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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Reports that last year 70 horses were killed in accidents on public roads in collisions.
Over 150 horse riders were injured and countless cars damaged. Is it time to stop this madness and stop horses being allowed on the public highway. Perhaps allow exceptions for funeral horses and horse and carts.
Tom is no fan of horses or their riders but he does like to admire a lady in jodhpurs.
Tom uses feet and inches to measure and sometimes centimeters. Horse people measure horses in hands which may be throwback to the aristocracy. He is not sure how far 70 dead horses would stretch if laid end to end but they would make a lot of Findus lasagne or be a challenge for Evil Knievil. What's going on here guys? Its all over the news |
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I might be wrong, but I would guess that the accidents are often caused by people in cars/vans/lorries colliding with the horses. There has been a similar pattern with pedestrians... should they also be banned?
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By *piderBunnyCouple
over a year ago
Back of Nowhere and Beyond |
No, Tom. It isn't time to ban horses from public highways. It is past time to crack down on muppet motor vehicle drivers who don't consider that there may be others using the roads and don't drive sensibly for the road they're on or with any consideration.
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By *i1971Man
over a year ago
Cornwall |
We have issues down here where drivers travelling within the speed limit are seen by some horse riders as being a danger in spooking their horses. The hollering, shouting & undoubted social media rants continue.
The horses are being ridden often on national speed limit roads and gently walking/trotting along but much of the issue seems to be when they are on bendy roads.
The riders always make out it's everyone else's fault. Thankfully no damage so far as I'm aware to horses, riders or vehicles locally. However, if the horses are spooked easily, should they be on the roads? |
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"No, Tom. It isn't time to ban horses from public highways. It is past time to crack down on muppet motor vehicle drivers who don't consider that there may be others using the roads and don't drive sensibly for the road they're on or with any consideration.
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This! |
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Funniest one was why don’t horse riders pick up their horse shit?
Ok I’ll just get off, tell the horse to sit and stay whilst I grab my spade and bin bag out of my bag and drop it in the nearest horse poo bin. |
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Always pass wide and slowly. When you see a horse on a road, you should slow down to a maximum of 10 mph. Be patient, do not sound your horn or rev your engine. When safe to do so, pass wide and slow, allowing at least 2 metres of space.17 Sept 2023 |
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"Always pass wide and slowly. When you see a horse on a road, you should slow down to a maximum of 10 mph. Be patient, do not sound your horn or rev your engine. When safe to do so, pass wide and slow, allowing at least 2 metres of space.17 Sept 2023"
Hierarchy of road users
Therefore, the guidelines are in place to treat anyone in these categories as a priority, as vehicle drivers can cause a lot more damage during a collision. Drivers and motorcyclists must give way to horse riders; horse riders must remain vigilant and give way to pedestrians.2 Feb 2022 |
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Horses shouldn’t be banned from the highway. 90% of the time it’s drivers either driving too fast for the road, not giving enough room or deliberately being knobs and spooking the horses themselves.
The other 10% is the riders not training their horses properly, as much as there is a lot of decent, caring owners out there, there’s a band of them that are just not cut out to be owners. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
I don't think they should be banned but they shouldn't be allowed on the roads before 9.30 when people are driving to work. Imo!
A horse rider waved her whip at me when I went round a bend at the speed limit (30) a few weeks ago! |
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"Reports that last year 70 horses were killed in accidents on public roads in collisions.
Over 150 horse riders were injured and countless cars damaged. Is it time to stop this madness and stop horses being allowed on the public highway. Perhaps allow exceptions for funeral horses and horse and carts.
Tom is no fan of horses or their riders but he does like to admire a lady in jodhpurs.
Tom uses feet and inches to measure and sometimes centimeters. Horse people measure horses in hands which may be throwback to the aristocracy. He is not sure how far 70 dead horses would stretch if laid end to end but they would make a lot of Findus lasagne or be a challenge for Evil Knievil. What's going on here guys? Its all over the news"
I'd prefer if there were less people like yourself tbh |
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"I don't think they should be banned but they shouldn't be allowed on the roads before 9.30 when people are driving to work. Imo!
A horse rider waved her whip at me when I went round a bend at the speed limit (30) a few weeks ago!"
So your saying they should only be banned when you want to use the road?
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"I don't think they should be banned but they shouldn't be allowed on the roads before 9.30 when people are driving to work. Imo!
A horse rider waved her whip at me when I went round a bend at the speed limit (30) a few weeks ago!"
Read the Highway Code!
Pass wide and SLOW.
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Around here you can tell when someone is not from the countryside - locals will _always_ slow down to a _crawl_ for horses because they know that horses can get easily spooked. Non country people will just drive past at usual speed.
There are a lot of horses around here - local kids ride a lot - so people care about the riders. |
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Right up to and including World War 2 horses have ridden into battle and have been deployed to war zones across the world.
These days you have to drive past them at 5 mph and 15 foot distance so they don't get spooked.
Bring back the "hard" horses of yesteryear. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
"I don't think they should be banned but they shouldn't be allowed on the roads before 9.30 when people are driving to work. Imo!
A horse rider waved her whip at me when I went round a bend at the speed limit (30) a few weeks ago!
So your saying they should only be banned when you want to use the road?
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No, not just me  |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
"I don't think they should be banned but they shouldn't be allowed on the roads before 9.30 when people are driving to work. Imo!
A horse rider waved her whip at me when I went round a bend at the speed limit (30) a few weeks ago!
Read the Highway Code!
Pass wide and SLOW.
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Don't need to read the Highway Code thanks, if I knew they were coming round the corner of course I would of slowed down
God.....any excuse to have a pop at someone ey? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Well car drivers pay their road tax but not sure there is a thing called a road tax. All horses on the road should be forced to wear blinkers by law. Tom does not mean indicators here but those devices they use to stop horses bolting. Is this a training issue. Police horses are trained to ride I central London and many years ago there was a Canadian detective who rode his horse in the capital. His name was MaCloud |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Well car drivers pay their road tax but not sure there is a thing called a road tax. All horses on the road should be forced to wear blinkers by law. Tom does not mean indicators here but those devices they use to stop horses bolting. Is this a training issue. Police horses are trained to ride I central London and many years ago there was a Canadian detective who rode his horse in the capital. His name was MaCloud"
Horse tax Tom meant. No such thing as Horse tax |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This old fued between car and horse, many a time I have been shouted at by a irate horse rider. Because they ride two abreast down tight country roads. Even when I do slow to a crawl , don't rev my engine in fact coast by. Find a horse being spooked by my presence on the road. Some horses should not be allowed on the road until used to traffic and noise. Yes they need to take responsibility as well, there are enough stupid car drivers on the road without bad horses. |
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"Right up to and including World War 2 horses have ridden into battle and have been deployed to war zones across the world.
These days you have to drive past them at 5 mph and 15 foot distance so they don't get spooked.
Bring back the "hard" horses of yesteryear."
and millions of them died as a result.
What's your point exactly ? |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"I don't think they should be banned but they shouldn't be allowed on the roads before 9.30 when people are driving to work. Imo!
A horse rider waved her whip at me when I went round a bend at the speed limit (30) a few weeks ago!"
Most riders work too and the only chance they get to hack out is before work or straight after.
The worst thing now is electric cars as you don't hear them coming.
Add the fact that even if you want to ride on a bridleway that involves stretches of road riding just to get to them.
Does slowing down really impact drivers that much? A horse isn't a car, bike or other inanimate object. The rider is on a living being and even the safest horse can spook if some twat drives past too fast.
Just because a country lane is often a national speed limit isn't a reason to drive at it. I've seen way too many cars in ditches because they figured that going 20 round a bend in a 60 limit wasn't necessary....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If a horse rider is flagging at you to slow down it is probably because they fear being squashed into your bonnet, and it wont do them, you, the horse or your car any good. They aren't generally being uptight or snotty. I have ridden on roads my whole working life, even ride and lead, without thinking much of it, but seeing what I do of roads now I don't think I would feel at all safe. No-one has one iota of patience, they dont even respect other cars so more vulnerable road uses don't stand a chance. |
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"Drivers and their entitlement are the problem.
It's not the horses.
Learn the Highway code and follow the rules for encountering horses and riders."
Spot on.
People who drive cars often believe it entitles them to behave however they want. Its the same attitude that causes problems with pedestrians, cyclists etc.
I'm a cyclist...now watch how quickly people get angry with me for being on their road! |
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"Right up to and including World War 2 horses have ridden into battle and have been deployed to war zones across the world.
These days you have to drive past them at 5 mph and 15 foot distance so they don't get spooked.
Bring back the "hard" horses of yesteryear. and millions of them died as a result.
What's your point exactly ?"
It was a bit of a joke really, denigrating the Modern Horse.
You can't win them all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Right up to and including World War 2 horses have ridden into battle and have been deployed to war zones across the world.
These days you have to drive past them at 5 mph and 15 foot distance so they don't get spooked.
Bring back the "hard" horses of yesteryear. and millions of them died as a result.
What's your point exactly ?
It was a bit of a joke really, denigrating the Modern Horse.
You can't win them all."
They didnt have to contend with a crisp packet wafting from a hedge, or a new plant pot appearing on a doorstep back in the war days. There are many dangers for our modern horses  |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
"Drivers and their entitlement are the problem.
It's not the horses.
Learn the Highway code and follow the rules for encountering horses and riders.
Spot on.
People who drive cars often believe it entitles them to behave however they want. Its the same attitude that causes problems with pedestrians, cyclists etc.
I'm a cyclist...now watch how quickly people get angry with me for being on their road!"
Even worse than horse riders |
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"Always pass wide and slowly. When you see a horse on a road, you should slow down to a maximum of 10 mph. Be patient, do not sound your horn or rev your engine. When safe to do so, pass wide and slow, allowing at least 2 metres of space.17 Sept 2023"
And if the lane is 2m wide should you pass if going the sameway? Hate it when you meet them head on as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We have issues down here where drivers travelling within the speed limit are seen by some horse riders as being a danger in spooking their horses. The hollering, shouting & undoubted social media rants continue.
The horses are being ridden often on national speed limit roads and gently walking/trotting along but much of the issue seems to be when they are on bendy roads.
The riders always make out it's everyone else's fault. Thankfully no damage so far as I'm aware to horses, riders or vehicles locally. However, if the horses are spooked easily, should they be on the roads?"
The national speed limits are maximum so horses being riden at say 5mph have just as much right to be at 5mph than a car at say 29mph. Etc. I'm not particularly a horse lover but they are living creatures not engines. Surely its not much to ask to reduce car speed to a crawl if you have to pass them. Is that 20 seconds really vital to your journey.? |
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"Always pass wide and slowly. When you see a horse on a road, you should slow down to a maximum of 10 mph. Be patient, do not sound your horn or rev your engine. When safe to do so, pass wide and slow, allowing at least 2 metres of space.17 Sept 2023
And if the lane is 2m wide should you pass if going the sameway? Hate it when you meet them head on as well."
If the lane is 2m wide, it's not safe to pass anything (even a pedestrian), you should wait until there is a safer place to pass. The average width of a car is 1.8m, leaving only 20cm (about 8 inches)... and even the smallest horse is bigger than that.
It's really not rocket science.
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"We have issues down here where drivers travelling within the speed limit are seen by some horse riders as being a danger in spooking their horses. The hollering, shouting & undoubted social media rants continue.
The horses are being ridden often on national speed limit roads and gently walking/trotting along but much of the issue seems to be when they are on bendy roads.
The riders always make out it's everyone else's fault. Thankfully no damage so far as I'm aware to horses, riders or vehicles locally. However, if the horses are spooked easily, should they be on the roads?"
It is always the RESPONSIBILITY of the driver of a vehicle to deal with the HAZZARDS that are present in the road ahead. That horse that you suddenly come across around the next bend could just as easily be a parked car, a tractor, a dog walker, a cyclist, a deer, a fallen tree, etc...
Ultimately, just because the road is "national speed limit" doesn't dictate that you must be able to drive as 60, especially when most of these country roads have lots of bends and high hedges. It really is a bit stupid to drive faster than your visibility allows you to deal with, you really never know what's around the next corner.
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Drivers and their entitlement are the problem.
It's not the horses.
Learn the Highway code and follow the rules for encountering horses and riders."
There are 'entitled' horse riders too who would do well to follow the highway code. |
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"Drivers and their entitlement are the problem.
It's not the horses.
Learn the Highway code and follow the rules for encountering horses and riders.
There are 'entitled' horse riders too who would do well to follow the highway code."
Everyone would do well to follow the highway code. |
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"Drivers and their entitlement are the problem.
It's not the horses.
Learn the Highway code and follow the rules for encountering horses and riders."
This and also the horses historical rights. They were on our roads long before the first "horseless" vehicles appeared  |
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"We have issues down here where drivers travelling within the speed limit are seen by some horse riders as being a danger in spooking their horses. The hollering, shouting & undoubted social media rants continue.
The horses are being ridden often on national speed limit roads and gently walking/trotting along but much of the issue seems to be when they are on bendy roads.
The riders always make out it's everyone else's fault. Thankfully no damage so far as I'm aware to horses, riders or vehicles locally. However, if the horses are spooked easily, should they be on the roads?
It is always the RESPONSIBILITY of the driver of a vehicle to deal with the HAZZARDS that are present in the road ahead. That horse that you suddenly come across around the next bend could just as easily be a parked car, a tractor, a dog walker, a cyclist, a deer, a fallen tree, etc...
Ultimately, just because the road is "national speed limit" doesn't dictate that you must be able to drive as 60, especially when most of these country roads have lots of bends and high hedges. It really is a bit stupid to drive faster than your visibility allows you to deal with, you really never know what's around the next corner.
Cal"
The bit in the Highway Code that says “never drive so fast that you cannot stop in the space that you can see clear” seems to confuse some people.
This sentence overrides any speed limit! |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Drivers and their entitlement are the problem.
It's not the horses.
Learn the Highway code and follow the rules for encountering horses and riders.This and also the horses historical rights. They were on our roads long before the first "horseless" vehicles appeared "
So were traction engines but they are subject to legislation.
The world has moved on and changed,you can't drive a car in public under a certain age or without the appropriate license,yet anyone of any age can take a horse on the road without a test or any knowledge of the highway code.I live out in the countryside and know people who shouldn't be in charge of a paper bag let alone a horse. |
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"Who has to pay to be on the road? Just asking 
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Roads are paid for by general taxation, not "road tax" (it's actually vehicle excise duty), so EVERYONE... but as most horse owners have LARGE vehicles for towing horse trailers, they are paying more "road tax" than the average car driver too.
...Just saying
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Both parties have a right to use the road and not sure how a ban would work. But the horse owners should consider this. A car can be fixed. It’s just a hunk of metal. With a horse it’s a bit more complicated |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
The country has evolved. Ton is not saying it's better but car drivers pay their car tax and horse owners are exempt. Those hooves cause damage so not sure they should be on the public roads causing accidents when they have fields |
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
taunton |
There was a twat on a horse around here a few months ago riding around with this message on her back, The horse is fine but I am f*cking mental, I thought it was quite offensive and rather hope she got in trouble for it. |
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