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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
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Because the snowflakes don't like actually like to think about their own behaviour and think demonising certain words takes away its power and renders it meaningless. |
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend. "
Because other groups hijacked it and added it to their cause,if you look at the definition of the word woke it now cover's several different causes,
Unfortunately |
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend.
Because other groups hijacked it and added it to their cause,if you look at the definition of the word woke it now cover's several different causes,
Unfortunately "
Sorry wokeism |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I recently asked this very same question. My brilliant friend who shares the most insightful answers to questions that make my mind boggle, at times, shared this article: https://www.naacpldf.org/woke-black-bad/
A very, in depth, and thorough explanation of how woke went from “black” to “bad”. |
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So called culture wars waged by those in charge to deflect from 13 years of utter failure ?? and guess what ...it works ?? just look at the daily fail and the scum !! all largely imagined threats to ....and we livein the heart of plymlands so called club/pub scene and we see the so called " Culture" they so desperately want to preserve because it's under attack from ...xx  |
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend. "
Didnt realise woke was only to be used in the context of racism. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Because most people have had enough of it been forced on them.
Being forced to not be racist? 
As a Black person when people be using the word Woke I’m like ‘now why am I in it?’ "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I saw it used as an extreme opposite to fascism."
but I remember when it was about being aware of and against racism. I remember that when I was in school. I know I’m young etc. now it’s been ruined.
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"I saw it used as an extreme opposite to fascism. but I remember when it was about being aware of and against racism. I remember that when I was in school. I know I’m young etc. now it’s been ruined. "
Your getting old OP - “things ain’t what they used to be” 
Pull up your pipe and slippers and come sit with the has beens. |
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"I saw it used as an extreme opposite to fascism. but I remember when it was about being aware of and against racism. I remember that when I was in school. I know I’m young etc. now it’s been ruined. "
Yup typical of the right |
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"I saw it used as an extreme opposite to fascism. but I remember when it was about being aware of and against racism. I remember that when I was in school. I know I’m young etc. now it’s been ruined. "
Unfortunately many a good meaning cause has been diluted by those who like to jump on the passing train.
Like I said I think there is a difference between "woke" and "wokeism"
But anything that promotes racial equality can't be bad. |
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It's the current right-wing strategy. Slag off and demonise people and ideas they don't like, while offering no actual solutions that could become government policy that would make people's lives better.
Take the Republican party in America for example. They only care about two things: banning abortion and cutting taxes for the rich. They don't even really care about the former in a lot of cases. It's just a way of getting the evangelical Christian voting block on their side.
Look at Trumpists at his rallies. I have seen so many interviews with actual supporters who are just racist bigots who hate gay people and think the most serious problem in the world is transgender people. Yet they are fine with Putin invading Ukraine.
What interest would these people have in a woke agenda? None. Can they say they want to be openly racist? Well, it's not a good look so instead they label everything they don't like as "woke" and never actually degine what they mean by it. But what they meanis anything that says they shouldn't be bigots.
Sadly it has been a very successful strategy. |
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I think like all language, the meaning (to some) has evolved over time? Maybe? Dunno.
If woke means having a social conscience and promoting equality then it’s hard for any reasonable person to criticise it.
It’s the nonsense like removing the word “women” from official documentation and relabelling them as “chest feeders” or the like that gets some peoples heckles up.
At my old job I understand that now that people are mandated to include their pronouns in their email footer. To many of the ‘old school’ it’s kind of an alien concept.
Sure, make it *optional* AND respect the pronouns if someone *chooses* to list them, that’s their prerogative.
But it’s things like *mandating* people to do it that people will label as ‘woke’. |
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Pointless thread.
No one who wants to preserve the dictionary definition of the word will listen anyway.
Word uses naturally adapt over time.
I wonder if you felt the same way when "sick" was reimagined. |
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"I think like all language, the meaning (to some) has evolved over time? Maybe? Dunno.
If woke means having a social conscience and promoting equality then it’s hard for any reasonable person to criticise it.
It’s the nonsense like removing the word “women” from official documentation and relabelling them as “chest feeders” or the like that gets some peoples heckles up.
At my old job I understand that now that people are mandated to include their pronouns in their email footer. To many of the ‘old school’ it’s kind of an alien concept.
Sure, make it *optional* AND respect the pronouns if someone *chooses* to list them, that’s their prerogative.
But it’s things like *mandating* people to do it that people will label as ‘woke’. "
Chest feeders - today I learnt a new phrase from Dan the Dictionary Man  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Words and their meanings evolve. "
Indeed. Nobody owns a word or its definition - sick, bad, wicked etc all used to mean not good. Now they mean the opposite in many cases.
Bess x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I wonder if you felt the same way when "sick" was reimagined.
I used to feel sick when I used the word sick. Now I feel sick when I use the word sick.
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I thought sick meant good.  |
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"Because it suit politicians and politics , simple as that ."
Politicians... Haha you give them way too much credit. Try 8 year olds in the playground.
Gay used to mean gay. Now it means gay. Rainbow used to mean pretty colours. Now it means something different. Things change. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Because it suit politicians and politics , simple as that .
Politicians... Haha you give them way too much credit. Try 8 year olds in the playground.
Gay used to mean gay. Now it means gay. Rainbow used to mean pretty colours. Now it means something different. Things change. "
Pretty sure rainbow still means rainbow.  |
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I wonder if you felt the same way when "sick" was reimagined.
I used to feel sick when I used the word sick. Now I feel sick when I use the word sick.
I thought sick meant good. "
Me too - I have no idea what the new definitions of all these words mean. All I know is that if I use the definitions I use then I am wrong.
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"I think like all language, the meaning (to some) has evolved over time? Maybe? Dunno.
If woke means having a social conscience and promoting equality then it’s hard for any reasonable person to criticise it.
It’s the nonsense like removing the word “women” from official documentation and relabelling them as “chest feeders” or the like that gets some peoples heckles up.
At my old job I understand that now that people are mandated to include their pronouns in their email footer. To many of the ‘old school’ it’s kind of an alien concept.
Sure, make it *optional* AND respect the pronouns if someone *chooses* to list them, that’s their prerogative.
But it’s things like *mandating* people to do it that people will label as ‘woke’. "
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend. "
Because it worked with 'political correctness'. Anyone who would now be called 'woke' would a few years ago have been called 'politically correct' - poison the term and you poison people's perceptions towards any person or argument that falls under it. |
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By *unchalMan
over a year ago
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend. "
What are you on about? I have no idea what you mean. I mean that nicely, despite how it looks |
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend.
Because it worked with 'political correctness'. Anyone who would now be called 'woke' would a few years ago have been called 'politically correct' - poison the term and you poison people's perceptions towards any person or argument that falls under it. "
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend.
Because it worked with 'political correctness'. Anyone who would now be called 'woke' would a few years ago have been called 'politically correct' - poison the term and you poison people's perceptions towards any person or argument that falls under it. "
Don't worry. Clinton's cards will come up with a new slogan to put on the t shirts and prefix with a hashtag and keep us all on our toes and feeling guilty about. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Words and their meanings evolve.
Indeed. Nobody owns a word or its definition - sick, bad, wicked etc all used to mean not good. Now they mean the opposite in many cases.
Bess x"
I know you’re not serious. You’re smarter than this comparison. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Words and their meanings evolve. "
I agree but what appears to have happened here is not a natural evolution of a word. More a deliberate misuse of a term used in resistance.
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend. "
Because they didn't know what it ment but knew they didn't like the people using it this is not the first time this has happened and it won't be the last my favourite thing from it is watching brain dead talking heads ask to define what they been by "woke" its great seeing them verbally flounder |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend.
Because they didn't know what it ment but knew they didn't like the people using it this is not the first time this has happened and it won't be the last my favourite thing from it is watching brain dead talking heads ask to define what they been by "woke" its great seeing them verbally flounder "
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"I think like all language, the meaning (to some) has evolved over time? Maybe? Dunno.
If woke means having a social conscience and promoting equality then it’s hard for any reasonable person to criticise it.
It’s the nonsense like removing the word “women” from official documentation and relabelling them as “chest feeders” or the like that gets some peoples heckles up.
At my old job I understand that now that people are mandated to include their pronouns in their email footer. To many of the ‘old school’ it’s kind of an alien concept.
Sure, make it *optional* AND respect the pronouns if someone *chooses* to list them, that’s their prerogative.
But it’s things like *mandating* people to do it that people will label as ‘woke’.
A womb with a view"
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Because it’s now just become a weapon for people to use against people whose views they disagree with. Fuelled by those in power. Back in the day governments used to start wars to distract from problems at home. Now they seek to turn different elements of society against one another.  |
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"Because it’s now just become a weapon for people to use against people whose views they disagree with. Fuelled by those in power. Back in the day governments used to start wars to distract from problems at home. Now they seek to turn different elements of society against one another. "
Aren't they [the Govt] using culture wars to try and deflect from the absolute state of the economy and their woeful record on just about everything they've ever done? |
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"Because it’s now just become a weapon for people to use against people whose views they disagree with. Fuelled by those in power. Back in the day governments used to start wars to distract from problems at home. Now they seek to turn different elements of society against one another.
Aren't they [the Govt] using culture wars to try and deflect from the absolute state of the economy and their woeful record on just about everything they've ever done? "
100% they are |
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"Because it’s now just become a weapon for people to use against people whose views they disagree with. Fuelled by those in power. Back in the day governments used to start wars to distract from problems at home. Now they seek to turn different elements of society against one another.
Aren't they [the Govt] using culture wars to try and deflect from the absolute state of the economy and their woeful record on just about everything they've ever done? "
I thought it was Bread and Circuses?
To be fair it doesn't take much to distract people. Booting a ball around a field, boobs and a sandwich generally does the trick. |
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"Because it’s now just become a weapon for people to use against people whose views they disagree with. Fuelled by those in power. Back in the day governments used to start wars to distract from problems at home. Now they seek to turn different elements of society against one another.
Aren't they [the Govt] using culture wars to try and deflect from the absolute state of the economy and their woeful record on just about everything they've ever done?
I thought it was Bread and Circuses?
To be fair it doesn't take much to distract people. Booting a ball around a field, boobs and a sandwich generally does the trick."
Maybe Rish! should just have pulled a mooney and sent everyone to the bar for drinkies straightaway? Early finish on the last day. It'd have had as much positive impact, I'm sure. |
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"Why has the word Woke been taken and turned into a slur. It’s gone from genuinely caring about racism to I don’t even know what and that is the doing of I don’t know who and I don’t know why. But can’t they find another fucking word instead of taking words used in resistance by people?
Eurgh
Anyway one more get up until the weekend. "
Woker. |
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Not sorry to see the back of it. Horrible word apart from when it's used properly. We have plenty of words already. Maybe we can use our lovely language to actually say what we mean rather than secret society words. Like. Just be human to eachother. We don't need shorthand. |
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