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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, and then given a jail sentence.

I think the whole "you're no longer a citizen" because your homeland grants you one anyway is BS.

But she definitely shouldn't get away with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news "

Abandoned her country when she signed up to fight for ISIS. Should never be allowed back in the country. This whole "I was groomed to be that way, I didn't know what I was doing" bollocks doesn't and never will sit right with me.

She made her own bed and she can lie in it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

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By *unandgamegeekMan over a year ago

Bolton

I don't think she should be allowed back as she is a traitor to this country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?"

She was old enough to get on a plane and travel by herself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?"

Yep 15 when she left for Syria. In my mind you're very much aware of the consequences of your actions at that age so she doesn't deserve to be back in the UK. Many people may disagree but with her potential knowledge of ISIS and being allowed back in the UK (possibly) what's to say her being sorry isn't a whole smoke & mirrors act and she's plotting revenge?

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By *archelCouple over a year ago

A field somewhere

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?"

Yep, but makes no difference, there was a campaign to let 16 year old vote, and if 16 is old enough to vote then she sure as hell knew what she was getting in to at 15.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Yeah you’re over the age of criminal responsibility at 15 for sure. I’m glad any decisions I made at that age haven’t come back to haunt me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Yep, but makes no difference, there was a campaign to let 16 year old vote, and if 16 is old enough to vote then she sure as hell knew what she was getting in to at 15."

But they didnt let 16 yo's vote. My 15yo doesn't know her arse from her elbow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thing is, you can't automatically revoke citizenship unless they have another. The Brits said she had an automatic one granted to her because her parents were Bangladeshi nationals, but she never actually applied.

Bangladesh don't take responsibility either.

Being of no country, traitor or not, isn't a thing.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

I cannot see how she can be let back into the country, where would she go? How will she support herself? By getting a job? Who'd employ it??

Would she live under restriction and surveillance for the rest of her life? Who would foot the bill for that?

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By *sleWightCoupleCouple over a year ago

Ryde

A silly little girl who went out there with her head filled with the romantic notion of being a freedom-fighter, but it came as a real shock to be among those who see women as merely sex/baby-making machines and housekeepers.

It was at that point she realised that living somewhere with decent human rights and equality laws is quite a nice thing, actually.

If she wins her case and the right to stay here, classify her as the highest level of national security risk, and stick her in solitary confinement for a couple of decades.

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By *orbidden eastMan over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

Quite simply a twat

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By *iscean_dreamMan over a year ago

Llanelli

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Yeah you’re over the age of criminal responsibility at 15 for sure. I’m glad any decisions I made at that age haven’t come back to haunt me "

I promise never to tell anyone what you did to those chickens in Tesco that one time

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By *estinyIsAllCouple over a year ago

Staffordshire

Traitors should be treated as such.

"Death or Exile"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let her go in Masked Singer. If she wins she can stay

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news "

Yes, absolutely.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Then she would be invaluable to the security services.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Then she would be invaluable to the security services."

She knows f all that the security services don't know already.

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

pt"

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist.

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By *ou only live onceMan over a year ago

London

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist."

Then let's try her for terrorism offences (I agree it's a pretty open and shut case) and let her serve her time, like any other criminal.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

pt"

Was she extremely right or extremely left ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch

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By *ulfilthmentMan over a year ago

Just around the corner

We seem quite comfortable to welcome back male fighters who’ve had a change of heart, even if they do end up in prison.

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist.

Then let's try her for terrorism offences (I agree it's a pretty open and shut case) and let her serve her time, like any other criminal."

What time? Three months with Jasper and Hermione the social workers on a course of gardening therapy that will stop her from being naughty in the future.These f******* wouldn't show you an ounce of compassion if you were there when they were carrying out an attack.The idea that we show compassion makes us better/right/an example is bollocks.To the terrorist compassion is weakness and it's exactly those values they want to destroy so they can impose their Draconian tyranny on everyone,including ironically women,keeping those damn pesky females downtrodden,cooking,cleaning,uneducated,without a job/career and spewing out the next generation of terrorists.Mysogyny?

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By *ou only live onceMan over a year ago

London

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist.

Then let's try her for terrorism offences (I agree it's a pretty open and shut case) and let her serve her time, like any other criminal.

I've no doubt that's right. But it's not compassion, it's the rule of law I'm concerned with. I don't think we can just discard it when it doesn't suit us.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

Was she extremely right or extremely left ?

"
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You are an absolute child Tom. What is your excuse?

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist."

Badge of honour coming from you mate.

And I never said anyone is above the justice system.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch"

Such lovely sentiments all in one thread!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Now that it has been driven home to me how worldly and knowing our 15 year olds are I think it's high time we lowered the school leaving age and had them in the most senior roles in society.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?"

And we add on the grooming years... except people don't want to go that far though.

They all evil... hang, hang, hang.

Aren't we supposed to be better than this?

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Now that it has been driven home to me how worldly and knowing our 15 year olds are I think it's high time we lowered the school leaving age and had them in the most senior roles in society. "

And make the OP PM. Our problems solved! pt

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch

The word 'bitch' always informs me what a man thinks of any woman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here's what I don't get. These fanatics don't have the wherewithal to string two bits of metal together. Yet they were armed to the teeth with incredibly destructive firepower from Europe.

I think we need to go after the source of the problem. Those factories and people who sold them all the weapons. Jemima and Jamal would never have wielded guns without their help , they'd be peacefully sheep shearing.

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By *ou only live onceMan over a year ago

London

"Now that it has been driven home to me how worldly and knowing our 15 year olds are I think it's high time we lowered the school leaving age and had them in the most senior roles in society.

And make the OP PM. Our problems solved! pt"

We're already being governed by the Daily Mail by proxy, so I think we're almost there already...

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By *ansoffateMan over a year ago

Sagittarius A

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

And we add on the grooming years... except people don't want to go that far though.

They all evil... hang, hang, hang.

Aren't we supposed to be better than this?

pt"

Taking the moral high ground whilst calling for violence.

I have never understood that mentality.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

And we add on the grooming years... except people don't want to go that far though.

They all evil... hang, hang, hang.

Aren't we supposed to be better than this?

Taking the moral high ground whilst calling for violence.

I have never understood that mentality."

Their bark is louder than their bite. Populists love to spurt nonsense, they'd be the last to act on it.

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By *electableicecreamMan over a year ago

The West

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

She made her own bed and she can lie in it."

Have you never heard of Patty Hurst?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it’s such a hard topic to find an agreement across society. I personally hate any form of terrorism but I also can’t accept people not having their basic human rights met. Shes living in a tent, away from her kids now I’m sure, stranded from family etc.

Bring her back, investigation on what she did and let her face whatever happens if anything at all. She’s lived through the way they treat women, she’s been sexually assaulted and seen two

of her kids die. Yes she left and joined ISIS but she was only 15 and stupid.

Hasn’t she suffered enough?

As I said, it’s a hard one to find agreement over:

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By *sleWightCoupleCouple over a year ago

Ryde

"Have you never heard of Patty Hurst?"

Patty Hearst's claims of Stockholm Syndrome were completely debunked in court, leading to a prison sentence - but her family's strong political connections managed to get her jail time commuted to time-served.

Bottom line: if you are going to make such claims about becoming a terrorist during captivity, you are on dodgy ground when police find copies of bomb-making manuals in your apartment whilst you're in their clutches.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist."

You've clearly never worked with groomed teenagers. And, yes, she very clearly was a kid.

Your definition of 'terrorist' makes the word meaningless.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Have you never heard of Patty Hurst?

Patty Hearst's claims of Stockholm Syndrome were completely debunked in court."

Umm, no, they really weren't.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch

The word 'bitch' always informs me what a man thinks of any woman. "

Especially weird considering she was a child at the time.

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By *arl17Man over a year ago

Central Portugal

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news "

Fuck That!

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Was she extremely right or extremely left ?"

Neither, Tom. You are confusing categories. A tiny bit of research would inform almost all of the questions you ask.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The girls an idiot and she knows it.

Theres no good answer here and no right answer.

It hurts my head

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news "
Shes doing it to prove that you can do what you like in Britain and get away with it and what better place than our legal system

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Shes doing it to prove that you can do what you like in Britain and get away with it and what better place than our legal system

I think she did it so Tom could post about it on Fabs

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By *ixey and CopperCouple over a year ago

Exeter

Now imagine she is a 15 year old white girl from Surrey?

The girl was groomed! Not at 15 but younger, she was a child. Arranged marriage, the babies ffs

Let her back in and let her face her punishment, tagged etc.

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By *CBoyTV/TS over a year ago

Tonypandy

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?"

Yes and she was and therefore legally a child. And yes she was groomed. But it appears that if you're a Muslim child normal British laws don't apply. The Metropolitan police had her under surveillance and as a chid they should have stepped in to help her rather than sitting back and letting the situation escalate.

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Shes doing it to prove that you can do what you like in Britain and get away with it and what better place than our legal system

I think she did it so Tom could post about it on Fabs"
Well its certainly 'all over the news'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Yep, but makes no difference, there was a campaign to let 16 year old vote, and if 16 is old enough to vote then she sure as hell knew what she was getting in to at 15.

But they didnt let 16 yo's vote. My 15yo doesn't know her arse from her elbow. "

The perfect voter.

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By *CBoyTV/TS over a year ago

Tonypandy

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

pt"

I agree. We can all have our opinions that at 15 she knew what she was doing.. .But under UK law she was a child. However disturbing her actions the laws pertaining to children should be applied. That has never been done in her case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch

That’s disgusting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well to those people who say "but she was only 15 and didn't know what she was doing!". If she didn't know what she was doing, how the hell did she plan her trip via multiple countries using multiple modes of transport to evade the authorities and end up with a terrorist organisation?. This insipid excuse for a human being should be put on the end of a rope for being for all intense and purposes, a traitor to the country.

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well to those people who say "but she was only 15 and didn't know what she was doing!". If she didn't know what she was doing, how the hell did she plan her trip via multiple countries using multiple modes of transport to evade the authorities and end up with a terrorist organisation?. This insipid excuse for a human being should be put on the end of a rope for being for all intense and purposes, a traitor to the country.

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!."

You’re happy to kill someone based on their decisions as a 15 year old? How does that make you any better than the terrorists?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because every groomed 15 year old makes sensible decisions…..

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By *ixey and CopperCouple over a year ago

Exeter

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!."

Yep, definitely just all her organisation.

Nobody else was involved

ffs

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By *uper SaiyanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I dont think she should be allowed to return. Consequences of her actions, things we all learn by mid-to-late teens.

I would argue that even though she was 15, she went with the mindset that she is an adult and made that choice. Just like we have now with kids thinking theyre "Big Mans" they should get the repocusions of the same level.

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By *rimly FiendishMan over a year ago

Heath Hayes

She should count herself lucky,her friends are dead or missing.

Would she be bleating and blubbering about coming home if the ISIS caliphate was still up and running ? I doubt very much .

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By *heGateKeeperMan over a year ago

Stratford

She’s British. British born and educated and should be brought back here and charged for any crimes she has committed and face justice in a British court.

She was groomed. We expect other countries to hold their home grown terrorists to account, and should do the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I think she should stay were she is… or comeback and be tried on the charge of terrorism and imprisoned accordingly or Holland take her in. She married a Dutch convert. But they don’t recognise the marriage and they’re a very liberal country.

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

She may have been groomed. But she knew the extent of what she was going there to do and take part in. The radicalisation videos portray the west as evil and killing innocents in the Arab world. Propaganda works both ways.

But there’s no doubt that she knew what she was joining, they make a point of saying death to the west, death to non believers. So she knew what that meant for people caught up in the advance of ISIS

If de radicalisation was effective id say yes offer it. But with the London Bridge attackers it’s easy to say and act de radicalised. And then be classed as safe, then go and commit yet another act of violence. De radicalisation can only work if you the person wants it to. And I don’t think she does. She blames everyone else for her actions and takes no responsibility in her choices.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

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By *rimly FiendishMan over a year ago

Heath Hayes

Shes was British past tense

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By *oldenandsilverMan over a year ago

co.durham

No ,never to be forgiven , no return here deport her to anywhere in the world that will have her,it'll cost thousands in benefits to keep her and her child/ ren ?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Thankfully I don't have to decide. I think we need to be very careful as emotions are leading. I'm not sure the facts of her crimes. Joining a proscribed organisation and living in Syria..? Beyond living there what did she actually do? I think pandering to mob rule is a dangerous path to follow. It's not like she's dropping bombs on innocents being corralled into ghettos but somehow we support them.

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By *allguynowMan over a year ago

durham

As well as her actions in going to join isis I believe she also lost two or three babies. Which seems strange to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big money to be made outa this case if whoever takes it on wins, they don’t give a shit about her

I seem to remember the government warning against going and joining isis, something like if you go you won’t be coming back

Fuck her !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

You’re happy to kill someone based on their decisions as a 15 year old? How does that make you any better than the terrorists?"
because, she knew fully that travelling to a "terrorist organisation" was to carry out murderers... simple as that. They even told the world they would do it again and again so, would that then justify travelling to join them?. As for hanging her, I'm pretty sure she's carried out the judge, jury and executioners job for them wouldn't you agree?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

Yep, definitely just all her organisation.

Nobody else was involved

ffs "
did they hold a gun to her head and frog marched her over there?.... ffs!

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By *omsubdevonCouple over a year ago

Newton Abbot

Always an interesting debate this one. My thoughts:

1. Rule of law should apply

2. She was a child when she left the UK. At that age you can't vote as you are not mature enough to make decisions such as who to vote for, so surely the same applies for her leaving the country.

3. It's a slippery slope when a British citizen can have their citizenship removed without any legal route being used.

4. She should return to the UK and he held to account in a court of law and if found guilty of whatever crimes she is charged with be given a suitable time in prison.

5. Some of the comments on here astound me.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

pt"

Agree 100% x

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch

Wow!

just wow!!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

Good filter thread again! X

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I’m not exactly sure what laws she broke but many girls and women left Europe and America to join women's protection units and fight ISIS in Kurdistan. Does the same apply to them - although most are dead or chose to stay but if they wanted to come home should they also gave prison ?

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By *onderWomanWlvWoman over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Series 2 of "I am not a monster" on BBC 5 is really interesting. I'd say a lot of people on this thread could do with listening to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I think she should stay were she is… or comeback and be tried on the charge of terrorism and imprisoned accordingly or Holland take her in. She married a Dutch convert. But they don’t recognise the marriage and they’re a very liberal country.

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

We all follow the 'mob' to some degree but following that mob can lead to more serious consequences

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By *ndtheswingersMan over a year ago

colchester

"She was groomed as a kid ffs.

And some of us Brits always go on and on about how different and 'better' we are!

Fanatical Begum haters just prove that some people are horrible wherever you go I say.

She wasn't a kid.she knew exactly what she was doing.In the age of the interweb kids are not 'thick'.Support a terrorist,you are a terrorist."

My 15 year old messaged me on Monday to ask for our address.

We've lived here 18 years.

Not all 15 year olds are not thick

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By *estinyIsAllCouple over a year ago

Staffordshire

"Good filter thread again! X"

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

She was a child, bring her home, put her on trial, and if she’s guilty she serves her sentence.

If we start giving the government the ability to take away someone’s citizenship then we are on a very slippery slope.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"She was a child, bring her home, put her on trial, and if she’s guilty she serves her sentence.

If we start giving the government the ability to take away someone’s citizenship then we are on a very slippery slope.

As an aside to the actual thread , the government have had the ability to revoke citizenship since the early 1900’s.

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"No, the evil

Little bitch should swing from a rope

Disgusting isis bitch

Wow!

just wow!!"

Ear that's my line

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To those that say hang her... Thats pretty much what "isis" and other "sharia law" countries do... Pot kettle black.

As with many very divisive subjects finding a middle ground that appeases both sides(you only have to see this thread)is gonna be very difficult

gov't allows her in, they're soft of terror,

politicians that support her "you support terror organisations"

I doubt many MP's will be in front of a camera either way

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"She was a child, bring her home, put her on trial, and if she’s guilty she serves her sentence.

If we start giving the government the ability to take away someone’s citizenship then we are on a very slippery slope.

As an aside to the actual thread , the government have had the ability to revoke citizenship since the early 1900’s. "

I wonder how many times it's been used and in what circumstances?

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By *ermite12ukMan over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

She chose her bed. She can lay in it now.

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By *sername already in useMan over a year ago

manchester

I think there should be a panel of 10 people, all who sit on it must have had a family member murdered by IS.

They discuss and argue pros and cons and make a decision.

They’re the only people with the experience and qualifications in this decision making process.

Maybe they’ll consult people on sex sites for their opinion on the matter, maybe they won’t, who knows.

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By *sername already in useMan over a year ago

manchester

"She chose her bed. She can lay in it now."

Think she has a camp cot now.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

She has dumped the dark cloak for tshirts and a baseball cap. Does this demonstrate reform ?

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By *electableicecreamMan over a year ago

The West

It's like Salem in here.

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By *aissez-faireMan over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo

The decision to revoke her citizenship was not based on national security but winning votes. Judging by the comments on this thread the Tories know what they’re doing.

A recent study by the Harvard Medical School found that “the frontal and pre-frontal lobes of the brain, which regulate impulse control and judgment, are not fully developed in adolescents. Development is not completed until somewhere between 18 and 22 years of age. These findings confirm that adolescents generally have a greater tendency towards impulsivity, making unsound judgments or reasoning, and are less aware of the consequences of their actions.”

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"The decision to revoke her citizenship was not based on national security but winning votes. Judging by the comments on this thread the Tories know what they’re doing.

Well... That's another way of saying some teenagers do stupid stuff.. Pour science at it but we were all kids once. Not justifying her choices but if this were a black or white teenager the hashtags would be out in force. It is well established that teenager grooming takes place (or why would we be pouring money into stopping it)... Its just in this case we don't believe it happens and should throw her to the wolves. Hope it never happens to any kids you know.

Again. Not defending her choices. But if we do this to her for travelling to Syria..... Then we should do it to all those who travelled to Syria (and any other of the proscribed organisations)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think there should be a panel of 10 people, all who sit on it must have had a family member murdered by IS.

They discuss and argue pros and cons and make a decision.

They’re the only people with the experience and qualifications in this decision making process.

Maybe they’ll consult people on sex sites for their opinion on the matter, maybe they won’t, who knows. "

They'll want her deported and sent back to the UK too, since the family members all lived and died in Syria and Iraq

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Yep, but makes no difference, there was a campaign to let 16 year old vote, and if 16 is old enough to vote then she sure as hell knew what she was getting in to at 15.

But they didnt let 16 yo's vote. My 15yo doesn't know her arse from her elbow.

The perfect voter."

Just imagine, parliament full of Minecraft youtubers and tiktok stars all voted in as Mp's

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By *panksspankedMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

Regardless of the person in question. Nobody should be rendered stateless and this sets a rather alarming precedent.

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By *sername already in useMan over a year ago

manchester

"I think there should be a panel of 10 people, all who sit on it must have had a family member murdered by IS.

They discuss and argue pros and cons and make a decision.

They’re the only people with the experience and qualifications in this decision making process.

Maybe they’ll consult people on sex sites for their opinion on the matter, maybe they won’t, who knows.

They'll want her deported and sent back to the UK too, since the family members all lived and died in Syria and Iraq

IS didn’t kill any Brits no?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!."

When someone has been taught how to read a train timetable and buy a ticket and is helped to travel through certain countries, it doesn't automatically followthat they are aware of the long term consequences of looking for love in war torn regions.... kids do silly things.

You , on the other hand are not 15 and yet want to kill someone by asphyxiating them with their own body weight and call them an 'insipid excuse for a human being'

Having womens' dead bodies hanging in public as a warning ..... not my idea of civilisation. In fact .... sounds very Talibany or Gilleadian.

Scratch the surface.......

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

No. Why should I pay for a known terrorist to stay at His Majesty’s pleasure for the rest of her life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"She chose her bed. She can lay in it now.

Think she has a camp cot now. "

Pretty comfy though

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

In all honesty, I could not care less what happens to her. If people want to let her back, then crack on.

If people want her kept out. Go for it.

I won't lose sleep either way. I don't wish harm but I have zero sympathy or empathy regarding this.

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By *lmost TouchingMan over a year ago

Wherever I lay my hat.

No, she is a fanatic. Now she is a good example for other girls raised in a privileged country but in a backward community.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The girls an idiot and she knows it.

Theres no good answer here and no right answer.

It hurts my head"

There is a very clear 'right' i.e. legal answer.

And what does idiocy have to do with citizenship?

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"No, she is a fanatic. Now she is a good example for other girls raised in a privileged country but in a backward community."

Please tell us more about her community.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Shes doing it to prove that you can do what you like in Britain and get away with it and what better place than our legal system

What exactly is she getting away with?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"No, she is a fanatic. Now she is a good example for other girls raised in a privileged country but in a backward community.

Please tell us more about her community."

It's backward, apparently.

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Shes doing it to prove that you can do what you like in Britain and get away with it and what better place than our legal system

What exactly is she getting away with? "
Shes using our legal system to get around the fact that shes stateless although her mother is Bangladeshi so under their laws she can claim that as her citizenship but of course she wants British citizenship, our legal system can't be seen to be prejudiced so it will eventually let her claim citizenship, a 15 year old is regarded as a child in GB so a child doesn't know right from wrong, she followed her dutch boyfriend to Syria and had 3 children who died not sure why they died but pretty sad i guess nevertheless she went to Syria had 3 children was influenced by whoever IS and then IS became defunct i guess so wants to come back to good old blighty when will this country wise up to the fact that we've become an easy touch for the foreign community to drain our resources, i guess never

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Just a question. For either side really.. What has she actually done? Was it the same as oh let's say.. Gerry Adams or Martin mcguiness?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"when will this country wise up to the fact that we've become an easy touch for the foreign community to drain our resources, i guess never

She’s from Tower Hamlets.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman over a year ago

Tamworth

"Just a question. For either side really.. What has she actually done? Was it the same as oh let's say.. Gerry Adams or Martin mcguiness? "

Realistically, they’d love to lose their British citizenship.

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By *heekyDemandCouple over a year ago

Leicester

If I gave up citizenship in 1980 to move Yugoslavia, then in 1992 it no longer exists, I don't get a free pass to get citizenship back in the UK. Also, if when there I was chummy with the USSR and the KGB it's unlikely it would be granted.

Islamic State declared themselves as a such, she joined them, Begum is a citizen of a failed state. She doesn't get a free pass and needs to do a lot more to convince people.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"She has dumped the dark cloak for tshirts and a baseball cap. Does this demonstrate reform ?

Dumped the dark cloak?

Where do you live man?!

My God Tom you are vile sometimes.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just a question. For either side really.. What has she actually done? Was it the same as oh let's say.. Gerry Adams or Martin mcguiness? "

She is dark-skinned, Muslim, female and was a groomed child once swept up with the attention once. Therefore she's pure evil and deserves no understanding, no level of kindness nor any of our celebrated British justice.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Good filter thread again! X

A very good one, this. pt

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

pt"

Is he extreme right wing or left wing?

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By *.T.Man over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm playing Devils Advocate here but bear with me...

Do we know what she was told, what she was sold, the life she was promised if she turned her back on her family, friends and country?

Was she promised a safe place where crime was dealt with harshly so crimes didn't happen, where as a woman she would be helping to build a great Islamic State free of Western tyranny?

Was she sold tales of opression by the US, UK, countries that were stealing natural resources for their own end and denying the local population a share of the profit?

Was she sold a dream of a better life?

is it any different to Eastern European / Asian women being told that they are needed for new work opportunities and being promised a new life in the UK, then find themselves trafficked to work in brothels?

I agree that at 15 she would have been old enough to make an informed decision. What I do contest is that she made a decision based on false information.

If we cannot offer the chance for rehabilitation where possible, there is no hope for society. Yes, some people cannot be reformed or should be forgiven.

I feel her losing her citizenship was politically motivated as a show of strength. There are far more dangerous people in circulation that the law hasn't caught up with

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Wasn’t she like 15 or something?

Yep, but makes no difference, there was a campaign to let 16 year old vote, and if 16 is old enough to vote then she sure as hell knew what she was getting in to at 15."

This is one of the twenty or so strong reasons *not* to give 16 yo's the vote.

Before they turn 16 they are 15, 14, 13 and 12! (the term of a parliament).

As was Shamima Begum before she turned 15 - she was 14, 13 etc.

People are either too stupid to see this (and the concept of grooming - how it controls your mind over time), or they really don't care.

We did actually used to hang disadvantaged children in the UK once. I thought we were supposed to have progressed.

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By *heekyDemandCouple over a year ago

Leicester

She has, or had, Bangladeshi citizenship through her Father. Her Father is still in Bangladesh.

Instead of waiting to get back to the UK from a camp, surely she could go to Bangladesh unless they also said no for the same reason. She wasn't made stateless by losing UK citizenship, she had every chance to to there even if only to continue to apply to come back to the UK in a safe location amongst family.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

Is he extreme right wing or left wing? "

That's a bit extreme Tom, constantly asking me that dumb question after you saw another poster do it.

(It's because I use the term 'hard right' sometimes. The other guy doesn't believe the term 'hard right' is a real term and thinks I made it up. This is where we live folks.)

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

Is he extreme right wing or left wing?

That's a bit extreme Tom, constantly asking me that dumb question after you saw another poster do it.

(It's because I use the term 'hard right' sometimes. The other guy doesn't believe the term 'hard right' is a real term and thinks I made it up. This is where we live folks.)

pt"

So it's hard right...?

And Tom thought that was a term used in motor racing

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By *hillenCouple over a year ago

Borehamwood

When she left she wasn't far off the age where some political parties want the voting age to be.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"When she left she wasn't far off the age where some political parties want the voting age to be. "

The journalist who interviewed her at length over an extended period has his own views on this

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By *ipvanwinkieMan over a year ago

out of town!

Stripping her of citizenship was red meat for a baying mob and wasn’t meant to be a corrective process - rather it was retributive justice. No more, no less.

There’s similar gesture politics going on re. Rwanda - it’s designed to appeal to some, but most certainly not all.

Oh and yeah, great filter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The girls an idiot and she knows it.

Theres no good answer here and no right answer.

It hurts my head

There is a very clear 'right' i.e. legal answer.

And what does idiocy have to do with citizenship?"

My perspective is more moral than legal. I have no expertise in law and wouldn't pretend to. As a lay person I understand Law is about justice which is about restoring balance, rather than facilitating revenge.

I see strong arguments both ways for bringing her back and for not doing so. If she was groomed as a child then she was failed by the British system when she was a citizen and thats a very important part of the timeline in my eyes.

Yes I'm probably wrong to say shes an idiot and she knows it. Fatigue and pain brought out my inner twat, can't disagree with you there. Sorry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She’s a terrorist. Bye Felicia

She comes back here she’ll be housed and fed for free, probably squeeze out a few kids too on our dollar. We treat terrorises better then our own

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The decision to revoke her citizenship was not based on national security but winning votes. Judging by the comments on this thread the Tories know what they’re doing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The decision to revoke her citizenship was not based on national security but winning votes. Judging by the comments on this thread the Tories know what they’re doing.

Consenting to sex and voting, along with joining the sea cadets has no correlation what so ever with being groomed by older men.

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By *sername already in useMan over a year ago

manchester

It’s all fun and games until ISIS get bummed and you find yourself living in a refugee camp in Syria.

I wonder if she’d want to come “home” had ISIS faired better?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

You , on the other hand are not 15 and yet want to kill someone by asphyxiating them with their own body weight and call them an 'insipid excuse for a human being'

Having womens' dead bodies hanging in public as a warning ..... not my idea of civilisation. In fact .... sounds very Talibany or Gilleadian.

Scratch the surface.......

"
I on the other hand WAS 15 once and I never ever thought about joining a terrorist organisation let alone travelling multiple countries to do so.

So my dear, I'd say the same if it was a male so don't start pontificating to me about hanging a lady... I have the utmost respect for ladies however, I don't have respect for terrorism, acts of terrorism or people who are sympathetic to their cause female or MALE!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The decision to revoke her citizenship was not based on national security but winning votes. Judging by the comments on this thread the Tories know what they’re doing.

Consenting to sex and voting, along with joining the sea cadets has no correlation what so ever with being groomed by older men.

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she knew what she was doing... end of!.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

There is more to this than meets the eye. Mark Tom's words

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"There is more to this than meets the eye. Mark Tom's words"

Such as?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is more to this than meets the eye. Mark Tom's words"

Who's Mark?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is more to this than meets the eye. Mark Tom's words

Who's Mark?"

Part of a trio, the Mark, Tom and Travis show.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"The decision to revoke her citizenship was not based on national security but winning votes. Judging by the comments on this thread the Tories know what they’re doing.

Consenting to sex and voting, along with joining the sea cadets has no correlation what so ever with being groomed by older men.

she knew what she was doing... end of!."

He said end of!

now not another word! Pmsl!!! X

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

You , on the other hand are not 15 and yet want to kill someone by asphyxiating them with their own body weight and call them an 'insipid excuse for a human being'

Having womens' dead bodies hanging in public as a warning ..... not my idea of civilisation. In fact .... sounds very Talibany or Gilleadian.

Scratch the surface.......

I on the other hand WAS 15 once and I never ever thought about joining a terrorist organisation let alone travelling multiple countries to do so.

I'll look over "her lifeless body swinging" and just say this.

You are saying here that you yourself were 15 once but you were never tempted to join a terrorist cult.

This is an utterly-pathetic need for equivalence.

Some utterly-spoilt people cannot abide the idea that others can be in a worse place than themselves actually can be. It's central to the whole anti 'woke' experience.

Some dark days I swear I feel almost as badly towards people like you as you do towards people like 'them'.

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By *aissez-faireMan over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo

It’s quite ironic that many of the men (not all) on this thread refute the argument that she was groomed by men, or at least dismiss it as inconsequential.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"It’s quite ironic that many of the men (not all) on this thread refute the argument that she was groomed by men, or at least dismiss it as inconsequential.

I think the word is telling, rather than ironic.

Red flags everywhere.

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By *eedsmale36Man over a year ago

Leeds

"Let her go in Masked Singer. If she wins she can stay"

What would her character be ?

Suicide vest

Singing live for you tonight and going out with a bang it’s……..suicide vest

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"It’s quite ironic that many of the men (not all) on this thread refute the argument that she was groomed by men, or at least dismiss it as inconsequential.

Was she groomed by men then? Is that a fact or just social media noise? Either way... What's the difference is she was groomed by male, female or trans?

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"It’s quite ironic that many of the men (not all) on this thread refute the argument that she was groomed by men, or at least dismiss it as inconsequential.

Was she groomed by men then? Is that a fact or just social media noise? Either way... What's the difference is she was groomed by male, female or trans? "

You don't know much about extremism in this area do you? 'Boys' and their promises (in the romantic sense) are part of the problem. And yes, I support understanding even young men with their lies and their violence and their hate.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

You , on the other hand are not 15 and yet want to kill someone by asphyxiating them with their own body weight and call them an 'insipid excuse for a human being'

Having womens' dead bodies hanging in public as a warning ..... not my idea of civilisation. In fact .... sounds very Talibany or Gilleadian.

Scratch the surface.......

I on the other hand WAS 15 once and I never ever thought about joining a terrorist organisation let alone travelling multiple countries to do so.

What did she actually do? There's a lot of bile being spewed but I'm not convinced people know what she actually did that was so repugnant she needs to have whatever fate.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

And seeing as 'obvious' is a meaningless word in 2023, extreme Islam (if I'm allowed to use the word extreme and not just say Islam) is fundamentally patriarchal!!!

Women don't get to call shots on anything- they are told even how to raise their kids.

Do the young woman and kids they target run to that ideal? Of course not! Are they groomed to that ideal? Of course not!

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"What did she actually do? There's a lot of bile being spewed but I'm not convinced people know what she actually did that was so repugnant she needs to have whatever fate. "

I've been told above that if you support a terrorist you are a terrorist! She joined an extremist terrorist group then eventually learnt to regret it, and some people can't forgive that. According to a Daily Telegraph story she was part of recruitment, but she denies that and I don't believe it either - ISIL is too male-led from what I've seen. Either way she's had a hard hard time and has clearly changed. pt

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"And seeing as 'obvious' is a meaningless word in 2023, extreme Islam (if I'm allowed to use the word extreme and not just say Islam) is fundamentally patriarchal!!!

Women don't get to call shots on anything- they are told even how to raise their kids.

Do the young woman and kids they target run to that ideal? Of course not! Are they groomed to that ideal? Of course not!

pt "

Is that extreme as in hard right or extreme as in hard extreme ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We should are a stand and show the world there's no place on the planet for terrorist scum and show her lifeless body swinging!. Harsh but true.

I usually end by saying peace and love but she can fuck off!.

You , on the other hand are not 15 and yet want to kill someone by asphyxiating them with their own body weight and call them an 'insipid excuse for a human being'

Having womens' dead bodies hanging in public as a warning ..... not my idea of civilisation. In fact .... sounds very Talibany or Gilleadian.

Scratch the surface.......

I on the other hand WAS 15 once and I never ever thought about joining a terrorist organisation let alone travelling multiple countries to do so.

I'll look over "her lifeless body swinging" and just say this.

You are saying here that you yourself were 15 once but you were never tempted to join a terrorist cult.

This is an utterly-pathetic need for equivalence.

Some utterly-spoilt people cannot abide the idea that others can be in a worse place than themselves actually can be. It's central to the whole anti 'woke' experience.

Some dark days I swear I feel almost as badly towards people like you as you do towards people like 'them'.

pt "
well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just a question. For either side really.. What has she actually done? Was it the same as oh let's say.. Gerry Adams or Martin mcguiness?

Realistically, they’d love to lose their British citizenship. "

Except mcguinness he’s exactly were he deserves to be….

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

pt"

You make no sense… but that’s ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

Is he extreme right wing or left wing? "

I dont even think he knows the answer to his own thoughts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

Is he extreme right wing or left wing?

That's a bit extreme Tom, constantly asking me that dumb question after you saw another poster do it.

(It's because I use the term 'hard right' sometimes. The other guy doesn't believe the term 'hard right' is a real term and thinks I made it up. This is where we live folks.)

pt"

Are you saying I’m hard right? Or someone else.

So because I’ve served in the forces makes me one it the other?

I’ve served peace keeping tours to Bosnia and Kosovo, I’ve also served in Northern Ireland where a left wing government first out troops on the streets. I’ve served in Afghanistan where again a labour government sent me.

What exactly have I done that says I’m

Left or right leaning?

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

Is he extreme right wing or left wing?

That's a bit extreme Tom, constantly asking me that dumb question after you saw another poster do it.

(It's because I use the term 'hard right' sometimes. The other guy doesn't believe the term 'hard right' is a real term and thinks I made it up. This is where we live folks.)

Are you saying I’m hard right? Or someone else.

So because I’ve served in the forces makes me one it the other?

What exactly have I done that says I’m

Left or right leaning? "

Who has been talking about you? Tom is a total wind-up merchant, you are a fool to feed off him.

And pull back with the armed service pump, you're doing them a huge disservice.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"And seeing as 'obvious' is a meaningless word in 2023, extreme Islam (if I'm allowed to use the word extreme and not just say Islam) is fundamentally patriarchal!!!

Women don't get to call shots on anything- they are told even how to raise their kids.

Do the young woman and kids they target run to that ideal? Of course not! Are they groomed to that ideal? Of course not!

Is that extreme as in hard right or extreme as in hard extreme ?"

Not sure its relevant in this context Tom, it's religion and thats a different paradigm to political leanings isn't it?

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

You make no sense… but that’s ok "

It's just a question! There was a guy on here who would reason everything in this 'area' (extremism etc) with the fact he worked abroad and had seen all kinds of people. As that always seemed to be his *only* rationale it never even impressed me one bit.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

I haven't mentioned left or right once in this thread btw. I only do it when I see the need for it, why would it be otherwise? They are not cancellable terms, even when you add 'hard' or 'far' to them.

What is behind this, is that a few naturally right wing people on Fab (which is fine) don't like the idea that policies typically called 'hard right' in the media (like I don't know, Trumps idea to arm every teacher in the States) are not just simply standard right wing ones. So they go after the term. But it's the way it is. These are terms used every day. I hope we all know by now that _ersiantug didn't 'make up' the term 'hard right'!

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

Is she back yet?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

Is he extreme right wing or left wing?

That's a bit extreme Tom, constantly asking me that dumb question after you saw another poster do it.

(It's because I use the term 'hard right' sometimes. The other guy doesn't believe the term 'hard right' is a real term and thinks I made it up. This is where we live folks.)

Are you saying I’m hard right? Or someone else.

So because I’ve served in the forces makes me one it the other?

What exactly have I done that says I’m

Left or right leaning?

Who has been talking about you? Tom is a total wind-up merchant, you are a fool to feed off him.

And pull back with the armed service pump, you're doing them a huge disservice.

pt"

Pipe down and I’m

Called Tom so it was an easy mistake to make on who your pathetic attempts at wind ups are aimed at.

And I’ll say what I like if that’s ok with you comrade.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

You make no sense… but that’s ok

pt"

I’m

Not here to impress you or even want to. And I’m

Not that guy. I thought I’d written a level headed opinion not full or rage or hate. But I guess you’re entitled to your opinion as much as anyone. I’ve not said my experience out does anyone’s opinion? I think you’re either very triggered by anyone’s response different to yours.

Maybe you take things to personally when nothing was aimed at you…

Ah well

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

You make no sense… but that’s ok

I’m

Not here to impress you or even want to. And I’m

Maybe you take things to personally when nothing was aimed at you…

Ah well "

Ok I'll take your word on that then (I did just start to think you were, as I recall he eventually detailed his service too... which you must know they don't like.)

Bad luck being called Tom in these threads though!

It's Tom who actually insists he is Tom.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And if they don’t want the headache of taking in a radicalised western culture hating person. Then why should anyone?

15 is an age where most teenagers no right from wrong. We have all been stupid and made ill informed decisions. But we still no right from wrong.

Long jail term and a lifelong watch list or stays were she is

Is my choice.

This is just my personal opinion of course, but having worked in these countries and areas and come across fanatical people

I have opinions based on experience. And I hope my response doesn’t come across as to harsh. This topic was always going to be extremely divisive. And everyone looks at it from different angles.

But rule of law should always be the first course of action. We class ourselves as a cultured and reserved nation. And should remember this as our principles of action

Are you think guy who always talks about having experience with extremists because you've worked abroad?

You make no sense… but that’s ok

I’m

Not here to impress you or even want to. And I’m

Maybe you take things to personally when nothing was aimed at you…

Ah well

Ok I'll take your word on that then (I did just start to think you were, as I recall he eventually detailed his service too... which you must know they don't like.)

Bad luck being called Tom in these threads though!

It's Tom who actually insists he is Tom.

pt"

Haha ok. Well I’m sorry if things got heated. But I’m not sorry about the name

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

" when will this country wise up to the fact that we've become an easy touch for the foreign community to drain our resources, i guess never

You think it's 'the foreign community' (whatever that is) draining our resources? That's laughably ignorant. But the ones actually draining our resources will keep on telling you that.

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By *eterandJaneadventuresCouple over a year ago

Sutton

There is a term Gillick competent , that applies here, she stole a passport to leave the country , she must have known stealing was wrong .

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

I on the other hand WAS 15 once and I never ever thought about joining a terrorist organisation let alone travelling multiple countries to do so.

You weren't groomed to do so.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"There is a term Gillick competent , that applies here, she stole a passport to leave the country , she must have known stealing was wrong . "

It doesn't apply here at all.

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By *yeSureMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"The appeal roles on. Should she be reinstalled as an English Citizen.

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

She made her own bed and she can lie in it."

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off."

Its an option

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off.

Its an option "

Some of the comments are less then caring.

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By *aizyWoman over a year ago

west midlands

"I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off.

Its an option "

Anyone got any ideas on how many left to go? I can't be bothered to work it out myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off.

Its an option

Some of the comments are less then caring."

Its an interesting one.

On balance, I am on the 'she was groomed' side of the fence.

Where that leads, I really don't know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off.

Its an option

Anyone got any ideas on how many left to go? I can't be bothered to work it out myself."

It's not far off the magic number.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think its agaunst the rukes to deliberately fill a thread just to finish it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if we can get this one to 175 so it shuffles off.

Its an option

Anyone got any ideas on how many left to go? I can't be bothered to work it out myself.

It's not far off the magic number."

172.

I agree with the groomed and having had a friends daughter that age groomed for sex, i see no difference with calling it grooming for their perverted terrorist ideology

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By *aizyWoman over a year ago

west midlands

"I think its agaunst the rukes to deliberately fill a thread just to finish it.

Some of the comments on here though. I have to agree with you I think she was groomed, she should be bought back and tried here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think its agaunst the rukes to deliberately fill a thread just to finish it.

Some of the comments on here though. I have to agree with you I think she was groomed, she should be bought back and tried here."

Agree.

Also can't make a person stateless.

Nor say she should go to the country of her parents birth where she has no connection herself.

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By *oJo pornstarMan over a year ago

Liverpool

You can tell a lot about a person who supports the perpetrators but not the victim.

I worry about the victims of isis and fanatics. I couldn't give a shirt about begum, let her rot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Posting a hypothetical here…

A british born and raised person leaves their country and family and home to fight for a foreign army, yet then if they realise they don’t like it should have the right to call themselves British and return.

If this is what Shamima Begum did, how does it differ to British Israeli citizens who go to serve in the IDF and how come they reserve the right to return?

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