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By *oinerbill OP Man over a year ago

warrington

Just watching the news about that poor young girl knifed to death on her way to school, 15 years old

Just let that sink in, 15 fu''''ng years old on her way to school !!

The scumbag who did this should be locked away for ever

How do we stop this, because it will be guns in a few years.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

It’s guns now , I grew up in notts when it was nicknamed shottingham

Get tough on crime and ban weapon sales simple . Otherwise the gangs takeover and innocents occasionally get in the cross fire

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What ever happened to a knife means life? Pretty sure it was on the election manifesto and a pledge from both major party's to inact if they got into power, well one of them did and it never happened.

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By *romleyM41Man over a year ago

orpington / surrounding

Make it a minimum 20 years in prison with no parole for anyone caught carrying a knife in public whether they have used it or not. Employ more police, increase stop and search.

Or just anyone gets caught with a knife gets put in big arena with the doors locked and go hunger games style, last man or woman standing gets to live,

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

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By *romleyM41Man over a year ago

orpington / surrounding

"What ever happened to a knife means life? Pretty sure it was on the election manifesto and a pledge from both major party's to inact if they got into power, well one of them did and it never happened."

The manifestos they release are just a load of rubbish they think the public want to hear that will get them more votes, 90% of it is unachievable and they know it. Politics is broken

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By *ean counterMan over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

I can't comment about this particular terrible event but I believe that most of these stabbings and murders that are currently happening are about one thing, drugs ! Therefore if you buy, sell or use drugs then you are partially responsible for a lot of deaths !

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By *egan_CDTV/TS over a year ago

In the closet

"Just watching the news about that poor young girl knifed to death on her way to school, 15 years old

Just let that sink in, 15 fu''''ng years old on her way to school !!

The scumbag who did this should be locked away for ever

How do we stop this, because it will be guns in a few years.

The alleged murderer is only a couple of years older.

It will never stop, no matter what we ban or how we police. Some people will always get so angry that they’ll kill others, usually over nothing, to ‘teach them a lesson’.

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By *egan_CDTV/TS over a year ago

In the closet

"It’s guns now , I grew up in notts when it was nicknamed shottingham

Get tough on crime and ban weapon sales simple . Otherwise the gangs takeover and innocents occasionally get in the cross fire"

Criminals who carry guns don’t get them by legitimate means. Banning guns (again) won’t make the slightest difference.

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

We banned guns after dunblane, we still have shootings.

We ban the sale of knives, stabbings still happen.

It’s almost like it’s not the weapon in use but the person behind it carrying the intent to use it. Until difficult conversations are had and proper community programs are established, this is only going to carry on.

Where does a 17 year old think it’s acceptable to carry a knife and end someone’s life with it!? That sort of conditioning comes from a young age.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

Infiltrate gang culture along with county lines.

Treat the cause not the symptom

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By *ereagainlolMan over a year ago

Lerwick

Banning knives is a waste of time, there are plenty of ways to make a weapon out of something ordinary. That's why they make shivs in prison, even a sharpened pencil can kill if put in the right place.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Knife crime rising at the same time stop and search powers have been criticised and restricted.

Must be a coincidence?

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By *ll-Knight-longMan over a year ago

Derby/Notts(Long Eaton)

Banning knives just means they carry around kitchen knives, screwdrivers or chisels and prevents legitimate users of knives & tools for crafts the losers. Already the new changes in the law are catching out fence layers, arborists, gardeners,diy’ers, reenactors. It is people not the tool that cause the crime. Juvenile courts are a farce with kids found guilty of petty drug related crime getting punitive penalties until it escalates to where they think they are untouchable.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan over a year ago

Glasgow / London

Glasgow tackled its knife crime problem pretty successfully by setting up an independent Violence Reduction Unit that could approach knife crime as a public health issue rather than a purely criminal one. That allowed the police, social care, charities, etc to all work together in a well-funded and organised way.

They identified likely future offenders (the kids who might carry knives) and invited them in. Talked to them. Educated them on what stabbing really does to the body. How victims and their families are devastated. Showed them harsh reality. Mothers losing their children. Men losing brothers.

At the same time, the justice system radically increased sentencing for knife crimes. So the police, talking to these kids, could say ‘We know who you are and if we ever catch you doing this we will come down on you hard. You will go to jail.’

It worked. Knife crime in Glasgow is a fraction of what it used to be.

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By *oinerbill OP Man over a year ago

warrington

"Glasgow tackled its knife crime problem pretty successfully by setting up an independent Violence Reduction Unit that could approach knife crime as a public health issue rather than a purely criminal one. That allowed the police, social care, charities, etc to all work together in a well-funded and organised way.

It worked. Knife crime in Glasgow is a fraction of what it used to be."

What a great post, thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd begin by taking a long look at the funding allocated towards tackling social deprivation. It took a very different direction when the Tories took power even with Divvy Dave's 'Hug a Hoodie' bullshit.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"I'd begin by taking a long look at the funding allocated towards tackling social deprivation. It took a very different direction when the Tories took power even with Divvy Dave's 'Hug a Hoodie' bullshit.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan over a year ago

southampton

A start would be to ban Head coverings in any form as so little chance of identification when committing crimes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It worked. Knife crime in Glasgow is a fraction of what it used to be."

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By *host63Man over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

"Just watching the news about that poor young girl knifed to death on her way to school, 15 years old

Just let that sink in, 15 fu''''ng years old on her way to school !!

The scumbag who did this should be locked away for ever

How do we stop this, because it will be guns in a few years.

Sadly toy can't.

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By *asycouple1971Couple over a year ago

midlands

Alot of people carrying knives are let off with a caution...fuck that you get caught then you do 5yrs.

Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Increase the police and stop and search powers and get more police on the streets.

Some of this has been caused by this corrupt Tory leadership, they dont care.

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By *ansoffateMan over a year ago

Sagittarius A

It is a case that saddened me for some personal reasons.

I don't think you can stop knife crime. A knife can be crafted all too easily, some of the prison shiv scars I've seen are gnarly.

The only way I think it can be tackled are in the causes of violent crime on a social scale. Which is pertinent to the case you are referring to I believe.

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By *eathrow pineappleCouple over a year ago

West London

Personally I'd love to see capital punishment reintroduced.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A start would be to ban Head coverings in any form as so little chance of identification when committing crimes."

Great shout

What about a tattooed ID on the forehead?

Nobody allowed out of their homes after dark to ensure easier identification.

Or implanted chips in our bodies. Then we can have scanners on all streets to check who's been where and when.

We should probably ban makeup too (amazing what they can do with that stuff these days). And definitely no fancy dress.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Anyone who thinks banning knives is a waste of time must think USA gun laws are fine.

There’s no single answer but criminalising weapons and making sentences tough does work to a degree

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By *odgerMooreMan over a year ago

Carlisle

"A start would be to ban Head coverings in any form as so little chance of identification when committing crimes.

Great shout

What about a tattooed ID on the forehead?

Nobody allowed out of their homes after dark to ensure easier identification.

Or implanted chips in our bodies. Then we can have scanners on all streets to check who's been where and when.

We should probably ban makeup too (amazing what they can do with that stuff these days). And definitely no fancy dress.

This will definitely stop the spate of killer clowns ravaging our streets at night!!

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

The police don't give a harder response to lower level crime as they'd rather chase bigger cases. If things like shoplifting, dope smoking, loitering, anti-social behaviour, even littering had statutory fines, a culture of responsibility would be created, owned by adults and policed eventually not by the police but by citizens.

Councils don't do enough when there are repeat issues with tenants, they don't evict, but enforcing property upkeep or standards of behaviour around noise or dru*g taking would show there's consequence to actions.

Same with the courts, if tougher sentencing either fines, rehab or community service, people would see there was consequence to actions. Example in my local paper was a dealer with £3000 of bagged herorin in his car, got suspended 6 month sentence and small fine (can't remember amount).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You cannot stop any crime

We can prevent it by doing knife amnesty days.

If cannot do the time do not do the crime!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone who thinks banning knives is a waste of time must think USA gun laws are fine. "

Except they already did that didn't they? And still the problem got worse...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It worked. Knife crime in Glasgow is a fraction of what it used to be."

That sounds an excellent and thoughtful approach. Rather than some of the knee-jerk responses I'm seeing in this thread.

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By *asycouple1971Couple over a year ago

midlands

Lets hope they name the suspect. If you do the crime you should expect to get named.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I'd love to see capital punishment reintroduced. "

You'd love to see more people killed? Christ.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

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By *ansoffateMan over a year ago

Sagittarius A

"Anyone who thinks banning knives is a waste of time must think USA gun laws are fine.

There’s no single answer but criminalising weapons and making sentences tough does work to a degree "

Banning guns works because they are not simple to craft.

You can turn a toothbrush into a shiv. A pointy stick can kill someone. Knives can be made from tools. Tools can be used without any modification at all.

There's not much further we can go with the banning approach.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875"

Thise guidelines are already there.

Yet still officers are critisised, even when those guidelines are followed.

There are a number of reasons certain groups appear to be disproportionately stopped and searched. Not all of them are due to prejudice or bias.

I don't believe I have ever seen the families of stabbing victims (regardless of demographic) calling for a reduction in stop and search.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

Thise guidelines are already there.

Yet still officers are critisised, even when those guidelines are followed.

There are a number of reasons certain groups appear to be disproportionately stopped and searched. Not all of them are due to prejudice or bias.

I don't believe I have ever seen the families of stabbing victims (regardless of demographic) calling for a reduction in stop and search. "

I agree, don't think that the only factors are bias/prejudice. It wasn't my suggestion to reduce stop and search - I was just calling out the "rubbish" comment.

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By *ean counterMan over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875"

And there lies the biggest problem ! The police are not allowed to do their job without the race card being deployed ! I work in London and there are stabbings pretty much every day down here. How many of the people stabbed in London are white? Not many, but as soon as the police try and do something about it they get accused of being racist. This is facts not racism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

Thise guidelines are already there.

Yet still officers are critisised, even when those guidelines are followed.

There are a number of reasons certain groups appear to be disproportionately stopped and searched. Not all of them are due to prejudice or bias.

I don't believe I have ever seen the families of stabbing victims (regardless of demographic) calling for a reduction in stop and search.

I agree, don't think that the only factors are bias/prejudice. It wasn't my suggestion to reduce stop and search - I was just calling out the "rubbish" comment. "

I get that... just tagged my comment on the end of yours as a logical continuation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

Thise guidelines are already there.

Yet still officers are critisised, even when those guidelines are followed.

There are a number of reasons certain groups appear to be disproportionately stopped and searched. Not all of them are due to prejudice or bias.

I don't believe I have ever seen the families of stabbing victims (regardless of demographic) calling for a reduction in stop and search.

I agree, don't think that the only factors are bias/prejudice. It wasn't my suggestion to reduce stop and search - I was just calling out the "rubbish" comment.

I get that... just tagged my comment on the end of yours as a logical continuation. "

I love logical!

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple over a year ago

luton

Caught carrying ten years , any attempt to use to harm , life

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple over a year ago

luton

"Personally I'd love to see capital punishment reintroduced. "
me too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just watching the news about that poor young girl knifed to death on her way to school, 15 years old

Just let that sink in, 15 fu''''ng years old on her way to school !!

The scumbag who did this should be locked away for ever

How do we stop this, because it will be guns in a few years.

I'm a guy of a certain age, knife crime isn't new, a friend of mine was stabbed sadly died in the eighties,

I read of the glasgow razor gangs, knew of the football crews that carried blades, sadly its gone on since man first invented the blade

The vast difference is the access to information social media 24hr news so we now hear of virtually every stabbing, before we heard little of it unless it was very local.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

Schools blame parents, parents blame schools.

The government tried to do something about it in Barking and Dagenham because the gang crime was getting seriously out of hand.

They opened up a huge youth club building called Future Youth Zone-with Prince Harry officially opening it-to give young people somewhere to go and learn skills or play sports, to keep them off the streets and away from the gangs.

This week my friend shared an advert from them asking for donations to keep it open, stating it's not run by the Borough.

Whether this helped keep children from being lured into the gangs I don't know, but we're still having young people being stabbed in the area.

The incident in the OP doesn't seem gang related though; just an angry boy who probably grew up in the knife culture.

It is a culture now, and will be hard for the police to change it.

As one person leaves the knife scene more join.

They are being recruited from the school gates and word of mouth amongst teenagers, and once they're in, it's hard to get out.

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By *apybarasCouple over a year ago

High Lighthouse!

In reality you can't stop any crime, deterents don't work (murders still happen in the US where in many states they have the death penalty).

You can reduce some crime by improving the circumstance the perpetrators find themselves in, and you can try to rehabilitate offenders to avoid repeat offending.

But ultimately the dark side of human nature will continue to reveal itself.

That's not to say we shrug our shoulders and do nothing, but we need to have realistic expectations of the likely effects of policy. "Ending knife crime" is not a realistic expectation.

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By *osco78Man over a year ago

Sheffield

"It’s guns now , I grew up in notts when it was nicknamed shottingham

Get tough on crime and ban weapon sales simple . Otherwise the gangs takeover and innocents occasionally get in the cross fire"

I remember them days all too well

Notts was a scary place if weren't know in certain areas back then.

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By *eahxocallumCouple over a year ago

studley

You can't prevent anything 100%, but you can reduce it by introducing social reforms, intervention programs in schools, and mental health. Further, provide prospects for the youth either vocational or educational as well as activities that build cooperation and alternatives to gang culture.

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By *ean counterMan over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

If I was approached by a police officer who said they wanted to search me then I would have no problem with that whatsoever as I don't carry a knife!

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By *immyinreadingMan over a year ago

henley on thames

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change. "

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife?

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife? "

Not just a knife, a machete!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Increase sentencing tho I doubt it would stop people carrying. Probably not unrelated but over 750 youth clubs have been shut down over the last 10 years. I know from my own experience being a teenager in Brixton in the 70s that a youth club I attended kept a lot of us out of trouble.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

There are few things that can help, like increase sentencing and also increase the police presence, it must be difficult to be a police nowadays because of the red tape, as they have to think twice of who they will be stop and search.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife? "

He was 17. Just a child and he thought the only response to rejection was carry a machete and kill her. Utterly tragic and horrendous crime. You don't think there could be any societal issues in the mix?

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By *ndycoinsMan over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"We banned guns after dunblane, we still have shootings.

We ban the sale of knives, stabbings still happen.

Where does a 17 year old think it’s acceptable to carry a knife and end someone’s life with it!? That sort of conditioning comes from a young age. "

There are more handguns in this country and more shootings since the Dunblane ban.Like Hungerford, that was the Police not acting on information received.The cheap political answer was a ban so "it will never happen again".With knives,stop and search is a big part,intelligence lead,but now Police aren't allowed to act because it's racist,or rather the statistics that show "X" in a particular area or context are somehow racist.Even operation Trident to try and stop black on black violence was deemed by some to be racist.Tougher sentences, but also community leaders need to step up,admit it's crime/gang related,accept accusations of racist Police/tactics is clouding the issue and is used as a distraction.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife? "

The title of the thread is how to stop knife crime.

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical. "

What is the percentage of crimes committed by whites as opposed to blacks?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

What is the percentage of crimes committed by whites as opposed to blacks?"

My name is Sally, not Google.

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife?

No!!

Just sheer ferrel youth cuntism.Never been told NO,

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By *9alMan over a year ago

Bridgend

I think we need more metal detectors in public places & police should use them instead of stop & search

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

What is the percentage of crimes committed by whites as opposed to blacks?

My name is Sally, not Google."

What about your in depth evidence?

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"I think we need more metal detectors in public places & police should use them instead of stop & search "

First sensible thing ive heard

Hats off to you sir

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think we need more metal detectors in public places & police should use them instead of stop & search "

What powers do the police have to detain someone and put them through a metal detector in public?

Surely they would have to justify why they are stopping people just like stop and search?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

What is the percentage of crimes committed by whites as opposed to blacks?

My name is Sally, not Google.

What about your in depth evidence?"

I cited racial bias issues with stop and search. I referred to a report by the Police's own watchdog.

If you want stats, look them up and make your point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There are few things that can help, like increase sentencing and also increase the police presence, it must be difficult to be a police nowadays because of the red tape, as they have to think twice of who they will be stop and search."

The US has the highest percentage of the population in the world in prison while violent crime, especially gun crime is the highest too. Sentencing is very very clearly not the answer. Poverty and a frightened population cause mental health problems that lead to violent crime. Keeping the people scared so they vote a particular way has this side effect and it is well known. It’s by design and it’s not going to get addressed by either of the main UK parties under their current leadership. They will do stuff for headlines knowing it won’t work but will get votes.

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By *ansoffateMan over a year ago

Sagittarius A

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife?

No!!

Just sheer ferrel youth cuntism.Never been told NO,"

Whilst I do not ascribe to your terminology. To the extent that your position has value - it doesn't not exclude societal causes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Examine the causes. And don’t just stop at poverty until the community asks itself some tough questions nothing will change.

Causes? What possible “causes” can explain a bloke killing a 15 year old girl with a knife?

No!!

Just sheer feral youth cuntism.Never been told NO,"

I don't think acts like these are committed in a vacuum.

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

"Knife crime rising at the same time stop and search powers have been criticised and restricted.

Must be a coincidence? "

This.

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

What is the percentage of crimes committed by whites as opposed to blacks?

My name is Sally, not Google.

What about your in depth evidence?

I cited racial bias issues with stop and search. I referred to a report by the Police's own watchdog.

If you want stats, look them up and make your point. "

I dont need to, you make enough noise for the whole forum

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By *ean counterMan over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical. "

Of course it's logical ! It's the crazy pathetic UK we all now live in! Soon won't be able to do anything in case it offends someone! A lot of the armed police in London have refused to carry their weapons in case they shoot someone and then get accused of murder! The place has gone mad. Let's start treating criminals like criminals and get the "it's not their fault" brigade to shut the fuck up !

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By *oquars19458Man over a year ago

sheffield

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

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By *erry bull1Man over a year ago

doncaster

The way this country is going I think you’ll find knife crimes will become more prevalent, no police on the streets and the government haven’t a clue who is entering the country illegally

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By *ean counterMan over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

"The way this country is going I think you’ll find knife crimes will become more prevalent, no police on the streets and the government haven’t a clue who is entering the country illegally "

Yes and unfortunately a lot of these people (normally men) come from countries that have a much lower value on life. It's getting very scary!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

What is the percentage of crimes committed by whites as opposed to blacks?

My name is Sally, not Google.

What about your in depth evidence?

I cited racial bias issues with stop and search. I referred to a report by the Police's own watchdog.

If you want stats, look them up and make your point.

I dont need to, you make enough noise for the whole forum"

Is that man speak for - I can't be arsed to evidence my argument so I will personally insult a woman who makes the effort?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

Are you able to discuss an issue without shouting?

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By *scobar67Man over a year ago

glasgow

It worked. Knife crime in Glasgow is a fraction of what it used to be."

Aye mate this is true but knife crime is still a big problem in Glasgow.

They could start by banning knives but if people really want to hurt someone else then they will use something else to do it..... You can't just ban all knives... Supposedly anyone caught with a knife was to get 5 year jail... Never heard of anyone getting that in my life for carrying one.... People need educated on the destruction it leaves for the victims and their families.

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By *ean counterMan over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

Are you able to discuss an issue without shouting? "

Sometimes you have to shout as the blind can't hear you !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm confused by what is meant by 'banning knives'?

As far as I understood it's already illegal to carry a weapon with specific mention of knives?

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By *hristopherd999Man over a year ago

Brentwood

Death penalty

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Personally I'd love to see capital punishment reintroduced. "

Yeah, because no one has ever been wrongfully convicted of murder at all in this country have they..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

Are you able to discuss an issue without shouting?

Sometimes you have to shout as the blind can't hear you ! "

I think you're the one not listening

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The parents are the ones who are responsible for their children - this is where misbehaviour is learned, and these days, seemingly not discouraged. I believe that the parents/parent/legal guardian should bear equal criminal responsibility for the acts of their children.

Bess

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This conversation about knife crime but started with the Croydon stabbing in mind neglected to acknowledge the factors that appear to have led to this murder. A boy, rejected by a girl, decided to murder her. The entitlement. The feeling that a woman can’t say no and that a no means death. Those are wider conversations about misogyny that I’ve seen taking place, that need to be had about this murder.

Men kill women’s when they say no. We’ve seen this before. It carries on. We have to do better. We have to challenge misogyny in all its forums ALL the time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh look, what a surprise I’ve seen ‘race card’ mentioned in this thread. So fucking exhausting.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This conversation about knife crime but started with the Croydon stabbing in mind neglected to acknowledge the factors that appear to have led to this murder. A boy, rejected by a girl, decided to murder her. The entitlement. The feeling that a woman can’t say no and that a no means death. Those are wider conversations about misogyny that I’ve seen taking place, that need to be had about this murder.

Men kill women’s when they say no. We’ve seen this before. It carries on. We have to do better. We have to challenge misogyny in all its forums ALL the time. "

This..

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By *ansoffateMan over a year ago

Sagittarius A

Men kill women’s when they say no. We’ve seen this before. It carries on. We have to do better. We have to challenge misogyny in all its forums ALL the time.

This..

Seconded

Also perhaps the wider philosophical stance of using violence as a deterrent to violence. The impact that has on people's attitudes towards the use of violence.

I've not checked the stats in quite some time but incarceration, recidivism and violent crime rates aren't exactly exemplary in the states I'm not sure that's the model to be emulating.

The means become the ends we hope to achieve. Emma G

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Men kill women’s when they say no. We’ve seen this before. It carries on. We have to do better. We have to challenge misogyny in all its forums ALL the time.

This..

Seconded

Also perhaps the wider philosophical stance of using violence as a deterrent to violence. The impact that has on people's attitudes towards the use of violence.

I've not checked the stats in quite some time but incarceration, recidivism and violent crime rates aren't exactly exemplary in the states I'm not sure that's the model to be emulating.

The means become the ends we hope to achieve. Emma G"
You are right you can't use the states as a model to emulate. We give citizens the right to protect themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stop and search

It’s racist apparently but it can work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont think we can its the gang thing . Karen

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple over a year ago

Leeds

You can’t.

Anyone can pick a knife up and stab anyone, only takes 5 minutes of madness and your life is turned upside down.

Then there’s the gang culture, kill or be killed. I know if I needed to defend myself on a daily I’d carry a weapon.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just watching the news about that poor young girl knifed to death on her way to school, 15 years old

Just let that sink in, 15 fu''''ng years old on her way to school !!

The scumbag who did this should be locked away for ever

How do we stop this, because it will be guns in a few years.

When was the last time you were I London.

It's guns now.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Men kill women’s when they say no. We’ve seen this before. It carries on. We have to do better. We have to challenge misogyny in all its forums ALL the time. "

Exactly. This incident has nothing to do with the method of the attack, and everything to do with the extreme misogyny and radicalisation that caused it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop and search

It’s racist apparently but it can work "

“In 2017, 53% of possession of knife suspects were Black, and 37% of all suspects were Black men under the age of 25“

“ The effectiveness of stop and search as a tool to combat knife crime is a topic of ongoing debate. Stop and search is a policing tactic where officers stop and question individuals and, if they have reasonable grounds, may conduct a search for weapons or other illegal items.

Proponents argue that stop and search can be a valuable tool in reducing knife crime by deterring potential offenders and removing weapons from the streets. It can also help in preventing knife crime by identifying individuals who may be carrying weapons with harmful intent.

However, critics have raised concerns about the disproportionate use of stop and search on certain racial or ethnic groups, which can lead to allegations of racial profiling and community mistrust in law enforcement. There is also debate about whether stop and search alone is an effective long-term strategy in addressing the root causes of knife crime, such as social, economic, and educational factors.

The effectiveness of stop and search in reducing knife crime may vary depending on how it is implemented, the specific context, and the overall crime prevention strategy in place. Many police forces aim to strike a balance between using stop and search as a tool to combat knife crime while also addressing concerns about fairness and community relations.”

We need to have hard conversations about uncomfortable truths and try to implement strategies that reduce knife crime that are both effective but also fair

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop and search

It’s racist apparently but it can work "
Bravo. Been a roaring success up until now hasn’t it

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"We banned guns after dunblane, we still have shootings.

We ban the sale of knives, stabbings still happen.

Where does a 17 year old think it’s acceptable to carry a knife and end someone’s life with it!? That sort of conditioning comes from a young age.

And yet what if the police (the MET for sure which of course have/had their own rules) are "somehow" racist? I find not allowing for that fact disturbing on a number of levels.

It also flies in the face of so much harrowing and disturbing evidence.

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By *ansoffateMan over a year ago

Sagittarius A

Men kill women’s when they say no. We’ve seen this before. It carries on. We have to do better. We have to challenge misogyny in all its forums ALL the time.

This..

Seconded

Also perhaps the wider philosophical stance of using violence as a deterrent to violence. The impact that has on people's attitudes towards the use of violence.

I've not checked the stats in quite some time but incarceration, recidivism and violent crime rates aren't exactly exemplary in the states I'm not sure that's the model to be emulating.

The means become the ends we hope to achieve. Emma G You are right you can't use the states as a model to emulate. We give citizens the right to protect themselves."

I do actually appreciate your perspective on that issue - I am not dismissing it. Another reason it's not a useful comparison - I agree. It will never be a widely supported view in the UK though. I am working from that perspective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop and search

It’s racist apparently but it can work Bravo. Been a roaring success up until now hasn’t it "

True. But we need both short term and long term strategies

In the long term we need to figure out why kids are turning to knife crime and gang related violence and fix it

But that won’t fix knife crime today

Today we needed targeted police efforts to get knives off the street and discourage people carrying them by making it more likely to get caught

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875"

This is why knife crime in London Will never end.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

This is why knife crime in London Will never end."

Go on then expert. Tell us why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

This is why knife crime in London Will never end.

Go on then expert. Tell us why? "

It's a waste of time debating with because you know why and you will never admit it.

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just watching the news about that poor young girl knifed to death on her way to school, 15 years old

Just let that sink in, 15 fu''''ng years old on her way to school !!

The scumbag who did this should be locked away for ever

How do we stop this, because it will be guns in a few years.

He or she, this is the age they get into knives!

I don't see why it should lead to guns, even accounting for the lack of availability, affordability and portability etc.

We need to provide alternatives to gangs, as self defence is secondary to the reasons the knives get used. It's most often about value within gang structures. (Crime can and will happen regarding anything though of course).

Also we need to address the modern mental health problems in children. (If politically-speaking people are prepared to accept that as a 'thing.')

Life is about people, we must be prepared to pay for people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s funny because people go straight to ‘give the police more powers’ to harass young, innocent Black boys. Instead of supporting the grassroots organisations in the sector that are tacking youth violence and are tackling the social causes of knife crime and gang membership. People don’t even know these things exist. It’s insulting. The police taking knives away doesn’t stop the causes of youth violence. Stop being so lazy in your assumptions and your stereotypes. Read a book? Engage with some of the people on the ground doing the work? This government isn’t committed to supporting the sector and tackling the issue because they’re not willing to put their money into this stuff. And people lap up the bs racist shit they read on the internet from people NOT even affected by the issue. You cannot make it up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

This is why knife crime in London Will never end.

Go on then expert. Tell us why?

It's a waste of time debating with because you know why and you will never admit it."

Jokes. Ok

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"It’s funny because people go straight to ‘give the police more powers’ to harass young, innocent Black boys. Instead of supporting the grassroots organisations in the sector that are tacking youth violence and are tackling the social causes of knife crime and gang membership. People don’t even know these things exist. It’s insulting. The police taking knives away doesn’t stop the causes of youth violence. Stop being so lazy in your assumptions and your stereotypes. Read a book? Engage with some of the people on the ground doing the work? This government isn’t committed to supporting the sector and tackling the issue because they’re not willing to put their money into this stuff. And people lap up the bs racist shit they read on the internet from people NOT even affected by the issue. You cannot make it up

Truth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

This is why knife crime in London Will never end.

Go on then expert. Tell us why?

It's a waste of time debating with because you know why and you will never admit it.

Jokes. Ok

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

1. Feed every child.

2. Clothe every child.

3. Keep every child warm.

4. Ensure every child is loved.

5. Build more schools and make education 'child' centred and child led.

6. Employ more adults in schools to reduce the number of children per adult.

7. Enable learning that is fit for now and the future.

8. Regulare check ups / support for parents. ( we do it for dogs ffs )

9. Educate parents and teach them how to be the authority in their own home.

10 . Stop fucking giving 'babies' control over adult affairs.

7a Make movement / physical activity the main part of the curriculum but as child led movement / more child choice.

11. Stop the use of knives and stabbings and deaths as part of entertainment for kids on their own tv's in their own homes. It normalises it.

12.Take the 'soap operas' that are full of toxic adults and warped personalities of t.v. ( it normalises this shite )

13. Make it harder to have a child than it is to own a dog.

14. Take off all the MURDER and CRIME programmes that ghouls feast on. ( they are REAL deaths )

15. Take off all the Coppers doing this n that programmes. They look like dumb twats and don't command respect.

16. Have more interventions for mental health cos these kids are disturbed if they can just shove a blade through another human being.

17. Stop having a society where adults can't help but be obsessed with chasing money etc to feed their children. They have no choice.

18. Bring back community where everyone looked out for everyone else.

19. Do our utmost to create equal societies where children are not affected by feeling psychologically inferior and alienated.

20. Employ EVERYBODY...... make it compulsory to do community work if you are not attending school or not working.

Just shove more dreams this way to stick in my pipe........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That stats to point to this being a crime committed and effecting primarily black men under 25

But you want then to ignore that and focus on the work being done on the community

I agree that the community work is what stops knife crime over the next generation

But I disagree that we should ignore such blatant patterns in the data and statistics because it’s making someone uncomfortable, because that doesn’t stop the knife crime that’s happening now

Complicated situation and I feel for people of the black community getting stopped more often, but I feel more for the members of the black community that are putting their loved ones to rest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1. Feed every child.

2. Clothe every child.

3. Keep every child warm.

4. Ensure every child is loved.

5. Build more schools and make education 'child' centred and child led.

6. Employ more adults in schools to reduce the number of children per adult.

7. Enable learning that is fit for now and the future.

8. Regulare check ups / support for parents. ( we do it for dogs ffs )

9. Educate parents and teach them how to be the authority in their own home.

10 . Stop fucking giving 'babies' control over adult affairs.

7a Make movement / physical activity the main part of the curriculum but as child led movement / more child choice.

11. Stop the use of knives and stabbings and deaths as part of entertainment for kids on their own tv's in their own homes. It normalises it.

12.Take the 'soap operas' that are full of toxic adults and warped personalities of t.v. ( it normalises this shite )

13. Make it harder to have a child than it is to own a dog.

14. Take off all the MURDER and CRIME programmes that ghouls feast on. ( they are REAL deaths )

15. Take off all the Coppers doing this n that programmes. They look like dumb twats and don't command respect.

16. Have more interventions for mental health cos these kids are disturbed if they can just shove a blade through another human being.

17. Stop having a society where adults can't help but be obsessed with chasing money etc to feed their children. They have no choice.

18. Bring back community where everyone looked out for everyone else.

19. Do our utmost to create equal societies where children are not affected by feeling psychologically inferior and alienated.

20. Employ EVERYBODY...... make it compulsory to do community work if you are not attending school or not working.

Just shove more dreams this way to stick in my pipe........

"
As per, Granny’s nailed it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stop blaming inanimate objects for the appalling behaviour of fuckwit humans..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop blaming inanimate objects for the appalling behaviour of fuckwit humans.."

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By *tooveMan over a year ago

belfast

Oh for fuck sake. The only people to blame are the scumbags doing the stabbing.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

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By *tooveMan over a year ago

belfast

"Not enough police on the street and alot of this "you are only stopping me cause I am black" rubbish.

Stop and search is unfairly targeted at ethnic minorities. You may call it rubbish but statistically you're incorrect.

"Police need to end the overuse of stops and searches on black and ethnic minorities, a watchdog has said.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct is calling for guidelines that protect minorities from being stopped due to stereotypes and racial bias."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61167875

I've showed evidence of racial bias issues in stop and search and your response is "police can't do their jobs without the race card being deployed". That's not logical. "

It's aimed at those doing the crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1. Feed every child.

2. Clothe every child.

3. Keep every child warm.

4. Ensure every child is loved.

5. Build more schools and make education 'child' centred and child led.

6. Employ more adults in schools to reduce the number of children per adult.

7. Enable learning that is fit for now and the future.

8. Regulare check ups / support for parents. ( we do it for dogs ffs )

9. Educate parents and teach them how to be the authority in their own home.

10 . Stop fucking giving 'babies' control over adult affairs.

7a Make movement / physical activity the main part of the curriculum but as child led movement / more child choice.

11. Stop the use of knives and stabbings and deaths as part of entertainment for kids on their own tv's in their own homes. It normalises it.

12.Take the 'soap operas' that are full of toxic adults and warped personalities of t.v. ( it normalises this shite )

13. Make it harder to have a child than it is to own a dog.

14. Take off all the MURDER and CRIME programmes that ghouls feast on. ( they are REAL deaths )

15. Take off all the Coppers doing this n that programmes. They look like dumb twats and don't command respect.

16. Have more interventions for mental health cos these kids are disturbed if they can just shove a blade through another human being.

17. Stop having a society where adults can't help but be obsessed with chasing money etc to feed their children. They have no choice.

18. Bring back community where everyone looked out for everyone else.

19. Do our utmost to create equal societies where children are not affected by feeling psychologically inferior and alienated.

20. Employ EVERYBODY...... make it compulsory to do community work if you are not attending school or not working.

Just shove more dreams this way to stick in my pipe........

As per, Granny’s nailed it."
…bar 18/20 (school most definitely isn’t the be all and all, I’d go as far to say it’s the actual cause of many of these issues and have we ever really had community)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s guns now , I grew up in notts when it was nicknamed shottingham

Get tough on crime and ban weapon sales simple . Otherwise the gangs takeover and innocents occasionally get in the cross fire"

Do they have 'Criminal Weapons R Us' shops in Nottingham?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That stats to point to this being a crime committed and effecting primarily black men under 25

But you want then to ignore that and focus on the work being done on the community

I agree that the community work is what stops knife crime over the next generation

But I disagree that we should ignore such blatant patterns in the data and statistics because it’s making someone uncomfortable, because that doesn’t stop the knife crime that’s happening now

Complicated situation and I feel for people of the black community getting stopped more often, but I feel more for the members of the black community that are putting their loved ones to rest"
the work being done in London *IS* being done by people from communities affected by the issues. Reliance on stop and search gives police powers to harass young, like you said, predominantly Black, boys. There’s psychologists that have written about their experience working with Black boys who have trauma around being stopped so often by the police and having negative experiences. People always neglect to acknowledge the issues of these things. Historically and presently police contact with Black people leads to disproportionate force and or more likely negative things happening. Those are things supported by experiences of people and by stats.

It is possible, by supporting the sector and the work being done in it, to tackle knife crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That stats to point to this being a crime committed and effecting primarily black men under 25

But you want then to ignore that and focus on the work being done on the community

I agree that the community work is what stops knife crime over the next generation

But I disagree that we should ignore such blatant patterns in the data and statistics because it’s making someone uncomfortable, because that doesn’t stop the knife crime that’s happening now

Complicated situation and I feel for people of the black community getting stopped more often, but I feel more for the members of the black community that are putting their loved ones to restthe work being done in London *IS* being done by people from communities affected by the issues. Reliance on stop and search gives police powers to harass young, like you said, predominantly Black, boys. There’s psychologists that have written about their experience working with Black boys who have trauma around being stopped so often by the police and having negative experiences. People always neglect to acknowledge the issues of these things. Historically and presently police contact with Black people leads to disproportionate force and or more likely negative things happening. Those are things supported by experiences of people and by stats.

It is possible, by supporting the sector and the work being done in it, to tackle knife crime."

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

When I saw knife crime in London in this morning’s Metro newspaper I was hoping it wasn’t in my part of London. I live in Edmonton as a lot of people no longer call it Edmonton but Stabmonton as so much knife crime happens that doesn’t get reported.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1. Feed every child.

2. Clothe every child.

3. Keep every child warm.

4. Ensure every child is loved.

5. Build more schools and make education 'child' centred and child led.

6. Employ more adults in schools to reduce the number of children per adult.

7. Enable learning that is fit for now and the future.

8. Regulare check ups / support for parents. ( we do it for dogs ffs )

9. Educate parents and teach them how to be the authority in their own home.

10 . Stop fucking giving 'babies' control over adult affairs.

7a Make movement / physical activity the main part of the curriculum but as child led movement / more child choice.

11. Stop the use of knives and stabbings and deaths as part of entertainment for kids on their own tv's in their own homes. It normalises it.

12.Take the 'soap operas' that are full of toxic adults and warped personalities of t.v. ( it normalises this shite )

13. Make it harder to have a child than it is to own a dog.

14. Take off all the MURDER and CRIME programmes that ghouls feast on. ( they are REAL deaths )

15. Take off all the Coppers doing this n that programmes. They look like dumb twats and don't command respect.

16. Have more interventions for mental health cos these kids are disturbed if they can just shove a blade through another human being.

17. Stop having a society where adults can't help but be obsessed with chasing money etc to feed their children. They have no choice.

18. Bring back community where everyone looked out for everyone else.

19. Do our utmost to create equal societies where children are not affected by feeling psychologically inferior and alienated.

20. Employ EVERYBODY...... make it compulsory to do community work if you are not attending school or not working.

Just shove more dreams this way to stick in my pipe........

I don't believe in pipe dreams. Concrete action matters. Not "it would be nice if..."

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Stop blaming inanimate objects for the appalling behaviour of fuckwit humans..

Who here is blaming the knives?

I mean really?!

That comment really is a prelude for guns imo.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment "

But plenty of people in those areas still need policing and still want it. Just because they object to the specific overpolicing of Black children and adults, that has never solved the issue of crime When it has been used, doesn’t mean they don’t want or deserve policing.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"Make it a minimum 20 years in prison with no parole for anyone caught carrying a knife in public whether they have used it or not. Employ more police, increase stop and search.

Or just anyone gets caught with a knife gets put in big arena with the doors locked and go hunger games style, last man or woman standing gets to live, "

I don’t disagree, it has got ridiculous but specifically how would you word the law? When it comes to law the small print is always the difficulty! If I go to the shop to buy kitchen ware I don’t want a 20 year term for being stopped on the way home. When biking I carry a multi tool for any mechanical issues, it includes a very handy knife... As a farmer either that multi tool or a penknife lives in my work clothes pocket, will I get 20 years if I forget to take it out my pocket before I pop into Lidl between jobs. What about the unwilling gang member, perhaps someone with learning difficulties who is not really a bad kid, would never use the knife but is forced to be the gangs knife mule by more dangerous gang members, do they deserve to do 20? What about the “it’s not mine,I just found it in the street and it looked dangerous so I picked it up to hand it in”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

That’s the problem though, stop and search can be effective if it’s used properly.

But if these communities don’t want it, crack on I say.

Since I don’t live in a community where knife crime is really common, I can’t say my opinion holds much weight. So if they want kids to be able to carry knives knowing full well they’ll never be stopped or searched, then let the community have it

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By *immyinreadingMan over a year ago

henley on thames

What are “the social causes of knife crime”?

Are you referring to youngsters being dragged into gang culture?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

By all means increase and enforce prison terms, but we need to sort out prisons first.

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By *immyinreadingMan over a year ago

henley on thames

The Croydon killing is terrible. I haven’t seen much detail about the killer’s background, history, medical history etc. but some people seem to be jumping to very clear conclusions about him and the factors that brought him to this point.

For example, was the murder down to misogyny? Or does he have the same disregard for life regardless of gender? Would he have killed a boy over a small disagreement? I don’t pretend I know. Is he mentally ill? I’ll leave that for doctors to establish.

I don’t buy the line that killings like this are a direct consequence of youth clubs closing though.

I don’t know what the answer is in terms of stamping out knife crime. But I do agree that focussing completely on knives would just shift kids to another form of weapon.

Tragic situation, no easy solution.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

Where crime statistics show a certain demographic are involved in a disproportionate amount of crime in a given area is it so wrong for an equivalent disproportion to exist in stop and search statistics?

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What are “the social causes of knife crime”?

Are you referring to youngsters being dragged into gang culture? "

And the factors that make young people vulnerable to being groomed by gangs and gang culture.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

That’s the problem though, stop and search can be effective if it’s used properly.

But if these communities don’t want it, crack on I say.

Yep that’s what these communities want

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What are “the social causes of knife crime”?

Are you referring to youngsters being dragged into gang culture?

And the factors that make young people vulnerable to being groomed by gangs and gang culture.

Largely poverty. The root cause of so much, especially in cities.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

No, we should search white females aged 55+ equally as often as everyone else

I know peoples children are dying in the street from multiple stab wounds, but we have to keep things fair and equal. If you think being stabbed is traumatic, try being stopped and searched sometime, it’s fucking awful.

Some of the grannies out there have bags big enough to fit a machete in

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By *ersiantugMan over a year ago

Cardiff

I don't get the conflation of knives and guns.

There isn't much correlation, it really is about the ease and use of knives (often just sharp kitchen knives - but it's all you need), mostly as a part of youth gang culture. The intention typically isn't to actually kill of course. A lot of the kids end up in hospital and don't press charges.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

I think given that the impact of stop and search doesn’t seem to be that it reduces crime in the way that it’s imagined but does have a negative impact on the (innocent) people they harass I think it’s fair for people that are affected by that to take issue with it. But at the end of the day, the govt are going to do what they want.

If the govt wants to give the police more powers then whatever but if they’re going to pretend they care about the victims of youth violence and of other gang related stuff, they could always invest in communities and in organisations that are on the ground and best placed to tackle those issues. If they’re serious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a teenage lad I was stopped and searched when I was walking the streets after a row with my parents. They asked me what I’d done - told them nothing. They asked me again, what had I done. Again, I told them nothing, I was walking and clearing my head.

They told me that I had two options, tell them what I’d done, or they could find something on me and have me ‘taken in’ for that.

As a 16-17 year old, I was shitting bricks. As luck would have it, they got a call on a radio and buggered off after a couple of minutes of threatening to find ‘something’ on me.

I’m certain that’s not how the majority of stop and searches go, but I often think of that night when the subject arises. Some coppers (not all) are absolute scum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then in my opinion, let them have at it

These areas don’t want have have stop and search, it’s that community’s decision I guess

They know best, so much so I don’t even know why we open the topic for discussion

Pull the police out of these areas entirely for a few years, see how these communities get on. Would be an interesting social experiment

No, we should search white females aged 55+ equally as often as everyone else

Some of the grannies out there have bags big enough to fit a machete in "

I read that stops of white boys for drugs offences are more likely to be ‘successful’. But they’re still 8 times less likely to be stopped.

Also you can keep giving this sarcasm but historically I’d like you to evidence when stop and search has ever been as successful as people imagine it to be?

I just find it funny that academics and researchers have written about things like this and it’s boiled down on the internet to ‘just stop people more’