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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Of course there’s an answer but when the NRA pad the pockets of government officials sitting in Congress making gun laws, gun reform is not viable. Banning the power of industries to influence politicians should be another issue tackled.
The ability to easily access assault rifles should not be a right in any country. It’s such an atrociously governed land from that perspective, human rights to adequate and accessible medical care come last but the right to bare arms that will kill multitudes is a given right to all. 
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There are more guns in America than people. Even if you could persuade lawmakers it was a good idea to get rid of them, it would be a monumental task that would meet violent resistance.
Unfortunately the Republican party cares more about guns than the lives of children. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"There are more guns in America than people. Even if you could persuade lawmakers it was a good idea to get rid of them, it would be a monumental task that would meet violent resistance.
Unfortunately the Republican party cares more about guns than the lives of children. "
They care more about votes, money, and power. They don't really care either way about the guns themselves. If getting rid of guns would give them all 3 of those things then you would see changes attempting to be made. |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough/ Kettering |
Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
I am in shock…. I am watching the local NBC tv station affiliate at the moment.. at least 22 dead and 50 injured…
They are talking about this person being a former army gun trainer.. and that he had mental health issues only last summer!!
My immediate thought as soon as I heard he lived in Maine as was still on the run was “I bet he is going to try to get to either tribal land.. or the Canadian border!
Just one more thought… Maine has probably the most relaxed gun laws in the nation |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Of course there’s an answer but when the NRA pad the pockets of government officials sitting in Congress making gun laws, gun reform is not viable. Banning the power of industries to influence politicians should be another issue tackled.
The ability to easily access assault rifles should not be a right in any country. It’s such an atrociously governed land from that perspective, human rights to adequate and accessible medical care come last but the right to bare arms that will kill multitudes is a given right to all.
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The NRA no longer have the power or influence you think.The NRA have never "padded the pockets",they have lobbied like every other business/interest group(no different than here).The Obama administration banned assault rifles(which are blocked from being full automatic)for a presidential term as a trial.It achieved nothing,that's why they were re-introduced.The problem is law enforcement not carrying out checks,or doing it fully.Everyone needs a licence,State laws add extra restrictions,for example some states prohibit anyone with a drink driving conviction from having any firearm.Most shootings are carried out by people without a licence and therefore an illegally possessed weapon..No law can stop that.Since Dunblane here,there are more handguns and other firearm types than ever before,all illegally possesd,and more shootings than before Dunblane. |
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If the government did try and take the guns it would be carnage and lead to countless massacres and Ruby Ridge style events.
I cannot see a solution for the problem considering how many they have in legal and illegal circulation.
How come a good man with a gun didn’t stop it……… |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Of course there’s an answer but when the NRA pad the pockets of government officials sitting in Congress making gun laws, gun reform is not viable. Banning the power of industries to influence politicians should be another issue tackled.
The ability to easily access assault rifles should not be a right in any country. It’s such an atrociously governed land from that perspective, human rights to adequate and accessible medical care come last but the right to bare arms that will kill multitudes is a given right to all.
The NRA no longer have the power or influence you think.The NRA have never "padded the pockets",they have lobbied like every other business/interest group(no different than here).The Obama administration banned assault rifles(which are blocked from being full automatic)for a presidential term as a trial.It achieved nothing,that's why they were re-introduced.The problem is law enforcement not carrying out checks,or doing it fully.Everyone needs a licence,State laws add extra restrictions,for example some states prohibit anyone with a drink driving conviction from having any firearm.Most shootings are carried out by people without a licence and therefore an illegally possessed weapon..No law can stop that.Since Dunblane here,there are more handguns and other firearm types than ever before,all illegally possesd,and more shootings than before Dunblane."
Actually a lot of what you have written is not correct
The NRA may not have the influence it once did (because of financial issues) but it still has a grip over the Republican Party with lobbying money
There was an “assault weapon” ban that was brought in as part of the Brady bill in 96 under bill Clinton, but it had a 10 year “Sunset clause” where it needed to be renewed every 10 years…. It wasn’t renewed under Bush in 2006
I think with this one you may hear a lot of “if he was having serious mental health issues” as recently as last summer.. and it was known to the authorities..why was he allowed to keep his weapons!”
There is going to be some clamour to tighten up gun laws… Maine even rejected a 14 day gun check law last year… |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane. "
Buy people with guns kill people more effectively than people without guns. How many times has a person with a knife managed to kill 22 and injure more than 50.
So yeah, people kill people.
People with guns can do it quicker and from further away |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough/ Kettering |
"Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane.
Buy people with guns kill people more effectively than people without guns. How many times has a person with a knife managed to kill 22 and injure more than 50.
So yeah, people kill people.
People with guns can do it quicker and from further away"
My point is that before someone is allowed to have a gun they should be checked out. In this country they do a thorough check on you. Everything is checked, your medical history, your criminal record, your facebook account etc etc. If there's one blip on your record you don't get a license, it's that simple. Does this happen anywhere in the USA? I'm not sure how anyone could justify having an assault rifle for personal use but that's how crazy the Americans are ! |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough/ Kettering |
"In 2021 Jake Davison shot dead 5 people in Plymouth. He had known mental health issues. "
Can't comment on individual cases but every police force has slightly different policies. In Northamptonshire the police are stricter than most but they should all follow the same guidelines? |
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Geography is one of the biggest issues the sheer size of America 11 state's that are bigger than the UK with tiny populations by comparison,how could you police this and enforce a gun ban?
I think we forgot that there's people who would rather you chop off their arm than give up owning a weapon they will literally fight to the death to defend their right to own and bear arm's .
You'd have more luck banning mobile phones. |
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"In 2021 Jake Davison shot dead 5 people in Plymouth. He had known mental health issues. "
Police royally fucked up with him, they removed his shotgun license and took the guns. They then handed them back to him, including his license.
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"Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane.
Buy people with guns kill people more effectively than people without guns. How many times has a person with a knife managed to kill 22 and injure more than 50.
So yeah, people kill people.
People with guns can do it quicker and from further away
My point is that before someone is allowed to have a gun they should be checked out. In this country they do a thorough check on you. Everything is checked, your medical history, your criminal record, your facebook account etc etc. If there's one blip on your record you don't get a license, it's that simple. Does this happen anywhere in the USA? I'm not sure how anyone could justify having an assault rifle for personal use but that's how crazy the Americans are ! "
Having lived in the States and seen the gun issue up close and too personal at times, background checks won’t achieve anything significant - there are so many guns in ownership and circulating that beginning background checks now won’t even make a dent in the death rate. There’ll always be a gun and ammunition available to a determined nutcase. Plus a lot of the one on one (non gang / non criminal) shootings that happen every day and don’t even make the news are the result of impromptu arguments/ road rage / alcohol / drugs; seemingly normal people that pull a gun because they are having a heated argument with an Ex or some twat cutting them up on the road, they’re like children with these weapons sometimes, leaving them laying around, loaded and unsecured. The irony of a gun advocate Mom who had left her loaded (and cocked!) handgun in the back of her car seat pocket and was shot in the back and killed, through the seat by her inquisitive toddler. Honestly these people are fucking morons and she would have passed any background check!
I’ve got so many stories of close calls and witnessing shootings and I only lived out there for four years in a nice bit of Connecticut.  |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough/ Kettering |
"Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane.
Buy people with guns kill people more effectively than people without guns. How many times has a person with a knife managed to kill 22 and injure more than 50.
So yeah, people kill people.
People with guns can do it quicker and from further away
My point is that before someone is allowed to have a gun they should be checked out. In this country they do a thorough check on you. Everything is checked, your medical history, your criminal record, your facebook account etc etc. If there's one blip on your record you don't get a license, it's that simple. Does this happen anywhere in the USA? I'm not sure how anyone could justify having an assault rifle for personal use but that's how crazy the Americans are !
Having lived in the States and seen the gun issue up close and too personal at times, background checks won’t achieve anything significant - there are so many guns in ownership and circulating that beginning background checks now won’t even make a dent in the death rate. There’ll always be a gun and ammunition available to a determined nutcase. Plus a lot of the one on one (non gang / non criminal) shootings that happen every day and don’t even make the news are the result of impromptu arguments/ road rage / alcohol / drugs; seemingly normal people that pull a gun because they are having a heated argument with an Ex or some twat cutting them up on the road, they’re like children with these weapons sometimes, leaving them laying around, loaded and unsecured. The irony of a gun advocate Mom who had left her loaded (and cocked!) handgun in the back of her car seat pocket and was shot in the back and killed, through the seat by her inquisitive toddler. Honestly these people are fucking morons and she would have passed any background check!
I’ve got so many stories of close calls and witnessing shootings and I only lived out there for four years in a nice bit of Connecticut. "
There's nearly 540,000 people in the UK who hold either a shotgun license or a firearms license. The average number of people killed by gunshot wounds in the UK each year is less than 50 and of these 50 a large majority of these shootings will be carried out by people who own their gun illegally. I think the UK has guns under control. I'm just glad I don't live in the USA ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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*picks up Glock puts in Jesse James handbag* off to work I go. Yup I am batshit crazy. Side eyes the gun safe on the way out. I should be in a mental institution for what in there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whilst UK licensing is far from perfect it basically works on a good reason for a gun, responsible and safe person.
However, of the 4 major mass shootings in the UK, all have been carried out by license holders. 3 were failures to apply the regulations effectively. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Whilst UK licensing is far from perfect it basically works on a good reason for a gun, responsible and safe person.
However, of the 4 major mass shootings in the UK, all have been carried out by license holders. 3 were failures to apply the regulations effectively."
Correct.Each case shouldn't have happened because of the "lessons learned" from the previous case so it will never happen again. |
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"*picks up Glock puts in Jesse James handbag* off to work I go. Yup I am batshit crazy. Side eyes the gun safe on the way out. I should be in a mental institution for what in there. "
I think you can figure out what the rest of the world thinks when we see the Christmas Cards with the picture on the front with the entire family posing in their festive jumpers with assault rifles and handguns in front of a tree…
It’s beyond parody, It’s fucking mental. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"*picks up Glock puts in Jesse James handbag* off to work I go. Yup I am batshit crazy. Side eyes the gun safe on the way out. I should be in a mental institution for what in there.
I think you can figure out what the rest of the world thinks when we see the Christmas Cards with the picture on the front with the entire family posing in their festive jumpers with assault rifles and handguns in front of a tree…
It’s beyond parody, It’s fucking mental."
I don't do that . That's just silly. But if they want to they can. Merry Xmas. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"*picks up Glock puts in Jesse James handbag* off to work I go. Yup I am batshit crazy. Side eyes the gun safe on the way out. I should be in a mental institution for what in there.
I think you can figure out what the rest of the world thinks when we see the Christmas Cards with the picture on the front with the entire family posing in their festive jumpers with assault rifles and handguns in front of a tree…
It’s beyond parody, It’s fucking mental."
And let's would be criminals know the response they will get if they break in.A friend of mine wishes he had a firearm when villains broke in,cable tied his wife to a chair,poured petrol over her and threatened to take her fingers off with the machetes they had before setting her on fire. |
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"A friend of mine wishes he had a firearm when villains broke in,cable tied his wife to a chair,poured petrol over her and threatened to take her fingers off with the machetes they had before setting her on fire."
Was this in UK ? |
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"Whilst UK licensing is far from perfect it basically works on a good reason for a gun, responsible and safe person.
However, of the 4 major mass shootings in the UK, all have been carried out by license holders. 3 were failures to apply the regulations effectively."
Hamilton,Ryan,bird,Davidson all had reason for revocation of cert. |
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"Of course there’s an answer but when the NRA pad the pockets of government officials sitting in Congress making gun laws, gun reform is not viable. Banning the power of industries to influence politicians should be another issue tackled.
The ability to easily access assault rifles should not be a right in any country. It’s such an atrociously governed land from that perspective, human rights to adequate and accessible medical care come last but the right to bare arms that will kill multitudes is a given right to all.
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You can't ban access to assault weapons, how else can you expect them to deal with pest infestations.  |
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"Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane.
Buy people with guns kill people more effectively than people without guns. How many times has a person with a knife managed to kill 22 and injure more than 50.
So yeah, people kill people.
People with guns can do it quicker and from further away"
Get a nice barret .50 cal rifle, you can kill at over a mile away. With a bullet that big, body armour is optional. |
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By *xmcdTV/TS
over a year ago
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I have relatives that live in the US, they have guns including an ar15. The arguments caused because of there attitude to guns is unbelievable.
I just don’t get the fascination but then I don’t live there and I especially do not understand how the public just accept this as the norm |
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How can a nation of people not trusted with the kinder egg or a beer until they are 21, hell beer full stop (as what they have is closer to piss than Beer) be allowed Guns, someone needs to take the kids toys away. |
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"Guns don't kill people, that's down to the person pulling the trigger! I have no problem with people having guns but the authorities over there need to be checking the people who want them and do their best to make sure they are sane.
Buy people with guns kill people more effectively than people without guns. How many times has a person with a knife managed to kill 22 and injure more than 50.
So yeah, people kill people.
People with guns can do it quicker and from further away
Get a nice barret .50 cal rifle, you can kill at over a mile away. With a bullet that big, body armour is optional."
Some can,most cant,it is not that easy, for 1 thing it is around afour second flight time so the person needs to still be in the same place when the bullet gets there, add in wind and spin drift it becomes a very difficult shot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How can a nation of people not trusted with the kinder egg or a beer until they are 21, hell beer full stop (as what they have is closer to piss than Beer) be allowed Guns, someone needs to take the kids toys away. "
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If I lived in a place where everyone else had a gun I'd probably either leave or get a gun myself.
Flip side
If I lived in a place where nobody has a gun but I did I'd either leave or more than happy to get rid of the gun.
The US just like every country on the planet has it's share of irresponsible idiots so maybe a IQ test should be compulsory with gun ownership. |
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"If I lived in a place where everyone else had a gun I'd probably either leave or get a gun myself.
Flip side
If I lived in a place where nobody has a gun but I did I'd either leave or more than happy to get rid of the gun.
The US just like every country on the planet has it's share of irresponsible idiots so maybe a IQ test should be compulsory with gun ownership."
I leave everyday carrying mine. |
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"If I lived in a place where everyone else had a gun I'd probably either leave or get a gun myself.
Flip side
If I lived in a place where nobody has a gun but I did I'd either leave or more than happy to get rid of the gun.
The US just like every country on the planet has it's share of irresponsible idiots so maybe a IQ test should be compulsory with gun ownership. I leave everyday carrying mine."
Might want to invest in some sort of holster, save you having to carry it. |
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"If I lived in a place where everyone else had a gun I'd probably either leave or get a gun myself.
Flip side
If I lived in a place where nobody has a gun but I did I'd either leave or more than happy to get rid of the gun.
The US just like every country on the planet has it's share of irresponsible idiots so maybe a IQ test should be compulsory with gun ownership. I leave everyday carrying mine."
Yeah but don't you have Bears round your area? |
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"If I lived in a place where everyone else had a gun I'd probably either leave or get a gun myself.
Flip side
If I lived in a place where nobody has a gun but I did I'd either leave or more than happy to get rid of the gun.
The US just like every country on the planet has it's share of irresponsible idiots so maybe a IQ test should be compulsory with gun ownership. I leave everyday carrying mine.
Yeah but don't you have Bears round your area?"
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