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"I'm white and would have no problem in a black audience being referred to as the white guy...that's what I am. The country is full of Liberal snowflakes..." Comments like this make the internet worthwhile  | |||
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"I'm white and would have no problem in a black audience being referred to as the white guy...that's what I am. The country is full of Liberal snowflakes..." Nope but quite a few ignorant people  | |||
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"Did she want to shag him? Oh, hang on, I'm confusing her for the not-yet-sacked Victoria Coren Mitchell. Thats' as Tom might say. "it's all over the: Have I got news for you". "What did she do? | |||
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"I have no real issue with Black being used as a descriptor for me where appropriate. I do find it interesting that he was the only guy through the entire show she mentioned by race. ‘Woman in the colourful top’ ‘guy further forward in the green shirt’. I feel she could’ve been more creative if she really wanted. The man online has said he was offended by it and that’s to be respected. But he also said it’s to do with the fact it only happened to him so I suppose he felt singled out. As an aside, Fiona isn’t slick. She has been caught out contributing to bullying Diane Abbott before and episode of QT. The woman who gets the most hate of any other MP. A Black woman that gets vile racist abuse all the time. That’s who she should apologise to. " Diane abbot the antisemitic one. That Diane Abbot? | |||
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"I have no real issue with Black being used as a descriptor for me where appropriate. I do find it interesting that he was the only guy through the entire show she mentioned by race. ‘Woman in the colourful top’ ‘guy further forward in the green shirt’. I feel she could’ve been more creative if she really wanted. The man online has said he was offended by it and that’s to be respected. But he also said it’s to do with the fact it only happened to him so I suppose he felt singled out. As an aside, Fiona isn’t slick. She has been caught out contributing to bullying Diane Abbott before and episode of QT. The woman who gets the most hate of any other MP. A Black woman that gets vile racist abuse all the time. That’s who she should apologise to. Diane abbot the antisemitic one. That Diane Abbot?" Tbh I am not aware of her being AS but if she is obviously that’s something she should be called out for. However, I don’t think racists deserve to experience racism. For example, David Baddiel has shown himself over years to be racist and in his book to have a terrible understanding of antiblackness and still be a perpetrator of it, but I think it’s abhorrent that he’s a victim of AS and stand in solidarity with him in his fight against it.  | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist "What it is for me is every time a Black person talks about literally anything to do with race, the most vim comes from people that aren’t Black. I find That shit wild | |||
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"I have no real issue with Black being used as a descriptor for me where appropriate. I do find it interesting that he was the only guy through the entire show she mentioned by race. ‘Woman in the colourful top’ ‘guy further forward in the green shirt’. I feel she could’ve been more creative if she really wanted. The man online has said he was offended by it and that’s to be respected. But he also said it’s to do with the fact it only happened to him so I suppose he felt singled out. As an aside, Fiona isn’t slick. She has been caught out contributing to bullying Diane Abbott before and episode of QT. The woman who gets the most hate of any other MP. A Black woman that gets vile racist abuse all the time. That’s who she should apologise to. Diane abbot the antisemitic one. That Diane Abbot? Tbh I am not aware of her being AS but if she is obviously that’s something she should be called out for. However, I don’t think racists deserve to experience racism. For example, David Baddiel has shown himself over years to be racist and in his book to have a terrible understanding of antiblackness and still be a perpetrator of it, but I think it’s abhorrent that he’s a victim of AS and stand in solidarity with him in his fight against it. "You didn't know she got her whip removed for being antisemitic . Seriously? | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist "A dictionary might help. Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc. Come on even the police use colour as an ID system. IC 1 IC 2 IC 3 IC 4 IC 5 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officers-criticised-for-using-offensive-code-for-black-people-a3480001.html What can we use?  | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
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"Did she want to shag him? Oh, hang on, I'm confusing her for the not-yet-sacked Victoria Coren Mitchell. Thats' as Tom might say. "it's all over the: Have I got news for you".
What did she do? "Victoria asked Carol, if she would shag Laurence Fox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Y_1jLw6k | |||
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"I have no real issue with Black being used as a descriptor for me where appropriate. I do find it interesting that he was the only guy through the entire show she mentioned by race. ‘Woman in the colourful top’ ‘guy further forward in the green shirt’. I feel she could’ve been more creative if she really wanted. The man online has said he was offended by it and that’s to be respected. But he also said it’s to do with the fact it only happened to him so I suppose he felt singled out. As an aside, Fiona isn’t slick. She has been caught out contributing to bullying Diane Abbott before and episode of QT. The woman who gets the most hate of any other MP. A Black woman that gets vile racist abuse all the time. That’s who she should apologise to. Diane abbot the antisemitic one. That Diane Abbot? Tbh I am not aware of her being AS but if she is obviously that’s something she should be called out for. However, I don’t think racists deserve to experience racism. For example, David Baddiel has shown himself over years to be racist and in his book to have a terrible understanding of antiblackness and still be a perpetrator of it, but I think it’s abhorrent that he’s a victim of AS and stand in solidarity with him in his fight against it.
You didn't know she got her whip removed for being antisemitic .
Seriously?"I have just googled it. And I obviously despise AS. I’m vocal in this forum when it comes to challenging AS. Anyway, Diane being AS doesn’t mean that Fiona targeting her, contributing to the hatred she gets which is documented as the worst in politics, and is most definitely rooted in misogynoir, is any less appalling? | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officers-criticised-for-using-offensive-code-for-black-people-a3480001.html
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What does IC 1 mean in this context?"ICU is stalker i know that much  | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
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IC 5
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officers-criticised-for-using-offensive-code-for-black-people-a3480001.html
What can we use?
What does IC 1 mean in this context?"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes IC1 White – North European IC2 White – South European IC3 Black IC4 Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians) IC5 Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian IC6 Arab or North African IC9 Unknown | |||
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"Did she want to shag him? Oh, hang on, I'm confusing her for the not-yet-sacked Victoria Coren Mitchell. Thats' as Tom might say. "it's all over the: Have I got news for you".
What did she do?
Victoria asked Carol, if she would shag Laurence Fox?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Y_1jLw6k"To be fair to Coren Mitchell she does have magnificent breasts. So I guess that makes it all ok then  | |||
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Do you have anything useful to contribute at all here? "tbf its a forum of half naked people the only use anyone has is genitals | |||
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"Did she want to shag him? Oh, hang on, I'm confusing her for the not-yet-sacked Victoria Coren Mitchell. Thats' as Tom might say. "it's all over the: Have I got news for you".
What did she do?
Victoria asked Carol, if she would shag Laurence Fox?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Y_1jLw6k"Satire on a satirical news show. Imagine | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next!" Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. " she stayed behind to personally applogize to him from what i read as for is she a racist or not ive no clue | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. " He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... | |||
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"I'm white and would have no problem in a black audience being referred to as the white guy...that's what I am. The country is full of Liberal snowflakes..." I received a right roasting in The Times for saying the same thing in their readers comments. | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. " Yes he’s been tweeting about it. | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story..." Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days" We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, but the phrase as been around for decades anyway. | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days" racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names  | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news" Was he black? | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names "Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. " Offended by what? Being black and described as black... | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now "Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ? | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news" Complete non story for me. Not even news worthy, but these days some people love having something to feel all offended by, it gives them a purpose in life. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? " No, so the whole audience had no idea what was going on. Classic. I'm sure she was just aiming for a good blooper. | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days" have to agree with your micro correctness, labelling has gone bonkers!! | |||
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"So should we ban the use of BBC (not the broadcaster) no one ever says it’s use is racism. " are you new to the lounge? | |||
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"She has a lovely bottom but let the cancelling commence " Yes, it is the cancel culture by the media, lets hope that her apology will be enough too | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ? "Vicky Derbyshire sincerely and very apologetically called Jeremy Hunt, Jezz Cunt while discussing the Tory leadership race live on air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYocVFUncys | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ?
Vicky Derbyshire sincerely and very apologetically called Jeremy Hunt, Jezz Cunt while discussing the Tory leadership race live on air
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYocVFUncys"Funny but not a microaggression | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news " . As who-me? Tom no-doubt already knows, everyone else in the audience was described by their dress, and per the guidelines of Question Time and the BBC. The answer given, was that his clothes were obscured. But the more salient answer is that Fiona Bruce is not quite David Dimbleby yet, who would have explained that he couldn't see the gentleman's clothing and would have just "no, yes" rambled through it till he could. He had a real talent for his job that men, and was not too bad at keeping track and asking questions too. pt | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ?
Vicky Derbyshire sincerely and very apologetically called Jeremy Hunt, Jezz Cunt while discussing the Tory leadership race live on air
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYocVFUncys
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? " Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. | |||
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"She has a lovely bottom but let the cancelling commence " . How can cancelling happen? Or do you mean she will be fired? This is such a non-story, but it will be picked up by every Tom 'a narry in the land. pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. " No one is calling her racist. At least not on this thread. It's pretty clumsy though, and I personally would prefer people to find other ways to describe me in a group. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. " It is always tiered seating tho | |||
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But, equally, if you're going round referring to your colleagues at work or audience members when you're giving a presentation by their skin colour, I'd probably stop. It's annoying and there are other ways to describe people, which is the point. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. " . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
IC 1
IC 2
IC 3
IC 4
IC 5
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officers-criticised-for-using-offensive-code-for-black-people-a3480001.html
What can we use?
What does IC 1 mean in this context?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes
IC1 White – North European
IC2 White – South European
IC3 Black
IC4 Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5 Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6 Arab or North African
IC9 Unknown"Well done but Police usually use their sixth sense... IC dead people | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officers-criticised-for-using-offensive-code-for-black-people-a3480001.html
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What does IC 1 mean in this context?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes
IC1 White – North European
IC2 White – South European
IC3 Black
IC4 Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5 Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6 Arab or North African
IC9 Unknown
Well done but Police usually use their sixth sense...
IC dead people"So white people are IC1 ? Is that racist ? | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt " Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. " . So you agree the guy deserved his apology? That's good to hear. pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt " I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. . So you agree the guy deserved his apology? That's good to hear. pt" Only if he was offended. Do not be offended on another's behalf | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense " I wasn't taking it as evidence of how to behave either - given it's none provable and a totally different era | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-officers-criticised-for-using-offensive-code-for-black-people-a3480001.html
What can we use?
What does IC 1 mean in this context?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes
IC1 White – North European
IC2 White – South European
IC3 Black
IC4 Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5 Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6 Arab or North African
IC9 Unknown
Well done but Police usually use their sixth sense...
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So white people are IC1 ?
Is that racist ?"Nope. But I suspect there's a difference between how police officers refer to people (I guess often at pace) and language a TV presenter should use. Do you refer to any southern European friends as "IC2s", as I suggest it's quite odd if you do. (But also read the article, Tom, as the judge had some concern about how the police used those categorisations). | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ? "Dwarf tossing (Sorry little people throwing) | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense " . Then the BBC's Guidelines make zero sense! Except it's clearly done out of respect, and the intention not to objectify or single anyone out. Sometimes sense has to be sensed. PS. you know very little about Question Time audiences! It partly depends where the locality it's held in is I think. But I don't think I've ever seen one 90% white regardless of that. And surely you realise that Britain isn't 90-95% white? pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense " But the point is she would not use other physical attributes such as "overweight man" or "man with the big nose" to distinguish people, so she should not use skin colour either. It's not that hard. | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
What it is for me is every time a Black person talks about literally anything to do with race, the most vim comes from people that aren’t Black. I find That shit wild "Exactly This | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense . Then the BBC's Guidelines make zero sense! Except it's clearly done out of respect, and the intention not to objectify or single anyone out. Sometimes sense has to be sensed. PS. you know very little about Question Time audiences! It partly depends where the locality it's held in is I think. But I don't think I've ever seen one 90% white regardless of that. And surely you realise that Britain isn't 90-95% white? pt " About 78% white | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ?
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense But the point is she would not use other physical attributes such as "overweight man" or "man with the big nose" to distinguish people, so she should not use skin colour either. It's not that hard." Well you could argue that nose size and weight have been used as insults. Is it an insult to call a black person black or white person white,? | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. . So you agree the guy deserved his apology? That's good to hear. pt" No.it was another example of her arrogance and how she thinks every programme is about her.Only a matter of time before she said something. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. " To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt | |||
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"What's annoying is people put their own definition of the term racist
A dictionary might help.
Some people think racist is new word for sexist, ageist, classist etc.
Come on even the police use colour as an ID system.
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" PS. you know very little about Question Time audiences! It partly depends where the locality it's held in is I think. But I don't think I've ever seen one 90% white regardless of that. And surely you realise that Britain isn't 90-95% white? pt About 78% white" The last census suggests around an 82% white population, albeit with some areas of the country in the 90s and some, like where I live being one of the lower ends of the spectrum at 30.8% | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense . Then the BBC's Guidelines make zero sense! Except it's clearly done out of respect, and the intention not to objectify or single anyone out. Sometimes sense has to be sensed. PS. you know very little about Question Time audiences! It partly depends where the locality it's held in is I think. But I don't think I've ever seen one 90% white regardless of that. And surely you realise that Britain isn't 90-95% white? pt " Ok 80%. Point being, no point in calling out someone by a feature to identify them, when that feature is shared by the majority in the crowd | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. . So you agree the guy deserved his apology? That's good to hear. pt No.it was another example of her arrogance and how she thinks every programme is about her.Only a matter of time before she said something. " So how come Erroll is a 'great guy' but not the man on Question Time? They both had their own idea of what they wanted and stuck to it. Or do their opinions have to be in line with yours perhaps? pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt" Do you have any idea how racist that comment is? | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll." Presumably this little segment was broadcast for the nation? It's curious because it sounds completely at odds with the format of the Antiques Roadshow. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt" You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. . So you agree the guy deserved his apology? That's good to hear. pt No.it was another example of her arrogance and how she thinks every programme is about her.Only a matter of time before she said something." There were reports that at the BBC her nickname was Lady MacBeth | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. Presumably this little segment was broadcast for the nation? It's curious because it sounds completely at odds with the format of the Antiques Roadshow. " Not you again .. | |||
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" You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black." Omg is gammon fr a racial slur? Some people will be offended by anything. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense . Then the BBC's Guidelines make zero sense! Except it's clearly done out of respect, and the intention not to objectify or single anyone out. Sometimes sense has to be sensed. PS. you know very little about Question Time audiences! It partly depends where the locality it's held in is I think. But I don't think I've ever seen one 90% white regardless of that. And surely you realise that Britain isn't 90-95% white? pt Ok 80%. Point being, no point in calling out someone by a feature to identify them, when that feature is shared by the majority in the crowd " Thank you for your thrilling contribution. The rules are fortunately a little more nuanced that that! Dress is all you need. The mic moves left, the mic moves right- until it has it right. Dimbleby got it right probably a hundred times. pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense But the point is she would not use other physical attributes such as "overweight man" or "man with the big nose" to distinguish people, so she should not use skin colour either. It's not that hard. Well you could argue that nose size and weight have been used as insults. Is it an insult to call a black person black or white person white,?" Context, Tom. It's always context, and I think it was unnecessary in this context. Incidentally, I can think of many times someone's skin colour has been used as an insult against them, though maybe you'll have experienced it less, assuming you are a white man. | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. Presumably this little segment was broadcast for the nation? It's curious because it sounds completely at odds with the format of the Antiques Roadshow. " Interesting isn't it,that people who weren't there and didn't witness something,know more about it than someone who was.The segment was re-shot after directors intervention,but what the fuck do I know,I was only there with Eroll. | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. Presumably this little segment was broadcast for the nation? It's curious because it sounds completely at odds with the format of the Antiques Roadshow. Interesting isn't it,that people who weren't there and didn't witness something,know more about it than someone who was.The segment was re-shot after directors intervention,but what the fuck do I know,I was only there with Eroll." Indeed. What year was this, out of interest? | |||
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"I had a customer years ago called Eroll,a big black guy who was black and big,that's what he called himself.He collected all things to do with black history.Coon bait,"Ebb 'n Flo"badges,manillas,shackles,"Sambo" children's books etc.He took some of his collection to the Antiques Roadshow,Bruce pestered him and pestered him to call his collection racist and be offended by it.In the end he had to tell her it's his history not hers and he will think of it how he see's fit.Cut the stuck up cow down to size that day.Good lad Erroll. Presumably this little segment was broadcast for the nation? It's curious because it sounds completely at odds with the format of the Antiques Roadshow. Not you again .." Unfortunately so.... | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. " Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense But the point is she would not use other physical attributes such as "overweight man" or "man with the big nose" to distinguish people, so she should not use skin colour either. It's not that hard. Well you could argue that nose size and weight have been used as insults. Is it an insult to call a black person black or white person white,? Context, Tom. It's always context, and I think it was unnecessary in this context. Incidentally, I can think of many times someone's skin colour has been used as an insult against them, though maybe you'll have experienced it less, assuming you are a white man." Rule 1 Never assume | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense But the point is she would not use other physical attributes such as "overweight man" or "man with the big nose" to distinguish people, so she should not use skin colour either. It's not that hard. Well you could argue that nose size and weight have been used as insults. Is it an insult to call a black person black or white person white,? Context, Tom. It's always context, and I think it was unnecessary in this context. Incidentally, I can think of many times someone's skin colour has been used as an insult against them, though maybe you'll have experienced it less, assuming you are a white man. Rule 1 Never assume" Very true. Who knows who hides behind that profile, eh Beryl? | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt Well considering the audience would prob be 90-95% white, why would he have done it for white people? That would make zero sense But the point is she would not use other physical attributes such as "overweight man" or "man with the big nose" to distinguish people, so she should not use skin colour either. It's not that hard. Well you could argue that nose size and weight have been used as insults. Is it an insult to call a black person black or white person white,? Context, Tom. It's always context, and I think it was unnecessary in this context. Incidentally, I can think of many times someone's skin colour has been used as an insult against them, though maybe you'll have experienced it less, assuming you are a white man. Rule 1 Never assume" Based on your only public photo I’d assume you are Black. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt " 'gammon' is 100% linked to skin colour. For you to suggest otherwise is shameful. Youve been reported for racially abusive language | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black." Is gammon meant to be some racial insult? The joys of being white, that racial shit is like water off a ducks back for us
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt " I'm well aware what gammon means,I was talking about an offensive term in the context of being offensive/taking offense. | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person holds up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt Do you have any idea how racist that comment is? " It fascinates me how you seem to associate certain values with skin colour. pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person holds up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt Do you have any idea how racist that comment is? It fascinates me how you seem to associate certain values with skin colour. pt" Theres only one person here putting skin colour to tje forefront and it's you. Disgusting behaviour as always | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt 'gammon' is 100% linked to skin colour. For you to suggest otherwise is shameful. Youve been reported for racially abusive language " Nonsense, it's a political thing. But well done on wasting mods' time. pt | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt I'm well aware what gammon means,I was talking about an offensive term in the context of being offensive/taking offense. " At least you do know what it means. It would be the last word I'd use if I saw any association with skin colour that's for sure. As for offence I'd rather talk to you about Led Zeppelin or something - anything but politics. But life alas is full of politics. pt | |||
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" Is gammon meant to be some racial insult? The joys of being white, that racial shit is like water off a ducks back for us
"5 points if you can work out why that is... As it happens, I'm really not easily offended, and haven't suffered as much overt racism as others, but I don't think people should have to shake racial slurs off as "water off a duck's back". Which racial insults should black and brown people ignore by that rationale? Just to know where the line is. | |||
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" Is gammon meant to be some racial insult? The joys of being white, that racial shit is like water off a ducks back for us
5 points if you can work out why that is...
As it happens, I'm really not easily offended, and haven't suffered as much overt racism as others, but I don't think people should have to shake racial slurs off as "water off a duck's back". Which racial insults should black and brown people ignore by that rationale? Just to know where the line is."Who said they should? It’s just awesome the gammons can. One more thing I don’t have to worry about Everyone’s free to get as upset and offended as they like in their day to day. I say crack on. No ham off my gammon | |||
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" Is gammon meant to be some racial insult? The joys of being white, that racial shit is like water off a ducks back for us
5 points if you can work out why that is...
As it happens, I'm really not easily offended, and haven't suffered as much overt racism as others, but I don't think people should have to shake racial slurs off as "water off a duck's back". Which racial insults should black and brown people ignore by that rationale? Just to know where the line is.
Who said they should?
It’s just awesome the gammons can. One more thing I don’t have to worry about
Everyone’s free to get as upset and offended as they like in their day to day. I say crack on. No ham off my gammon "No, I was just curious as it was inferred that other people weren't as able/happy to brush "racial shit" off as easily as white people (assuming one classifies "gammon" as a racial insult, which I don't necessarily). But I'm sure you can understand why non-white perspectives might be different and maybe less blase. | |||
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" You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Omg is gammon fr a racial slur? Some people will be offended by anything. "Yes they do,including anyone who thought Bruce said owt wrong . I've been called a gammon many times ,I just laugh at them . I have my views and opinions ,and I'm so thick skinned I'm not offended by anything ,and most definitely not words spoken. This is a complete non story ,not even worthy of air time . | |||
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt I'm well aware what gammon means,I was talking about an offensive term in the context of being offensive/taking offense. At least you do know what it means. It would be the last word I'd use if I saw any association with skin colour that's for sure. As for offence I'd rather talk to you about Led Zeppelin or something - anything but politics. But life alas is full of politics. pt" People love to talk about politics though. It's mainly used to fill gaps in conversations, but what they don't understand is that not everyone hs the same opinion and suddenly you have bad blood. Just avoid it. You're not participating anyway, you're just a stubborn man with strong opinions. | |||
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"I have no clue what gammon means. Never used it beyond gammon and and chips. But whenever I do see it in these fora it is always used to insult someone. Which is not helpful. It seems to be used a little like woke. Just to devalue someone's opinions by insulting them but not insulting them. Strange. " According to google, it means someone is so upset about something that their face turns red and that looks similar to gammon steak (or something) | |||
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"I have no clue what gammon means. Never used it beyond gammon and and chips. But whenever I do see it in these fora it is always used to insult someone. Which is not helpful. It seems to be used a little like woke. Just to devalue someone's opinions by insulting them but not insulting them. Strange. According to google, it means someone is so upset about something that their face turns red and that looks similar to gammon steak (or something)" and it is usually associated with highly strung right winged Middle / Upper class white men (so it's a divisive pejorative aimed at a specific section of society ) | |||
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"I have no clue what gammon means. Never used it beyond gammon and and chips. But whenever I do see it in these fora it is always used to insult someone. Which is not helpful. It seems to be used a little like woke. Just to devalue someone's opinions by insulting them but not insulting them. Strange. According to google, it means someone is so upset about something that their face turns red and that looks similar to gammon steak (or something)" Ahhh ok thanks. I won't say it makes sense because I'd rather just use words people understand but seems to be another made up word that people have then chosen to turn into an insult. But good work. Would be dull if we were all the same. Has fiona been interviewed by the met yet.? | |||
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"I have no clue what gammon means. Never used it beyond gammon and and chips. But whenever I do see it in these fora it is always used to insult someone. Which is not helpful. It seems to be used a little like woke. Just to devalue someone's opinions by insulting them but not insulting them. Strange. According to google, it means someone is so upset about something that their face turns red and that looks similar to gammon steak (or something) and it is usually associated with highly strung right winged Middle / Upper class white men (so it's a divisive pejorative aimed at a specific section of society ) " Wow. It seems to have class, beliefs, sex and race all in one the word. Very important when talking in byte size chunks and trying to offend people. | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ?
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"Fiona Bruce is criticized for chairing Question Time in which a studio panel, mainly politicians, are asked questions by a studio audience. She pointed to a black man and said words to the affect of, the black guy, yes you Sir, you are next. Is this offensive? If the audience was all black apart from one white guy would it be offensive to say. The white guy, yes you Sir, You are next. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news Was he black? Yes , he was black. I read her account which said that she normally mentions clothing but his was obscured from her view by the person in front of him and so only seeing his face she used ' the black guy' ...... Which clearly is NOT racist. . But it's not about clear-cut racism. It's about doing better. Bruce broke the code of conduct. Think of what Dimbleby always did when he couldn't see - I never once heard him mention anyone's skin colour, but he was very often site-obscured. What did Dumbleby know? If you don't dot it for white people, you don't do it for none-white people. Nobody's job is on the line here, it's just an interesting thing. We need to be able to muse on this without going to extremes I think. But we just live in this very age of extremes! pt I agree with your second to last line but not much else. What code of conduct did she break and how did she break it. Please be specific. To highlight them by their clothes not their skin colour! I've just said this, as have the BBC! This is a gammon scandal more than it is a story. It's the same old shit over and over. Some people just have to be offended by the idea than someone else just might be offended. Most of the time they are not. But it just never stops the Gammons sizzling with anger. If a black person hold up his or her hand some people go fucking insane. pt You don't think it offensive to use the term "gammon"? Or is it ok because they are the correct enemy of the moment?pot,kettle,(no pun intended)black. Gammon is about someone's reactionary and often hard-right 'views', not someone's skin colour, or desire for eventual equality surrounding such. I'm not afraid on offending someone if it has to come to it, no. I'd rather not though in life to be honest. Life is hard and dramatic enough on it's own. pt I'm well aware what gammon means,I was talking about an offensive term in the context of being offensive/taking offense. At least you do know what it means. It would be the last word I'd use if I saw any association with skin colour that's for sure. As for offence I'd rather talk to you about Led Zeppelin or something - anything but politics. But life alas is full of politics. pt People love to talk about politics though. It's mainly used to fill gaps in conversations, but what they don't understand is that not everyone hs the same opinion and suddenly you have bad blood. Just avoid it. You're not participating anyway, you're just a stubborn man with strong opinions. " I'm not participating? There is something a bit cancelly about that to be frank. Don't my opinions exist? 'Stubbornness' suggests my view is out of line and clearly needs changing, but my view here is not a 'strong' view, it's a common one (this is barely a story imo, it's just the right wing press on 'auto scandal'). Commonly-held like most my views (though I admit there are some exceptions). I'm just prepared to argue with some very stubborn people! I'm looking again at the 'gammon' thing (as I've been reported I read, great - I hope it's not chained) but even if the word is connotative to white compared to other colours, it's about typical demographic political views, not a skin colour itself. Skin colour is used all the time in this way in sociology and politics for stats and demographics etc. If it is connotative to white though I'll probably stop using it, as such an attitude to life can actually be any colour really. Like terms such as 'cancelling' and the original 'woke' it's most-definitely a thing. I only really started using it when I got sick of reading the term 'snowflake' on Fab all the time. I rarely use any such words without meaningful examples and a solid rationale. pt | |||
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On a more serious note, it’s all about balance, and whilst I am against genuine racism, we must also be mindful that we don’t stray into the area of compelled speech.
Context and intent are key, but this ever growing need to feel outrage ultimately leads to intellectual fascism. Just look at the madness that occurred at the recent Edinburgh Fringe as an example.
Humans are fallible, especially in the heat of the moment, and whilst Bruce’s choice of descriptor was unfortunate, I don’t for a minute believe anyone can use that as evidence of some deeply ingrained underlying racism.
Is Britain perfect, far from it, but it is one of the most tolerant countries on the planet. Can things improve further, yes, but pursuing extreme identity driven partisan positions will not bring about that improvement, but instead further reinforce polarisation. Micro sensitivity divides not educates, not least because people generally have good intentions.
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ?
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us " The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt" Are you sure those are the ONLY people to make this 'a thing'? If you really do believe that, you should go and read some more. | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us " Anyone that hates Black people after things like this needs therapy. | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us " It doesn’t, it just makes you sigh and think WTF happened to Great Britain. All the important things like health and education are fucked, so the focus on shit like this | |||
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"The challenge here is to focus on only how that man felt without other influences leaking in. Anyway, she apologised and it’s all resolved. Next! Fair point. Does anyone know if the guy in question was offended? Or is everyone else who is?. He said he was "taken aback" and has referred to it as a 'micro aggression', but has also said she has spoken to him and that he's "not looking for a witch hunt", which I think is pretty much the end of it. I'd not seen much coverage or calls for any further action, which is why I was surprised by the thread. Perhaps the OP's losing his touch to sniff out a story... Have to love these modern day social media created made-up terms; 'micro aggression'. Everything has to have some stupid name these days racism is also a made up word that didn’t exist when some of the most racist things in history occurred. People are so annoying giving things names
Ooh i think youre being micro aggressive there. Careful now
Can someone define or provide an example of a micro aggression PLEASE ?
Dwarf tossing
(Sorry little people throwing)
I used to do so much dwarf tossing and they all had a happy ending.
Were they mixed in with a salad?
You are supposed to be outraged! Outraged I tell you...... Yeah mini cucumbers , button mushrooms and cherry tomatoes."I am outraged. I am trying to have a decent conversation about dwarves and dwarf tossing, tossing salads and veg etc but lots of people in this thread are trying to turn it into some racist debate. I think they need to go on Question Time to air their views. | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt Are you sure those are the ONLY people to make this 'a thing'? If you really do believe that, you should go and read some more. " . But it's become a 'big thing' now, that really is my point. I'm talking about the people who a) had an original issue (their business no one else's) and b) the hard-right media who made it really big so everyone talks about it. Loads of people are talking about it now, obviously. And we all have to listen to this distressing 'the world has gone mad' bullshit' over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. God knows what this endless shit must feel like if you are actually black, because I tell you it makes me go crosseyed. I'd do anything to end this bullshit for everyone's sanity, even the ever-scandalised hard-blowing natterers who can never just shut up and actually think about something for 2 seconds. pt | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt Are you sure those are the ONLY people to make this 'a thing'? If you really do believe that, you should go and read some more. . But it's become a 'big thing' now, that really is my point. I'm talking about the people who a) had an original issue (their business no one else's) and b) the hard-right media who made it really big so everyone talks about it. Loads of people are talking about it now, obviously. And we all have to listen to this distressing 'the world has gone mad' bullshit' over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. God knows what this endless shit must feel like if you are actually black, because I tell you it makes me go crosseyed. I'd do anything to end this bullshit for everyone's sanity, even the ever-scandalised hard-blowing natterers who can never just shut up and actually think about something for 2 seconds. pt" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt Are you sure those are the ONLY people to make this 'a thing'? If you really do believe that, you should go and read some more. . But it's become a 'big thing' now, that really is my point. I'm talking about the people who a) had an original issue (their business no one else's) and b) the hard-right media who made it really big so everyone talks about it. Loads of people are talking about it now, obviously. And we all have to listen to this distressing 'the world has gone mad' bullshit' over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. God knows what this endless shit must feel like if you are actually black, because I tell you it makes me go crosseyed. I'd do anything to end this bullshit for everyone's sanity, even the ever-scandalised hard-blowing natterers who can never just shut up and actually think about something for 2 seconds. pt" Jesus youre obsessed with left and right arent you. Wtf is "hard right" exactly? Let me guess, its whatever you dont agree with | |||
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? " . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt | |||
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt " Lots of words. Who are the hard right media? Name it. Educate. I have no clue who hard right or hard left media are. | |||
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt Lots of words. Who are the hard right media? Name it. Educate. I have no clue who hard right or hard left media are. " . Dude I just lost everything I wrote then cut and pasting a mistake in my post. (if anyone has it feel free to quote it!). And I wrote quite a lot. I don't think I could right it again just for a couple of men to auto piss on it. Sorry. pt | |||
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt Lots of words. Who are the hard right media? Name it. Educate. I have no clue who hard right or hard left media are. . Dude I just lost everything I wrote then cut and pasting a mistake in my post. (if anyone has it feel free to quote it!). And I wrote quite a lot. I don't think I could right it again just for a couple of men to auto piss on it. Sorry. pt" Women mightn't piss on it no? They all think the same as you do they? | |||
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt Lots of words. Who are the hard right media? Name it. Educate. I have no clue who hard right or hard left media are. . Dude I just lost everything I wrote then cut and pasting a mistake in my post. (if anyone has it feel free to quote it!). And I wrote quite a lot. I don't think I could right it again just for a couple of men to auto piss on it. Sorry. pt Women mightn't piss on it no? They all think the same as you do they? " . Who am I talking to? You and the other fellow
Do you ever let up trying to catch people out? Maybe you should just listen to people instead?
Look, all the 'hard right' is, is hardline right wing politics! It's really not that hard! Hard Right is not as far to the political Right as 'Far Right', though it can certainly flirt with that at times (like the support for Trump suspending American democracy to sort American and it's 'woke problem' out). Some people use CAPS for terms like these, some don't btw.
You'd think I'd said something mystical!
The hard right is a term used in politics every single day. It's never had more press. Literally. Breibart most famously in the US and GBNews a lot of the time over here. And any number of shock jockery and conspiracy lunacy 'pushed' to us by internet technology working from our personalised interest profiles, built from information sold by companies like Facebook and Google etc.
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt Lots of words. Who are the hard right media? Name it. Educate. I have no clue who hard right or hard left media are. . Dude I just lost everything I wrote then cut and pasting a mistake in my post. (if anyone has it feel free to quote it!). And I wrote quite a lot. I don't think I could right it again just for a couple of men to auto piss on it. Sorry. pt Women mightn't piss on it no? They all think the same as you do they? . Who am I talking to? You and the other fellow
Do you ever let up trying to catch people out? Maybe you should just listen to people instead?
Look, all the 'hard right' is, is hardline right wing politics! It's really not that hard! Hard Right is not as far to the political Right as 'Far Right', though it can certainly flirt with that at times (like the support for Trump suspending American democracy to sort American and it's 'woke problem' out). Some people use CAPS for terms like these, some don't btw.
You'd think I'd said something mystical!
The hard right is a term used in politics every single day. It's never had more press. Literally. Breibart most famously in the US and GBNews a lot of the time over here. And any number of shock jockery and conspiracy lunacy 'pushed' to us by internet technology working from our personalised interest profiles, built from information sold by companies like Facebook and Google etc.
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"Should she be cancelled? Nah. But is it offensive to be referred to be your skin colour? Yes. It’s not hard to say “man in the blue shirt” or whatever else. Why is it offensive? It’s hard to explain unless you’ve lived many years where your skin colour has been used to define you when it’s inappropriate." *by your skin colour | |||
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"I'm white and would have no problem in a black audience being referred to as the white guy...that's what I am. The country is full of Liberal snowflakes..." That’s because “the white guy” doesn’t carry negative connotations in England. It’s not really the same kind of comparison. | |||
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"Should she be cancelled? Nah. But is it offensive to be referred to be your skin colour? Yes. It’s not hard to say “man in the blue shirt” or whatever else. Why is it offensive? It’s hard to explain unless you’ve lived many years where your skin colour has been used to define you when it’s inappropriate. *by your skin colour " Don't worry, there'll be a white guy along in a minute to tell why it's ok and shouldn't bother you. | |||
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" Hard right media? What is the hard right media? . In a nutshell, media that calls 'middle of the left' people like me 'woke', 'lefties' and - most typically of all 'hard left'. Yeah I know. But it's not circular though. One side is bullshitting for the sake of cash and gun politics, while the political Left these days just trips over its own feet too much. We don't see communism around much these days, but we do see a lot of the hard right. Certain outlets even back Trumps intention to suspend democracy for the sake of bringing 'sanity' back to this 'mad' woke world - all that kind of populist and ultimately self-interested reactionary nonsense. It never actually offers anything, it just endlessly criticises others and ultimately helps empower dangerous people in our most important jobs. For the hard right press, the latest woke scandal is always more important than a) the reality, and b) basic democratic principles. It's why the hard left and constantly cancelling other people, telling them what they can and can't say and do, and generally being massive hypocrites without even noticing they are doing it. It's based on ego and a sense of innate populist superiority, like championing wars fought on nationalist pride and a superior 'common sense', and having an utterly untenable sense of entitlement to pure 'freedom'. It can be called anarchism in many respects, closer though is hard right. pt Lots of words. Who are the hard right media? Name it. Educate. I have no clue who hard right or hard left media are. . Dude I just lost everything I wrote then cut and pasting a mistake in my post. (if anyone has it feel free to quote it!). And I wrote quite a lot. I don't think I could right it again just for a couple of men to auto piss on it. Sorry. pt Women mightn't piss on it no? They all think the same as you do they? . Who am I talking to? You and the other fellow
Do you ever let up trying to catch people out? Maybe you should just listen to people instead?
Look, all the 'hard right' is, is hardline right wing politics! It's really not that hard! Hard Right is not as far to the political Right as 'Far Right', though it can certainly flirt with that at times (like the support for Trump suspending American democracy to sort American and it's 'woke problem' out). Some people use CAPS for terms like these, some don't btw.
You'd think I'd said something mystical!
The hard right is a term used in politics every single day. It's never had more press. Literally. Breibart most famously in the US and GBNews a lot of the time over here. And any number of shock jockery and conspiracy lunacy 'pushed' to us by internet technology working from our personalised interest profiles, built from information sold by companies like Facebook and Google etc.
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You always refer to hard right media. It's easy to throw out aphorisms. But you presumably have an idea of who those hard right media outlets are. So far it seems to be limited to GB news. I think you credit that spec on the arse of all media with way too much influence
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"The BBC right of centre? Is this the plot of a comedy sketch or just the effects of LSD? " Yes and I explained why, it tends to copy the politics of the time. A lot of people, especially the older hats on GBNews and Andrew Neil too especially, are still resentful of the 80's where they had to 'suffer' a couple of Left-leaning DDGs in a row (who basically made sure it was more balanced than usual). Since then the DDG's have pretty much all been centrist or centre right. As has the editorial! But it does tend to reflect the politics of the day. It doesn't really challenge politicians, it reports on them and lets them lead the way. LSD? Try to be less childish please. The crazy thing behind GBNews was that it was a 'right wing' antidote to something that didn't exist - a Left wing BBC. And that fallacy is on top of the fact that a deliberately-biased news station like Fox News is just a bad idea anyway frankly. Just because the BBC can be a bit 'woke' on occasion does not make it left wing! I know plenty of right wing people who don't masturbate over thoughts of the 1970's. I'm a left wing man but I have to say that right wing people are not always reactionary sheeple. Also I watched the BBC once some years ago over one day where everyone I saw apart from a younger Paul Mason was right wing. Everyone from Adrian (Thatcher can do no wrong) Chiles on his Business show to Nick Robinson to people like Titchmarsh etc... I counted about 15. Bad day? Maybe. But the idea that everyone on the BBC is a lefty is and was horseshit. I don't even consider orbital centralists like Lineker to be on the left. In fact it often feels that the political dialogue these days is largely about polarising the 'orbital' Centre (which is a centre that goes both left and right) against the modern hard Right, with the Centre-Right to Soft-Right in the middle area, and natural old-fashioned 'middle of the left' leftwingers like me and millions of others being left out in the cold, and often even labelled as extreme in some way. And yes, the BBC reflects this with it's own politics. Plenty of 'words' to take the piss about there guys btw. The BBC helped to shift the UK's political barometer to the right over many years of extremely weak-minded and politically back-seated reporting. That's not what I would call Left Wing. pt | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt Are you sure those are the ONLY people to make this 'a thing'? If you really do believe that, you should go and read some more. " Anyone "offended " by Fiona's comment need to get a life . It wasn't racist ,it wasn't offensive, just an opportunity for the "constantly offended "to jump on their moral ,high horse and scream "Racism ". | |||
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"I'd rather someone say black man than coloured. She stated a fact, I cant see what the problem is,the only problem I see is when people make a thing out of small things like this it pushes the people that were neutral to start to hate us The people who made this a 'thing' were a) the man involved (who simply wanted to know why he was the exception to the rule, and the BBC had to wriggle out as Bruce simply didn't handle it like she was supposed to a la Dimbleby about 8,000 times and b) the ever-scandalised 'You can't say anything anymore!!' class. They make these things the stories they become, I just wish people could see this. Most of these stories imo (even the Spanish Football captain) are whipped up to the frenzy they often become because of the scandalised backlashers. This proliferation is an entirely-deliberate move via the digital tabloid media to make money and promote hard right politics, yet is also an entirely-unwitting move by closely-controlled herds of ever-angry people who ultimately whip *themselves* up into a frenzy thinking it's all part of The Great Ongoing Attack on their own potential freedoms. pt Are you sure those are the ONLY people to make this 'a thing'? If you really do believe that, you should go and read some more. Anyone "offended " by Fiona's comment need to get a life . It wasn't racist ,it wasn't offensive, just an opportunity for the "constantly offended "to jump on their moral ,high horse and scream "Racism "." Not given up on the site then? | |||
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"This is a complete non story . The only reason this is in the news is because some PC , lefty ,Liberal thought they must complain. " | |||
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"This is a complete non story . The only reason this is in the news is because some PC , lefty ,Liberal thought they must complain. " There’s money to be made at outrage | |||
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