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9/11 Remembrance day.
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I remember it vividly. I was on sick leave after a small op. The Mrs called from work to say a plane had hit a building in NY, so turn on the news. I did and was watching in real time when a second plane hit the second tower.
Being a civil engineer I had no worries that the buildings were going to collapse. I knew a bomber had hit the Empire state building in 1945 and that stood up just fine.
Then one did collapse! My immediate thought, as it collapsed neatly vertically was, this is a controlled demolition. When the second did the same I thought this is truly very unusual.
The only other building that collapsed was the one that stored all the information on the twin towers. |
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians. "
There were, amongst many other nationalities, 67 British deaths in 9/11 with a total of 57 nationalities in all amongst the 2,996.
For those interested the full Lawrence Bunyon poem is here:-
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57322/for-the-fallen |
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over a year ago
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It was a tragic event, yes. It was awful for those involved and affected. Do i feel sympathy for them? Yes.
But I don’t personally memorialise the day. If this thread hasn’t popped up, I wouldn’t have known what the date is. |
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I remember working at Gatwick at the time. Before the event that place was the usual busy airport, days after it felt eerily quiet as all the American flights didn't fly.
Domestic flight crews were visably shaken, even airport security appeared a lot more nervous as well. |
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It is such a painful day for me.
As it is significant to the biggest loss of my life, but that is not related to this event.
And I feel a sense of shame that it overshadows something as huge as this. It is a very peculiar feeling and really not a very pleasant one.
I remember exactly where I was. I was stood in the front room of my gf house. She'd just broke my heart and was acting like she didn't care, she was twisting the knife, she liked to do that. Then I saw it on the TV and the weight of it hit me. Hit us both. A stunned silence. It suspended her viciousness. Well until I tried to leave and then she tried to stab me. I nearly lost my life that day.
There's so much personal pain associated with this day for me. When in another timeline, one less cruel, it should actually be a happy day, a day for celebration. And I feel a sense of guilt that I can't do that also.
Ambivalence is cruel. My heart would go out to those that lost loved ones and those that died in such horrendous circumstances. If I had anything left in me to give today. Like the people who died in the IRA bombing, in my home town. That for some reason entwines itself with this memory. Terror I think, the terror on their faces, thick in the air permeating everyone's bodies and anyone with any sense remaining could see in everyone's faces the fine veil of safety, now obvious by its absence.
I feel sorry for anyone who has experienced that sheer terror. It stays with you. The thought of anyone dying let alone a loved one, in such a way - is horrendous.
I apologise for my self-indulgence but I had to express that. Whatever it is - it is too painful to keep in. If only humans could be a little kinder. |
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"It is such a painful day for me.
As it is significant to the biggest loss of my life, but that is not related to this event.
And I feel a sense of shame that it overshadows something as huge as this. It is a very peculiar feeling and really not a very pleasant one.
I remember exactly where I was. I was stood in the front room of my gf house. She'd just broke my heart and was acting like she didn't care, she was twisting the knife, she liked to do that. Then I saw it on the TV and the weight of it hit me. Hit us both. A stunned silence. It suspended her viciousness. Well until I tried to leave and then she tried to stab me. I nearly lost my life that day.
There's so much personal pain associated with this day for me. When in another timeline, one less cruel, it should actually be a happy day, a day for celebration. And I feel a sense of guilt that I can't do that also.
Ambivalence is cruel. My heart would go out to those that lost loved ones and those that died in such horrendous circumstances. If I had anything left in me to give today. Like the people who died in the IRA bombing, in my home town. That for some reason entwines itself with this memory. Terror I think, the terror on their faces, thick in the air permeating everyone's bodies and anyone with any sense remaining could see in everyone's faces the fine veil of safety, now obvious by its absence.
I feel sorry for anyone who has experienced that sheer terror. It stays with you. The thought of anyone dying let alone a loved one, in such a way - is horrendous.
I apologise for my self-indulgence but I had to express that. Whatever it is - it is too painful to keep in. If only humans could be a little kinder. "
Fuck ...I'm so sorry you went through that.... hugs x |
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I was at ground zero 3 month after, l was just drawn there to see the devastation, the whole city was still numb. Crying didnt cover it. Two more bodies just identified. It will never go away. |
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"I still remember it like yesterday & will never forget x
J xSame here, it feels like it was yesterday as well x."
I was holding my newborn baby in my arms wondering what the hell the world would hold for them.
My grandparents were on a flight to the USA for a family wedding. They were diverted to Gander, Newfoundland, Canada for 3 days.
We visited the memorial in NY in 2020 & I cried most of the way round  |
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Blimey... 22 years! That makes me feel old. I remember waking up to the news on the radio and then putting the TV on to see it. I was travelling at the time and had to get a plane home not long after, v scary. |
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians. "
Needlessly unpleasant, I don’t see why anyone should have a monopoly on remembrance or how it’s phrased.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians. "
British and Commonwealth |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians.
Needlessly unpleasant, I don’t see why anyone should have a monopoly on remembrance or how it’s phrased. "
Having served in Afghanistan, repatriated dead boys and girls and attended the cenotaph on duty and hearing the words many many times, I along with most ex and still serving personnel would echo my comments.
It's an opinion that you didn't like or would have the foggiest what it ACTUALLY means.
Stand up and salute on 7/7 every year? Grenfell? Think a little closer to home. |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians.
Needlessly unpleasant, I don’t see why anyone should have a monopoly on remembrance or how it’s phrased.
Having served in Afghanistan, repatriated dead boys and girls and attended the cenotaph on duty and hearing the words many many times, I along with most ex and still serving personnel would echo my comments.
It's an opinion that you didn't like or would have the foggiest what it ACTUALLY means.
Stand up and salute on 7/7 every year? Grenfell? Think a little closer to home."
For some of us this day is closer to home than those days, or just as close.
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians.
Needlessly unpleasant, I don’t see why anyone should have a monopoly on remembrance or how it’s phrased.
Having served in Afghanistan, repatriated dead boys and girls and attended the cenotaph on duty and hearing the words many many times, I along with most ex and still serving personnel would echo my comments.
It's an opinion that you didn't like or would have the foggiest what it ACTUALLY means.
Stand up and salute on 7/7 every year? Grenfell? Think a little closer to home."
I think you’re missing the point entirely, no matter who died or where they are deserving of remembrance. If anything it’s you that need to be a little more broad minded
Thanks for your service but don’t presume to be the arbiter of who remembers what and how. |
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By *rufflesCouple
over a year ago
manchester |
" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians. "
"phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces"
Just where did you dig that statement up from??
Are you seriously suggesting that we do not recognise/ remember/pay our respects to any of our world wide allies....Americans, Aussies, Ghurkha's ect etc that have lost their lives to terrorism??
Oh and before you get on your high horse, I joined the RN in 1964 went to sea in a WW2 submarine at the age of 15 and some 59 years later am still working within British Government |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians.
Needlessly unpleasant, I don’t see why anyone should have a monopoly on remembrance or how it’s phrased.
Having served in Afghanistan, repatriated dead boys and girls and attended the cenotaph on duty and hearing the words many many times, I along with most ex and still serving personnel would echo my comments.
It's an opinion that you didn't like or would have the foggiest what it ACTUALLY means.
Stand up and salute on 7/7 every year? Grenfell? Think a little closer to home."
Your attitude is not what the military teaches,it's offensive to the relatives and friends,including 6O odd Brits. |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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Why the fuck can't we just have this day to remember our lost people, and to have others appreciate our losses, without someone getting all moody, political and generally dickish about it?
Human lives were lost. Human lives were affected, are affected and always will be affected by the events of that day. It doesn't take away from any other loss or life and no other loss of life is more or less important except to the individuals affected by those losses.
Every year those of us who have lost people in a well publicised way not only have to deal with our loss, we have to deal with the mass debates and conspiracy theories that take the attention away from the real, human story. It hurts all over again anyway, why make it worse?
You know what, I will remember them. We will remember them. Because we should. Whoever they are, however they were lost. And whatever the reason. No one gets to tell me how to grieve, or what words I can and can't use to honour the best man I ever knew. Fuck that. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"Why the fuck can't we just have this day to remember our lost people, and to have others appreciate our losses, without someone getting all moody, political and generally dickish about it?
Human lives were lost. Human lives were affected, are affected and always will be affected by the events of that day. It doesn't take away from any other loss or life and no other loss of life is more or less important except to the individuals affected by those losses.
Every year those of us who have lost people in a well publicised way not only have to deal with our loss, we have to deal with the mass debates and conspiracy theories that take the attention away from the real, human story. It hurts all over again anyway, why make it worse?
You know what, I will remember them. We will remember them. Because we should. Whoever they are, however they were lost. And whatever the reason. No one gets to tell me how to grieve, or what words I can and can't use to honour the best man I ever knew. Fuck that."
 well said. |
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By *edeWoman
over a year ago
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"Why the fuck can't we just have this day to remember our lost people, and to have others appreciate our losses, without someone getting all moody, political and generally dickish about it?
Human lives were lost. Human lives were affected, are affected and always will be affected by the events of that day. It doesn't take away from any other loss or life and no other loss of life is more or less important except to the individuals affected by those losses.
Every year those of us who have lost people in a well publicised way not only have to deal with our loss, we have to deal with the mass debates and conspiracy theories that take the attention away from the real, human story. It hurts all over again anyway, why make it worse?
You know what, I will remember them. We will remember them. Because we should. Whoever they are, however they were lost. And whatever the reason. No one gets to tell me how to grieve, or what words I can and can't use to honour the best man I ever knew. Fuck that."
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I will always remember where I was on this day, as only a few months before I was staying in a friend’s apartment only 2 blocks away from the twin towers. And we walked through mall and subway station there everday. Luckily my friend had moved back to the uk a few weeks before, but he had worked with people who lost their lives.
I remember feeling absolutely stunned when someone came into the joiners shop I was working in to tell us what was happening. We all ended up crowded round a small tv in the works canteen watching it all unfold. |
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Horrible day, remember feeling numb for days afterwards. The images of people jumping of the building kept playing in my mind. You actually seen it in the initial coverage. Later reports started editing them out.
As well as bringing back those memories and the needless loss of life that day. It also brings back memories of the criminal politicians and their subsequent opportunistic behaviour. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"I still remember it like yesterday & will never forget x
J xSame here, it feels like it was yesterday as well x.
I was holding my newborn baby in my arms wondering what the hell the world would hold for them.
My grandparents were on a flight to the USA for a family wedding. They were diverted to Gander, Newfoundland, Canada for 3 days.
We visited the memorial in NY in 2020 & I cried most of the way round "
I see yes, it is good that they were ok. I remembered that I was watching a program and suddenly it was interrupted by the bbc news covering what was happening there. I couldnt believe what was about to be unfolding there. |
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Having served in Afghanistan, repatriated dead boys and girls and attended the cenotaph on duty and hearing the words many many times, I along with most ex and still serving personnel would echo my comments.
It's an opinion that you didn't like or would have the foggiest what it ACTUALLY means.
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You are exhibiting a very narrow mindset and perhaps demonstrating a lack of understanding.
Do you know where the line “We will remember them” comes from? It was written in 1914 by Lawrence Binyon, in a poem called “The Fallen”. Later, it was adopted by the Royal British Legion. You will of course have heard it many times, especially at the Cenotaph.
I’m sure, I hope, that it’s not lost on you that the war in Afghanistan was triggered by the 9/11 attacks? Irrespective of any political views, surely In commemorating the lives lost in that war can extend to the lives lost that triggered the war? |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I dread the 11th September every year and I wasn’t even there - just watching the news coverage at the time was horrific enough.
I think of all those who lost their lives and the friends and families of those affected, and the survivors who sadly have passed away since due to illness brought on by the dust etc.
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" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians.
"phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces"
Just where did you dig that statement up from??
Are you seriously suggesting that we do not recognise/ remember/pay our respects to any of our world wide allies....Americans, Aussies, Ghurkha's ect etc that have lost their lives to terrorism??
Oh and before you get on your high horse, I joined the RN in 1964 went to sea in a WW2 submarine at the age of 15 and some 59 years later am still working within British Government "
It is a line from Laurance Binyons 'Ode to the Fallen', written about those that lost thier lives in the first world war. It has become an integral party of the Rememberance day ceremony. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
" we will remember them
No we won't.
And don't use a phrase dedicated to the fallen British armed forces for the American civilians. "
Ayyy? Just because you respect British war dead, doesn’t mean you can’t empathise with the families of murdered civilians.
There’s no monopoly on those words.
Blimey!
Gbat
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