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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females? |
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I'm not so sure about this.
But perhaps it's something like this.
Women tend to like their men to be manly.
Being gay is often seen as a non manly thing (though in my opinion it's about as manly as it gets)...
Seeing their partner do things that make him "less of a man" is a huge turn off.
As a counterpoint though, and I'm sure many women will agree with me; guy on guy can be seriously hot and there are many women that love to see same sex action as much as guys do. |
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By *lsiePTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think guys being with guys is seen as unmasculine, which is such a shame. Men hold themselves to such high standards in order to be a real man and it's unfair on them.
If I had a boyfriend, I'd love to watch him with guys. Raw masculine sexuality is so hot. |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?
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I just don't think it's generally true tbh. I think the 'hot lesbian woo' thing re blokes is a bit of a cliche too.
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?
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I just don't think it's generally true tbh. I think the 'hot lesbian woo' thing re blokes is a bit of a cliche too.
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It is... I've seen more guys get upset when their girlfriends do lesbian things in front of them like it's something their supposed to enjoy |
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"How does that equate to tolerance of homosexuality?"
In a nutshell
Lesbian = hot and sexy
Gay = not hot or sexy
It's the difference in how the two are perceived and tolerated within relationships... I think. |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?
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I just don't think it's generally true tbh. I think the 'hot lesbian woo' thing re blokes is a bit of a cliche too.
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It is... I've seen more guys get upset when their girlfriends do lesbian things in front of them like it's something their supposed to enjoy
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I think all people in relationships can get naturally protective, including gay relationships (though social conditioning might work there in terms of allowing different things - bisexuals like me have not always been looked that well on though, even by them). pt |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How does that equate to tolerance of homosexuality?
In a nutshell
Lesbian = hot and sexy
Gay = not hot or sexy
It's the difference in how the two are perceived and tolerated within relationships... I think."
Yes, pretty much this. Thanks for the concise and eloquent explanation.
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By *elloWoman
over a year ago
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?"
Personally I prefer a Bi male partner, I really enjoy watching them with other men but I do agree women generally are not accepting of this.
And with the men enjoying watching their woman with another woman I've seen the men get irked when his woman enjoys this scenario too much, majority of guys like it when 2 women play with each other for the pleasure of the man watching rather than pleasuring themselves for their own enjoyment whilst the guy watches lonely and horny from the sidelines |
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"How does that equate to tolerance of homosexuality?
In a nutshell
Lesbian = hot and sexy
Gay = not hot or sexy
It's the difference in how the two are perceived and tolerated within relationships... I think."
Would you mind going into more detail into how you believe they are perceived?
I am intrigued. |
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"How does that equate to tolerance of homosexuality?
In a nutshell
Lesbian = hot and sexy
Gay = not hot or sexy
It's the difference in how the two are perceived and tolerated within relationships... I think.
Would you mind going into more detail into how you believe they are perceived?
I am intrigued."
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"How does that equate to tolerance of homosexuality?
In a nutshell
Lesbian = hot and sexy
Gay = not hot or sexy
It's the difference in how the two are perceived and tolerated within relationships... I think.
Would you mind going into more detail into how you believe they are perceived?
I am intrigued.
Nah I'm good thanks "
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?"
First the world gone mad.you said straight relationships. in that women are accepting the man kissing or interacting with another man .if its straight relationship then it should be man woman end of.but yes you make a good point men accept women kissing or having sex with another woman because its a turn on and they hope they get crack at the other woman.a real straight man which im one .not so called fab straight man has no interest in other men .
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't think there's anything at all unusual about a woman not enjoying the sight of her male partner with another man "
I never said it was unusual. I said it was generally a very different response to the male equivalent |
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Iit shouldn’t be about tolerance when it comes to identity. It implies that there’s something inherently wrong with something, if it has to be tolerated. If someone is merely “tolerating” you sucking cock, then you’re with the wrong gal!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How does that equate to tolerance of homosexuality?
In a nutshell
Lesbian = hot and sexy
Gay = not hot or sexy
It's the difference in how the two are perceived and tolerated within relationships... I think."
2 women is likely seen as porn by the man. Not real, just something for him to get off on.
Whereas a woman may not be as likely to watch gay man porn so not be turned on by it. Making it less appealing and more of an 'issue'.
Also bisexuality is often seen as a lie. 2 men together.... Gay. 2 women together... porn.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Iit shouldn’t be about tolerance when it comes to identity. It implies that there’s something inherently wrong with something, if it has to be tolerated. If someone is merely “tolerating” you sucking cock, then you’re with the wrong gal! "
It is not tolerating the fact that 2 gay men are together and so, that is inherently wrong. It is tolerating the fact that 1 of the men is your husband who you always thought just liked women but has declared an interest in men. This could instantly alter how you see and feel about the relationship and therefore yes the word is whether you can tolerate these feelings and stay with him. |
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Is this in "normal" relationships or the swinging world op? Religion, community, values, environment, education, upbringing, friends and family pressures will surely all play a part just like they do any other aspects of relationships. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Two women together is seen as harmless sexy fun and women are doing it cos men like it yeah.
Two men together undermines the masculinity of every man on the site and means they might not get a meet with a couple or a chance with a woman.
Amirite?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before? "
On Fab? |
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before? "
If you're gonna do the sex with someone, don't you think their sexual history is important? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before? "
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.  |
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
If you're gonna do the sex with someone, don't you think their sexual history is important? "
Not really no in a club environment. I am not going to have the time or patience / interest to drive into peoples directives and functioning . I just want to fuck and if people are physically turned on with each other then crack on get stuck in
Outside of a club sure you are going to have crawl through the process of bacon/ forth discussion questions before getting a meet or no interest .
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference. "
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.? "
It's quite an individual thing so I can't say. Personally I have never differentiated between straight men and bi men. I've found both attractive.
Is "bi only" phobic? It doesn't feel like it - feels like a positive preference and from those who have a specific experience in mind.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.? "
The word phobia has lost so much meaning because of its constant dishonest use in arguments like this. Dating by its very nature is discriminatory and its done naturally and instinctively by 99% of people. Am I fat phobic if I don't date larger BBW girls? No, it means I have a preference for smaller girls. Negative spin all the time is just tiring and dishonest |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
On Fab?"
Absolutely, it’s very common
I’d say it’s mostly women too |
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The bloke puffing his chest out further up claiming a straight relationship should be just a man and a woman but it's ok if his wife gets with a woman because there's something in it for him sums up all of these negative attitudes in a nutshell.
Woman experimenting with woman= still has to be fully straight because it's healthy and harmless fun. There's also something in it for the male partner.
Man experimenting with man= definitely has to be lying about his sexual preferences, is dishonest and is at best bisexual because self-proclaimed 'not-fab-straight' men and women have no comprehension of things outside of their own experiences.
And then people wonder why men aren't open to suggestions that they might be curious. Is this definitely a site for people who want to be sexually adventurous? Soooo much judgment. |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?"
My husband is bi I bloody love watching him with another guy ...  |
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.? "
In my opinion they come from the fact that women like masculinity and being with another man isn’t seen as masculine
It’s just my experience but it tends to be mostly women pushing the “no bi men” thing |
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.?
The word phobia has lost so much meaning because of its constant dishonest use in arguments like this. Dating by its very nature is discriminatory and its done naturally and instinctively by 99% of people. Am I fat phobic if I don't date larger BBW girls? No, it means I have a preference for smaller girls. Negative spin all the time is just tiring and dishonest "
Fully agree, whenever I see 'phobia' used it this way, it really does make my eyes roll in real life |
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.?
The word phobia has lost so much meaning because of its constant dishonest use in arguments like this. Dating by its very nature is discriminatory and its done naturally and instinctively by 99% of people. Am I fat phobic if I don't date larger BBW girls? No, it means I have a preference for smaller girls. Negative spin all the time is just tiring and dishonest "
Now that is a refreshing argument. |
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I can't speak for anyone else but I myself would have no problem with it. I'm bisexual so would never judge someone on their own sexuality . I believe in people being true to themselves. |
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"The amount of people saying “no bi men” is unreal
To each their own, but your husbands rough and I wouldn’t wanna touch him anyways
It’s like they assume because I’m Bi that I’m not able to control myself and I’ll try to fuck any guy nearby without consent
It’s even weirder when I see single women saying it
Excluding and judging me based on my sexual history? Where have we seen that played out before?
Lots of biphobia here sadly. I imagine that's why lots of guys are "fab straight". People will say "it's preference" in the same way that "no Asians" is preference.
Where do those "preferences" come from though? What of those who say "bi only" is that equally phobic.? Doesn't feel it, but logically if one is phobic then so is the other.?
The word phobia has lost so much meaning because of its constant dishonest use in arguments like this. Dating by its very nature is discriminatory and its done naturally and instinctively by 99% of people. Am I fat phobic if I don't date larger BBW girls? No, it means I have a preference for smaller girls. Negative spin all the time is just tiring and dishonest "
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I think men tend not to care because they see gay/ bi women being with other women as desirable. Weird but true. I mean look at how many men watch girl on girl.
But also I think women’s and wider societal attitudes towards men that have sex with men is also at play here. |
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"The bloke puffing his chest out further up claiming a straight relationship should be just a man and a woman but it's ok if his wife gets with a woman because there's something in it for him sums up all of these negative attitudes in a nutshell.
Woman experimenting with woman= still has to be fully straight because it's healthy and harmless fun. There's also something in it for the male partner.
Man experimenting with man= definitely has to be lying about his sexual preferences, is dishonest and is at best bisexual because self-proclaimed 'not-fab-straight' men and women have no comprehension of things outside of their own experiences.
And then people wonder why men aren't open to suggestions that they might be curious. Is this definitely a site for people who want to be sexually adventurous? Soooo much judgment. "
You make some interesting points
But man would have to Puff out his chest declaring he straight if wasn't for all these others out there going about how they are and we should accept that that its perfectly normal to identify as frog or whatever and we just have to go along with it. I've no problem with people different sexualities or gay or bi men if they kept to them dam selve and in private with whoever they choose.I keep my sex life private .I simply brought up the fact I'm straight and happy that way and not gender fexable in anyway .because I'm sick of of these posts from men who want to have sex with men what say their a plant pot. ffs. |
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"The bloke puffing his chest out further up claiming a straight relationship should be just a man and a woman but it's ok if his wife gets with a woman because there's something in it for him sums up all of these negative attitudes in a nutshell.
Woman experimenting with woman= still has to be fully straight because it's healthy and harmless fun. There's also something in it for the male partner.
Man experimenting with man= definitely has to be lying about his sexual preferences, is dishonest and is at best bisexual because self-proclaimed 'not-fab-straight' men and women have no comprehension of things outside of their own experiences.
And then people wonder why men aren't open to suggestions that they might be curious. Is this definitely a site for people who want to be sexually adventurous? Soooo much judgment.
You make some interesting points
But man would have to Puff out his chest declaring he straight if wasn't for all these others out there going about how they are and we should accept that that its perfectly normal to identify as frog or whatever and we just have to go along with it. I've no problem with people different sexualities or gay or bi men if they kept to them dam selve and in private with whoever they choose.I keep my sex life private .I simply brought up the fact I'm straight and happy that way and not gender fexable in anyway .because I'm sick of of these posts from men who want to have sex with men what say their a plant pot. ffs."
No gay person is bothered you're straight so you shouldn't be bothered about gay people. Nobody should have to hide either. This isn't 1950. That people are more open now about their sexuality aligns them with what heterosexual couples have been able to do without threat for hundreds of years.
The gender identity stuff is a different topic. One is about how you'd like to present and this is about who you're attracted to and sexual preference. Don't conflate the two. |
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I don’t think it has anything to do with tolerance of homosexuality.
I find 2 women together extremely hot. I don’t find 2 men together hot at all. Nothing to do with society etc. Even if every woman alive found it hot I still wouldn’t. |
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"I don’t think it has anything to do with tolerance of homosexuality.
I find 2 women together extremely hot. I don’t find 2 men together hot at all. Nothing to do with society etc. Even if every woman alive found it hot I still wouldn’t. "
Tolerance isn’t about finding it hot
It’s about not finding it disgusting
Plenty of people openly express their disgust at the idea of bi men or men being together, I’ve experienced it on here
Or that have views that a bisexual guy won’t be able to play with a straight couple because bi men are uncontrollable and will try it on with the male half of the couple against their will. As if being Bi diminished my ability to understand consent |
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"I don’t think it has anything to do with tolerance of homosexuality.
I find 2 women together extremely hot. I don’t find 2 men together hot at all. Nothing to do with society etc. Even if every woman alive found it hot I still wouldn’t.
Tolerance isn’t about finding it hot
It’s about not finding it disgusting
Plenty of people openly express their disgust at the idea of bi men or men being together, I’ve experienced it on here
Or that have views that a bisexual guy won’t be able to play with a straight couple because bi men are uncontrollable and will try it on with the male half of the couple against their will. As if being Bi diminished my ability to understand consent "
Which is what I said. Not wanted to see your man with another man is not intolerant of homosexuality. Hence the title doesn’t relate to the actual the thread. |
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"I don’t think it has anything to do with tolerance of homosexuality.
I find 2 women together extremely hot. I don’t find 2 men together hot at all. Nothing to do with society etc. Even if every woman alive found it hot I still wouldn’t.
Tolerance isn’t about finding it hot
It’s about not finding it disgusting
Plenty of people openly express their disgust at the idea of bi men or men being together, I’ve experienced it on here
Or that have views that a bisexual guy won’t be able to play with a straight couple because bi men are uncontrollable and will try it on with the male half of the couple against their will. As if being Bi diminished my ability to understand consent
Which is what I said. Not wanted to see your man with another man is not intolerant of homosexuality. Hence the title doesn’t relate to the actual the thread. "
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"The bloke puffing his chest out further up claiming a straight relationship should be just a man and a woman but it's ok if his wife gets with a woman because there's something in it for him sums up all of these negative attitudes in a nutshell.
Woman experimenting with woman= still has to be fully straight because it's healthy and harmless fun. There's also something in it for the male partner.
Man experimenting with man= definitely has to be lying about his sexual preferences, is dishonest and is at best bisexual because self-proclaimed 'not-fab-straight' men and women have no comprehension of things outside of their own experiences.
And then people wonder why men aren't open to suggestions that they might be curious. Is this definitely a site for people who want to be sexually adventurous? Soooo much judgment.
You make some interesting points
But man would have to Puff out his chest declaring he straight if wasn't for all these others out there going about how they are and we should accept that that its perfectly normal to identify as frog or whatever and we just have to go along with it. I've no problem with people different sexualities or gay or bi men if they kept to them dam selve and in private with whoever they choose.I keep my sex life private .I simply brought up the fact I'm straight and happy that way and not gender fexable in anyway .because I'm sick of of these posts from men who want to have sex with men what say their a plant pot. ffs.
No gay person is bothered you're straight so you shouldn't be bothered about gay people. Nobody should have to hide either. This isn't 1950. That people are more open now about their sexuality aligns them with what heterosexual couples have been able to do without threat for hundreds of years.
The gender identity stuff is a different topic. One is about how you'd like to present and this is about who you're attracted to and sexual preference. Don't conflate the two. "
The thread was about tolerating homosexuality I'm voice my point of view as you can also. But I can also make point about people who chooseing to be a flower pot should I wish too.
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How often does someone being a plant pot affect your life?
Like, in real life. Not spitting out your cornflakes because the news paper told you it’s happening
Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot |
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"I can't speak for anyone else but I myself would have no problem with it. I'm bisexual so would never judge someone on their own sexuality . I believe in people being true to themselves. "
Exactly. I think it would be very very hypocritical of me as a bi woman to judge anyone else on their sexual preferences. I don’t have a problem dating a straight or bi-curious / bi-sexual guy or a lesbian / bi woman.
But I agree there is some social conditioning. Years ago the first bi guy I was friends with introduced me to gay clips / porn and it wasn’t a turn on. Now I love it! And adore the idea of me and my partner in a MMF or MFF. |
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"I don’t think it has anything to do with tolerance of homosexuality.
I find 2 women together extremely hot. I don’t find 2 men together hot at all. Nothing to do with society etc. Even if every woman alive found it hot I still wouldn’t.
Tolerance isn’t about finding it hot
It’s about not finding it disgusting
Plenty of people openly express their disgust at the idea of bi men or men being together, I’ve experienced it on here
Or that have views that a bisexual guy won’t be able to play with a straight couple because bi men are uncontrollable and will try it on with the male half of the couple against their will. As if being Bi diminished my ability to understand consent "
Some bi men don't understand or care about consent.
Some men don't understand or care about consent.
Some people are put off bi men, some people are put off all men. |
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"Well I have read that women who find their husband is gay or bi feel a bigger betrayal than if it was a woman.
Who cares anyway? "
Perhaps because being gay or bi was a lie about them being straight so it feels like a double betrayal if they fuck a man.
Fucking a woman is just the single betrayal of cheating. |
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"Well I have read that women who find their husband is gay or bi feel a bigger betrayal than if it was a woman.
Who cares anyway?
Perhaps because being gay or bi was a lie about them being straight so it feels like a double betrayal if they fuck a man.
Fucking a woman is just the single betrayal of cheating. "
It wouldn't be different for men finding out their wife/gf with a woman. It's lying and cheating. |
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Not sure it's not being accepting of it so much as not being turned on by it. For those who get off on bi men or women it will be great but for those who arent then it's not great. Seeing same sex encounters does zero for me so no, I'd not enjoy seeing my man with another man but it doesnt mean I'm not accepting of it generally. |
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"Well I have read that women who find their husband is gay or bi feel a bigger betrayal than if it was a woman.
Who cares anyway?
Perhaps because being gay or bi was a lie about them being straight so it feels like a double betrayal if they fuck a man.
Fucking a woman is just the single betrayal of cheating. "
There’s probably an element of how easier it is too
It’s extremely easy to cheat if your a bi guy, extremely easy to hide, so I wonder if that puts extra doubt in their mind about how often it’s happened |
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Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot "
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day. |
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Who cares anyway?
Perhaps because being gay or bi was a lie about them being straight so it feels like a double betrayal if they fuck a man.
Fucking a woman is just the single betrayal of cheating.
It wouldn't be different for men finding out their wife/gf with a woman. It's lying and cheating. "
I am inclined to agree. |
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"Not sure it's not being accepting of it so much as not being turned on by it. For those who get off on bi men or women it will be great but for those who arent then it's not great. Seeing same sex encounters does zero for me so no, I'd not enjoy seeing my man with another man but it doesnt mean I'm not accepting of it generally."
Exactly this. Intolerance means not accepting the behaviour/beliefs etc. just because you don’t want to be a part of it doesn’t make you intolerant of it. |
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"How often does someone being a plant pot affect your life?
Like, in real life. Not spitting out your cornflakes because the news paper told you it’s happening
Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day."
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. |
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Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. "
have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly . |
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"How often does someone being a plant pot affect your life?
Like, in real life. Not spitting out your cornflakes because the news paper told you it’s happening
Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly ."
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Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot "
They didn't want to have sex with his wife and then let him have a go afterwards. Happens all the time because GB News told him it does |
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"How often does someone being a plant pot affect your life?
Like, in real life. Not spitting out your cornflakes because the news paper told you it’s happening
Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly ."
“A new one pops up everyday”
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Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly .
You're a plant pot "
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Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly ."
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Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly .
Who? . I’m obviously waaay too young "
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Has anyone ever had their life negatively impacted by a self identified plant pot
Sadly its effecting every bodies lives these days there plant pots everywhere and new one pop up every day.
Oh come on. No-one identifies as a plant pot. You're being silly. have you not heard of bill and Ben now I'm been silly .
Who? . I’m obviously waaay too young
That not what bill and Ben told me about you ."
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I think part if it is the oft held assumption that man sex is always penetrative, so is 'proper' sex. And because its ALWAYS bum sex its dirty.
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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"Perhaps more women are sexually attracted to other women,than men are to other men "
If you saw my message feed on here you'd change your opinion on that. Haha.
I have a group of male straight friends that I've been friendly with for about 15 years. Of the 7, 5 of them have at one time or another expressed desire or hinted to me they wanted to try something with me. All have had wives or girlfriends at some point, none have ever had gay relationships, and of the 5 that have suggested things they've all asked me not to say anything to the other lads, which I haven't. I also haven't gone there because they're my friends. But it seems to be the unspoken thing when lads want to go there. |
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There could be a doctoral thesis written about this, I’ll try to boil it down into something vaguely concise though.
A lot of the reasoning is down to the male sexual gaze and its prevalent power through society and porn.
Femme/femme sex isn’t seen as threatening to men as penetration doesn’t occur except with fingers, so it’s not a challenge to male virility and ego, so it’s become fetishised as a way for men to prove their sexual prowess.
Because it’s traditionally the role of the femme to be penetrated, for a man to be so (orally or anally) that is emasculating in the male sexual gaze.
There are also huge stigmas around men being ‘dirty’ and being promiscuous.
This is no where near an exhaustive point though. There are also notable mentions to what legally is sex, societal norms, heteronormative culture, shame, porn… it’s a weighty topic |
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Lol the orical has spoken trust you to come up with that .
Well when I have sex with ladies which is getting more a distant memory. but I still live in hope. the ladies I have pleasure of haveing it with enjoy bum sex as you call it.as well as sensual play its not all penitration you know . |
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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*cos penetrative bum sex.... "
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*cos penetrative bum sex....
Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus? "
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"I think part if it is the oft held assumption that man sex is always penetrative, so is 'proper' sex. And because its ALWAYS bum sex its dirty.
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus?
My phallus is very helpful just saying."
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"Not sure it's not being accepting of it so much as not being turned on by it. For those who get off on bi men or women it will be great but for those who arent then it's not great. Seeing same sex encounters does zero for me so no, I'd not enjoy seeing my man with another man but it doesnt mean I'm not accepting of it generally.
Exactly this. Intolerance means not accepting the behaviour/beliefs etc. just because you don’t want to be a part of it doesn’t make you intolerant of it. "
Indeed. Unlike many on here, a man being bisexual would not stop me meeting him, I just dont want to see him getting it on with another man cause it does nothing for me. |
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Can I jump in from the perspective of a gay man?
(Going to anyway , skip to the next message if you aint interested)
I don't know what made me have no interest in women. I'm not one of those "my mother made me gay" types (cue some smart arse asking "if I give her enough wool, will she make me one too? ). I've long stopped wondering why. Personally I think it's chemical and whether or not you elect to conform.
I used to joke I was homo-sensual. It is the eroticism of another man that rocks my boat. Anyone reading my Forum stories - all mainly true, names changed to protect the not so innocent - will know my 'go to' are chest / thighs / pits / pubes. Love doing massage and when doing straight men from here, my philosophy is "I don't go where there is no interest". Period. One str8 guy from here after one of my massages said "Thanks mate. I've paid for worse". I am still trying to work out whether that was a compliment or not. Answers on a postcard.
My eroticism in men ballooned very early on to having my arse worked over by belt and cane. No idea why. Gave up wondering. But only by men....... and let me tell you, many aint up to it.
Let me be quite clear : straight doesn't make you a man. End of. Nor is EVERYONE with a sexual interest in men trying to get in to your pants. There's a ton of str8 men - who are probably glad to know - for whom the grouping is "not even if you were wearing a paper bag"
There's a view that the brain is the sexiest organ. Manners rock my boat too.
Apparently I don't look gay (whatever that means). So much so that when in the 90s I ventured in to gay bars, people wouldn't speak to me because they thought I was police.
A gay man once told me - and this was backed up by his woman friend - that "breeders" (yup, an awful term), don't realise how fast they are scanned and rejected by either gender with a sexual interest in men. For the women, it is possibly a primordial / cave times thing "would I mate with that?"
Why have I burbled all the above? No, not to piss the Neanderthals off, albeit it is an added bonus. I have come to the conclusion that during lockdown guys came to the realisation that sex is sex. And your cock doesn't give a flying hoot the gender of the willing wet tongue.
But to get back on topic. Sort of. Like many people, I have my tolerances. Or intolerances. As a gay man, I hate being feminised. And in Forum stories, I kick off when a great story descends in to forced feminisation "he made me wear his wife's bra and panties" etc (pass the fucking sick back) or someone calling someone they have just met "slut".
And no, that does not make me anti TV/CD etc. TV/CD not for me. Each to their own so long as it doesn't involve anyone who doesn't want to be involved. It is the element of choice that is important. I know a very masculine guy in Glasgow who has four women on the go. I've never been brave enough to ask him how many kids, I value the shape of my nose being the way it is. He is one of the most convincing TV/CD I know (and yes, I refer to him as 'she' when appropriate)
But in terms of tolerance or interest, someone above made the point about women loving the thought of two men at it............ that had never occurred to me until I started posting Forum stories during lockdown. It is the WOMEN on here who nag me for updates. And then some. Was gobsmacked at the traction my tales have amongst women. Maybe they just like reading about masculine sexually demanding men. Or maybe they like men casting off their "I'm straight" cape and enjoying with gusto that willingly offered to them.
I had a woman who wrote me saying another women had recommended my stories - given they mostly true - and she thought "Man on man? Nope, Absolutely not for me" then lost a bet with the original woman and her 'forfeit' was one of my stories. She said she was dry in the mouth and had to change her knickers (just the sort of detail a gay man needs - ha ha ha) and now she makes her man read her chapters before sex.
One woman claims to read one of my stories every 2nd day and still goes "Oh no!" at one of the cliff-hangers (REALLY?????????????)
But back to tolerance of guy-on-guy............ my favourite message regarding my tales was from a guy here on fabswingers with the rather threatening sounding subject
YOU MADE MY WIFE CRY
Apparently she had a good sob at John's story and her husband had to "comfort" her. "Best sex in ages", he declared then asked me when there would be updates. She is going to be inconsolable in a few chapters and I suspect some other people will be gunning for me too.
Anyway, Wetherspoons Veggie breakfast calls. Not that I'm a vegetarian. It's just that I don't like black pudding or potato scones and the Veggie breakfast has extra hash browns in lieu AND the most fab thick sausages I can be quietly vulgar with
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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*cos penetrative bum sex....
Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus?
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Is it plastic? "
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Can I jump in from the perspective of a gay man?
(Going to anyway , skip to the next message if you aint interested)
I don't know what made me have no interest in women. I'm not one of those "my mother made me gay" types (cue some smart arse asking "if I give her enough wool, will she make me one too? ). I've long stopped wondering why. Personally I think it's chemical and whether or not you elect to conform.
I used to joke I was homo-sensual. It is the eroticism of another man that rocks my boat. Anyone reading my Forum stories - all mainly true, names changed to protect the not so innocent - will know my 'go to' are chest / thighs / pits / pubes. Love doing massage and when doing straight men from here, my philosophy is "I don't go where there is no interest". Period. One str8 guy from here after one of my massages said "Thanks mate. I've paid for worse". I am still trying to work out whether that was a compliment or not. Answers on a postcard.
My eroticism in men ballooned very early on to having my arse worked over by belt and cane. No idea why. Gave up wondering. But only by men....... and let me tell you, many aint up to it.
Let me be quite clear : straight doesn't make you a man. End of. Nor is EVERYONE with a sexual interest in men trying to get in to your pants. There's a ton of str8 men - who are probably glad to know - for whom the grouping is "not even if you were wearing a paper bag"
There's a view that the brain is the sexiest organ. Manners rock my boat too.
Apparently I don't look gay (whatever that means). So much so that when in the 90s I ventured in to gay bars, people wouldn't speak to me because they thought I was police.
A gay man once told me - and this was backed up by his woman friend - that "breeders" (yup, an awful term), don't realise how fast they are scanned and rejected by either gender with a sexual interest in men. For the women, it is possibly a primordial / cave times thing "would I mate with that?"
Why have I burbled all the above? No, not to piss the Neanderthals off, albeit it is an added bonus. I have come to the conclusion that during lockdown guys came to the realisation that sex is sex. And your cock doesn't give a flying hoot the gender of the willing wet tongue.
But to get back on topic. Sort of. Like many people, I have my tolerances. Or intolerances. As a gay man, I hate being feminised. And in Forum stories, I kick off when a great story descends in to forced feminisation "he made me wear his wife's bra and panties" etc (pass the fucking sick back) or someone calling someone they have just met "slut".
And no, that does not make me anti TV/CD etc. TV/CD not for me. Each to their own so long as it doesn't involve anyone who doesn't want to be involved. It is the element of choice that is important. I know a very masculine guy in Glasgow who has four women on the go. I've never been brave enough to ask him how many kids, I value the shape of my nose being the way it is. He is one of the most convincing TV/CD I know (and yes, I refer to him as 'she' when appropriate)
But in terms of tolerance or interest, someone above made the point about women loving the thought of two men at it............ that had never occurred to me until I started posting Forum stories during lockdown. It is the WOMEN on here who nag me for updates. And then some. Was gobsmacked at the traction my tales have amongst women. Maybe they just like reading about masculine sexually demanding men. Or maybe they like men casting off their "I'm straight" cape and enjoying with gusto that willingly offered to them.
I had a woman who wrote me saying another women had recommended my stories - given they mostly true - and she thought "Man on man? Nope, Absolutely not for me" then lost a bet with the original woman and her 'forfeit' was one of my stories. She said she was dry in the mouth and had to change her knickers (just the sort of detail a gay man needs - ha ha ha) and now she makes her man read her chapters before sex.
One woman claims to read one of my stories every 2nd day and still goes "Oh no!" at one of the cliff-hangers (REALLY?????????????)
But back to tolerance of guy-on-guy............ my favourite message regarding my tales was from a guy here on fabswingers with the rather threatening sounding subject
YOU MADE MY WIFE CRY
Apparently she had a good sob at John's story and her husband had to "comfort" her. "Best sex in ages", he declared then asked me when there would be updates. She is going to be inconsolable in a few chapters and I suspect some other people will be gunning for me too.
Anyway, Wetherspoons Veggie breakfast calls. Not that I'm a vegetarian. It's just that I don't like black pudding or potato scones and the Veggie breakfast has extra hash browns in lieu AND the most fab thick sausages I can be quietly vulgar with
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"I think part if it is the oft held assumption that man sex is always penetrative, so is 'proper' sex. And because its ALWAYS bum sex its dirty.
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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*cos penetrative bum sex....
Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus?
My phallus is very helpful just saying.
Is it plastic?
No mines the real thing but I'm willing to help you out ."
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
______________________________
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*cos penetrative bum sex....
Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus?
My phallus is very helpful just saying.
Is it plastic?
No mines the real thing but I'm willing to help you out .
You're just toying with me..."
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"I think part if it is the oft held assumption that man sex is always penetrative, so is 'proper' sex. And because its ALWAYS bum sex its dirty.
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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*cos penetrative bum sex....
Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus?
My phallus is very helpful just saying.
Is it plastic?
No mines the real thing but I'm willing to help you out .
You're just toying with me...
Modern human mating rituals are so peculiar "
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My favourite comment of the year on any thread. "
Which bit?
My sneaky vulgarity with the Quorn sausages on a Wetherspoons breakfast?
I've had two messages from women already asking how far down I managed to get
Discretion towards said Quorn sausages forbids but one shouted "I can see your tonsils!"
Given am not Veggie, I ordered a bacon muffin too. No jokes please about making a pig of myself or it the only muffin I'll be having today
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
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Read a fair bit of this thread, but not all so if I cover something already said then sorry.
I realised I was attracted to males as well as females a long time ago.
As with everything I have preferences, this works with woman and men. It does not mean I have a phobia, it means I find them/the situation attractive/stimulating.
If a profile says no bi men fine move on by, who am I to try and argue or force my opinion on someone else.
Not everyone knows I am bi, it does not mean I want to have sex with every guy. I am very selective when it comes to men.
It was best said many years ago by my Ex when she said the male body is not really very attractive, whereas the female body is a lot more attractive. Is this hard wired into our DNA in some way?
This whole thing comes down to choices. I feel society is just looking for the next judgemental subject.
Rightly so homophobia, racism, sexism, misogyny hate speech, etc should not be tolerated in society. However we are allowed to say that’s not for me. That does not do it for me.
I don’t like fish, I think it all tastes awful, does that mean I have a phobia. Of course not it means it’s not for me.
As for the original question, personally I think it’s the porn industry. This was started by men mainly aimed at men so female on female became more of a norm, therefore socially acceptable.
I also think a lot of guys who do think yeah I’d like to try that don’t have the balls to admit it and keep it under wraps at fear of loosing machismo.
The above has no scientific data to back it up and is just one persons opinion. |
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Funny how being straight seems to be so threatening to some people they feel the need to mansplain they are straight because they are somehow scared to try bi. Be how you want to be. Let others be how they want to be. |
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Can I jump in from the perspective of a gay man?
(Going to anyway , skip to the next message if you aint interested)
I don't know what made me have no interest in women. I'm not one of those "my mother made me gay" types (cue some smart arse asking "if I give her enough wool, will she make me one too? ). I've long stopped wondering why. Personally I think it's chemical and whether or not you elect to conform.
I used to joke I was homo-sensual. It is the eroticism of another man that rocks my boat. Anyone reading my Forum stories - all mainly true, names changed to protect the not so innocent - will know my 'go to' are chest / thighs / pits / pubes. Love doing massage and when doing straight men from here, my philosophy is "I don't go where there is no interest". Period. One str8 guy from here after one of my massages said "Thanks mate. I've paid for worse". I am still trying to work out whether that was a compliment or not. Answers on a postcard.
My eroticism in men ballooned very early on to having my arse worked over by belt and cane. No idea why. Gave up wondering. But only by men....... and let me tell you, many aint up to it.
Let me be quite clear : straight doesn't make you a man. End of. Nor is EVERYONE with a sexual interest in men trying to get in to your pants. There's a ton of str8 men - who are probably glad to know - for whom the grouping is "not even if you were wearing a paper bag"
There's a view that the brain is the sexiest organ. Manners rock my boat too.
Apparently I don't look gay (whatever that means). So much so that when in the 90s I ventured in to gay bars, people wouldn't speak to me because they thought I was police.
A gay man once told me - and this was backed up by his woman friend - that "breeders" (yup, an awful term), don't realise how fast they are scanned and rejected by either gender with a sexual interest in men. For the women, it is possibly a primordial / cave times thing "would I mate with that?"
Why have I burbled all the above? No, not to piss the Neanderthals off, albeit it is an added bonus. I have come to the conclusion that during lockdown guys came to the realisation that sex is sex. And your cock doesn't give a flying hoot the gender of the willing wet tongue.
But to get back on topic. Sort of. Like many people, I have my tolerances. Or intolerances. As a gay man, I hate being feminised. And in Forum stories, I kick off when a great story descends in to forced feminisation "he made me wear his wife's bra and panties" etc (pass the fucking sick back) or someone calling someone they have just met "slut".
And no, that does not make me anti TV/CD etc. TV/CD not for me. Each to their own so long as it doesn't involve anyone who doesn't want to be involved. It is the element of choice that is important. I know a very masculine guy in Glasgow who has four women on the go. I've never been brave enough to ask him how many kids, I value the shape of my nose being the way it is. He is one of the most convincing TV/CD I know (and yes, I refer to him as 'she' when appropriate)
But in terms of tolerance or interest, someone above made the point about women loving the thought of two men at it............ that had never occurred to me until I started posting Forum stories during lockdown. It is the WOMEN on here who nag me for updates. And then some. Was gobsmacked at the traction my tales have amongst women. Maybe they just like reading about masculine sexually demanding men. Or maybe they like men casting off their "I'm straight" cape and enjoying with gusto that willingly offered to them.
I had a woman who wrote me saying another women had recommended my stories - given they mostly true - and she thought "Man on man? Nope, Absolutely not for me" then lost a bet with the original woman and her 'forfeit' was one of my stories. She said she was dry in the mouth and had to change her knickers (just the sort of detail a gay man needs - ha ha ha) and now she makes her man read her chapters before sex.
One woman claims to read one of my stories every 2nd day and still goes "Oh no!" at one of the cliff-hangers (REALLY?????????????)
But back to tolerance of guy-on-guy............ my favourite message regarding my tales was from a guy here on fabswingers with the rather threatening sounding subject
YOU MADE MY WIFE CRY
Apparently she had a good sob at John's story and her husband had to "comfort" her. "Best sex in ages", he declared then asked me when there would be updates. She is going to be inconsolable in a few chapters and I suspect some other people will be gunning for me too.
Anyway, Wetherspoons Veggie breakfast calls. Not that I'm a vegetarian. It's just that I don't like black pudding or potato scones and the Veggie breakfast has extra hash browns in lieu AND the most fab thick sausages I can be quietly vulgar with
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You should write an actual book!! Neanderthals, police in gay bars and straight capes. Oh wow you are awesome!! Have fun with the vegan sausages.  |
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"Read a fair bit of this thread, but not all so if I cover something already said then sorry.
I realised I was attracted to males as well as females a long time ago.
As with everything I have preferences, this works with woman and men. It does not mean I have a phobia, it means I find them/the situation attractive/stimulating.
If a profile says no bi men fine move on by, who am I to try and argue or force my opinion on someone else.
Not everyone knows I am bi, it does not mean I want to have sex with every guy. I am very selective when it comes to men.
It was best said many years ago by my Ex when she said the male body is not really very attractive, whereas the female body is a lot more attractive. Is this hard wired into our DNA in some way?
This whole thing comes down to choices. I feel society is just looking for the next judgemental subject.
Rightly so homophobia, racism, sexism, misogyny hate speech, etc should not be tolerated in society. However we are allowed to say that’s not for me. That does not do it for me.
I don’t like fish, I think it all tastes awful, does that mean I have a phobia. Of course not it means it’s not for me.
As for the original question, personally I think it’s the porn industry. This was started by men mainly aimed at men so female on female became more of a norm, therefore socially acceptable.
I also think a lot of guys who do think yeah I’d like to try that don’t have the balls to admit it and keep it under wraps at fear of loosing machismo.
The above has no scientific data to back it up and is just one persons opinion. "
Fish phobia could be a thing.  |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?"
It's not something I have a problem with, I absolutely love watching and joining bi MMF play.
I understand what you're saying though as we come across quite a few profiles which state "no bi men" or "no couples where the male is bi". We have never came across a profile which states "no bi females".
Is this not just a preference?
Maybe it is or maybe it isn't but everyone has choices, and we all have to respect that |
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By *lsiePTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It was best said many years ago by my Ex when she said the male body is not really very attractive, whereas the female body is a lot more attractive. Is this hard wired into our DNA in some way?
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I think it's societal. Thousands of years of patriarchal systems have not only sexualised the female body but also put women in the role of the lesser, and it carries this undercurrent of shame if a man is like a woman in any way. If he wears women's clothes, if he is penetrated, even if he cries! Ever noticed how it's ok for women to dress masculine but if a man dresses feminine he is a pervert? It's the same thing.
I know a lot of you see it as just a preference, but none of us are immune to propaganda. Society shapes the way we think and act from a very young age.
There is a difference between not wanting to watch men fuck and not wanting to fuck bi men yourself. Of course the latter is a preference but that preference will be informed by the society you are in, and the views it has on male sex. |
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I can only go by what I've noticed over the years being on this site and that is over the years I have had quite afew straight men messaging asking how descreate it my flat actually is so if they come over I can suck them off and they need to be really descreate as they have wives/girlfriends, when I mention that I'll happily blindfold myself so even I won't even see who they are they quickly jump at the chance to come
But as I said, I can only say what I have experienced from being on here and take there is no right or wrong answer |
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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago
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"I think men tend not to care because they see gay/ bi women being with other women as desirable. Weird but true. I mean look at how many men watch girl on girl.
But also I think women’s and wider societal attitudes towards men that have sex with men is also at play here. "
Agree with this ,look how much of swinging is based on girl on girl play .You only have to see all the unicorn threads that get started.
My other half can be orally bi , two men together for me would be hot.
I agree it's a double standard I'd fab that bi women are encouraged and expected ,yet so many say no bi men on their profiles.
I don't know if it's because they think bi men can't control themselves in play ,or its less manly or what .You don't often get a definitive answer on it. |
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"I think part if it is the oft held assumption that man sex is always penetrative, so is 'proper' sex. And because its ALWAYS bum sex its dirty.
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Lady sex, however is not penetrative, so is cleaner and more gentle. Hence way more acceptable
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*cos penetrative bum sex....
Some ladies might like the penetrative dirty sex with other ladies using a helper phallus?
My phallus is very helpful just saying.
Is it plastic?
No mines the real thing but I'm willing to help you out .
You're just toying with me..."
Can use toys as well if you want but I've also got magic fingers |
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"Iit shouldn’t be about tolerance when it comes to identity. It implies that there’s something inherently wrong with something, if it has to be tolerated. If someone is merely “tolerating” you sucking cock, then you’re with the wrong gal!
It is not tolerating the fact that 2 gay men are together and so, that is inherently wrong. It is tolerating the fact that 1 of the men is your husband who you always thought just liked women but has declared an interest in men. This could instantly alter how you see and feel about the relationship and therefore yes the word is whether you can tolerate these feelings and stay with him. "
Do you not think that, that would be homophobic? I do, for the record. How can someone find someone previously attractive, then be turned off by them because that person likes cock, without that being homophobic. What if the language was different? As in, he declared am interest in “other people” then she may have a case for infidelity (I gather some people don’t like that) and as such, not like that “trait” in him but I’m afraid I stand by my previous concern over the word “tolerate” having its origins in homophobia. |
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"I think men tend not to care because they see gay/ bi women being with other women as desirable. Weird but true. I mean look at how many men watch girl on girl.
But also I think women’s and wider societal attitudes towards men that have sex with men is also at play here.
Agree with this ,look how much of swinging is based on girl on girl play .You only have to see all the unicorn threads that get started.
My other half can be orally bi , two men together for me would be hot.
I agree it's a double standard I'd fab that bi women are encouraged and expected ,yet so many say no bi men on their profiles.
I don't know if it's because they think bi men can't control themselves in play ,or its less manly or what .You don't often get a definitive answer on it."
it’s because they’re homophobic. It’s homophobic language |
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"I think men tend not to care because they see gay/ bi women being with other women as desirable. Weird but true. I mean look at how many men watch girl on girl.
But also I think women’s and wider societal attitudes towards men that have sex with men is also at play here.
Agree with this ,look how much of swinging is based on girl on girl play .You only have to see all the unicorn threads that get started.
My other half can be orally bi , two men together for me would be hot.
I agree it's a double standard I'd fab that bi women are encouraged and expected ,yet so many say no bi men on their profiles.
I don't know if it's because they think bi men can't control themselves in play ,or its less manly or what .You don't often get a definitive answer on it. it’s because they’re homophobic. It’s homophobic language"
Is it really? Or is it a personal preference..? People don't need to explain personal choices on a public Web site. Why does it seem to trouble you so much? If people are straight why would they meet? |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?"
i think its because men think its sexy for 2 women to get it on and very few think the same of 2 men |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?
i think its because men think its sexy for 2 women to get it on and very few think the same of 2 men
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Oh ho ho, it's the way you tell em.
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For the majority of people I don’t think it has anything to with being phobic of any kind I just think like alot of things it’s personal preference.
We only meet bi couples and the odd bi man we don’t play straight as it does nothing sexually for us and we find it boring that’s our preference
..We are all here to make the most of our experiences so we just concentrate on the people that would like to meet us as a couple and not the ones that for whatever reason don’t want to meet bi men.. |
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?i think its because men think its sexy for 2 women to get it on and very few think the same of 2 men "
Is that really true though? . I mean I know we have that trope about "ooh les it up girls" but for me it's a bit like lots of other blokey bullshit blokes talk. I'd rather watch women's beach volleyball than girls faking it for the audience. I think there is some truth that most women's bodies are generally much more easy on the eye than most men's but how much that influences saying we have a desire to watch a lesbian show I don't know. |
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As has been pointed out (but wasn't picked up on quickly enough really, including by myself) "tolerance" is just the wrong word to so-generally describe homosexuality (though it changes to "accepting" in the OP itself, which accepts it is generalising). It's just too-easy for homophobes to latch on and answer "because.." though. It's click bait isn't it? The title says one thing, the OP is a little more measured.
But it's not really a heart-warming thread for homosexual (bi or otherwise) people. And society today is hugely *accepting* of homosexuality these days compared to so many times in the past. Even with some quite malevolent forces around.
As I did say, I think the whole premiss here is a bit of a cliche anyway. It seems to me sometimes that humanity too-often gets judged by that 'caveman' denominator. Or at best, as if Loaded is the cultural barometer on life's magazine rack. I wish we'd just look a little deeper into things sometimes.
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"A generalised statement of course but I think it is safe to say that in straight relationships, males are a lot more accepting of the idea of their female partner having gay kisses or action with other females and can be harmless fun without affecting their relationship.
But the amount of females who would be as accepting and secure if their male partner was doing the same with another guy, would be significantly less.
Firstly, is this generally true? And if so, why the large discrepancy between males and females?i think its because men think its sexy for 2 women to get it on and very few think the same of 2 men
Is that really true though? . I mean I know we have that trope about "ooh les it up girls" but for me it's a bit like lots of other blokey bullshit blokes talk. I'd rather watch women's beach volleyball than girls faking it for the audience. I think there is some truth that most women's bodies are generally much more easy on the eye than most men's but how much that influences saying we have a desire to watch a lesbian show I don't know. "
Well in theory men like the idea of 2 women getting it on but when they do i guess some may regret it and some women very few I'd say like the idea of 2 guys getting it on but many are very verbal in terms of they don't like it, certainly on profiles anyway, the reality may be slightly different in the moment, everything is |
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I put it this way... every person spent the first 9 months of their life inside a woman. No one spent their first 9 months inside a man.
So a woman being physically close to another naked woman, not unnatural |
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"I put it this way... every person spent the first 9 months of their life inside a woman. No one spent their first 9 months inside a man.
So a woman being physically close to another naked woman, not unnatural "
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! |
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"I put it this way... every person spent the first 9 months of their life inside a woman. No one spent their first 9 months inside a man.
So a woman being physically close to another naked woman, not unnatural
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!"
That would make for an interesting update to the St James bible. |
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