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"Define murder OP. " - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!" So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? " no. | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? no." obviously it’s about intent. The surgeon hasn’t set out to kill his patient…. | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? no. obviously it’s about intent. The surgeon hasn’t set out to kill his patient…." …not the sane ones anyway | |||
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"Define murder OP. " explain why | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!" explain why | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? " i dno if i see one ill ask him | |||
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"Those with experience of murder? "exprencies in armed conflicts and battleground operations | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? no. obviously it’s about intent. The surgeon hasn’t set out to kill his patient….…not the sane ones anyway" defo not harold shipman | |||
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"So I'm a murderer now "didnt say this i asked about experiences and if its murder or not and if so explain situations | |||
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"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! explain why" Murder = the act of purposefully ending another person’s life without their permission  | |||
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"Threads like this are a prime example of why some people shouldn’t be allowed access to the internet. " how come im just asking those with life experiences what thats was like why are you being negative or saying something like people should have restrictions like why is thats your view point ie censorship | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain " If the international rules of engagement are followed then no. Thread closed | |||
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"Not a straightforward one size fits all answer, could easily be murder if you’re killing unarmed prisoners of war but kill the same people in combat defending your country then it’s fully justified. Not sure what is behind the question op I’m going back to admiring boobies it’s to heavy a question for a chilled sunday So the justification is for the country to be honest that to seems a bit dumb to have a liences to end life when you seen fit but thanks for the sharing " | |||
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"If all rules of engagement are adhered to, no. If you want examples of murder - look to the likes of Mengele, Grese or Kajuga. " good one also uncle joe and other such as south american dictator who used millitary to kill its on population | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain If the international rules of engagement are followed then no. Thread closed " ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain " If you act within the Law of armed conflict etc then no it’s not murder | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain " War is what happens when people stand up to a strong force and say that their fight is more important than life. If the instigator isn’t forced into it then they are wrong. Fighting is common in nature and group dynamics are common in nature. It’s unfortunate that we’ve brought technology into our fights it should go back to the days of swords and shields on designated grounds. Destruction of civilisations is not justified. | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain If you act within the Law of armed conflict etc then no it’s not murder " ok then what you call it causilties of war i think ats pr term like close contact and frienly fire collateral damages | |||
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"As stated above, some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet " in what way explain why you wish censorship on someone | |||
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"Should armed forces personnel and veterans be allowed to murder people that ask dumb questions? Discuss." should they no they should just like shouldnt be force to shoot at someone else eithr both side of what ever conflict | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? " most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend | |||
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"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question? I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. " i know i wantted to maybe have one speak maybe you dno they already have or even mailed me or thier friends now to speak about it isnt that what threads are for to open discussion or yous just here to simp | |||
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"Some sent me this this explaiin it perfectly Murder Occasionally Manslaughter always Justifiable maybe sometimes" Well That's great then.. your sorted  | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend" So the Nazis in WW2 being killed in combat wasn't justifiable?? OP, I'd suggest walking away from this thread. | |||
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"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question? I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. i know i wantted to maybe have one speak maybe you dno they already have or even mailed me or thier friends now to speak about it isnt that what threads are for to open discussion or yous just here to simp" If they mail you then keep it to yourself | |||
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"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. " why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask | |||
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"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. "  | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend" Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. | |||
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"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask" Your teacher taught you wrong. | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend" What do you base your opinions on? Do you have personal experience of military matters? | |||
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"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question? I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. i know i wantted to maybe have one speak maybe you dno they already have or even mailed me or thier friends now to speak about it isnt that what threads are for to open discussion or yous just here to simp If they mail you then keep it to yourself " ok as i said i was oping the discussion up so one could give me insite as i watch alot of history but none explain why its ok thats my point no one actually explains it they avoid or give vague details | |||
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"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask Your teacher taught you wrong. " well thats sort education your taxes pay for | |||
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"Can i have that in English please?" i speak scots | |||
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"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask" Ah right then.. I stand corrected.. I'll ask random women in the street how many men they've shagged | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. " no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain If the international rules of engagement are followed then no. Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid" There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either. Off the top of my head:- Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life. A challenge must be given before firing, unless:- To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack. You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire. If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target. | |||
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"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots" That's not all you speak .. trust me  | |||
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"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. " thanks for your imput on thread and yeah id like the complex answer from a vet hense why i ask those with combat experience to dicuss this | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst" Right wing is mad dumb? So now no only is killing Nazis unjustifiable, but 50% of the population are mad dumb?? | |||
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"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots That's not all you speak .. trust me "Truth | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst" So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend So the Nazis in WW2 being killed in combat wasn't justifiable?? OP, I'd suggest walking away from this thread." i said both side not just one side and natioalis was far right and ye far right facist is thing that needs sqwashed but not with military might but with actuall benefitale change | |||
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"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask Ah right then.. I stand corrected.. I'll ask random women in the street how many men they've shagged "you can do as you please its your life no one else | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought." thank you he just explain this | |||
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"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. thanks for your imput on thread and yeah id like the complex answer from a vet hense why i ask those with combat experience to dicuss this" Most vets wont see it that way unfortunately its a very private part of their lives that is not open for the kind of comments seen in this thread so far. | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought." thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst Right wing is mad dumb? So now no only is killing Nazis unjustifiable, but 50% of the population are mad dumb?? " i dont mean normal right wing i mean ultra right wing as in facism | |||
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"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots That's not all you speak .. trust me "thank you | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. " education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. " wow thats 1st iv heard this one what about the good friday agreement isnt that an appeasement thats done well lease for now | |||
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"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. thanks for your imput on thread and yeah id like the complex answer from a vet hense why i ask those with combat experience to dicuss this Most vets wont see it that way unfortunately its a very private part of their lives that is not open for the kind of comments seen in this thread so far." i know as its always decends intonnames and insults when i was genuinely curious | |||
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"Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year. Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza. You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality. Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here! Good luck and remember the travel insurance." nice but are they in armed forces if not wouldnt i better speak to the idf as they are the armed forces | |||
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"There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us. " oooh funny enough im going ther in February | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality" Hitler was voted into power lawfully. | |||
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"There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us. oooh funny enough im going ther in February "Cool, if you get a chance, check out the court. | |||
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"Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year. Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza. You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality. Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here! Good luck and remember the travel insurance. nice but are they in armed forces if not wouldnt i better speak to the idf as they are the armed forces" Well Hamas are the non state actors of Palestine, as Hezbollah are for Lebanon. It just expands your question even more. If you were to sit down and ask an Israeli or member of the IDF about murder after what has happened to their state (whether you agree/disagree recognise/resent) I think you would get a fairly straightforward and resounding answer. Question that answer and the travel insurance would come in handy for your repatriation. | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality Hitler was voted into power lawfully. " Haha after surreptitiously expelling his opponents (communists) the crafty fucker! | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain If the international rules of engagement are followed then no. Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either. Off the top of my head:- Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life. A challenge must be given before firing, unless:- To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack. You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire. If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target. " You're not going to get a more rational, factual and detailed answer than this OP. Context is so important if you want to ask a question like this, and you haven't provided any. What goes around, comes around. | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. wow thats 1st iv heard this one what about the good friday agreement isnt that an appeasement thats done well lease for now" The Munich Agreement was a case of ‘ok now Herr Hitler, you can keep what you’ve taken up to now, just promise to keep your sticky fingers to yourself from now on.’ Vastly different to an agreement of steps to be taken by both sides and voted in by large majorities. | |||
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"Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year. Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza. You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality. Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here! Good luck and remember the travel insurance. nice but are they in armed forces if not wouldnt i better speak to the idf as they are the armed forces Well Hamas are the non state actors of Palestine, as Hezbollah are for Lebanon. It just expands your question even more. If you were to sit down and ask an Israeli or member of the IDF about murder after what has happened to their state (whether you agree/disagree recognise/resent) I think you would get a fairly straightforward and resounding answer. Question that answer and the travel insurance would come in handy for your repatriation." ok i dno why u talking about isreali conflict personally , mine was on all warefare in general and victor answer the orginal question something cant be tried as unlawfull if its classed as lawfull in the book that was my mis understanding that hes cleared up but if u ask if its ok that idf kill then no idf are suppose to be police not milliatary this would be like the r.u.c doing the acttions of thr british army | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality Hitler was voted into power lawfully. " yeah and the seuzing of power wasnt lawfull as he changed the laws and made its his way that’s facism he was voted politcally but after that vite ther was no vote again its not like it was fair its still right wing play book and when i say right wing i mean ultra nationalist | |||
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"There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us. oooh funny enough im going ther in February
Cool, if you get a chance, check out the court. "im going to see alot going to the dam to see the holocaust name monuments too over 1million names on wall full families wiped of face of mapp sad days man | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain If the international rules of engagement are followed then no. Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either. Off the top of my head:- Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life. A challenge must be given before firing, unless:- To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack. You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire. If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target. Thank younfor being honest and genuine and not feeling attacked " | |||
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" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain If the international rules of engagement are followed then no. Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either. Off the top of my head:- Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life. A challenge must be given before firing, unless:- To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack. You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire. If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target. You're not going to get a more rational, factual and detailed answer than this OP. Context is so important if you want to ask a question like this, and you haven't provided any. What goes around, comes around. "i just thanked this poster thats real insight right ther instead of say i should be were i dont belong | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality Hitler was voted into power lawfully. yeah and the seuzing of power wasnt lawfull as he changed the laws and made its his way that’s facism he was voted politcally but after that vite ther was no vote again its not like it was fair its still right wing play book and when i say right wing i mean ultra nationalist" He became chancellor after the Nazis became the majority party. He then used the law to set up new legislation such as the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act. Everything he brought in was approved through the appropriate channels until he walked himself into a position where the only person with the power to bin him off…was him. | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it" Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? | |||
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"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP" is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality Hitler was voted into power lawfully. yeah and the seuzing of power wasnt lawfull as he changed the laws and made its his way that’s facism he was voted politcally but after that vite ther was no vote again its not like it was fair its still right wing play book and when i say right wing i mean ultra nationalist He became chancellor after the Nazis became the majority party. He then used the law to set up new legislation such as the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act. Everything he brought in was approved through the appropriate channels until he walked himself into a position where the only person with the power to bin him off…was him. " yeah thats still righ wing ultra nationalism from the facist handbook tho mos dont get elected they take power like mussilini but its still facism a facist party is still a facist party weither elected or not | |||
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"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol" guessed by location and the question asked obvious troll is obvious | |||
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"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol So many things lol" ats it be proud of who you are cant change dna ( club like no other) | |||
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"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol guessed by location and the question asked obvious troll is obvious " ooh yeah forgot about location bu hey ho | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball?" read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life | |||
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"What a shock. A supporter of paedo fc slabbering about the armed forces after his fellow scum flew hamas flags. Fucking bigoted clown. " thanks i dont support hamas tho i support no armed conflicts im in favour of pankration tho thats the way real men settle stuff and thanks for insults normally need pay for abuse | |||
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"What a shock. A supporter of paedo fc slabbering about the armed forces after his fellow scum flew hamas flags. Fucking bigoted clown. " explain your armed forces experience | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life" Ok. Your teachers may have taught you that. My teachers taught me how to look things up when I don't know something. It's like asking questions, except books and websites give you answers. And is less likely to piss people off. There's no stupid questions. There are many foolish ways to ask questions, though. | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life Ok. Your teachers may have taught you that. My teachers taught me how to look things up when I don't know something. It's like asking questions, except books and websites give you answers. And is less likely to piss people off. There's no stupid questions. There are many foolish ways to ask questions, though." aw well people i dont really care for people’s opinions much i care foe life experiences as i asked for armed force member to only get told by people who want armed forces to never ask that like al ask what a want if you or them dont like it as i said im my own human an you and them are theirs am not telling anyone else how to life or speak ahaha | |||
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"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder. The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life Ok. Your teachers may have taught you that. My teachers taught me how to look things up when I don't know something. It's like asking questions, except books and websites give you answers. And is less likely to piss people off. There's no stupid questions. There are many foolish ways to ask questions, though. aw well people i dont really care for people’s opinions much i care foe life experiences as i asked for armed force member to only get told by people who want armed forces to never ask that like al ask what a want if you or them dont like it as i said im my own human an you and them are theirs am not telling anyone else how to life or speak ahaha "Well, good luck to you with that. If you wish to be dependent upon people who you seem to be upsetting to get information, then you might need that luck ahaha | |||
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"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question? I don't think the OP has the balls to serve his country! I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. " | |||
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"This seems to be an explosive subject. No pun intended. " ano see how its became about personal insults or attemps at them | |||
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"Cut the guy some slack! Please!xdoesnt need to doesnt bother me nothing he says to me will hurt me "Good! Take care! X | |||
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"Cut the guy some slack! Please!xdoesnt need to doesnt bother me nothing he says to me will hurt me
Good! Take care! X"thank you fornyour kind words i wish you positive vibes in all future endeavours | |||
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"Look up the international law of arms conflict law. Its about 2000 pages of international law that all armies have to able by. As for armies killing their own people thats totally different to a war. OP what you're asking is a massive question that would take more than 175 answers to answer. " ok thanks and i understand the question was actually answer if you took time go to top they detail 10steps before you can engage and i thanked the man and took this on bord other dude just started talking about celtic and the middle east | |||
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"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. " ano init thats what iv said man hes rambling about celtic and middle east | |||
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"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. " You noticed that too?! | |||
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"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. You noticed that too?! "I'm not normally especially observant, but hard to miss...  | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend" And because they stood and fought you have the freedom to ask this in English? | |||
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"What a shock. A supporter of paedo fc slabbering about the armed forces after his fellow scum flew hamas flags. Fucking bigoted clown. explain your armed forces experience What's your armed forces experience? none that why i asked armed forces vets if i have experience i wid already know Are you asking? You don't seem very receptive to those more knowledgeable with experience on the subject as you seem to already have pre formed ideas. pre formed idea comes from the lack of explanation on war documentaries They come from the scum you hang about with at the piggery. " lots a anger in this one and anger leads to hate and hate leads to the dark side | |||
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"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. You noticed that too?! "thanks same been saying it frim start | |||
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"What's your view on it OP? most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend And because they stood and fought you have the freedom to ask this in English?" but would instill have been born if it didnt woukd bother me if we spoke gibberish as im fleuent inthat shite already | |||
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"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. Just a bit "thanks fir everyone who comented as i said i thank everyones imput victor and the other poster who actually explaind they answer | |||
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"No, but the ones who are getting attacked have no choice and have the right to defend themselves." right i dno what your talking about | |||
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"Wow it seems too be getting pretty heated up in here can we please keep any debate calmly without attacking each other agree to disagree..." thank you | |||
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"Wow it seems too be getting pretty heated up in here can we please keep any debate calmly without attacking each other agree to disagree..." Absolutely! x | |||
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"It's murder Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes" No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below. Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime. | |||
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"It's murder Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below. Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime." thanks i mentioned that you answerd the thread and thank you for it some haven even read it they just devolved into anarchy | |||
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"It's murder Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below. Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime." This.. | |||
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"It's murder Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes" Murder is unlawful killing. If it’s done under the ROE it’s not unlawful. Therefore it’s not murder. | |||
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"It's murder Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below. Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary. You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger. When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime." Obviously depending upon the dangers they pose because you/they're trying to protect lives by common law a conflict of interest | |||
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