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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Haha I have never even heard of those pussy terms as you put it.
I find the whole thing a little distasteful myself. I understand people look specifically based on genitalia and if that's how they want to sort through the wheat and the chafe then that is their prerogative but it would put me off for sure. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Indeed. No-one's heard of the terms because I've had to make them up (unless anyone else has), which underlines the point. I know, of course, that it's because of the imbalance. Women can be very choosy and can easily afford to be rude and arrogant. I, on the other hand, have got no chance, so I just have suck it up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.."
Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences |
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"Indeed. No-one's heard of the terms because I've had to make them up (unless anyone else has), which underlines the point. I know, of course, that it's because of the imbalance. Women can be very choosy and can easily afford to be rude and arrogant. I, on the other hand, have got no chance, so I just have suck it up."
How are women being rude or arrogant? Why shouldn't anyone be choosy? |
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc..
Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences "
How are guys actively discouraged? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc..
Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences
How are guys actively discouraged?"
The comment above you is suggesting any guy with a physical preference must have a small penis
It writes itself sometimes |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Probably because it gives the impression that the person asking for it has a tiny penis to need such things  "
No more than the obvious inference that a lady asking for it has a baggy vagina to need such things  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh dear ok I admit that you will find people looking for very specific traits and will only meet those that fit them.
I don't see why that makes women bad ha, this seems all a bit personal to me. It doesn't make men bad either, nobody has said that they cannot have preferences. Yes there can be this undercurrent that men should just put up with whatever because the ratio is way off but not everyone thinks that way. Please maybe don't tar all with the same brush just like women and couples do not tar men with all the same brush.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I know. Unfair. I do only mean 'some' women. We're all different. But it both amuses and frustrates me that these 'some' women know/think that it goes without saying that they be so proscriptive, and most (I think) men know that absolutely cannot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know. Unfair. I do only mean 'some' women. We're all different. But it both amuses and frustrates me that these 'some' women know/think that it goes without saying that they be so proscriptive, and most (I think) men know that absolutely cannot."
But they can! They just don't have the balls to because they don't want to upset someone that isn't their type at all but they still might get sex from. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know. Unfair. I do only mean 'some' women. We're all different. But it both amuses and frustrates me that these 'some' women know/think that it goes without saying that they be so proscriptive, and most (I think) men know that absolutely cannot."
It’s not unfair
Men make their own bed by letting women act that way. If they had some self respect and wouldn’t fuck anything that moved they wouldn’t have to play to their rules |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't think men are actively discouraged as you put it. But most just want sex and don't care where they stuck it.
Having boundaries is cool, I just assume men that seek a tight pussy don't understand that it is a muscle, and can be tightened and loosened accordingly.
Plus if she's that tight... She doesn't want to fuck you lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc..
Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences "
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"I know. Unfair. I do only mean 'some' women. We're all different. But it both amuses and frustrates me that these 'some' women know/think that it goes without saying that they be so proscriptive, and most (I think) men know that absolutely cannot.
But they can! They just don't have the balls to because they don't want to upset someone that isn't their type at all but they still might get sex from. "
It's ridiculous how many messages we get that bend or outright break their preferences and often stated wants, just for a chance to fuck Lou. You're right, it's absolutely a case of not having the balls to be honest about just wanting to fuck someone, anyone. |
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"Probably because it gives the impression that the person asking for it has a tiny penis to need such things
No more than the obvious inference that a lady asking for it has a baggy vagina to need such things "
Correct.
But men are much more concerned about the perception of the size of their penis.
That aside, I've seen several threads about how people prefer vaginas to look.
The inside is a lot more variable. Excitement and certain stimulus will tremendously increase wetness and decrease how 'tight' if feels at that moment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably because it gives the impression that the person asking for it has a tiny penis to need such things "
Because people asking for big cocks has a massive vag/ arsehole to fill. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Because women don't care if they put off guys by having preferences.
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Well you said it, and this is a main nub of my point. We all know that this is an interview process, and with SO many male candidates, the vacancy being advertised by a lady can be as outlandish as anything, knowing that 1 in 1000 might make the grade. A chap applying similar criteria in his vacancy advertisement will be laughed off FAB. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences "
There is a benefit.
Why does it matter what everyone else is doing? What do you want?
I don't like receiving one line messages. Whenever I get a message with just hi I ignore. I'm aware it probably works for loads of guys but I know right away what conversation would be like and I'm not interested. |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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Sexual equality...
Look, OP, I can understand where you're coming from. There's nothing stopping you if you have a specific preference to putting that on your profile. I don't think reducing people down to their genitalia needs to be encouraged... it's not for me, anyway.
If you want to stick to what you want, I'd like to think women would for the most part be able to accept that. |
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"I know. Unfair. I do only mean 'some' women. We're all different. But it both amuses and frustrates me that these 'some' women know/think that it goes without saying that they be so proscriptive, and most (I think) men know that absolutely cannot.
It’s not unfair
Men make their own bed by letting women act that way. If they had some self respect and wouldn’t fuck anything that moved they wouldn’t have to play to their rules "
I don't see it as "letting" or following rules. Anyone can have criteria without it being ego/arrogance. They simply know what they want.
There is plenty of any hole's a goal perpetuated by men... You can see that in profiles of "straight" men seeking women, men, transtypes.
Men often display a sense of entitlement as if fab is a sex site. When they learn it isn't, and they find it difficult to get meets, we often see in the forum, women being blamed for having preferences that rule them out. Examples: BBC, VWE and the such like. |
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"I don't think men are actively discouraged as you put it. But most just want sex and don't care where they stuck it.
Having boundaries is cool, I just assume men that seek a tight pussy don't understand that it is a muscle, and can be tightened and loosened accordingly.
Plus if she's that tight... She doesn't want to fuck you lol. "
Saves me pointing out the accommodating features of a vagina  . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.."
Hahaha. What a requirement. Well I'd encourage you to do that if it is what you're looking for. You would probably get some takers. It's a big site with lots of options and will save you the hassle of an overflowing inbox.
How would you define or verify without meeting though?
I don't think there's anything wrong in women, men or couples stating their preference. |
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"Because women don't care if they put off guys by having preferences.
Well you said it, and this is a main nub of my point. We all know that this is an interview process, and with SO many male candidates, the vacancy being advertised by a lady can be as outlandish as anything, knowing that 1 in 1000 might make the grade. A chap applying similar criteria in his vacancy advertisement will be laughed off FAB."
Nah, just ignored.
If I wasn't fussy I'd be knee deep in dick. But I am and happy about it. If I want an orgasm, then I'd pick my wand over any man. If I want a decent interaction, then I stick to my criteria.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If I wasn't fussy I'd be knee deep in dick."
I just tried to imagine what being knee deep in dick would feel/look like.
They'd have to be disembodied because, how else.
It's a terrible thing. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Yeah, but most women don’t require this, and many women don’t like really big ones. Maybe those that exclusively go after massive cocks are a bit like you OP, a little bit different to the rest of us.
if that is your preference then go for it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't hear men being referred too as fuk Bois or pussy ferrets nearly as much as I hear women being called sluts or slags either"
They use the term fuck boy in Indonesia often. Often it's one of the first few questions the girls would ask foreign Caucasians there.
Actually OP, if you wanna see the tables turned - just go abroad. I'll say this though, the demographic of what they used to like Vs what they like now has changed - it used to be "white men" .. now it's "Korean pretty boys". |
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.."
Probably because there's no sky remote equipment to measure.
My pussy will be tight to some sized cocks and not to others.
My pussy also changes size depending how turned on I am.
Where and when would you like me to measure it?
Or shall then Mr just shout and see how much of an echo he gets?
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"I don't hear men being referred too as fuk Bois or pussy ferrets nearly as much as I hear women being called sluts or slags either"
I've never heard of the term "pussy ferret", it's going into my top ten fab terms. Thank you.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences
There is a benefit.
Why does it matter what everyone else is doing? What do you want?
I don't like receiving one line messages. Whenever I get a message with just hi I ignore. I'm aware it probably works for loads of guys but I know right away what conversation would be like and I'm not interested."
There’s no benefit to the ones that’ll fuck anything
The ones that like curvy but will fuck a slim women if he hasn’t had any in a few weeks, so won’t openly state his preference in case it puts someone off when he’s in need.
Rein it in guys, have some self respect. Otherwise your just wanking but with extra steps |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Guys are actively discouraged on having strong physical preferences on here by the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given
Plus, plenty of guys will just take whatever they’re given, so there’s no benefit to stating your true preferences
There is a benefit.
Why does it matter what everyone else is doing? What do you want?
I don't like receiving one line messages. Whenever I get a message with just hi I ignore. I'm aware it probably works for loads of guys but I know right away what conversation would be like and I'm not interested.
There’s no benefit to the ones that’ll fuck anything
The ones that like curvy but will fuck a slim women if he hasn’t had any in a few weeks, so won’t openly state his preference in case it puts someone off when he’s in need.
Rein it in guys, have some self respect. Otherwise your just wanking but with extra steps "
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If I wasn't fussy I'd be knee deep in dick.
I just tried to imagine what being knee deep in dick would feel/look like.
They'd have to be disembodied because, how else.
It's a terrible thing."
Thanks for the image |
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.."
When we’ve been on previously we were very particular and it said so in our profile. That was for both sexes. Nothing wrong with stipulating what you like to save time really. |
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"Probably because it gives the impression that the person asking for it has a tiny penis to need such things
I agree so I need a VVVTP
Keyhole suit you?  "
Different spin on the Lloyd Grossman show? I like it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The legend of baggyvag.
I liked the sequel, The Rise of the Punched Lasagne
Deep impact."
Remember the absolute classic ‘These Woman Must Have Fannies Like Buckets’? |
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"The legend of baggyvag.
I liked the sequel, The Rise of the Punched Lasagne
Deep impact.
Remember the absolute classic ‘These Woman Must Have Fannies Like Buckets’? "
Armageddon aroused by all this talk of vag. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I just wanna know how you’re measuring it, and what is classified as TP/VTP.
Dicks is easy- length, possibly girth. All standardised units.
Are we talking the depth? The diameter of opening? |
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.."
Thing is, you can state that and not one woman is going to care. You could, in fact, give an entire specific list of requirements eg:
Slim
Big boobs
Vtp
Long legs
Long hair
Blue eyes
That is absolutely fine and it is your choice to do so. Literally no one is going to care that you've done that. Any man can do that.
The problem this creates for you (or other men) what do you do when none of the women you've contacted, whom meet your criteria, reply?
When no woman matching those requirements contact you?
Do you hold to your list of wants and choices whilst waiting hopefully for the day some woman turns up?
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By (user no longer on site)
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Once met a girl with a really long vagina she took pleasure in measuring it. Can't say how long it was as a gentlemen never tells.
Would that come into it for required specifications? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just wanna know how you’re measuring it, and what is classified as TP/VTP.
Dicks is easy- length, possibly girth. All standardised units.
Are we talking the depth? The diameter of opening? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc..
Thing is, you can state that and not one woman is going to care. You could, in fact, give an entire specific list of requirements eg:
Slim
Big boobs
Vtp
Long legs
Long hair
Blue eyes
That is absolutely fine and it is your choice to do so. Literally no one is going to care that you've done that. Any man can do that.
The problem this creates for you (or other men) what do you do when none of the women you've contacted, whom meet your criteria, reply?
When no woman matching those requirements contact you?
Do you hold to your list of wants and choices whilst waiting hopefully for the day some woman turns up?
MrsAbz "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Considering when a vagina gets aroused it is called "tenting" we should use terms associated with tents to express the size.
I just learnt a thing 
Oh! Can we have tenting Tuesday/Thursday now?"
Fucks sake |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Anyone wanna measure my vag, specifically someone ugly so I don't get turned on and it'll be super tight?
Mrs "
I'll be round with my plug gauges, presently.. |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here. "
It's not used enough. You don't even see it. 
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given" |
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OP, what criteria have you got for the tightness of a pussy? And how are we supposed to check whether we're very tight, tight, just ok, slightly baggy or cavernous? It's not like a vagina is an organ visible to all, like a penis. Also, women don't get as hang up on the size of their vaginas as men are about their penises. |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given""
Most women I know, myself included, don't want to be with a man who is just there because he can't get anything "better" (in his eyes anyway).
It would be much more preferrable for a man to state what he wants so he can be avoided and no time wasted on him.
I fail to see how this is women having a fragile ego? Your preference is not me ergo I do not entertain you. Simple.
We all go about our lives and live happily ever after
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"OP, what criteria have you got for the tightness of a pussy? And how are we supposed to check whether we're very tight, tight, just ok, slightly baggy or cavernous? It's not like a vagina is an organ visible to all, like a penis. Also, women don't get as hang up on the size of their vaginas as men are about their penises. "
They might if loads of men specified it as a requirement. I haven't got criteria for pussy tightness, nor a suggested way of measuring it. There might be a gap in the market, here. Some sort of insertable pressure gauge. Hmm.. |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given""
And therein lies the problem.
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"OP, what criteria have you got for the tightness of a pussy? And how are we supposed to check whether we're very tight, tight, just ok, slightly baggy or cavernous? It's not like a vagina is an organ visible to all, like a penis. Also, women don't get as hang up on the size of their vaginas as men are about their penises.
They might if loads of men specified it as a requirement. I haven't got criteria for pussy tightness, nor a suggested way of measuring it. There might be a gap in the market, here. Some sort of insertable pressure gauge. Hmm.."
You mean like boobs and mens proclivity for the bigger the better and so on?
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given""
That’s not misogyny |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny"
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it” |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”"
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used "
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
Mr DD"
Absolutely, nothing else to say. Misogyny has been expanded to mean literally anything women don’t like, even valid criticism of negative behaviours |
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
Mr DD
Absolutely, nothing else to say. Misogyny has been expanded to mean literally anything women don’t like, even valid criticism of negative behaviours "
Please clarify the negative behaviour?
Women state preferences. This is fine and acceptable.
Men state preferences. This is fine and acceptable.
What exactly is your point?
Who is behaving in a negative manner?
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
Mr DD"
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"Not sure there is a term. But I was told by a woman that the female equivalent to a hard on is a wide on , suspect she may have been pulling my leg but it did make me laugh anyway "
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"OP, what criteria have you got for the tightness of a pussy? And how are we supposed to check whether we're very tight, tight, just ok, slightly baggy or cavernous? It's not like a vagina is an organ visible to all, like a penis. Also, women don't get as hang up on the size of their vaginas as men are about their penises. "
Well said! I’ve asked the same about nipples - when is it big or very big, how do we size?! And absolutely right it’s mostly men hung up with size not women - far more important to me if you know what to do with your fingers and tongue
That’s said, what I love about Fab is that there is no rules. Every person can decide what criteria they want to use when looking for a lover - I choose chemistry, good conversation and a nice smile, if you want to measure organs go for it! Who cares right? It’s all personal preference. I might not agree with your method but for me swinging is all about not judging others for their proclivities! |
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"I’m not sure some men on here realise how much they sound like incels. Trust me boys, crying about how unfair you think fab is really isn’t going to get you laid."
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"Not sure there is a term. But I was told by a woman that the female equivalent to a hard on is a wide on , suspect she may have been pulling my leg but it did make me laugh anyway
It is called Tenting"
Links nicely to the OP's use of TP (teepee).
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"I’m not sure some men on here realise how much they sound like incels. Trust me boys, crying about how unfair you think fab is really isn’t going to get you laid.
Incels now too. Haha right you are "
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"I’m not sure some men on here realise how much they sound like incels. Trust me boys, crying about how unfair you think fab is really isn’t going to get you laid.
Incels now too. Haha right you are
So women can repeatedly say this on threads (and a few guys) but you just don't believe us? Haha right you are. "
No... I think there is a very serious problem with misogyny and also with misandry.. And also with incels. I don't think misusing or even abusing a term, an emotional label, does that any favours at all. But we can all have an opinion. It doesn't instantly make anything misogyny to disagree. |
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"I’m not sure some men on here realise how much they sound like incels. Trust me boys, crying about how unfair you think fab is really isn’t going to get you laid.
Incels now too. Haha right you are
So women can repeatedly say this on threads (and a few guys) but you just don't believe us? Haha right you are.
No... I think there is a very serious problem with misogyny and also with misandry.. And also with incels. I don't think misusing or even abusing a term, an emotional label, does that any favours at all. But we can all have an opinion. It doesn't instantly make anything misogyny to disagree. "
No see I think you’ve got it wrong
Women (and a few guys) are repeatedly saying it. That means it’s true
Now let’s see what other things lots of men say about women on fab, they must also be true by the logic
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Just as there are people seeking VE or VWE, or as you say the female equivalent (which wouldn’t be spotted visually), there are also men very put off by VTPs as you put it. As this isn’t something you can send photos of to allies w someone to see this mentality, both ways, can be damaging for even the most confident people.
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"I’m not sure some men on here realise how much they sound like incels. Trust me boys, crying about how unfair you think fab is really isn’t going to get you laid.
Incels now too. Haha right you are
So women can repeatedly say this on threads (and a few guys) but you just don't believe us? Haha right you are.
No... I think there is a very serious problem with misogyny and also with misandry.. And also with incels. I don't think misusing or even abusing a term, an emotional label, does that any favours at all. But we can all have an opinion. It doesn't instantly make anything misogyny to disagree.
No see I think you’ve got it wrong
Women (and a few guys) are repeatedly saying it. That means it’s true
Now let’s see what other things lots of men say about women on fab, they must also be true by the logic
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You're not equating the same things. I and others saying there's misogyny and to a lesser extent incel attitudes on the site is NOT the same as criticising all women for a characteristic you say they possess. Or a behaviour you say they all
exhibit.
I'm not trying to say all men are misogynists. I But I witness misogynistic comments and behaviour on the site daily. |
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Off to see if I've got a two man tent or a three man one. I'm pretty sure it's just a one man tent though.
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I liked the sequel, The Rise of the Punched Lasagne
Deep impact.
Remember the absolute classic ‘These Woman Must Have Fannies Like Buckets’?
Armageddon aroused by all this talk of vag."
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"Not sure there is a term. But I was told by a woman that the female equivalent to a hard on is a wide on , suspect she may have been pulling my leg but it did make me laugh anyway "
No. It's a thing. Another one is froth on. |
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"I just wanna know how you’re measuring it, and what is classified as TP/VTP.
Dicks is easy- length, possibly girth. All standardised units.
Are we talking the depth? The diameter of opening?
Tuna can. "
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Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here. "
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
Mr DD"
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
Mr DD"
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"Your misogyny is showing boys.
Mr DD
Misogyny?! That's tongue in cheek right? Sadly that word is used way to much on here.
It's not used enough. You don't even see it.
"the fragile ego of women that get upset at the idea a guy won’t just take whatever he’s given"
That’s not misogyny
“It's not used enough. You don't even see it”
If we keep saying it enough, it’ll be true
That’s a big issue facing tackling misogyny, the word is thrown around so carelessly many people choose to ignore it these days, because literally everything and anything is misogyny
If saying some women have fragile egos that get bruised when men state a preference that isn’t what they are is misogynistic, then truly the words lost its meaning and I’m not surprised many are choosing to ignore when it’s used
You don’t see that it’s a pattern of behaviour and language? Men are assertive but women are bossy, men are passionate but women are angry.
Sexism and misogyny, like racism, has to be viewed through the context of power dynamics. Men traditionally hold the power in society, this has been the case for thousands of years, but now things are changing ever so slightly and as the old saying goes “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. Women are expressing preferences and it is being treated like men are being oppressed, they’re not, they’re just having to face up to the fact they don’t have all the power. That’s when we see language about women having fragile egos being used. Yet it’s a constant flow of men on the forums whining about how life is unfair that we see, not women. All I have seen on this thread is women encouraging men to have preferences, yet men continue to say that it’s not the case and that the problem lies with women.
If you can’t see that is misogynistic then there’s nothing else really to say.
Mr DD
Absolutely, nothing else to say. Misogyny has been expanded to mean literally anything women don’t like, even valid criticism of negative behaviours "
So this thread, bemoaning of women wanting big dicks is a negative behaviour? That's toooooooo funny. I bet the men with big dicks aren't complaining |
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You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
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So this thread, bemoaning of women wanting big dicks is a negative behaviour? That's toooooooo funny. I bet the men with big dicks aren't complaining "
We must be reading different threads. OP never bemoaned a big dick preference
They’ve bemoaned the difference in treatment of the sexes when expressing preferences |
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So this thread, bemoaning of women wanting big dicks is a negative behaviour? That's toooooooo funny. I bet the men with big dicks aren't complaining
We must be reading different threads. OP never bemoaned a big dick preference
They’ve bemoaned the difference in treatment of the sexes when expressing preferences "
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"Funny how the negative behaviour (by women) hasn't been elaborated on.
I did request earlier that the negative behaviour be expanded upon but got no answer.
Oh well
MrsAbz "
To be fair your first post of the day was openly admitting to being in a bad mood and looking to argue. Why would anyone want to respond to you |
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It's just another filter "
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So this thread, bemoaning of women wanting big dicks is a negative behaviour? That's toooooooo funny. I bet the men with big dicks aren't complaining
We must be reading different threads. OP never bemoaned a big dick preference
They’ve bemoaned the difference in treatment of the sexes when expressing preferences
This is correct."
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You can simply boil this down to culture in relation to the disparities between men and women.
First off there are more men than women so that puts women in demand so the ballance is already tipped. Women are in a position to demand from men.
Also cultural expectations between men and women are different, so "gender equality" does not exist nor had it ever existed and probably never will.
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"Funny how the negative behaviour (by women) hasn't been elaborated on.
I did request earlier that the negative behaviour be expanded upon but got no answer.
Oh well
MrsAbz
To be fair your first post of the day was openly admitting to being in a bad mood and looking to argue. Why would anyone want to respond to you "
Yet, I have been nothing but polite on this thread. I asked politely for clarification on what the actual negative behaviour was. That I was grumpy earlier is utterly irrelevant to this thread.
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So this thread, bemoaning of women wanting big dicks is a negative behaviour? That's toooooooo funny. I bet the men with big dicks aren't complaining
We must be reading different threads. OP never bemoaned a big dick preference
They’ve bemoaned the difference in treatment of the sexes when expressing preferences "
They've bemoaned the fact that due to the number of men vs the number of women here, they don't get to express a preference. That's not true though. They absolutely can and should express a preference if they want to.
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So this thread, bemoaning of women wanting big dicks is a negative behaviour? That's toooooooo funny. I bet the men with big dicks aren't complaining
We must be reading different threads. OP never bemoaned a big dick preference
They’ve bemoaned the difference in treatment of the sexes when expressing preferences
They've bemoaned the fact that due to the number of men vs the number of women here, they don't get to express a preference. That's not true though. They absolutely can and should express a preference if they want to.
J"
Must be reading a different thread, I can’t see anywhere in the OP where it talks about the numbers being a factor. But maybe they poster that after
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"Has any woman on the thread said men can't have preferences? "
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"Indeed. No-one's heard of the terms because I've had to make them up (unless anyone else has), which underlines the point. I know, of course, that it's because of the imbalance. Women can be very choosy and can easily afford to be rude and arrogant. I, on the other hand, have got no chance, so I just have suck it up."
Here. Literally the third post in the thread and second post by the OP. Imbalance... Women being choosy, rude, arrogant... The usual resentment
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"Indeed. No-one's heard of the terms because I've had to make them up (unless anyone else has), which underlines the point. I know, of course, that it's because of the imbalance. Women can be very choosy and can easily afford to be rude and arrogant. I, on the other hand, have got no chance, so I just have suck it up.
Here. Literally the third post in the thread and second post by the OP. Imbalance... Women being choosy, rude, arrogant... The usual resentment
J"
I just saw imbalance, I assumed he meant the imbalance of guys wanting sex more / lower standards, not numbers, but he might want to clarify there I can’t talk for him |
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"You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
Guess putting my tent up didn't take that long "
I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
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A post in several parts:
Personally I think the solution to this problem is the existence of standards in the first place. If we want fab to be truly equal it should be a condition of joining that you fuck whoever dms you without discrimination.
/jk
I'm not a doctor but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that vaginas are capable of pushing out entire humans so like. Perhaps we should worry less about stuff like this? Cause I'm pretty sure that hot woman you wanna fuck can take whatever you're packing if she r e a l l y wants to.
That's not to say people can't or shouldn't have preferences obvs, so if you want big ones or tight ones, that's awesome I love that for you. I will say tho that having never considered tightness as a criterion, I've still yet to encounter a pussy that didn't feel really fckn good. Maybe I'm just lucky tho idk.
And finally yeeeeaaaaahhhhhh if we could dial it down on the (unconscious?) misogyny that'd be great.
Okay I think I'm done. You can tell I'm bored at work by the number of different things I thought while reading this wild ride of a thread. |
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"You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
Guess putting my tent up didn't take that long
I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing."
It turns in to the oppression Olympics where everyone is neatly placed in a category based on their attributes and told how tough their life is or how easy it is compared to other
You example above makes it sound like a man could never experience sexism
This kind of thinking is all part of the current culture war because it’s signed to keep everyone in their box of oppression instead of realising we are all unique individuals with our own wants needs and struggles and we are all capable of being discriminated against, and no one else’s level of discrimination makes your own mean less |
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Each to their own, we play for fun, body types and equipment demands are quite off putting for us, if the physical attributes are primary to your requirements it suggests to us that we are merely objects to be used to fulfill your requirements,, not interested, now if we get on first and have a good time chances are we are gonna have a really good time playing, but each to their own. It is a fair question mind in these times of equality. |
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"You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
Guess putting my tent up didn't take that long
I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing.
It turns in to the oppression Olympics where everyone is neatly placed in a category based on their attributes and told how tough their life is or how easy it is compared to other
You example above makes it sound like a man could never experience sexism
This kind of thinking is all part of the current culture war because it’s signed to keep everyone in their box of oppression instead of realising we are all unique individuals with our own wants needs and struggles and we are all capable of being discriminated against, and no one else’s level of discrimination makes your own mean less "
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"You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
Guess putting my tent up didn't take that long
I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing.
It turns in to the oppression Olympics where everyone is neatly placed in a category based on their attributes and told how tough their life is or how easy it is compared to other
You example above makes it sound like a man could never experience sexism
This kind of thinking is all part of the current culture war because it’s signed to keep everyone in their box of oppression instead of realising we are all unique individuals with our own wants needs and struggles and we are all capable of being discriminated against, and no one else’s level of discrimination makes your own mean less "
Everyone can be discriminated against, yes but some groups of people are discriminated against on a far more regular and institutionalised basis.
Men can be r*ped but women are r*ped far more often. In the same way men are discriminated against but women are discriminated against far more. It’s not a competition, it’s just accepting reality.
Like I said, male privilege is a very real thing, we both have it.
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"I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing."
The reason I say it is dimensional and not intersectional is that some of the advantages of being male only apply to some males, so you can't simply add up privilege in a linear fashion. Being male is a disadvantage for some males, and in some situations.
You're saying it's a mixed bag because an individual is a member of many groups, I'm saying it's a mixed bag inside a single group too.
Rich men send poor men off to die. Women have less money, but don't get drafted. If you only ever see being a member of a group as an advantage or disadvantage, then you're missing part of the picture. |
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"I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing.
The reason I say it is dimensional and not intersectional is that some of the advantages of being male only apply to some males, so you can't simply add up privilege in a linear fashion. Being male is a disadvantage for some males, and in some situations.
You're saying it's a mixed bag because an individual is a member of many groups, I'm saying it's a mixed bag inside a single group too.
Rich men send poor men off to die. Women have less money, but don't get drafted. If you only ever see being a member of a group as an advantage or disadvantage, then you're missing part of the picture."
When was the last time anyone in this country was drafted for anything? Also, all combat roles have been open to women for 5 years now.
I will say it again “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. You have no idea what a poster boy for male privilege you are, and I doubt you ever will.
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"I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing.
The reason I say it is dimensional and not intersectional is that some of the advantages of being male only apply to some males, so you can't simply add up privilege in a linear fashion. Being male is a disadvantage for some males, and in some situations.
You're saying it's a mixed bag because an individual is a member of many groups, I'm saying it's a mixed bag inside a single group too.
Rich men send poor men off to die. Women have less money, but don't get drafted. If you only ever see being a member of a group as an advantage or disadvantage, then you're missing part of the picture."
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"Funny how the negative behaviour (by women) hasn't been elaborated on.
I did request earlier that the negative behaviour be expanded upon but got no answer.
Oh well
MrsAbz "
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"When was the last time anyone in this country was drafted for anything? Also, all combat roles have been open to women for 5 years now.
I will say it again “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. You have no idea what a poster boy for male privilege you are, and I doubt you ever will.
Mr DD"
I thought with Ukraine it might have been a clear example, but if you don't like it, as long as you understand the point I was making I'm sure you could come up with other examples. That said, missing the difference between being able to join the armed forces and being drafted is a pretty good demonstration of what I mean by missing part of the picture.
I don't know how to add up all the points are work out who's worse off, and I don't much care to, because you can look at each issue one by one and try to make things better.
You might disagree with me, that's fair. Nothing in your response said to me that you understood the idea I was trying to convey though. |
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"You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
Guess putting my tent up didn't take that long
I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing.
It turns in to the oppression Olympics where everyone is neatly placed in a category based on their attributes and told how tough their life is or how easy it is compared to other
You example above makes it sound like a man could never experience sexism
This kind of thinking is all part of the current culture war because it’s signed to keep everyone in their box of oppression instead of realising we are all unique individuals with our own wants needs and struggles and we are all capable of being discriminated against, and no one else’s level of discrimination makes your own mean less "
My vag is not an equal opportunities employer, so I'll discriminate and there's not a sausage anyone can do about it. However, that statement is good to go for every single member (although some may want to swap vag for dick) |
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"You need to consider the asymmetry between genders as well as within genders.
A few men hold a lot of power, most men very little. Even in recent events you can see how men get called up to go and fight in wars while the women and children are seen as precious and worthy of protection.
It's not wrong, there have always been biological / evolutionary reasons for this.
I can see how discussions on this topic end up being a mess because they get treated as one-dimensional. Men are the top and the bottom of the patriarchy.
Women are kind and gentle, men are wimps. You can always play word games.
Life is unfair, some of it you have to accept, some of it you should speak out against and fight to change.
Guess putting my tent up didn't take that long
I don't think anyone is disputing that men also suffer from discrimination such as classism or homophobia, or indeed the results of toxic masculinity but you need to consider intersectional discrimination.
A working class white man will be discriminated against through classism; a working class woman will be discriminated against through classism AND sexism. A working class black woman will be discriminated against through classism, sexism, AND racism.
No one is saying working class men don't have it tough, what we are saying that working class women have to contend with the same things as a working class man AND sexism on top of that.
Male privilege is a very real thing.
It turns in to the oppression Olympics where everyone is neatly placed in a category based on their attributes and told how tough their life is or how easy it is compared to other
You example above makes it sound like a man could never experience sexism
This kind of thinking is all part of the current culture war because it’s signed to keep everyone in their box of oppression instead of realising we are all unique individuals with our own wants needs and struggles and we are all capable of being discriminated against, and no one else’s level of discrimination makes your own mean less
Everyone can be discriminated against, yes but some groups of people are discriminated against on a far more regular and institutionalised basis.
Men can be r*ped but women are r*ped far more often. In the same way men are discriminated against but women are discriminated against far more. It’s not a competition, it’s just accepting reality.
Like I said, male privilege is a very real thing, we both have it.
Mr DD"
Pale, male, stale... Yep white, male, middle-aged privilege. |
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"When was the last time anyone in this country was drafted for anything? Also, all combat roles have been open to women for 5 years now.
I will say it again “when all you have known is privilege, equality feels like oppression”. You have no idea what a poster boy for male privilege you are, and I doubt you ever will.
Mr DD
I thought with Ukraine it might have been a clear example, but if you don't like it, as long as you understand the point I was making I'm sure you could come up with other examples. That said, missing the difference between being able to join the armed forces and being drafted is a pretty good demonstration of what I mean by missing part of the picture.
I don't know how to add up all the points are work out who's worse off, and I don't much care to, because you can look at each issue one by one and try to make things better.
You might disagree with me, that's fair. Nothing in your response said to me that you understood the idea I was trying to convey though."
I absolutely appreciate that men can experience discrimination and there are some things they experience more than women, but I’m afraid being drafted to go to war doesn’t really stack up against millennia of oppression. Women experience discrimination simply because they are women so regularly that we men cannot conceive of it. Poor men get sent to war not because they are men but because they are poor. If you cannot see the difference then I shall have to conclude that you just don’t want to.
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"I just wanna know how you’re measuring it, and what is classified as TP/VTP.
Dicks is easy- length, possibly girth. All standardised units.
Are we talking the depth? The diameter of opening?
Tuna can.
Then any fishy smell, you can blame the can "
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"I absolutely appreciate that men can experience discrimination and there are some things they experience more than women, "
"but I’m afraid being drafted to go to war doesn’t really stack up against millennia of oppression."
Like I said, not point scoring. If the Almighty Spaghetti Monster in the Sky has added up all the cosmic discrimination points and says women have it worse, happy to agree.
"Women experience discrimination simply because they are women so regularly that we men cannot conceive of it."
Stands to reason that the same is true in reverse. Women have said things to me that show they lack understanding of men, and I've struggle to understand things from women's point of view at times.
"Poor men get sent to war not because they are men but because they are poor. If you cannot see the difference then I shall have to conclude that you just don’t want to."
...but not poor women.
"Also, when was the last time anyone was drafted for anything in this country?"
At the risk of repeating myself, I thought of that example because when civilians were leaving Ukraine it was the men who were turned back at the borders and told to go fight. The thread was about sexual preferences so I'm not sure why we'd want to get into the s about some random example I picked or why it matters that I thought of Ukraine instead of UK.
If we agree that men can face discrimination, and I've already said that I'm not trying to point score or question that women might have it worse in the grand scheme of things, what are we arguing about?
Is it that, if you believe women have it worse, you can never discuss issues facing men? I hope that's not what you meant.
Think I'll go back out to my tent  Maybe someone else reading the thread can figure out why we seem to be talking past each other. |
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"It's fair and common game for a lady to specify WE or VWE gentlemen, but I've never heard of a chap daring to specify TP or VTP, as a requirement in the ladies. In these days of supposed sexual equality, this should be encouraged, surely. I don't want to sleep my way through FAB, either. Unsolicited pussy pics will result in immediate blocking etc.."
TP = Tight pussy?
VTP = Very tight pussy ?
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"I absolutely appreciate that men can experience discrimination and there are some things they experience more than women,
but I’m afraid being drafted to go to war doesn’t really stack up against millennia of oppression.
Like I said, not point scoring. If the Almighty Spaghetti Monster in the Sky has added up all the cosmic discrimination points and says women have it worse, happy to agree.
Women experience discrimination simply because they are women so regularly that we men cannot conceive of it.
Stands to reason that the same is true in reverse. Women have said things to me that show they lack understanding of men, and I've struggle to understand things from women's point of view at times.
Poor men get sent to war not because they are men but because they are poor. If you cannot see the difference then I shall have to conclude that you just don’t want to.
...but not poor women.
Also, when was the last time anyone was drafted for anything in this country?
At the risk of repeating myself, I thought of that example because when civilians were leaving Ukraine it was the men who were turned back at the borders and told to go fight. The thread was about sexual preferences so I'm not sure why we'd want to get into the s about some random example I picked or why it matters that I thought of Ukraine instead of UK.
If we agree that men can face discrimination, and I've already said that I'm not trying to point score or question that women might have it worse in the grand scheme of things, what are we arguing about?
Is it that, if you believe women have it worse, you can never discuss issues facing men? I hope that's not what you meant.
Think I'll go back out to my tent Maybe someone else reading the thread can figure out why we seem to be talking past each other."
You need to acknowledge your privilege first. I think that’s how these things work
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