.

When you talk sense it makes me want to touch your dong "

Ding ding merrily on high...

Someone mentioned Santa

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By *melie LALWoman  over a year ago

Peterborough


"Women can choose who they want to.

Men can choose what they want to.

They can both complain as much as they want to.

Me personally, I just think constant complaining is such a bloody bore. It's unattractive and reminds me of my sour step mum. The more people complain the less desirable people they will get because no one really likes a woe is me killjoy all the damn time.

There's bigger issues in the world!

And YES I know I'm complaining about people complaining and therefore worthy of 'Its like raaaainnnn' BUT all I'm asking is to spread joy a little more like a sexy Santa, not imply a whole gender is shit.

Ho ho ho"

She likes hoes

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry


"This thread is basically you taking a dig at women who’ve rejected you, isnt it?

Nonono. That's just us interpreting his perfectly benign question wrong. Obviously

In response to the original suggestion no I haven't been rebuked, I actually send very few messages and the ones I do are rarely deleted, or more often not even noticed.

I've only been using the forums for a couple of days, but there does seem to be a level of hostility and defensiveness that's quite disappointing, not what I was expecting from a site I assumed was meant to be Liberal and fun?

It doesn’t seem very “liberal and fun” to create a thread asking women if they are worthy of being desired.

"

If that's how you interpret it, personally I was expecting more women to say 'damn right!' and take the opportunity to strut their stuff.

Still, some people will always see a half empty glass, and it's rather telling.

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By *heekyDemandCouple  over a year ago

Leicester


"Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!

Did you have an orgasm?"

Don't blame it on the sunshine

Don't blame it on the moonlight

Don't blame it on good times

Blame it on the Brucie

Keep your standards high Brucie, you sexy beast

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Would i be on a swingers website if i wasnt.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"If that's how you interpret it, personally I was expecting more women to say 'damn right!' and take the opportunity to strut their stuff.

Still, some people will always see a half empty glass, and it's rather telling."

Ah, the need to prove things to strangers who imply they're not good enough. Adult women may not be the ideal target audience for that approach.

I hear it works well on small boys

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

If that's how you interpret it, personally I was expecting more women to say 'damn right!' and take the opportunity to strut their stuff.

Still, some people will always see a half empty glass, and it's rather telling."

It’s a hard question because it requires a level of honest self reflection that many find uncomfortable.

It’s the kind self reflection you do privately and then hope your wrong, not openly admit to in a forum

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If that's how you interpret it, personally I was expecting more women to say 'damn right!' and take the opportunity to strut their stuff.

Still, some people will always see a half empty glass, and it's rather telling.

Ah, the need to prove things to strangers who imply they're not good enough. Adult women may not be the ideal target audience for that approach.

I hear it works well on small boys "

Or impressionable young women, which is not a good idea for the women's sake.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?"

noooo

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"Bruce... Is that why you like older women... Step-mummy issues?"

Actually I'm classic daddy issues I'll have you know! Like all you ladies out there

Joking jesusssss even though I've been you know what again already

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?"

You wanted to meet me and you don't even have fishnets?!

Fluffy you've disturbed me one or two times already but THIS

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?"

If Jennie thinks you're alright, you're in

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

If that's how you interpret it, personally I was expecting more women to say 'damn right!' and take the opportunity to strut their stuff.

Still, some people will always see a half empty glass, and it's rather telling."

The only thing that’s telling is your poor attempt at negging.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

If that's how you interpret it, personally I was expecting more women to say 'damn right!' and take the opportunity to strut their stuff.

Still, some people will always see a half empty glass, and it's rather telling.

The only thing that’s telling is your poor attempt at negging. "

mmm. hence vulnerable young women.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

You wanted to meet me and you don't even have fishnets?!

Fluffy you've disturbed me one or two times already but THIS "

What you on about I wanted to meet you?! You tried to crash my pool party you big goon

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

If Jennie thinks you're alright, you're in "

Woohoo I shall correct the wardrobe situation asap

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

If Jennie thinks you're alright, you're in

Woohoo I shall correct the wardrobe situation asap "

£20 on Amazon gets a decent value corset and fishnet holdups to you the next day

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

You wanted to meet me and you don't even have fishnets?!

Fluffy you've disturbed me one or two times already but THIS

What you on about I wanted to meet you?! You tried to crash my pool party you big goon "

A dog paddle pool is not a pool party chicken!

If I had a pound for everytime I had to say that!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

If Jennie thinks you're alright, you're in

Woohoo I shall correct the wardrobe situation asap

£20 on Amazon gets a decent value corset and fishnet holdups to you the next day "

Ooh I’m off to have a look

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

You wanted to meet me and you don't even have fishnets?!

Fluffy you've disturbed me one or two times already but THIS

What you on about I wanted to meet you?! You tried to crash my pool party you big goon

A dog paddle pool is not a pool party chicken!

If I had a pound for everytime I had to say that!"

Now who’s being fussy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Whether someone is 'quality' is irrelevant. I'm actually a good person and treat people with kindness, respect and honesty. I expect these qualities in return from the people I meet on here and in life in general.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple  over a year ago

Leeds

Deserving of a standard of man no I don't think I deserve a set standard of man.

What I do deserve is to be treat as a human, for people to speak as they would in the outside world, not referenced as a piece of meat and not to be flashed in my private inbox. I deserve good manners and decent morals as every women does.

Mrs

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

You wanted to meet me and you don't even have fishnets?!

Fluffy you've disturbed me one or two times already but THIS

What you on about I wanted to meet you?! You tried to crash my pool party you big goon

A dog paddle pool is not a pool party chicken!

If I had a pound for everytime I had to say that!

Now who’s being fussy "

See this is the problem with you women! Always the last word these days eh?!

(Again joke lurkers and well the haters hate anyway jesus Christ have you ever seen stand up comedy)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’ve had a skim through the thread and the replies are kind of as expected.

From my perspective there’s a distinction in what is meant by *quality* I think.

IMHO it’s not unreasonable for anyone (male or female) to expect a quality of *interaction* when being contacted by someone on Fab: a respectable coherent message, non-crude, matching their requirements etc etc.

And of course it’s up to the the individual to define what *physical* qualities they seek in their partners.

The self-reflection bit is more tricky: Is it reasonable (for example) for an out of shape, average looking (subjective of course!) man or woman to demand a fit, attractive partner?

Which is what I *think* the OP is asking / alluding to?

Well of course it is, we’re free to seek what we want, but if such people are not interested in you then is it reasonable to grumble about the quality of contact you’re getting?

On a fuck site with the intention of no-strings sex then females have a lot of power, and can probably demand (and get) a physically “fit” partner. Not necessarily the case for us gents?

It’s kind of different in the dating pool where, on the whole, natural selection kicks in and partnerships tend to be more equal.

Anyway here ends my TED talk!

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By *ruceyyMan  over a year ago

London


"Deserving of a standard of man no I don't think I deserve a set standard of man.

What I do deserve is to be treat as a human, for people to speak as they would in the outside world, not referenced as a piece of meat and not to be flashed in my private inbox. I deserve good manners and decent morals as every women does.

Mrs "

I would treat you like the finest princess in all the lands.

Until it's go time obviously

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

OP, I've read and read this. Are you saying that the females that moan about the kind of messages they get should look at their profile because it attracts a certain standard of men?

I could be wrong but that's how I've read it

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By *imi_RougeWoman  over a year ago

Portsmouth


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?"

I've got some new fishnets you can have Fluff, sharing is caring!

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By *am80CoolWoman  over a year ago

Town

Quality? No.

Respectful interactions? 100%

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If we get messages that are disrespectful, we should reflect on what we did to deserve it. Men can't just be jerks without provocation. Suggesting men are anything other than perfect and worthy of worship is the height of misandry.

How very fucking dare we. Uppity fucking whores

Cheers to us

I want to be in this girl gang

Come join us, you're more than welcome in The Harpy Club. Of course we only accept women of acceptable quality

Let me grab my corset and fishnets, I'll be right there!

Ah crap I’ve no corset or fishnets does this mean I am of lesser quality?

I've got some new fishnets you can have Fluff, sharing is caring!"

Aw thank you mimi!

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?

OP, I've read and read this. Are you saying that the females that moan about the kind of messages they get should look at their profile because it attracts a certain standard of men?

I could be wrong but that's how I've read it

"

My thinking before I wrote it that men will typically be advised to write and rewrite their profiles along with ever updating their pics in order to present themselves in the very best way possible and 'stand out', I wondered how many women would do the same with their own profiles in order to attract the best possible partners?

Still, no matter how well a woman does present herself she'll still inevitably get a slew of males going 'hey', it's not a personal thing, just a fact of being on a swinging site.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

I'm budget.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?

OP, I've read and read this. Are you saying that the females that moan about the kind of messages they get should look at their profile because it attracts a certain standard of men?

I could be wrong but that's how I've read it

My thinking before I wrote it that men will typically be advised to write and rewrite their profiles along with ever updating their pics in order to present themselves in the very best way possible and 'stand out', I wondered how many women would do the same with their own profiles in order to attract the best possible partners?

Still, no matter how well a woman does present herself she'll still inevitably get a slew of males going 'hey', it's not a personal thing, just a fact of being on a swinging site."

I for one do update and rewrite my profile now and then - we all set out our stall don’t we, and what we are looking for changes over time. And as evident I like posting regular pics more than I should haha

Is it because I’m trying to attract a certain ‘quality’ of person to play with? No I don’t think so. It’s just me being me, trying to give an idea of who I am so the other person can decide if it’s worth their time engaging with me. We all want some level of compatibility don’t we?

What I don’t like is the inherent judgement about people on here - how do we define quality? It demeans people to objects. And what I hate is people messaging treating me like an object - i’m a really person with a real life, feelings etc not some sex toy. And hopefully that’s what I profile shows and how I treat other people

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?

OP, I've read and read this. Are you saying that the females that moan about the kind of messages they get should look at their profile because it attracts a certain standard of men?

I could be wrong but that's how I've read it

My thinking before I wrote it that men will typically be advised to write and rewrite their profiles along with ever updating their pics in order to present themselves in the very best way possible and 'stand out', I wondered how many women would do the same with their own profiles in order to attract the best possible partners?

Still, no matter how well a woman does present herself she'll still inevitably get a slew of males going 'hey', it's not a personal thing, just a fact of being on a swinging site.

I for one do update and rewrite my profile now and then - we all set out our stall don’t we, and what we are looking for changes over time. And as evident I like posting regular pics more than I should haha

Is it because I’m trying to attract a certain ‘quality’ of person to play with? No I don’t think so. It’s just me being me, trying to give an idea of who I am so the other person can decide if it’s worth their time engaging with me. We all want some level of compatibility don’t we?

What I don’t like is the inherent judgement about people on here - how do we define quality? It demeans people to objects. And what I hate is people messaging treating me like an object - i’m a really person with a real life, feelings etc not some sex toy. And hopefully that’s what I profile shows and how I treat other people

"

This is pretty close to my view. I really struggle with "ladies of quality" or "high value men" and talk of living up to other peoples standards. It's quite transactional. And not how I view interactions with other people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?

OP, I've read and read this. Are you saying that the females that moan about the kind of messages they get should look at their profile because it attracts a certain standard of men?

I could be wrong but that's how I've read it

My thinking before I wrote it that men will typically be advised to write and rewrite their profiles along with ever updating their pics in order to present themselves in the very best way possible and 'stand out', I wondered how many women would do the same with their own profiles in order to attract the best possible partners?

Still, no matter how well a woman does present herself she'll still inevitably get a slew of males going 'hey', it's not a personal thing, just a fact of being on a swinging site."

Ok OP, thanks for answering.

Welcome to the forums, welcome to fab, hope you navigate a good path here

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By *r_reus OP   Man  over a year ago

Coventry


"

Ok OP, thanks for answering.

Welcome to the forums, welcome to fab, hope you navigate a good path here "

Thanks, I'll have to keep my wits about me, the road seems quite prickly :-/

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you received the drivel we get in our mail boxes, you'd despair too.... Wuu2b, wfmt??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?"

Errrrrr right. So the person I will talk to wouldnt treat me as a fuck. I would expect to be treated as I treat them as a person and not a hole to get their end away.

"presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch" to me this is all shit. Good looking - everyone's version of good-looking is soooo different.

Intelligent - academically or that they have common sense, are self educated or take an interest in the world?

Good shape - fair enough, but even so I'm not looking for a size 36 waiste and a size whatever chest ....

Good catch - in what way?

So I have problems with all the above. As long as someone is funny, have things in common with me, we have interesting conversations and like each other, then yes we can go have a social meet. For an initial message, if he can make me laugh, than I see how it develops from there see if I can get the above ie great conversations, have things in common etc.

Does my profile attract these types of people. I think because your on this site you get all sorts. The whole spectrum. They will take a snippet of your profile or find something they like be it location or even hair colour etc and will message because of that.

I probably fairly middle of the road, I show a bit, but not too much, I think I'm fairly friendly I'm not haughty, a bitch or just up my own arse, I'm not hilarious but I love a good joke and a laugh, so I guess those who time and to talk to me will find that out.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I can't speak for all women, but I had enormous conflict when I first joined. How to manage the enormous number of disrespectful, barely literate, creepy flashing entitled messages I got. I tried lots of things. The demanding, the code word, you name it, I tried it. Nothing worked. 90% of the first messages I got were along the lines of "hello love, you seem to have holes I want to use. Make them available to me. Now" with significantly less grammar and spelling.

I just do what I want now, because I can't change the fact that people feel how they feel. I block liberally and put up with absolutely nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just thinking based on some disagreements on another thread, the general issue being that some women are frustrated by the low standards of the men they have messaging them.

So my question to the ladies is this

Do you see yourself as a woman who is deserving of a particular standard of man, ie one who is presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch, and if so, could you honestly say that your profile is presented in a fashion which could reasonably attract a man such as this?

Errrrrr right. So the person I will talk to wouldnt treat me as a fuck. I would expect to be treated as I treat them as a person and not a hole to get their end away.

"presumably good looking, intelligent, in good shape and overall considered a good catch" to me this is all shit. Good looking - everyone's version of good-looking is soooo different.

Intelligent - academically or that they have common sense, are self educated or take an interest in the world?

Good shape - fair enough, but even so I'm not looking for a size 36 waiste and a size whatever chest ....

Good catch - in what way?

So I have problems with all the above. As long as someone is funny, have things in common with me, we have interesting conversations and like each other, then yes we can go have a social meet. For an initial message, if he can make me laugh, than I see how it develops from there see if I can get the above ie great conversations, have things in common etc.

Does my profile attract these types of people. I think because your on this site you get all sorts. The whole spectrum. They will take a snippet of your profile or find something they like be it location or even hair colour etc and will message because of that.

I probably fairly middle of the road, I show a bit, but not too much, I think I'm fairly friendly I'm not haughty, a bitch or just up my own arse, I'm not hilarious but I love a good joke and a laugh, so I guess those who time and to talk to me will find that out.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I can't speak for all women, but I had enormous conflict when I first joined. How to manage the enormous number of disrespectful, barely literate, creepy flashing entitled messages I got. I tried lots of things. The demanding, the code word, you name it, I tried it. Nothing worked. 90% of the first messages I got were along the lines of "hello love, you seem to have holes I want to use. Make them available to me. Now" with significantly less grammar and spelling.

I just do what I want now, because I can't change the fact that people feel how they feel. I block liberally and put up with absolutely nothing."

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