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By *romleyM41Man
over a year ago
orpington / surrounding |
I saw they have arrested a 16 year old for doing it today as well…
Have to say, cutting down a tree that big at 16 years old is both fucking stupidly dangerous but equally quite impressive if he didn’t get hurt (not in a good way, the little shit should be locked up for life, but I wouldn’t want to tackle something like that and I’d like to think I’d know what I was doing) |
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There’s no way he’s done this by himself. Felling a tree that size, in the dark, during a storm at only 16 seems incredible. Plus how did he get there? Can’t imagine he just walked along with a chainsaw. |
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"I saw they have arrested a 16 year old for doing it today as well…
Have to say, cutting down a tree that big at 16 years old is both fucking stupidly dangerous but equally quite impressive if he didn’t get hurt (not in a good way, the little shit should be locked up for life, but I wouldn’t want to tackle something like that and I’d like to think I’d know what I was doing) "
Life is a bit strong for a tree? Much as I love trees! But yes hopefully he gets a punishment ! But probably won't! X |
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It is beyond belief but nothing surprises me anymore. We leave in a broken society, no values or morals, no respect for people, never mind for a tree and nature at large. Mindless vandalism destroying an irreplaceable and iconic feature that stood up for hundrends of years. No matter what the punishment, is not going to bring it back, just like the lives of people destroyed or taken by thugs and scum every day. What sort of world we live in is indeed beyond me. |
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By *romleyM41Man
over a year ago
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"I saw they have arrested a 16 year old for doing it today as well…
Have to say, cutting down a tree that big at 16 years old is both fucking stupidly dangerous but equally quite impressive if he didn’t get hurt (not in a good way, the little shit should be locked up for life, but I wouldn’t want to tackle something like that and I’d like to think I’d know what I was doing)
Life is a bit strong for a tree? Much as I love trees! But yes hopefully he gets a punishment ! But probably won't! X"
I’d be more concerned about his or her mental state that thinks they need to cut down a 300 year old tree, and where that may lead for the future for them, this will just be the start of their life of stupid decisions |
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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago
Whitley Bay |
I'm puzzled that a 16 year old could manage to get there to that remote place, carry a chainsaw all the way to the tree and then professionally fell it!?
Unfortunately at that age they would have little idea how significant the tree is for many.. Or at least no real empathy. A dare maybe? Fameseeker?
Very sad. |
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I do so hope in this case that the judge decides to name the little f*cker in the public interest so he gets to pay for what he's done forever. People have their lives & careers torn apart & pawed over by the media everyday now, guilty or innocent, cancelled & vilified. Yet I bet for damaging a national monument that brought joy to so many people, his name is protected for "legal reasons". It shouldn't be. Or some smart arse lawyer will invent him a condition to get him off with probation or a suspended sentence. |
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"Due to the size of the tree the proffession way it was cut cant imagin16 year olds done this on Jack Jones ."
I,d agree, looks like quite a consistent cut so would indicate a pretty big chainsaw as well.
Unfortunately at 16 he'll not get named, undoubtedly will just get some community service & be a legend on social media amongst his peers.
Its a true act of mindless vandalism. |
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His legal team however are suggesting a sort of desperate eco warrior approach:
When some things are gone you can never get them back!
Which is kind of true when you think about it. Clearly this is a deeply painful thing for a lot of people to see. It hurts on a primal level it seems to me.
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"I'm puzzled that a 16 year old could manage to get there to that remote place, carry a chainsaw all the way to the tree and then professionally fell it!?
Unfortunately at that age they would have little idea how significant the tree is for many.. Or at least no real empathy. A dare maybe? Fameseeker?
Very sad. "
It's not just a chain saw you need fule, chain oil, and it would need to be a big saw so not light to carry or operate.not saying you couldn't but its a neet cut looking at the picks so someone had experience. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When I heard 16 year old I thought either he’s taking the blame or he’s a young tree surgeon apprentice with access to equipment and a vehicle and just did this for a laugh
Does the kid even know the significance of that tree probably not. Bet he thinks the stones next to it are a farmers wall and not a Roman wall |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just don’t get the motivation
Seen some say disgruntled landowner annoyed at tourists
Only issue with that is Hadrian’s wall ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. There’s always going to be tourists walking the wall |
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"Due to the size of the tree the proffession way it was cut cant imagin16 year olds done this on Jack Jones ."
I disagree -
Looks to me like an amateur job - Mouth is too shallow, hinge not parallel and the back cut is low and not level.no wedge to control direction of the fell - Definitely not the work of a professional
Actually quite dangerous |
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"Will another one be planted in the same spot do you think? and it will be another 200 years before its grown and do these trees still exist"
Sycamores are common. The ones that drop the helicopter seeds.
There is an outside chance that there's enough left to re shoot too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"- interestingly, Nostradamus quatrain 247 predicted this…
What? some annoying little cunt chainsawing a tree down in September, possibly for fake internet points?...bit specific of a prediction?"
- read it. You might discover something. |
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"How sad what's happened to the beautiful over 200 year old tree! Just why?? X"
Yes it's senseless thuggery.
Bring back stocks on the village green.
Send the little twerp to school and no Internet for 2 years.
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"I hope they can clone it and replant it "
It will probably grow back from the stump, but the tree was hundreds of years old and this will take time.
Agree with the comments about there being more to this. It might just be a dare but it feels more like a publicity stunt or anti-eco terrorism. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"- interestingly, Nostradamus quatrain 247 predicted this…
What? some annoying little cunt chainsawing a tree down in September, possibly for fake internet points?...bit specific of a prediction?"
- there’s nothing ‘specific’ about his prediction - if you’re able to read between the lines somewhat and recognise certain trends and not take this as a wholly isolated (nothing ever is) incident but are able to tie it in with other happenings - it’ll make sense. If not, can’t help you  |
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"His legal team however are suggesting a sort of desperate eco warrior approach:
When some things are gone you can never get them back!
Which is kind of true when you think about it. Clearly this is a deeply painful thing for a lot of people to see. It hurts on a primal level it seems to me.
pt"
Eco warrior cutting down trees? Isn't that the opposite of what eco warriors want? Don't they want more trees not less? He needs to read more internet |
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"There’s no way he’s done this by himself. Felling a tree that size, in the dark, during a storm at only 16 seems incredible. Plus how did he get there? Can’t imagine he just walked along with a chainsaw. "
You make a good point or three.
Mum ; wheres Jonny?
Dad ; taken the chainsaw for a walk.
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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It's one tree, as sad as this is.
I can't help think that some of the people upset about this are also the same people that moan about the Just Stop Oil protests...
Where that tree stood was once a forest. Thousands of species of plants and animals (not just one individual) have been lost in this country.
Maybe this event will give people pause for thought and some perspective. |
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"How sad what's happened to the beautiful over 200 year old tree! Just why?? X
Yes it's senseless thuggery.
Bring back stocks on the village green.
Send the little twerp to school and no Internet for 2 years.
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I smiled at this because you used the word 'twerp'. Not heard that in years! |
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"His legal team however are suggesting a sort of desperate eco warrior approach:
pt"
are they? where have you seen that?
nothing about that has been mention in the local news to that part of the country! |
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By *ragsterMan
over a year ago
Blackburn |
I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
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Tree fellers lives matter too you know. |
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By *ragsterMan
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
Tree fellers lives matter too you know."
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Sycamores are common. The ones that drop the helicopter seeds.
There is an outside chance that there's enough left to re shoot too. "
God forbid. Sycamores are the s of the tree world. Don't encourage the bloody things. |
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By *oxesMan
over a year ago
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"Just don’t get the motivation
Seen some say disgruntled landowner annoyed at tourists
Only issue with that is Hadrian’s wall ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. There’s always going to be tourists walking the wall"
This theory is not too far fetched as one farmer destroyed a prehistoric barrow because it was land waisted from farming.
The down side to this theory is that the land is owned by the national trust. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a theory that some 16 year old has decided to boast at school that he did it to appear cool/edgy/dangerous or whatever. This has got out and he's been arrested, and he's now trying to explain that he made it all up.
(I appreciate I have made a genders assumption here which may prove to be wrong) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's one tree, as sad as this is.
I can't help think that some of the people upset about this are also the same people that moan about the Just Stop Oil protests...
Where that tree stood was once a forest. Thousands of species of plants and animals (not just one individual) have been lost in this country.
Maybe this event will give people pause for thought and some perspective."
Good point, how many trees are being destroyed in forests around the world like the Amazon forest for example. Probably many at least has old or older. But nobody gives a second thought. |
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"How sad what's happened to the beautiful over 200 year old tree! Just why?? X
Yes it's senseless thuggery.
Bring back stocks on the village green.
Send the little twerp to school and no Internet for 2 years.
I smiled at this because you used the word 'twerp'. Not heard that in years!"
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"I have a theory that some 16 year old has decided to boast at school that he did it to appear cool/edgy/dangerous or whatever. This has got out and he's been arrested, and he's now trying to explain that he made it all up.
(I appreciate I have made a genders assumption here which may prove to be wrong) "
Still he will get a fingering behind the bike sheds |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I actually stood by that tree seven years ago with my XL Bully. If we had of been there when that silly boy chopped it down we could have died. I hope he's feeling sorry for himself. By the way my XL Bully is very friendly and works in McDonald's. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
Tree fellers lives matter too you know."
There was an Englishman and Irishman and a scotsman.. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
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There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
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But if a catch 22 though. If we’re too hard on them when they’re young they could grow up to be a middle aged man who things physical abuse on a 16 year old is a reasonable punishment |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis."
Phew that's OK then. |
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By *ragsterMan
over a year ago
Blackburn |
"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
But if a catch 22 though. If we’re too hard on them when they’re young they could grow up to be a middle aged man who things physical abuse on a 16 year old is a reasonable punishment "
Yawn |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
Phew that's OK then.
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Simply wondering where the outrage threads were for those. Or threats of violence.
An example https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23317854.rochford-100-year-old-oak-tree-cut-bloor-homes/
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By *ragsterMan
over a year ago
Blackburn |
"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis."
2 wrongs come to mind.. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
Phew that's OK then.
Simply wondering where the outrage threads were for those. Or threats of violence.
An example https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23317854.rochford-100-year-old-oak-tree-cut-bloor-homes/
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All trees old or not so old being chopped down is sad! But this one being so famous was a total shock to me! That's why I started this thread! X |
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By *ragsterMan
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
But if a catch 22 though. If we’re too hard on them when they’re young they could grow up to be a middle aged man who things physical abuse on a 16 year old is a reasonable punishment "
So just tap him on the wrist and say,
"Please don't be a naughty boy again"...jeez...
Guaranteed that if all this is true, this act of vandalism, lack of morals and respect is not this 16 year olds 1st rodeo....and has never been told the error of his ways...and will be in and out of the courts/jails throughout his entire life, causing misery to 100s of other law abiding citizens. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
2 wrongs come to mind..
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But I'm not saying either are right, simply that the reaction to this case is so over the top. There are repeat offenders in the world of development, cutting down multiple trees, filling in ponds with rare animals in, destroying nesting birds/bats homes.
Yet these rarely make it beyond the local news, no death threats for them.
In fact climate protesters garner more hate than the people making money out of destroying our environment. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
2 wrongs come to mind..
But I'm not saying either are right, simply that the reaction to this case is so over the top. There are repeat offenders in the world of development, cutting down multiple trees, filling in ponds with rare animals in, destroying nesting birds/bats homes.
Yet these rarely make it beyond the local news, no death threats for them.
In fact climate protesters garner more hate than the people making money out of destroying our environment."
Deffo not over the top at all! X |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
2 wrongs come to mind..
But I'm not saying either are right, simply that the reaction to this case is so over the top. There are repeat offenders in the world of development, cutting down multiple trees, filling in ponds with rare animals in, destroying nesting birds/bats homes.
Yet these rarely make it beyond the local news, no death threats for them.
In fact climate protesters garner more hate than the people making money out of destroying our environment.
Deffo not over the top at all! X
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Death threats, talk of lifetime retribution, not over the top? |
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I'm sure some apologist will be along soon claiming he's suffering from something with a label to excuse his behaviour.
Hundreds of thousands spent on therapy and stuck in an expensive infective institute that just reinforce bad behaviour by standing by and let them do whatever they want as we have created a system where grown ups aren't allowed to tell kid's NO you can't do that.
There's no deterrent to prevent bad behaviour from happening zero consequences for bad behaviour.
Now I'm sure someone will be along shortly telling me that this is an appalling attitude and we can't punish children who are bad .
My children knew that if they crossed the line then severe sanctions would be enforced without violence or abuse.
But hey some people consider telling a kid off is abuse so isn't it any suprise that this sort of thing happens. |
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By *ragsterMan
over a year ago
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
2 wrongs come to mind..
But I'm not saying either are right, simply that the reaction to this case is so over the top. There are repeat offenders in the world of development, cutting down multiple trees, filling in ponds with rare animals in, destroying nesting birds/bats homes.
Yet these rarely make it beyond the local news, no death threats for them.
In fact climate protesters garner more hate than the people making money out of destroying our environment."
Corrupt governments in bed with loads of huge developers...should all be lined up against a wall...
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By *entonMan
over a year ago
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I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
2 wrongs come to mind..
But I'm not saying either are right, simply that the reaction to this case is so over the top. There are repeat offenders in the world of development, cutting down multiple trees, filling in ponds with rare animals in, destroying nesting birds/bats homes.
Yet these rarely make it beyond the local news, no death threats for them.
In fact climate protesters garner more hate than the people making money out of destroying our environment.
Deffo not over the top at all! X
Death threats, talk of lifetime retribution, not over the top?"
I'm referring to my original posting of the sadness for this tree! I don't any which way condone any violence! Connected to this incidence or any other! I don't even belive in physical punishment at all! X |
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"I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste. "
There seem to be a few in the know, thinking he may either be supertreeman... Or he had some assistance.. Or maybe was nothing to do with it... Still im sure all the spy cams dotted everywhere will solve it. |
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"I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste. "
If you've got any mates who are butchers there's quite a pool of knife handlers who are available |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
But if a catch 22 though. If we’re too hard on them when they’re young they could grow up to be a middle aged man who things physical abuse on a 16 year old is a reasonable punishment
So just tap him on the wrist and say,
"Please don't be a naughty boy again"...jeez...
Guaranteed that if all this is true, this act of vandalism, lack of morals and respect is not this 16 year olds 1st rodeo....and has never been told the error of his ways...and will be in and out of the courts/jails throughout his entire life, causing misery to 100s of other law abiding citizens."
I would imagine there’s probably a middle ground. I don’t think you’ll need to polish your pitchfork for this one.
It was terrible what he’s done but let’s not advocate for physical abuse on a teenager |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
But if a catch 22 though. If we’re too hard on them when they’re young they could grow up to be a middle aged man who things physical abuse on a 16 year old is a reasonable punishment "
Physical abuse/punishment of course that is not acceptable. However such an act has to be punished and made an example of to deter others. There should also be reprocussions for parents too if relevant. Too many of them abdicate their responsibilities these days or expect others like for example schools to take on their role. They need to be accountable for the way they bring up their kids and we all see how some of them behave daily. On the other hand there are some great young people as well as parents of course and we can't tar them all with the same brush. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm sure some apologist will be along soon claiming he's suffering from something with a label to excuse his behaviour.
Hundreds of thousands spent on therapy and stuck in an expensive infective institute that just reinforce bad behaviour by standing by and let them do whatever they want as we have created a system where grown ups aren't allowed to tell kid's NO you can't do that.
There's no deterrent to prevent bad behaviour from happening zero consequences for bad behaviour.
Now I'm sure someone will be along shortly telling me that this is an appalling attitude and we can't punish children who are bad .
My children knew that if they crossed the line then severe sanctions would be enforced without violence or abuse.
But hey some people consider telling a kid off is abuse so isn't it any suprise that this sort of thing happens."
Yep...totally agree.
How dare these scrotes never ever be told that what they are doing is just wrong... they never feel any pain for there actions...and these untouchable kids turn into untouchable adults.
Lock up n throw away the key...therefore we are only upsetting one person...
Let him roam the streets he/she just brings misery to 100s/1000s to an area..
No brainer....and if he/she is thick enough to commit another crime when they're released then just throw them straight back in but for a lot longer..
I'm just getting my tin hat ready as some do-gooder/lawyer who milks the system will see some good in this kid.. |
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over a year ago
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"I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste.
There seem to be a few in the know, thinking he may either be supertreeman... Or he had some assistance.. Or maybe was nothing to do with it... Still im sure all the spy cams dotted everywhere will solve it. "
I've sent the BBC pics showing the markings to a couple of very experienced colleagues and they all say same thing that they find it hard to believe a 16yr old lad did that, certainly on his own.
Like you say the truth will come out. |
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No one considers telling a kid off is abuse so they?
When I see most people palpably *not* telling off kids its normally down to utter laziness, and that negligence is often by people who moan most about them too (ie as well as just by lax parents) - too few want to even get involved with kids these day. I've heard grown men talk of essentially letting kids take pool balls from a nice pub then moan about 'parents' after. And of course everyone can moan.
I agree that this kid could be boasting, it doesn't look like a kid's work. But as people have pointed out too, it could be.
Little can be gained going after children or society when tragedies like this happen imo, we'll just have to wait to find out 'why'?
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Yes, it's sad, but there are far worse things happening at the hands of our youth IE the young girl stabbed to death the other day by a 17yo lad. So maybe we need a bit of perspective. |
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"I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste.
There seem to be a few in the know, thinking he may either be supertreeman... Or he had some assistance.. Or maybe was nothing to do with it... Still im sure all the spy cams dotted everywhere will solve it.
I've sent the BBC pics showing the markings to a couple of very experienced colleagues and they all say same thing that they find it hard to believe a 16yr old lad did that, certainly on his own.
Like you say the truth will come out. "
Hmmmm.... I think you're on to something here. Not knowing anything about chopping trees down, like most, we'd just never see it. But there are markings on the trunk where to cut. Would a 16yr old do that??? In a rainstorm at night??? Course anything is possible, but, you're making a valid point here. |
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"Yes, it's sad, but there are far worse things happening at the hands of our youth IE the young girl stabbed to death the other day by a 17yo lad. So maybe we need a bit of perspective."
That is very true and awful. But its not youth crime top trumps. |
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"I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste.
There seem to be a few in the know, thinking he may either be supertreeman... Or he had some assistance.. Or maybe was nothing to do with it... Still im sure all the spy cams dotted everywhere will solve it.
I've sent the BBC pics showing the markings to a couple of very experienced colleagues and they all say same thing that they find it hard to believe a 16yr old lad did that, certainly on his own.
Like you say the truth will come out.
Hmmmm.... I think you're on to something here. Not knowing anything about chopping trees down, like most, we'd just never see it. But there are markings on the trunk where to cut. Would a 16yr old do that??? In a rainstorm at night??? Course anything is possible, but, you're making a valid point here. "
You've got me pondering too now. I'm not sure what to think. |
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"Yes, it's sad, but there are far worse things happening at the hands of our youth IE the young girl stabbed to death the other day by a 17yo lad. So maybe we need a bit of perspective.
That is very true and awful. But its not youth crime top trumps. "
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"I've worked in the timber industry since I was 21 and therefore I just happen to know a little bit about felling trees.
I've just seen pictures of the sadly felled tree on the BBC and I will gladly offer that 16yr old a job. I am serious! That boy has got some SERIOUS talent.
There are not many highly experienced colleagues of mine anywhere in the world who could have done such a professional job with just a hand-wielded chainsaw. Plus his markings out on the trunk where to cut are very skillfully done too.
Yes this boy needs to be shown the error of his ways, we all agree on that, but talent like that with such skill should not go to waste.
There seem to be a few in the know, thinking he may either be supertreeman... Or he had some assistance.. Or maybe was nothing to do with it... Still im sure all the spy cams dotted everywhere will solve it.
I've sent the BBC pics showing the markings to a couple of very experienced colleagues and they all say same thing that they find it hard to believe a 16yr old lad did that, certainly on his own.
Like you say the truth will come out. "
couple of my mates, who are fully qualified tree surgeons are saying the same. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
Phew that's OK then.
Simply wondering where the outrage threads were for those. Or threats of violence.
An example https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23317854.rochford-100-year-old-oak-tree-cut-bloor-homes/
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When you object to a tree being cut down for economic development your labeled a tree hugger. No one wants that label. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
Phew that's OK then.
Simply wondering where the outrage threads were for those. Or threats of violence.
An example https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23317854.rochford-100-year-old-oak-tree-cut-bloor-homes/
When you object to a tree being cut down for economic development your labeled a tree hugger. No one wants that label."
I'm happy to b called a tree hugger! X |
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"Yes, it's sad, but there are far worse things happening at the hands of our youth IE the young girl stabbed to death the other day by a 17yo lad. So maybe we need a bit of perspective.
That is very true and awful. But its not youth crime top trumps. "
No it's not, I'm just unsure as to why this is getting such comments as "I'm so upset" in comparison to the ending of a human life by another person. It just seems disproportionate that's all. |
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"Yes, it's sad, but there are far worse things happening at the hands of our youth IE the young girl stabbed to death the other day by a 17yo lad. So maybe we need a bit of perspective.
That is very true and awful. But its not youth crime top trumps.
No it's not, I'm just unsure as to why this is getting such comments as "I'm so upset" in comparison to the ending of a human life by another person. It just seems disproportionate that's all."
Of course that was totally abborant! But this thread is about the tree? No one is comparing the 2 crimes!had they been then yes Of course the murder of a child would be considered horrifying! X |
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Has the arrested youth been found guilty? It seems that their guilt has been assumed from some of the dire punishments wished apon them  .
I wish we could all get as worked up about the daily destruction of rain forests. |
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"Has the arrested youth been found guilty? It seems that their guilt has been assumed from some of the dire punishments wished apon them .
I wish we could all get as worked up about the daily destruction of rain forests. "
Belive me I do get worked up about the destruction of this planet! But I started this thread pasificly about this grand ancient tree!As for the innocent till proven guilty agree100% x |
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"Has the arrested youth been found guilty? It seems that their guilt has been assumed from some of the dire punishments wished apon them .
I wish we could all get as worked up about the daily destruction of rain forests.
Belive me I do get worked up about the destruction of this planet! But I started this thread pasificly about this grand ancient tree!As for the innocent till proven guilty agree100% x"
I understand that  . |
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Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers. |
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"I'd tie the little scrote to the wall by the tree stump and leave him there to stare and admire his work...and then just watch him cry like a baby when he's left for days/nights in the wild weather up there.
Only way he will understand... society is way too soft with these little fuckers...and their parents too..
We've done the softly softly approach for wayyyyyyyyy too long.. and look where its got us..
There are developers legally (and illegally) cutting down ancient trees on a regular basis.
Phew that's OK then.
Simply wondering where the outrage threads were for those. Or threats of violence.
An example https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23317854.rochford-100-year-old-oak-tree-cut-bloor-homes/
When you object to a tree being cut down for economic development your labeled a tree hugger. No one wants that label.
I'm happy to b called a tree hugger! X"
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers. "
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge. |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge. "
Well it seems people want the individual strung up by the balls. Rather go after the big companies that cause deforestation, than a kid felling one tree. |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge. "
Agreed! X |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge. "
It's not so much revenge as there are consequences to your actions. You do bad shit... Bad shit comes your way. Make your choice. |
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That's not to say people should t stop buying stuff from china and holiday locally and stop flying and all that other bell ringing people are doing. When people say "they should go after".. "they" is you. Look in the mirror. |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge.
It's not so much revenge as there are consequences to your actions. You do bad shit... Bad shit comes your way. Make your choice. "
Tying the perpetrator to a tree for days and nights is bad shit, I agree. I'd say it's revenge too. |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge.
It's not so much revenge as there are consequences to your actions. You do bad shit... Bad shit comes your way. Make your choice. "
There is also the question of the punishment fitting the crime. Life as some have claimed they should get on this thread, is just a tad over the top is it not? |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge.
It's not so much revenge as there are consequences to your actions. You do bad shit... Bad shit comes your way. Make your choice.
There is also the question of the punishment fitting the crime. Life as some have claimed they should get on this thread, is just a tad over the top is it not? "
I've not really paid attention but you need to know if you cut down, vandalise, destroy stuff, you're Gonna get some consequences and hopefully sufficient to deter you and others from taking away our nice stuff .. Unless you have get out of jail free hashtags. |
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"Much as I thoroughly disagree with someone chopping down this beautiful tree. How many tress have been felled to build housing developments in this country? If this tree wasn't famous nobody would care.
As for punishment I'd happily see those guilty having to plant the next generation of trees. Plenty of rewilding charities who are crying out for volunteers.
That would seem a more productive punishment with rehabilitation in mind rather than revenge.
It's not so much revenge as there are consequences to your actions. You do bad shit... Bad shit comes your way. Make your choice.
There is also the question of the punishment fitting the crime. Life as some have claimed they should get on this thread, is just a tad over the top is it not?
I've not really paid attention but you need to know if you cut down, vandalise, destroy stuff, you're Gonna get some consequences and hopefully sufficient to deter you and others from taking away our nice stuff .. Unless you have get out of jail free hashtags. "
Local land developer felled a tree than had a preservation order on it. Much less uproar than this particular tree admittedly. However, he and the tree surgeon got a fine. Which they could easily afford. But I guess the tree here wasn't social media popular, therefore less important. |
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I'm not sure about the teenager either.
I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
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I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
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Yeah that'll be why mason did it. |
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"I'm not sure about the teenager either.
I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
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Yeah that'll be why mason did it. "
It was your son??
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"I'm not sure about the teenager either.
I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
pt"
Its a nice thought, and what we would have had to be content with if it had come down naturally in a storm. Good thing about nature is it does rebuild and regrow, but in longer timeframes than our individual lives allow for so we still have to mourn losing things. |
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"I'm not sure about the teenager either.
I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
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Its a nice thought, and what we would have had to be content with if it had come down naturally in a storm. Good thing about nature is it does rebuild and regrow, but in longer timeframes than our individual lives allow for so we still have to mourn losing things.
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It's good to see people genuinely mourning I think. I think we might be mourning a gradual loss of our historical identity too.
Nature won't get sick of more trees that's for sure (sorry it's an affliction), but she could get sick of us that's the big worry of course. This planet doesn't have to be in our habitable zone. Whatever the causes of global warming, and it couldn't be more complex I'm sure, we clearly need to do so much more to safeguard our future.
And every new tree has to be seeded or planted! I mean have you seen the prices of the ones in pots? pt |
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"I'm not sure about the teenager either.
I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
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Its a nice thought, and what we would have had to be content with if it had come down naturally in a storm. Good thing about nature is it does rebuild and regrow, but in longer timeframes than our individual lives allow for so we still have to mourn losing things.
It's good to see people genuinely mourning I think. I think we might be mourning a gradual loss of our historical identity too.
Nature won't get sick of more trees that's for sure (sorry it's an affliction), but she could get sick of us that's the big worry of course. This planet doesn't have to be in our habitable zone. Whatever the causes of global warming, and it couldn't be more complex I'm sure, we clearly need to do so much more to safeguard our future.
And every new tree has to be seeded or planted! I mean have you seen the prices of the ones in pots? pt"
We collected a huge bucket full of conkers last year and threw them on the lawn for 'the squirrels' I have been pulling up baby trees all summer as they all grew and non became squirrel food Tree farming would be a doddle |
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"I'm not sure about the teenager either.
I wonder more if the tree wasn't sacrificed (martyred almost), so people could feel the deep ephemeral beauty of nature through its senseless loss. And perhaps - when the anger has subsided - that we might contemplate more on how everything in life, even the oldest most mighty things, are ultimately transient, and cannot be rebuilt, replaced or re-bought.
pt
Its a nice thought, and what we would have had to be content with if it had come down naturally in a storm. Good thing about nature is it does rebuild and regrow, but in longer timeframes than our individual lives allow for so we still have to mourn losing things.
It's good to see people genuinely mourning I think. I think we might be mourning a gradual loss of our historical identity too.
Nature won't get sick of more trees that's for sure (sorry it's an affliction), but she could get sick of us that's the big worry of course. This planet doesn't have to be in our habitable zone. Whatever the causes of global warming, and it couldn't be more complex I'm sure, we clearly need to do so much more to safeguard our future.
And every new tree has to be seeded or planted! I mean have you seen the prices of the ones in pots? pt
We collected a huge bucket full of conkers last year and threw them on the lawn for 'the squirrels' I have been pulling up baby trees all summer as they all grew and non became squirrel food Tree farming would be a doddle
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They do say forgetful squirrels do part of nature's job!  
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I'm sorry but in the eyes of the law its just criminal damage other than by fire, and it would be hard to argue that the value of the tree is over £5000.
If the value of the tree could be assessed as such then the maximum sentence is ten years, which is unlikely for a sixteen year old (he'd be let out at eighteen).
If the value of the tree is assessed as under £5000 then the maximum custodial sentence is 3 months.
In both cases the person will not serve more than 50% of their sentence because of the changes to the sentencing act a decade or more ago.
The reality is it is just a tree, and I would like to point out that I want the people responsible to be charged, but calling for life is not realistic. It is up to the owner to prove the value. |
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"I'm sorry but in the eyes of the law its just criminal damage other than by fire, and it would be hard to argue that the value of the tree is over £5000.
If the value of the tree could be assessed as such then the maximum sentence is ten years, which is unlikely for a sixteen year old (he'd be let out at eighteen).
If the value of the tree is assessed as under £5000 then the maximum custodial sentence is 3 months.
In both cases the person will not serve more than 50% of their sentence because of the changes to the sentencing act a decade or more ago.
The reality is it is just a tree, and I would like to point out that I want the people responsible to be charged, but calling for life is not realistic. It is up to the owner to prove the value.
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Well it's part of a UNESCO World Heritage site, but those kind of things alone, I don't know. I do know trees can be listed though (even magnolias in people's gardens), and if trees like this haven't been, they certainly will be now I'd expect. For both insurance and a value-related deterrent, if it still works that way. Hadrian's Wall is a tourist destination after all, and due to the films it's been in this could be a global 'side story' too.
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"I wouldn't so no to the logs if they're up for grabs"
I imagine that hand turned, souvenirs will soon be available at a National Trust shop near you. Only £25:99 for your very own Hadrian's Gap sycamore wooden mushroom. |
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I imagine that hand turned, souvenirs will soon be available at a National Trust shop near you. Only £25:99 for your very own Hadrian's Gap sycamore wooden mushroom. "
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"Here's another... This time... A mystery...
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23824095.yew-tree-predates-battle-hastings-felled/"
We're not far from this and it's apparently been uprooted rather than felled. We haven't seen it though.
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"Here's another... This time... A mystery...
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23824095.yew-tree-predates-battle-hastings-felled/
We're not far from this and it's apparently been uprooted rather than felled. We haven't seen it though.
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If the many yew trees in the woods at Eureka are anything to go by, they do a nice line in uprooting themselves quite easily. |
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"Here's another... This time... A mystery...
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23824095.yew-tree-predates-battle-hastings-felled/
We're not far from this and it's apparently been uprooted rather than felled. We haven't seen it though.
If the many yew trees in the woods at Eureka are anything to go by, they do a nice line in uprooting themselves quite easily."
Really old yews are often propped up too. |
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"Here's another... This time... A mystery...
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23824095.yew-tree-predates-battle-hastings-felled/
We're not far from this and it's apparently been uprooted rather than felled. We haven't seen it though.
If the many yew trees in the woods at Eureka are anything to go by, they do a nice line in uprooting themselves quite easily.
Really old yews are often propped up too. "
It's all over the yews? |
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