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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think?"
I think they should include vapes in this. They're far more appealing to kids |
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By *esthetic21 OP Man
over a year ago
Birmingham/Bristol |
"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think?
I think they should include vapes in this. They're far more appealing to kids"
I thinks it's any tobacco/nicotine products |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw this but can anyone clarify how that is? It's 18 to smoke and if they plan on increasing that every year, wouldn't it be the 17 year old now that could never buy them? Or is it by the time they bring that law in, those born in 2009 will be 17? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"I saw this but can anyone clarify how that is? It's 18 to smoke and if they plan on increasing that every year, wouldn't it be the 17 year old now that could never buy them? Or is it by the time they bring that law in, those born in 2009 will be 17?"
Essentially anyone born after Jan 1 2009 can never legally smoke (pretty much). So those that are 18 once in place with the an will be the last generation to smoke, the minimum age raises with them.
"Proposed new legislation will make it an offence for anyone born on or after 1 January 2009 to be sold tobacco products – effectively raising the smoking age by a year each year until it applies to the whole population. This has the potential to phase out smoking in young people almost completely as early as 2040."
As each generation dies off the less people smoking. So the ban is based on a year not age. |
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Different rules for adults on the basis of age is discrimination.
Also it's stupid. My mate's older sister bought them for us when we were 12. Same thing will happen in 2069 but a 60 year old will be getting their dodgy Dorris who was born in 2008 to buy the fags. She'll probably run a black market trade in them as she has no pension. Dorris tax on your cigs only £10000.00 a pack! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw this but can anyone clarify how that is? It's 18 to smoke and if they plan on increasing that every year, wouldn't it be the 17 year old now that could never buy them? Or is it by the time they bring that law in, those born in 2009 will be 17?
Essentially anyone born after Jan 1 2009 can never legally smoke (pretty much). So those that are 18 once in place with the an will be the last generation to smoke, the minimum age raises with them.
"Proposed new legislation will make it an offence for anyone born on or after 1 January 2009 to be sold tobacco products – effectively raising the smoking age by a year each year until it applies to the whole population. This has the potential to phase out smoking in young people almost completely as early as 2040."
As each generation dies off the less people smoking. So the ban is based on a year not age. "
Ahhh that makes sense now. Thank you  |
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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think?
I think they should include vapes in this. They're far more appealing to kidsI thinks it's any tobacco/nicotine products"
This is good. Thank you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’s stripping people of their rights. Can’t ban one thing and not the others.
I’m a non smoker but if people want to smoke to relieve the stresses of life so be it.
Why don’t we take away alcohol or caffeine the list can go on and on.
Never mind the tax smoking generates this will come up a short fall again putting taxes on other things.
They can’t even stop classed drugs so how are they going to police it more wasted time and effort.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"It’s stripping people of their rights. Can’t ban one thing and not the others.
I’m a non smoker but if people want to smoke to relieve the stresses of life so be it.
Why don’t we take away alcohol or caffeine the list can go on and on.
Never mind the tax smoking generates this will come up a short fall again putting taxes on other things.
They can’t even stop classed drugs so how are they going to police it more wasted time and effort.
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In a way you are correct. But smoking isn't a stress relief unless you are addicted to it. It is getting that fix of nicotine which is calming, the habit and and feeling associated with the nicotine. For somebody that has never smoked, it won't be a stress relief. What you won't have had, you won miss.
People/adults will still buy them for those under the ban year limit. We will still have smoking addicts, and this will cause shady dealings for cigarettes in years to come. Won't be able to buy them legally but we will have smokers regardless, of all ages. |
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From a lifelong smoker.
Discouraging kids from starting smoking can only be a good thing. I really wish that I had never started. But I just don't think that this is the way to do it.
Firstly how do you enforce it? Under 18's can get cigs now. It may be illegal but it doesn't seem to stop the determined ones.
In years to come every 40 year old will know someone a year or two older who can nip into the shop and buy them a pack.
All it will do is create a black market.
There's one thing that I just don't get though.
Many of the people who want to ban smoking tobacco are the same ones who want to legalise Canna*is 
Square that circle. |
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"Perhaps more people will just grow at home "
It's not easy in northern Europe but we have done it.
At the moment we are exploiting a loophole in the German tax system.
Whole leaf tobacco doesn't attract tobacco tax in Germany and you can buy it legally on Ebay for around 16€ a kilo.
We have a shredder and have become quite good at blending, and in Germany and Spain filter tubes are readily available for pennies.
The government will probably wise up one day and close it. But for now it's make hay (or ciggies) while the sun shines.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Essentially it will make smoking illegal in the uk in the next 60 or so years"
I'm not sure it will be illegal just cannot get served in a shop nothing says you can't have cigarettes from other countries or sources will just go underground
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think?"
what if your a visitor from another country can you not smoke or bring them over
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"Different rules for adults on the basis of age is discrimination."
It’s no different than the age for an HGV license is older than a car license, don’t see anyone jumping up and down saying that’s discriminatory |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Will it not just create another market and supplier. Like for other the other things that people are not supposed to by or sell, at any age. When has prohibition worked..? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Different rules for adults on the basis of age is discrimination.
Also it's stupid. My mate's older sister bought them for us when we were 12. Same thing will happen in 2069 but a 60 year old will be getting their dodgy Dorris who was born in 2008 to buy the fags. She'll probably run a black market trade in them as she has no pension. Dorris tax on your cigs only £10000.00 a pack!"
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"It’s stripping people of their rights. Can’t ban one thing and not the others.
I’m a non smoker but if people want to smoke to relieve the stresses of life so be it.
Why don’t we take away alcohol or caffeine the list can go on and on.
Never mind the tax smoking generates this will come up a short fall again putting taxes on other things.
They can’t even stop classed drugs so how are they going to police it more wasted time and effort.
In a way you are correct. But smoking isn't a stress relief unless you are addicted to it. It is getting that fix of nicotine which is calming, the habit and and feeling associated with the nicotine. For somebody that has never smoked, it won't be a stress relief. What you won't have had, you won miss.
People/adults will still buy them for those under the ban year limit. We will still have smoking addicts, and this will cause shady dealings for cigarettes in years to come. Won't be able to buy them legally but we will have smokers regardless, of all ages. "
It ignores people's right to decide for themselves. Puts in place prohibition, which we know doesn't work - creating organised crime and reducing tax revenue.
Tax revenue from tobacco sales is huge, it's more than the cost to treat related illnesses - that's ignoring lawful job creation and the welfare savings from reduced life expectancy.
The only ethical argument was secondary smoke. Reasonable argument: the issue has been dealt with. Smokers now can't smoke around other people. |
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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think? what if your a visitor from another country can you not smoke or bring them over "
Same as us visiting countries where alcohol is banned. Respect the local laws |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think? what if your a visitor from another country can you not smoke or bring them over
Same as us visiting countries where alcohol is banned. Respect the local laws"
yes but they aren't banning smoking they are just banning people of a certain age been served them |
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I think it's an excellent idea. I smoked from the age of 12 and it was so easy to get cigarettes in those days, either from the machine outside the shop or a forged letter from your mum. If it just stops people from starting it would be a benefit. I do find less and less people are smoking nowadays. I see the problem being those vapes. I see all the school kids with them that have never smoked in their lives.
I'm proud to say after 46 years of being a heavy smoker I'm now 7 months without a cigarette and I've actually found it easier than I thought |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally, I think it’s a good thing. As a smoker of 22 years I wish I had never started, however eliminating freedoms is a slippery slope. How long before this happens with Alcohol which is also a top 10 killer in the Uk.
I’m just not a fan of the police/nanny state |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've been wondering why they wasn't the case in the first place.
I've always wondered by the government make so much fuss about smokers costing on the NHS yet were ok to sell cigarettes.
They clearly made more in tax than it cost the NHS. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It’s stripping people of their rights. Can’t ban one thing and not the others.
I’m a non smoker but if people want to smoke to relieve the stresses of life so be it.
Why don’t we take away alcohol or caffeine the list can go on and on.
Never mind the tax smoking generates this will come up a short fall again putting taxes on other things.
They can’t even stop classed drugs so how are they going to police it more wasted time and effort.
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I remember once upon a time when you didn’t have to wear a seat belt… I mean.. stripping away my liberty!!! Bastards!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I saw this but can anyone clarify how that is? It's 18 to smoke and if they plan on increasing that every year, wouldn't it be the 17 year old now that could never buy them? Or is it by the time they bring that law in, those born in 2009 will be 17?
Essentially anyone born after Jan 1 2009 can never legally smoke (pretty much). So those that are 18 once in place with the an will be the last generation to smoke, the minimum age raises with them.
"Proposed new legislation will make it an offence for anyone born on or after 1 January 2009 to be sold tobacco products – effectively raising the smoking age by a year each year until it applies to the whole population. This has the potential to phase out smoking in young people almost completely as early as 2040."
As each generation dies off the less people smoking. So the ban is based on a year not age. "
So when the person born in 2009 reaches 30 for example, they'll be asked to prove their age to buy cigarettes, hmm how's that going to work |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Prohibition doesn't work.. if theres a demand money to be made criminals will supply that need
Education is far better"
I think tobacco is different because I don’t think kids will be buying expensive, poor quality black market tobacco so they can…. Do what exactly? It’s not like you party or have a good time on tobacco.
What’s the incentive to buy black market tobacco |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Maybe someone can clear this up too cos I’m not sure
It’s a ban on selling it in shops right?
So no one’s stopping you growing your own for personal use? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think?"
You could say that any law is stripping people of their freedom.
Personally I think selling someone a toxic substance and causing a lifelong physical addiction is stripping someone of their freedom. |
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By *ANDA!Man
over a year ago
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Imagine years from now and you're out shopping with your wife on pension day, you're the one that buys smokes legally but you get refused sale cos they think you're buying for your slightly younger wife....hahahaha |
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This will reduce cigarette use, but not end it.
Prohibition doesn't work, but, the ban on smoking started 26 years ago with enclosed public spaces and expanded over time.
It has become more socially unacceptable.
Very few people will bother with black market cigarettes because the margin is too low for sellers in a vastly smaller market.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lifelong physical addiction is stripping someone of their freedom."
Where has this lifelong physical addiction come from, have you never heard of an ex smoker  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This will reduce cigarette use, but not end it.
Prohibition doesn't work, but, the ban on smoking started 26 years ago with enclosed public spaces and expanded over time.
It has become more socially unacceptable.
Very few people will bother with black market cigarettes because the margin is too low for sellers in a vastly smaller market.
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you'd be very surprised how much can be made even in today's environment I no people earning thousands a month tax free more than local Dr g dealer |
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Alcohol next, then sugary foods.
Hippy crack has now doubled in price.
All the illegal dr@gs are now more widely available than ever.
People aren’t happy unless they are self destructing it would seem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will no longer legally ne able to buy cigarettes in the uk EVER. Personally I thinks it's good but at the same time I think it's stripping people of their freedom. What do we think?"
Saving the NHS and people's health.
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