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"She turned up as a surprise for valentines day so maybe he shot several times in quick succession because he thought it was a burglar? " In one report it said it happened at 3am - odd time for a Valentines surprise. Also, police had been called out to domestic disturbances before - apparently. No doubt in time a lot of facts will come out - but until then we can only speculate. | |||
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"Seems odd you would shoots someone 4 times without realising it was your girlfriend. " Seems more odd that he would commit such a terrible crime against his girlfriend especially with such a high profile, but nothing would surprise me! | |||
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"She turned up as a surprise for valentines day so maybe he shot several times in quick succession because he thought it was a burglar? In one report it said it happened at 3am - odd time for a Valentines surprise. Also, police had been called out to domestic disturbances before - apparently. No doubt in time a lot of facts will come out - but until then we can only speculate." The impression I've gleaned is he's not a nice person and his past "wrongdoings" have been covered up because of his disability. One report stated if Usain Bolt did the things Oscar did the world and his wife would know. I can't believe he'd fuck up his life for killing a woman he'd only recently started dating unless he was high! Truth is we can speculate all we want, the full truth may never be known, but he's innocent until proven guilty. | |||
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"New evidence has been found outside the residence near a window that could acquit Oscar!! Footprints!! "Took me a while...  | |||
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"South Africans are renowned for keeping weapons close by and are quite paranoid. Besides why would he want to murder her, he must have known his high profile would gather too much headline!" Only if it was premeditated would he think such things through. | |||
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"She turned up as a surprise for valentines day so maybe he shot several times in quick succession because he thought it was a burglar? In one report it said it happened at 3am - odd time for a Valentines surprise. Also, police had been called out to domestic disturbances before - apparently. No doubt in time a lot of facts will come out - but until then we can only speculate. The impression I've gleaned is he's not a nice person and his past "wrongdoings" have been covered up because of his disability. One report stated if Usain Bolt did the things Oscar did the world and his wife would know. I can't believe he'd fuck up his life for killing a woman he'd only recently started dating unless he was high! Truth is we can speculate all we want, the full truth may never be known, but he's innocent until proven guilty." I've read similar speculation about him. In addition to the connents about police attending previously there is at least one recorded incident of him hitting a woman at a party. | |||
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"you dont shoot some one 4x by accident "
I'm guessing she would have cried out after the first one, assuming it was a body shot. | |||
" do think it is very considerate when people say 'shoot the possible armed burglar in violence torn South Africa in the leg'... they may thank you for your consideration by shooting you in the head " It's almost impossible to just shoot to wound, you nearly always end up missing. You always aim centre mass and in a self defense situation use a minimum of a double tap. It's the only way to ensure you stop your would-be attacker. The fact he shot more than once leads me to believe he was genuinely in fear of his life. A single shot would have been a premeditated execution whereas a full magazine would indicate a crime of passion or heat of the moment anger. 4 rounds to me says self defense, remember that South Africa is an incredibly violent place at times. I could be wrong, but that's currently my take on the situation... | |||
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"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. " I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. | |||
"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting." Defending himself from whom? | |||
" do think it is very considerate when people say 'shoot the possible armed burglar in violence torn South Africa in the leg'... they may thank you for your consideration by shooting you in the head It's almost impossible to just shoot to wound, you nearly always end up missing. You always aim centre mass and in a self defense situation use a minimum of a double tap. It's the only way to ensure you stop your would-be attacker. The fact he shot more than once leads me to believe he was genuinely in fear of his life. A single shot would have been a premeditated execution whereas a full magazine would indicate a crime of passion or heat of the moment anger. 4 rounds to me says self defense, remember that South Africa is an incredibly violent place at times. I could be wrong, but that's currently my take on the situation..." ditto, anyone who has trained in small arms is taught 'double tap' in a close quarters situation.. shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. if they are still a threat then one in the head.. | |||
" As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting." I've read that too. Doesn't mean it's true. | |||
" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .." Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no? | |||
" I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. Defending himself from whom? " No doubt his legal defence will be that he didn't know who he thought he needed to defend himslf from. "It was late, it was dark, I'd only just woken up, I wasn't expected her ......... " | |||
"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. Defending himself from whom? " I don't understand all the talk of self defence, the police have stated that they have no idea of where the burglar theory has come from. And he is being charged with premeditated murder. Like you say who was he defending himself from? | |||
" ditto, anyone who has trained in small arms is taught 'double tap' in a close quarters situation.. .......... ................." Was he trained in small arms? I doubt it. I suspect he went into a shop and bought a sidearm. | |||
"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. Defending himself from whom? I don't understand all the talk of self defence, the police have stated that they have no idea of where the burglar theory has come from. And he is being charged with premeditated murder. Like you say who was he defending himself from?" We only have his evidence that he was shooting in self defence and that he had been asleep. Who knows? As I said before this is all only so much speculation - until it comes to trial we cannot know - and we may not find out everything even then. | |||
" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no?" its a difficult one and we are all making assumptions based on what we have heard etc.. there are about 15,000 reported murders a year in SA.. supposition but if you lived in a gated compound, and woke and found someone in your room in the dark you may think 'how did they get here'?.. chuck in other factors, being 'in drink' or other substances, state of mind, any previous similar situations etc etc.. again we dont know the facts.. in that type of society where violence and murder is of a higher frequency than most places i am not sure if people would wait to ascertain whom and why?.. luckily we dont live like that... | |||
" ditto, anyone who has trained in small arms is taught 'double tap' in a close quarters situation.. .......... ................. Was he trained in small arms? I doubt it. I suspect he went into a shop and bought a sidearm. " again who knows, not that au fait with their gun laws and practises with ownership etc | |||
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"We only have his evidence that he was shooting in self defence and that he had been asleep. Who knows? As I said before this is all only so much speculation - until it comes to trial we cannot know - and we may not find out everything even then." The trouble is we don't have HIS evidence at all. As far as I know he hasn't even entered a plea, far less tried to explain what happened. As someone in the pub said last night, the trouble with acting in 'self defence' like this is that you're damned if you do and dead if you don't. | |||
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" do think it is very considerate when people say 'shoot the possible armed burglar in violence torn South Africa in the leg'... they may thank you for your consideration by shooting you in the head " Especially if they have prosthetics too. | |||
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"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. Defending himself from whom? " Have you seen the figures for armed home invasion/murders in SA? It was late at night, dark and he was asleep. Yes, he may have lived in a nice part of town but that makes him a bigger target. He is woken by'someone' in his room, they've not identified themselves and he.wasn't expecting a.late night visit from anyone. Sadly the victim was his completely innocent girlfriend surprising him on Valentine's day. It's tragic, it really is, but I can't help but feel its just a horrible case of mistaken identity, he believed he was being burgled and his life was in danger and he shot first. | |||
"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. Defending himself from whom? Have you seen the figures for armed home invasion/murders in SA? It was late at night, dark and he was asleep. Yes, he may have lived in a nice part of town but that makes him a bigger target. He is woken by'someone' in his room, they've not identified themselves and he.wasn't expecting a.late night visit from anyone. Sadly the victim was his completely innocent girlfriend surprising him on Valentine's day. It's tragic, it really is, but I can't help but feel its just a horrible case of mistaken identity, he believed he was being burgled and his life was in danger and he shot first." yeah. things have moved on a bit evidence wise. like a cricket bat covered in blood. either she attacked him with it or he attacked her with it or he used it to smash down the bathroom door down in order to shoot her in the face..it would seem | |||
"I suspect if I awoke in the middle of the night in a country where crime is as rife as it seems to be in South Africa to find an unexpected visitor in my bedroom, I'd probably shoot at them too if a firearm was handy. As for shooting to wound; that ain't so easy in perfect conditions. In the dark when just awake it's probably impossible, except by accident. As for how many shots, I doubt we'll know for sure until the trial. I'm sure I read that it was 4 rounds, which is perfectly feasible for a self defense shooting. Defending himself from whom? Have you seen the figures for armed home invasion/murders in SA? It was late at night, dark and he was asleep. Yes, he may have lived in a nice part of town but that makes him a bigger target. He is woken by'someone' in his room, they've not identified themselves and he.wasn't expecting a.late night visit from anyone. Sadly the victim was his completely innocent girlfriend surprising him on Valentine's day. It's tragic, it really is, but I can't help but feel its just a horrible case of mistaken identity, he believed he was being burgled and his life was in danger and he shot first. yeah. things have moved on a bit evidence wise. like a cricket bat covered in blood. either she attacked him with it or he attacked her with it or he used it to smash down the bathroom door down in order to shoot her in the face..it would seem" Aaah, I've not seen the news yet, so didn't know about that. I guess we'll know when the results of the blood match come back then... | |||
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" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no?" He shot her through the bathroom door, so I don't know what the immediate threat would be. | |||
" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no? He shot her through the bathroom door, so I don't know what the immediate threat would be." I knew not of those details when I posted. If what's being said in the above newspaper quote is true, then its pretty damming evidence that he killed her in cold blood. | |||
" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no? He shot her through the bathroom door, so I don't know what the immediate threat would be." May be he thought she was a Dalek..... if she still had the cricket bat sticking out of her head. | |||
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" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no? He shot her through the bathroom door, so I don't know what the immediate threat would be. May be he thought she was a Dalek..... if she still had the cricket bat sticking out of her head." | |||
"Am I the only one here who thinks whatever the outcome is,it's the lawyers who'll benefit from all this media obsessed world..... "They will earn every penny spinning it to make Oscar look like a saint and the woman a raving loon! | |||
" shooting to wound is a media myth, in a live scenario with someone woken by someone else whom they deem to be a threat will put 2 into the body area as their first instant action.. .. Perhaps it would be a good idea to ascertain they actually pose a real threat before shooting them in the face, no? He shot her through the bathroom door, so I don't know what the immediate threat would be." He's tweeted before about mistaking his washing machine for an intruder, I must admit when I read that I thought he sounded like someone that did too much . | |||
" He's tweeted before about mistaking his washing machine for an intruder," seriously?  | |||
"Am I the only one here who thinks whatever the outcome is,it's the lawyers who'll benefit from all this media obsessed world.....
They will earn every penny spinning it to make Oscar look like a saint and the woman a raving loon! "It's a sad inevitability that discrediting her will be a key part of his defence. | |||
" He's tweeted before about mistaking his washing machine for an intruder, I must admit when I read that I thought he sounded like someone that did too much ." I haven't seen that reported but it then begs the question what stopped him shooting the washing machine? | |||
"Am I the only one here who thinks whatever the outcome is,it's the lawyers who'll benefit from all this media obsessed world.....
They will earn every penny spinning it to make Oscar look like a saint and the woman a raving loon!
It's a sad inevitability that discrediting her will be a key part of his defence."The sad part is that this story is about Oscar and not about Reeva. | |||
" He's tweeted before about mistaking his washing machine for an intruder, seriously? "Apparently so. It was a self deprecating tweet about going into combat mode. | |||
" He's tweeted before about mistaking his washing machine for an intruder, I must admit when I read that I thought he sounded like someone that did too much . I haven't seen that reported but it then begs the question what stopped him shooting the washing machine?" It too was fully loaded | |||
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