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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? " Yes, I think it would. | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? " Yes | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? " probably but with less intensity | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? " Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath  | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath "What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck. Bess | |||
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"I have been actively keeping up with related live streams relating to the incident. The lady was told she can get a credit note which the store owner was unaware of so she still wasn't stealing. People that have never lived in a predominantly black or Asian community can not speak on things that affect those communities, if you can't LISTEN to UNDERSTAND best not to get involved. I have never lived in a predominantly white, Mexican, Jewish area so if those communities said they felt a certain way by a continuing pattern of behaviours displayed towards them its not my place to dismiss them of what they're saying, I have a choice to listen and try understand or wish them well and get on with my business The people who want to dismiss its not a race issue are clearly ignorant, black people have not said every Asian we are saying the majority there's a difference. OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences "Where do you get off telling people what to think and what to comment on?? I’ve read all the threads and decided not to give my opinion but some of your comments have got right on my nerves. | |||
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"OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences "What ARE you talking about? My post is really clear. I put the legislation about people being able to use force to stop theft because someone else said you must by law allow theft to happen. Then you asked if I was trying to justify the level of force that had been used in this incident. I wasn't trying to justify anything, just quoting legislation. All I'm saying is that you don't have to allow shoplifters a free rein. I don't know anything about this incident, I don't know anything about a deleted thread, I don't know anything about overriding any moderators decision and I don't really understand why you've got a bee in your bonnet over what I've said. Nothing vindictive on my part, just adult conversation. Cheers, Gbat | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess"The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me" Nothing justifies how she was handled | |||
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"I have been actively keeping up with related live streams relating to the incident. The lady was told she can get a credit note which the store owner was unaware of so she still wasn't stealing. People that have never lived in a predominantly black or Asian community can not speak on things that affect those communities, if you can't LISTEN to UNDERSTAND best not to get involved. I have never lived in a predominantly white, Mexican, Jewish area so if those communities said they felt a certain way by a continuing pattern of behaviours displayed towards them its not my place to dismiss them of what they're saying, I have a choice to listen and try understand or wish them well and get on with my business The people who want to dismiss its not a race issue are clearly ignorant, black people have not said every Asian we are saying the majority there's a difference. OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences
Where do you get off telling people what to think and what to comment on?? I’ve read all the threads and decided not to give my opinion but some of your comments have got right on my nerves. "I don't care whose nerves I get on or don't. It's a common knowledge fact, dismiss a person of how they feel and know something is, is ignorant and as I have said and will say again its always the people outside the black community to disregard a racial attack but I am yet to see someone who is black do it to someone else. Racism exists and will never die, it's not always about racist slurs that make racism stand out but its sadly unprovoked attacks Those who wish to see it allow themselves to be part of the problem and as the well known saying goes truth hurts its not what most people want to hear | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled "So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you. Bess | |||
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"OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences
What ARE you talking about? My post is really clear.
I put the legislation about people being able to use force to stop theft because someone else said you must by law allow theft to happen.
Then you asked if I was trying to justify the level of force that had been used in this incident. I wasn't trying to justify anything, just quoting legislation.
All I'm saying is that you don't have to allow shoplifters a free rein.
I don't know anything about this incident, I don't know anything about a deleted thread, I don't know anything about overriding any moderators decision and I don't really understand why you've got a bee in your bonnet over what I've said. Nothing vindictive on my part, just adult conversation.
Cheers,
Gbat "This is where you have gone wrong Speaking on a matter you don't know anything about but quick to jump on a bandwagon and call her a shop lifter. I will enlighten you that stigma doesn't fit the lady and the last threads about this matter was closed by moderators | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled
So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you.
Bess"Did you not see her hit the man? Her phone call was made AFTER she got out of his grip Why do you need it spelled out to you, use your own initiative with your eyes You're proving to lack common sense | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled
So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you.
Bess
Did you not see her hit the man?
Her phone call was made AFTER she got out of his grip
Why do you need it spelled out to you, use your own initiative with your eyes
You're proving to lack common sense "Yes, I saw her hit the man. I saw her hit him before he defended himself and I saw her hit him when he wasn't even touching her. Essentially, she was trying to steal from an Asian shopkeeper who get frequently get targeted and she got caught. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - stop defending a violent racist thief. Bess | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races?" The continuous pattern of how most Asian store owners and the men treat black women that's what makes it a racist issue. From what I know he is the first to take matters as far as assaulting a black woman | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled
So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you.
Bess
Did you not see her hit the man?
Her phone call was made AFTER she got out of his grip
Why do you need it spelled out to you, use your own initiative with your eyes
You're proving to lack common sense
Yes, I saw her hit the man. I saw her hit him before he defended himself and I saw her hit him when he wasn't even touching her. Essentially, she was trying to steal from an Asian shopkeeper who get frequently get targeted and she got caught. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - stop defending a violent racist thief.
Bess"Get your facts right She was told she could get a credit note. He pushed her that's why she pushed him back. The evidence is in the footage myself and many who have spoken on social platforms and those who went to protest would tell you that. The violent racist is the store owner who your defending | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races?" It's a racial incident because she deliberately targeted an Asian-owned shop knowing that the shop-keepers will do very little about it because they're terrified of the usual response from the "local community", which, as you can see from the news, was as predictable as it always is. Now he is in hiding and his business may be ruined because he had the courage to open a shop in a neighbourhood like this. Bess | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled
So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you.
Bess
Did you not see her hit the man?
Her phone call was made AFTER she got out of his grip
Why do you need it spelled out to you, use your own initiative with your eyes
You're proving to lack common sense
Yes, I saw her hit the man. I saw her hit him before he defended himself and I saw her hit him when he wasn't even touching her. Essentially, she was trying to steal from an Asian shopkeeper who get frequently get targeted and she got caught. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - stop defending a violent racist thief.
Bess
Get your facts right
She was told she could get a credit note.
He pushed her that's why she pushed him back.
The evidence is in the footage myself and many who have spoken on social platforms and those who went to protest would tell you that.
The violent racist is the store owner who your defending "Perhaps you should get your facts right. She was not given a credit note, she was told she could have store credit. She took goods off the shelf and tried to walk out with them without declaring what she had to the shop staff, which is legally theft. She treated the staff with complete racist disdain, then got violent when she was called out on it. Bess | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races?" Absolutely nothing | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? It's a racial incident because she deliberately targeted an Asian-owned shop knowing that the shop-keepers will do very little about it because they're terrified of the usual response from the "local community", which, as you can see from the news, was as predictable as it always is. Now he is in hiding and his business may be ruined because he had the courage to open a shop in a neighbourhood like this. Bess" She had been shopping in that store for the past 10years nothing but that man and his anger towards the race made him commit a nasty act like that on a person. He had to choose an area to provide products for his target audience or his wigs, packets of hair and cosmetics would be of no use otherwise. He's not the only store owner in that area so its nothing to do with the area its the man and his staff that just did nothing | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled
So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you.
Bess
Did you not see her hit the man?
Her phone call was made AFTER she got out of his grip
Why do you need it spelled out to you, use your own initiative with your eyes
You're proving to lack common sense
Yes, I saw her hit the man. I saw her hit him before he defended himself and I saw her hit him when he wasn't even touching her. Essentially, she was trying to steal from an Asian shopkeeper who get frequently get targeted and she got caught. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - stop defending a violent racist thief.
Bess
Get your facts right
She was told she could get a credit note.
He pushed her that's why she pushed him back.
The evidence is in the footage myself and many who have spoken on social platforms and those who went to protest would tell you that.
The violent racist is the store owner who your defending
Perhaps you should get your facts right. She was not given a credit note, she was told she could have store credit. She took goods off the shelf and tried to walk out with them without declaring what she had to the shop staff, which is legally theft. She treated the staff with complete racist disdain, then got violent when she was called out on it.
Bess"Why was she arrested for suspicion of assault instead of theft then? Have you spoken to anyone that knows the young woman to say this so confidently? | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? Absolutely nothing " Just worry about what concerns you your input isn't relevant | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
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"OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences
What ARE you talking about? My post is really clear.
I put the legislation about people being able to use force to stop theft because someone else said you must by law allow theft to happen.
Then you asked if I was trying to justify the level of force that had been used in this incident. I wasn't trying to justify anything, just quoting legislation.
All I'm saying is that you don't have to allow shoplifters a free rein.
I don't know anything about this incident, I don't know anything about a deleted thread, I don't know anything about overriding any moderators decision and I don't really understand why you've got a bee in your bonnet over what I've said. Nothing vindictive on my part, just adult conversation.
Cheers,
Gbat "Is that any force, or reasonable force can be used. If reasonable force, what does that looklike? | |||
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"Would this make the news and social media if the lady was white? Absolutely, its a serious act he did on that woman. To have hands around a person's neck can only mean you are trying to restrict them of being able to breath
Bess
What an absolute crock of bullshit. She had enough breath to screech "r@pe" in a loud voice. She's playing every card in the deck.
Bess
The lady was put in a panic she corrected herself when she made the phone call "some man is str@ngling me"
Nothing justifies how she was handled
So, she was able to scream "r@pe" and then make a telephone call. You've just proved that her breathing wasn't restricted at all. Thank you.
Bess
Did you not see her hit the man?
Her phone call was made AFTER she got out of his grip
Why do you need it spelled out to you, use your own initiative with your eyes
You're proving to lack common sense
Yes, I saw her hit the man. I saw her hit him before he defended himself and I saw her hit him when he wasn't even touching her. Essentially, she was trying to steal from an Asian shopkeeper who get frequently get targeted and she got caught. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - stop defending a violent racist thief.
Bess
Get your facts right
She was told she could get a credit note.
He pushed her that's why she pushed him back.
The evidence is in the footage myself and many who have spoken on social platforms and those who went to protest would tell you that.
The violent racist is the store owner who your defending
Perhaps you should get your facts right. She was not given a credit note, she was told she could have store credit. She took goods off the shelf and tried to walk out with them without declaring what she had to the shop staff, which is legally theft. She treated the staff with complete racist disdain, then got violent when she was called out on it.
Bess
Why was she arrested for suspicion of assault instead of theft then?
Have you spoken to anyone that knows the young woman to say this so confidently?"You've now admitted that you know she was arrested for assault, yet you're still trying to defend her and excuse her actions? She should choose you as her defence lawyer - they'd probably bring back hanging with you on the case 
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"OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences
What ARE you talking about? My post is really clear.
I put the legislation about people being able to use force to stop theft because someone else said you must by law allow theft to happen.
Then you asked if I was trying to justify the level of force that had been used in this incident. I wasn't trying to justify anything, just quoting legislation.
All I'm saying is that you don't have to allow shoplifters a free rein.
I don't know anything about this incident, I don't know anything about a deleted thread, I don't know anything about overriding any moderators decision and I don't really understand why you've got a bee in your bonnet over what I've said. Nothing vindictive on my part, just adult conversation.
Cheers,
Gbat
Is that any force, or reasonable force can be used.
If reasonable force, what does that looklike?"Reasonable force is restraining a person gripping them by the arms | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? Absolutely nothing Just worry about what concerns you your input isn't relevant " . How can you even expect people to take you seriously with comments like that. | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? Absolutely nothing Just worry about what concerns you your input isn't relevant . How can you even expect people to take you seriously with comments like that. "Have no fear. Nobody is taking her seriously. Bess | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? Absolutely nothing Just worry about what concerns you your input isn't relevant . How can you even expect people to take you seriously with comments like that. "I don't live life with expectations. People will either see where I'm coming from or they won't its up to them I can speak from my own experiences and what friends of mine have gone through similarly to the woman in Peckham. Racism will never die sadly but there will be people who will call it and others will listen as well as empathise Then there will be others who will disregard it and stay ignorant they're the ones who will be part of the problem | |||
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"Seems like purely tribalism on behalf of the local 'community'. Why else would they rally around a loudgob, racist, violent shoplifter? I don't understand why they (or anyone) are defending her?" People from that community have had their own issues with that store owner and his products he was selling to people that is why. The man has been interviewed never once said she was racist to him but yet the forums are making these wild accusations How interesting | |||
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"Well OK. But if someone from my community went around stealing and assaulting retail staff they would be ostracised, not defended." Exactly...But the opposite is being called for. The protesters are calling for the boycott of all non-black businesses. | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. " To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware, or do I care, that she's black. I'm blocked from her profile and her avatar is far too small for me to see her skin colour. I'm talking to a person who is defending a violent, racist thief. Her ethnicity is of no consequence to me. Bess | |||
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? Absolutely nothing Just worry about what concerns you your input isn't relevant " I wasn't responding to you, so unless you own this thread you cannot stop my input. Enjoy your day  | |||
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"OP I would be careful you don't get a ban from the forums over riding a decision moderators have chosen and you vindictively open a thread on this topic which clearly moderators don't want spoken about. Maybe because the incident is still under investigation as a grown man you surely know certain actions come with consequences
What ARE you talking about? My post is really clear.
I put the legislation about people being able to use force to stop theft because someone else said you must by law allow theft to happen.
Then you asked if I was trying to justify the level of force that had been used in this incident. I wasn't trying to justify anything, just quoting legislation.
All I'm saying is that you don't have to allow shoplifters a free rein.
I don't know anything about this incident, I don't know anything about a deleted thread, I don't know anything about overriding any moderators decision and I don't really understand why you've got a bee in your bonnet over what I've said. Nothing vindictive on my part, just adult conversation.
Cheers,
Gbat
Is that any force, or reasonable force can be used.
If reasonable force, what does that looklike?"Reasonable force doesn't have a definitive definition. What he done wasn't reasonable, he was acting on instinct. | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware, or do I care, that she's black. I'm blocked from her profile and her avatar is far too small for me to see her skin colour. I'm talking to a person who is defending a violent, racist thief. Her ethnicity is of no consequence to me. Bess" If you say so, Bess. I have interacted with you enough times to have my own opinions though.  | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. " I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. " Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions. | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware, or do I care, that she's black. I'm blocked from her profile and her avatar is far too small for me to see her skin colour. I'm talking to a person who is defending a violent, racist thief. Her ethnicity is of no consequence to me. Bess If you say so, Bess. I have interacted with you enough times to have my own opinions though. "Have you? I don't remember you. Bess | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions. "I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities. I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have. | |||
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 , but it seems that hysteria and lack of knowledge after this sad event make the slightest touch to the neck area by another person to be considered a serious attempt at str@ngulation. It isn't.
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware, or do I care, that she's black. I'm blocked from her profile and her avatar is far too small for me to see her skin colour. I'm talking to a person who is defending a violent, racist thief. Her ethnicity is of no consequence to me. Bess If you say so, Bess. I have interacted with you enough times to have my own opinions though.
Have you? I don't remember you.
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have. "We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen  | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
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"While this thread is still going, let's address the hysterical accusations of str@ngulation. Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of anatomy and physiology will know that the only way to effectively end a life via str@ngulation can only be achieved by occluding the trachea completely, for a time period of 2-3 minutes or more. To do this, the attack would have to be either from behind with the fingers pressed into the trachea, or from the front, with the thumbs pressed into the trachea. Sideways force would have to be immense, due to the massively strong sternocleidomastoid muscles on either side. It would take the weight of a full grown man kneeling on the neck for several minutes to restrict the airway sufficiently. This is what happened to George Floyd , but it seems that hysteria and lack of knowledge after this sad event make the slightest touch to the neck area by another person to be considered a serious attempt at str@ngulation. It isn't.
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"While this thread is still going, let's address the hysterical accusations of str@ngulation. Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of anatomy and physiology will know that the only way to effectively end a life via str@ngulation can only be achieved by occluding the trachea completely, for a time period of 2-3 minutes or more. To do this, the attack would have to be either from behind with the fingers pressed into the trachea, or from the front, with the thumbs pressed into the trachea. Sideways force would have to be immense, due to the massively strong sternocleidomastoid muscles on either side. It would take the weight of a full grown man kneeling on the neck for several minutes to restrict the airway sufficiently. This is what happened to George Floyd , but it seems that hysteria and lack of knowledge after this sad event make the slightest touch to the neck area by another person to be considered a serious attempt at str@ngulation. It isn't.
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said. "Are you able to predict the future? Maybe he would just get reasoned debate, something he seems incapable of. Bess | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said.
Are you able to predict the future? Maybe he would just get reasoned debate, something he seems incapable of.
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said. "Why would he? He wants to speak out about the behaviour towards to black woman but doesn't want to speak out about her behaviour... He told me he regularly calls out racism of all kinds yet let that woman slip... That says so much more than him actually calling something out. | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said.
Why would he?
He wants to speak out about the behaviour towards to black woman but doesn't want to speak out about her behaviour...
He told me he regularly calls out racism of all kinds yet let that woman slip...
That says so much more than him actually calling something out.
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said.
Why would he?
He wants to speak out about the behaviour towards to black woman but doesn't want to speak out about her behaviour...
He told me he regularly calls out racism of all kinds yet let that woman slip...
That says so much more than him actually calling something out.
Why would anyone? Certain people on here take delight in picking apart others for their own amusement. Thread after thread."He is obviously under no obligation to say anything. I asked a question because he claimed he's regularly vocal on various issues, but I've seen him choose to ignore these. It's really no drama. | |||
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"Why would anyone? Certain people on here take delight in picking apart others for their own amusement. Thread after thread." ...or as it's known on here, "reasoned debate"... | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said.
Are you able to predict the future? Maybe he would just get reasoned debate, something he seems incapable of.
Bess
"But no, I'm sure he's delighted that a random woman off the internet is fighting his battles for him
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"A question for anyone if you don't mind. I haven't seen the incident so I hold no judgements one way or another. What's makes this a racial incident? Other than it involving 2 people of different races? The continuous pattern of how most Asian store owners and the men treat black women that's what makes it a racist issue. From what I know he is the first to take matters as far as assaulting a black woman " So because you believe theres a 'continuous pattern', that automatically makes this incident racist? Sorry, thats not how life works out | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said.
Are you able to predict the future? Maybe he would just get reasoned debate, something he seems incapable of.
Bess
But no, I'm sure he's delighted that a random woman off the internet is fighting his battles for him
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said. "Oh give over. The guy is nothing but a race hustler, and hes been hanging around here stinking the place out with his toxic speak for ages. He needs to be called out | |||
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. " I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb. | |||
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"I haven’t said anything on this topic but it’s so interesting to me the way people on fab are treating a Black woman talking on this issue. Across multiple threads. All I can say is- The girls that get it, get it. The girls that don’t, don’t. I know you're hot on racism towards the black community so I see your angle. However, if you've seen the words of others towards her then you've seen her words towards others. Think about that for a minute. Be fair- I’m on record on this forum of standing against all forms of racism actually. I’ve regularly called out antisemitism and racism against Black and Brown people. Regardless- I’ve read the interactions. And I have my opinions.
I'd love to be fair, maybe it's because I very often see you vocal regards black people. I'm not for one minute saying you haven't called out against other communities.
I'd like to know your opinion on how that woman has behaved, seeing as you've voiced your opinion on how others have.
We’d all like things that aren’t going to happen
I didn't think you'd give it tbf. Tells it's own story
Don't blame him. He'd get grief from you and others whatever he said.
Are you able to predict the future? Maybe he would just get reasoned debate, something he seems incapable of.
Bess
But no, I'm sure he's delighted that a random woman off the internet is fighting his battles for him
Bess
Ah. More reasoned debate. I'm not a random. I'm his friend. "No, that's not debate - it's a statement. There is a difference. Yes, I'm sure that you two are close buddies. When did you last meet up for a coffee? Ever? Or by friends, do you mean you've typed to him and he's typed back on an internet forum?
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" This is where you have gone wrong Speaking on a matter you don't know anything about but quick to jump on a bandwagon and call her a shop lifter. I will enlighten you that stigma doesn't fit the lady and the last threads about this matter was closed by moderators " Oh for fucks sake. I’ll spell it out. 1. A poster said that you can’t stop shop lifters, it’s the law. 2. I said you can stop shop lifters and I quoted which law says you can. 3. You asked if I was trying to justify the use of strangulati0n. 4. I said I know nothing about the incident. I was just saying there IS a law that allows you to stop shoplifters. 5. I’ve never said she was a shop lifter. 6. I have neither supported nor denigrated the action of either person as I have no fucking clue what happened. Hopefully that clears things up, but I somehow doubt it. Gbat | |||
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb." These kinds of issues always attract the trolls sadly. | |||
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb." Do you have any opinion in how that user behaved towards others who offered debate? Or maybe the way she profiled a whole race? | |||
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb. These kinds of issues always attract the trolls sadly. " Youre one of the biggest trolls on here ffs. | |||
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" This is where you have gone wrong Speaking on a matter you don't know anything about but quick to jump on a bandwagon and call her a shop lifter. I will enlighten you that stigma doesn't fit the lady and the last threads about this matter was closed by moderators Oh for fucks sake. I’ll spell it out. 1. A poster said that you can’t stop shop lifters, it’s the law. 2. I said you can stop shop lifters and I quoted which law says you can. 3. You asked if I was trying to justify the use of strangulati0n. 4. I said I know nothing about the incident. I was just saying there IS a law that allows you to stop shoplifters. 5. I’ve never said she was a shop lifter. 6. I have neither supported nor denigrated the action of either person as I have no fucking clue what happened. Hopefully that clears things up, but I somehow doubt it. Gbat " Wasting your breath. All she sees is race, race and more race. Reasoned thought or an attempt at understanding never entered her brain. | |||
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"I don't think it is that wise to make new a thread without seeing the video. Links have been posted over and over on this. Of the very beginning too... The link https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/12/police-investigate-incident-black-shopper-apparently-grabbed-by-throat Not sure what someone's filters have got to do with anything too - just post a thread if you want to surely? Reasonable Force in 2023 It's the concept of 'reasonable force' that has changed over time, and everyone is well aware of that surely? You cannot so easily manhandle people any more! Yet we seem to have lost so much respect for women especially that we are prepared to do more than we one did it seems to me. And it's all about police involvement! If you have a shoplifter on shop camera - *which didn't happen in shops like this in 1967 btw* - that will effect the level of force you need to apprehend them, because you can pass the information on to the police: they will now have video evidence. Everyone else has to wait for their crimes to be solved, why can't over-physical shopkeepers? And what had she taken is another factor too. I hope this guy gets busted big time, and like a lot of 60's laws, it gets linguistically-revised to more-clearly fit into more-recent legislation too. I don't want to see anyone going for a woman's neck! You cannot just prevent someone leaving a shop and fight with them over a receipt issue. People have a right to their flight mechanism, especially woman and people with anxiety and suchlike. That's not a woke excuse, it's simply a fact. Genuinely wrongdoers only need to meet whatever reasonable justice is due to them under the Law, they *don't* "deserve" to be roughed up too. So she will win her case. 'Reasonable' is a flexible word to meet the circumstances, and the circumstances is that this is 2023!! Time flies I do realise, surely everyone has noticed this though? That we are now in 2023? pt" agree with all of that. Much of it has been my thought the whole, I will be diplomatic here, debate.
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb. These kinds of issues always attract the trolls sadly. Youre one of the biggest trolls on here ffs." Have to agree with this. | |||
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb. These kinds of issues always attract the trolls sadly. Youre one of the biggest trolls on here ffs." Huh! Pot black! Springs to mind!! | |||
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"I don't think it is that wise to make new a thread without seeing the video. Links have been posted over and over on this. Of the very beginning too... The link https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/12/police-investigate-incident-black-shopper-apparently-grabbed-by-throat Not sure what someone's filters have got to do with anything too - just post a thread if you want to surely? Reasonable Force in 2023 It's the concept of 'reasonable force' that has changed over time, and everyone is well aware of that surely? You cannot so easily manhandle people any more! Yet we seem to have lost so much respect for women especially that we are prepared to do more than we one did it seems to me. And it's all about police involvement! If you have a shoplifter on shop camera - *which didn't happen in shops like this in 1967 btw* - that will effect the level of force you need to apprehend them, because you can pass the information on to the police: they will now have video evidence. Everyone else has to wait for their crimes to be solved, why can't over-physical shopkeepers? And what had she taken is another factor too. I hope this guy gets busted big time, and like a lot of 60's laws, it gets linguistically-revised to more-clearly fit into more-recent legislation too. I don't want to see anyone going for a woman's neck! You cannot just prevent someone leaving a shop and fight with them over a receipt issue. People have a right to their flight mechanism, especially woman and people with anxiety and suchlike. That's not a woke excuse, it's simply a fact. Genuinely wrongdoers only need to meet whatever reasonable justice is due to them under the Law, they *don't* "deserve" to be roughed up too. So she will win her case. 'Reasonable' is a flexible word to meet the circumstances, and the circumstances is that this is 2023!! Time flies I do realise, surely everyone has noticed this though? That we are now in 2023? pt agree with all of that. Much of it has been my thought the whole, I will be diplomatic here, debate.
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"I’m not going to share my opinion on the incident because clearly there’s no discussion that will come out of it. But another interesting thing is the language I’ve seen across the three threads on this issue. From the calls for stronger violence towards this woman to the language used to describe people that peacefully came together in their local community as is their right. Implications on here and other social media that these people are jobless or aren’t intelligent. It all reeks. The tone reeks. It’s a familiar disgusting smell that never seems to fucking go away. To those people- you are not slick. I agree with you: I found it disturbing yesterday. The specific issues you mention stuck out for me like a sore thumb. These kinds of issues always attract the trolls sadly. Youre one of the biggest trolls on here ffs. Huh! Pot black! Springs to mind!!" Sounds racist to me... | |||
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"Reported this thread. It was going to have opinions that are different but it's spiraled. The posts have now turned to personal attacks. " Heres another suggestion. If you dont like it, go to another thread | |||
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