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If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating. "
Windrush, from the little I know of it, was a fucking disgrace.
You know why we talk a lot about the things that are important to us?
Because they're important to us. If people don't like the things you post they don't have to read them.
Your life, your story, your thread.
Fuck 'em. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
Windrush, from the little I know of it, was a fucking disgrace.
You know why we talk a lot about the things that are important to us?
Because they're important to us. If people don't like the things you post they don't have to read them.
Your life, your story, your thread.
Fuck 'em."
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
Windrush, from the little I know of it, was a fucking disgrace.
You know why we talk a lot about the things that are important to us?
Because they're important to us. If people don't like the things you post they don't have to read them.
Your life, your story, your thread.
Fuck 'em.
Thanks man. I needed that. "
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We can’t all like what everyone posts and we don’t all agree with what everyone posts but you are allowed your own thoughts and feelings on things, thankfully we do live in a nation that accepts our desire to commentate on life experiences. Many countries prevent sharing of opinion, thoughts and feelings.
I agree, the windrush scandal is unforgivable. As is the racism that continues through the veins of so many. As the child of a refugee I encountered low level teasing for having an unusual name and a cosmopolitan family history that teachers and pupils had no understanding of, but I now present as a ‘typical’ middle aged British white woman so generally only encounter misogyny as the negative reaction amongst many positives.
Perhaps you need to volunteer for something that advocates for people, Steve? I think you’d be an amazing support person in the right network x |
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Please please don't stop talking about race. I know many give up because it becomes exhausting so thank you for persevering. Your posts give me a glimpse of what it is like to walk in your shoes and we all should welcome that.
I don't like sports so guess what I just skip this threads so all you haters just walk on by.
Windrush just wow. How did the person mostly involved become pm? That staggered me. My mother is an immigrant so in theory it could have happened to her too. But she's white and Swiss so no it wouldn't.
I think the story which still hurts my heart the most is all the girls taken forcably by ISIS. You too are a parent of girls so like me you must feel it hard too. As a parent you can't hurt us more than to take our kids. Sorry I've rambled off topic I just think about this so much.
Ok off to work. Keep posting Steve.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Please please don't stop talking about race. I know many give up because it becomes exhausting so thank you for persevering. Your posts give me a glimpse of what it is like to walk in your shoes and we all should welcome that.
I don't like sports so guess what I just skip this threads so all you haters just walk on by.
Windrush just wow. How did the person mostly involved become pm? That staggered me. My mother is an immigrant so in theory it could have happened to her too. But she's white and Swiss so no it wouldn't.
I think the story which still hurts my heart the most is all the girls taken forcably by ISIS. You too are a parent of girls so like me you must feel it hard too. As a parent you can't hurt us more than to take our kids. Sorry I've rambled off topic I just think about this so much.
Ok off to work. Keep posting Steve.
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How did it happen? You could ask the same about the final solution. How did it get to this stage. Multiple meetings, committees, research papers. Different options considered and that's the one that came out of the oven.
Windrush is one of those uncomfortable truths about British society. And like many uncomfortable truths, they aren't acknowledged publicly. I don't want to hijack this thread but I do want to draw a comparison to the actions of the British government in Northern Ireland. Like windrush it's an uncomfortable truth.
Pickle I understand you wanting to post on these things. And in the next breath I go; aww fuck, here we go again. There can be some good conversations and discussions on fab but nothing brings out the deplorables like race and society. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We can’t all like what everyone posts and we don’t all agree with what everyone posts but you are allowed your own thoughts and feelings on things, thankfully we do live in a nation that accepts our desire to commentate on life experiences. Many countries prevent sharing of opinion, thoughts and feelings.
I agree, the windrush scandal is unforgivable. As is the racism that continues through the veins of so many. As the child of a refugee I encountered low level teasing for having an unusual name and a cosmopolitan family history that teachers and pupils had no understanding of, but I now present as a ‘typical’ middle aged British white woman so generally only encounter misogyny as the negative reaction amongst many positives.
Perhaps you need to volunteer for something that advocates for people, Steve? I think you’d be an amazing support person in the right network x "
Maybe I will. Maybe I do. 
 no but yeah I appreciate this comment and your sharing of experience. I do feel lucky everyday that I can go and rant and criticise our government freely. It’s a privilege for sure. |
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I very rarely comment on race posts.
Because quite often I feel that I have no right to. But when people such as yourself with passion being it up a lot (not an insult - sometimes it’s a deep & meaningful and sometimes it’s a lighthearted one) it makes me think.
You remind me that perhaps the reason I don’t comment is actually the reason I possibly should. I don’t / never will / can’t fully understand. Because I’m lucky/privileged.
And I shouldn’t ever forget that. Or take it for granted. So please keep reminding me. Keep educating me. If we don’t learn we don’t change x
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Please please don't stop talking about race. I know many give up because it becomes exhausting so thank you for persevering. Your posts give me a glimpse of what it is like to walk in your shoes and we all should welcome that.
I don't like sports so guess what I just skip this threads so all you haters just walk on by.
Windrush just wow. How did the person mostly involved become pm? That staggered me. My mother is an immigrant so in theory it could have happened to her too. But she's white and Swiss so no it wouldn't.
I think the story which still hurts my heart the most is all the girls taken forcably by ISIS. You too are a parent of girls so like me you must feel it hard too. As a parent you can't hurt us more than to take our kids. Sorry I've rambled off topic I just think about this so much.
Ok off to work. Keep posting Steve.
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No but you’re so right!
Also on the windrush thing lol. I just feel so many things and so much anger. For the people that died. For the people that weren’t compensated. It’s just horrible how conditional your citizenship and right to be here is. I have my opinions on the way that the media and political commentators generally didn’t make Windrush or any other Tory racism a factor election or anything. But aside from it all, I just think eurgh I wish this shit didn’t happen and I sometimes wish I felt nothing about it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Please please don't stop talking about race. I know many give up because it becomes exhausting so thank you for persevering. Your posts give me a glimpse of what it is like to walk in your shoes and we all should welcome that.
I don't like sports so guess what I just skip this threads so all you haters just walk on by.
Windrush just wow. How did the person mostly involved become pm? That staggered me. My mother is an immigrant so in theory it could have happened to her too. But she's white and Swiss so no it wouldn't.
I think the story which still hurts my heart the most is all the girls taken forcably by ISIS. You too are a parent of girls so like me you must feel it hard too. As a parent you can't hurt us more than to take our kids. Sorry I've rambled off topic I just think about this so much.
Ok off to work. Keep posting Steve.
How did it happen? You could ask the same about the final solution. How did it get to this stage. Multiple meetings, committees, research papers. Different options considered and that's the one that came out of the oven.
Windrush is one of those uncomfortable truths about British society. And like many uncomfortable truths, they aren't acknowledged publicly. I don't want to hijack this thread but I do want to draw a comparison to the actions of the British government in Northern Ireland. Like windrush it's an uncomfortable truth.
Pickle I understand you wanting to post on these things. And in the next breath I go; aww fuck, here we go again. There can be some good conversations and discussions on fab but nothing brings out the deplorables like race and society. "
Your point on NI is not detracting, it’s welcome. I think these are things we shouldn’t feel we have to shy away from or not be able to share when they enter our minds.
You’re right on the deplorables. Maybe I’m a masochist. Can’t help myself. Or maybe I secretly don’t care about them idk |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I very rarely comment on race posts.
Because quite often I feel that I have no right to. But when people such as yourself with passion being it up a lot (not an insult - sometimes it’s a deep & meaningful and sometimes it’s a lighthearted one) it makes me think.
You remind me that perhaps the reason I don’t comment is actually the reason I possibly should. I don’t / never will / can’t fully understand. Because I’m lucky/privileged.
And I shouldn’t ever forget that. Or take it for granted. So please keep reminding me. Keep educating me. If we don’t learn we don’t change x
I hope that made sense. "
Misty- that made sense.
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My father-in-law and mother-in-law came to the UK in the Windrush generation. Well a different boat.
When I first met him, he wasn't exactly friendly lol. But then I'm not the easiest to get to know and I was a bit of a scally. We used to have dinner on Sundays at his house, sitting round the table - seemed very formal to me. Then one day he kind of broke the tension a little. 'Would you like to play dominoes, sir?' So we did and I won... 3 times straight.  . Then we played backgammon - same outcome. He threw the board against the wall in anger. Then he composed himself. He didn't apologise. He just got a bottle of Wray and nephew overproof out of the cabinet and two glasses. We drank that bad boy straight. And he shared where that anger came from.
They were asked to come to this country to rebuild it, after ww2. They grew up believing they were British citizens and would be treated as equals. Hell her mum was descendent from the Maroons. They knew their history. They travelled as teenagers, with no support here. And they were treated like shit, no other way to put it. People would charge them triple rent, for being black most refused them. He worked on the railways for years, she became a nurse and worked long after she should have retired.
Some of the experiences he shared, made me angry to my core. And then he said something that really humbled me. 'when you hate - you are hurting yourself.' As if he was reminding himself, almost like a prayer, or a mantra. This was one proud man, he still is, bless him. For him to show that emotional vulnerability to me was huge for him. And I realised what it was about. There's only one reason he would share that with me. I said: 'Sir I love your daughter, I'm not going to mess her around, you have my word.' We became good friends, more... he is like a father to me. We still call each other Sir, with an ironic fondness. The same way he and his 'family' have called each other Sir for decades, to compensate for the lack of respect they experienced and in jest at the belief they had about the way they would be treated, when they arrived in the UK: a bastion of civility - as proud citizens. Yes sir! In his prime that man would have put Dushane in his place, for preying upon the pickney. 'That's no way to do business.'
Scandal is an understatement it is a shameful outrage. Kmt. |
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating. "
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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For some reason, I was thinking about white privilege before I even got up this morning. I read a story late last night about Australia's St@len Generation. Which is a horrible chapter in Australia's history yet to be finished.
But despite my upset and anger reading about it - I never will relate to the way aboriginal children were treated. It won't occupy my thoughts as Windrush does for you. Because it's not my community. I know you don't want to feel as you feel some of the time - but if it's not too cheesy, I think you make a difference. And you will continue to do so. |
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I hadn't known about the windrush scandal but it wasn't through willful ignorance, I just don't ever recall it being talked about in the main new channels and media so apologies for being so uninformed about it but having read a few articles on it, I'm genuinely appalled by this...
Imagine bringing people over to work when the country was in its knees and then just disregarding them when you think you don't need them anymore. It's absolutely disgraceful and no way to treat citizens. Thank you Pickle for creating this thread as I hope it's helping others learn as well |
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Pickle, keep on posting, keep on advocating, keep on sharing your experiences and thoughts and views because it was the silence of others that allowed my ancestors to be systematically slaughtered. "It's not my problem" only works until they come for you.
A poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Substitute the word "Jew" and it could happen to any racial group or demographic group, unless people speak out and unless we uncover truths and educate the next generation.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My father-in-law and mother-in-law came to the UK in the Windrush generation. Well a different boat.
When I first met him, he wasn't exactly friendly lol. But then I'm not the easiest to get to know and I was a bit of a scally. We used to have dinner on Sundays at his house, sitting round the table - seemed very formal to me. Then one day he kind of broke the tension a little. 'Would you like to play dominoes, sir?' So we did and I won... 3 times straight. . Then we played backgammon - same outcome. He threw the board against the wall in anger. Then he composed himself. He didn't apologise. He just got a bottle of Wray and nephew overproof out of the cabinet and two glasses. We drank that bad boy straight. And he shared where that anger came from.
They were asked to come to this country to rebuild it, after ww2. They grew up believing they were British citizens and would be treated as equals. Hell her mum was descendent from the Maroons. They knew their history. They travelled as teenagers, with no support here. And they were treated like shit, no other way to put it. People would charge them triple rent, for being black most refused them. He worked on the railways for years, she became a nurse and worked long after she should have retired.
Some of the experiences he shared, made me angry to my core. And then he said something that really humbled me. 'when you hate - you are hurting yourself.' As if he was reminding himself, almost like a prayer, or a mantra. This was one proud man, he still is, bless him. For him to show that emotional vulnerability to me was huge for him. And I realised what it was about. There's only one reason he would share that with me. I said: 'Sir I love your daughter, I'm not going to mess her around, you have my word.' We became good friends, more... he is like a father to me. We still call each other Sir, with an ironic fondness. The same way he and his 'family' have called each other Sir for decades, to compensate for the lack of respect they experienced and in jest at the belief they had about the way they would be treated, when they arrived in the UK: a bastion of civility - as proud citizens. Yes sir! In his prime that man would have put Dushane in his place, for preying upon the pickney. 'That's no way to do business.'
Scandal is an understatement it is a shameful outrage. Kmt. "
You’re literally one of my favourite fabbers. Thank you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean?"
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"For some reason, I was thinking about white privilege before I even got up this morning. I read a story late last night about Australia's St@len Generation. Which is a horrible chapter in Australia's history yet to be finished.
But despite my upset and anger reading about it - I never will relate to the way aboriginal children were treated. It won't occupy my thoughts as Windrush does for you. Because it's not my community. I know you don't want to feel as you feel some of the time - but if it's not too cheesy, I think you make a difference. And you will continue to do so. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I hadn't known about the windrush scandal but it wasn't through willful ignorance, I just don't ever recall it being talked about in the main new channels and media so apologies for being so uninformed about it but having read a few articles on it, I'm genuinely appalled by this...
Imagine bringing people over to work when the country was in its knees and then just disregarding them when you think you don't need them anymore. It's absolutely disgraceful and no way to treat citizens. Thank you Pickle for creating this thread as I hope it's helping others learn as well "
You’re a real one Joe. But people aren’t like you. They don’t seek to learn. And that’s ok I’m not a teacher. But I appreciate you |
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"Pickle, keep on posting, keep on advocating, keep on sharing your experiences and thoughts and views because it was the silence of others that allowed my ancestors to be systematically slaughtered. "It's not my problem" only works until they come for you.
A poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Substitute the word "Jew" and it could happen to any racial group or demographic group, unless people speak out and unless we uncover truths and educate the next generation.
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I knot the poem well! Funnily enough I think the guy was problematic but I don’t remember why. Also it’s like the Audre Lorde quote ‘your silence will not protect you’. Theee issues are everyone’s business. I hope more people realise that. |
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"Pickle, keep on posting, keep on advocating, keep on sharing your experiences and thoughts and views because it was the silence of others that allowed my ancestors to be systematically slaughtered. "It's not my problem" only works until they come for you.
A poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Substitute the word "Jew" and it could happen to any racial group or demographic group, unless people speak out and unless we uncover truths and educate the next generation.
I knot the poem well! Funnily enough I think the guy was problematic but I don’t remember why. Also it’s like the Audre Lorde quote ‘your silence will not protect you’. Theee issues are everyone’s business. I hope more people realise that. "
Yes, he initially effectively supported the Nazi regime but changed his views. Can't share academic links, but here's the Wiki on the poem's author: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
These issues ARE everyone's business and while some people keep their blinkers on and accept the status quo, we will continue ingrained racism and discrimination, unfortunately. |
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"Pickle, keep on posting, keep on advocating, keep on sharing your experiences and thoughts and views because it was the silence of others that allowed my ancestors to be systematically slaughtered. "It's not my problem" only works until they come for you.
A poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Substitute the word "Jew" and it could happen to any racial group or demographic group, unless people speak out and unless we uncover truths and educate the next generation.
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
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"Please please don't stop talking about race. I know many give up because it becomes exhausting so thank you for persevering. Your posts give me a glimpse of what it is like to walk in your shoes and we all should welcome that.
I don't like sports so guess what I just skip this threads so all you haters just walk on by.
Windrush just wow. How did the person mostly involved become pm? That staggered me. My mother is an immigrant so in theory it could have happened to her too. But she's white and Swiss so no it wouldn't.
I think the story which still hurts my heart the most is all the girls taken forcably by ISIS. You too are a parent of girls so like me you must feel it hard too. As a parent you can't hurt us more than to take our kids. Sorry I've rambled off topic I just think about this so much.
Ok off to work. Keep posting Steve.
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I've given up cause partly people don't want to hear it and partly because people will always make excuses for their racist nonsense which is also as damaging to poc who have to see it |
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"Pickle, keep on posting, keep on advocating, keep on sharing your experiences and thoughts and views because it was the silence of others that allowed my ancestors to be systematically slaughtered. "It's not my problem" only works until they come for you.
A poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Substitute the word "Jew" and it could happen to any racial group or demographic group, unless people speak out and unless we uncover truths and educate the next generation.
No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess "
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa |
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa "
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B"
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared. |
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared. "
But they are comparable. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't be.
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared.
But they are comparable. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't be.
B"
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared.
But they are comparable. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't be.
B"
I think B it’s more that comparisons do no good. There’s for sure similarities but for me, there’s no good that comes from comparison. It invariably leads to undermining one group’s specific experience.
I do hear you though. Many things were similar. But also, ultimately, the discrimination was different. For though they may share similarities, antisemitism and antiblackness are very different. |
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared.
But they are comparable. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't be.
B
I think B it’s more that comparisons do no good. There’s for sure similarities but for me, there’s no good that comes from comparison. It invariably leads to undermining one group’s specific experience.
I do hear you though. Many things were similar. But also, ultimately, the discrimination was different. For though they may share similarities, antisemitism and antiblackness are very different. "
Fr 
I was just getting a 'this genocide was worse' vibe.
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I recently watched the billie holiday story and then googled afterwards the story of the lyrics to strange fruit.
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared.
But they are comparable. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't be.
B
I think B it’s more that comparisons do no good. There’s for sure similarities but for me, there’s no good that comes from comparison. It invariably leads to undermining one group’s specific experience.
I do hear you though. Many things were similar. But also, ultimately, the discrimination was different. For though they may share similarities, antisemitism and antiblackness are very different.
Fr
I was just getting a 'this genocide was worse' vibe.
B"
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No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa
Without wishing to trivialise, if that's the right word, the horrors of the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people, these opinions and, let's say optimistically, niieve.
No it isn't the oppression Olympics, but if you look at the s****e trade there are many parallels to the holocaust. People were imprisoned, transported and used for forced labour. There wasn't the industrialised murder on quite the same scale but the 2+ million or so people who died in transit, or who were thrown overboard still chained to those who died were not guilty of anything other than 'being black'
Murder on a pre-industrial scale perhaps.
And to say it can't happen to any other racial or demographic group is just wrong. The genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda and Muslim men in Bosnia are just two examples of it happening in my lifetime.
B
The key words in my post were "and vice versa"
I didn't once say what happened to the Jewish community was worse or what happened to the black community was worse.
They were both bad but shouldn't be compared.
But they are comparable. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't be.
B
I think B it’s more that comparisons do no good. There’s for sure similarities but for me, there’s no good that comes from comparison. It invariably leads to undermining one group’s specific experience.
I do hear you though. Many things were similar. But also, ultimately, the discrimination was different. For though they may share similarities, antisemitism and antiblackness are very different.
Fr
I was just getting a 'this genocide was worse' vibe.
B
Not sure how you got that vibe when I specifically said multiple times that neither one was worse than the other "
It might not have been from you
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"Pickle, keep on posting, keep on advocating, keep on sharing your experiences and thoughts and views because it was the silence of others that allowed my ancestors to be systematically slaughtered. "It's not my problem" only works until they come for you.
A poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Substitute the word "Jew" and it could happen to any racial group or demographic group, unless people speak out and unless we uncover truths and educate the next generation.
No, don't substitute the word "Jew" for anything. That's extremely offensive to Jews, considering the poem was mainly written on reflection of the horrors the Nazis inflicted upon my people.
Bess
Agreed! What happened to Jewish people could NOT happen to any racial group or demographic at all
Obviously it's not oppression Olympics but what happened to Jewish people is not comparable to what happened to black people and vice versa "
I didn't mean to offend anyone, I also had family murdered in the Holocaust. I wrote what happened to Jewish people COULD happen to other groups. Not that it is happening right now.
Apologies if that wasn't clear or if anyone has been offended. |
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NEVER EVER change Steve! You bring so much to so many with threads such as this, I’ve read through all the comments and honestly feel so heartbroken reading about others lived and learned experiences. You bring so much to the forums |
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It doesn't matter to me what colour or what country or religion you are we are from the same place really earth and it makes me suck to the pit of my stomach when I hear how some people are treated because of one thing or another because of the way they are I if we all took the time to treat people just as we want to be treated and became more friendly to strangers and just say hello and not just look at them with a funny glance that would be a good start but you will find that through out the years with all the horrible things that has happened before us that we would of learnt from the way people get mistreated and try to help instead of hurting others this might of gone off conversation but I just wanted to share this. |
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"My father-in-law and mother-in-law came to the UK in the Windrush generation. Well a different boat.
When I first met him, he wasn't exactly friendly lol. But then I'm not the easiest to get to know and I was a bit of a scally. We used to have dinner on Sundays at his house, sitting round the table - seemed very formal to me. Then one day he kind of broke the tension a little. 'Would you like to play dominoes, sir?' So we did and I won... 3 times straight. . Then we played backgammon - same outcome. He threw the board against the wall in anger. Then he composed himself. He didn't apologise. He just got a bottle of Wray and nephew overproof out of the cabinet and two glasses. We drank that bad boy straight. And he shared where that anger came from.
They were asked to come to this country to rebuild it, after ww2. They grew up believing they were British citizens and would be treated as equals. Hell her mum was descendent from the Maroons. They knew their history. They travelled as teenagers, with no support here. And they were treated like shit, no other way to put it. People would charge them triple rent, for being black most refused them. He worked on the railways for years, she became a nurse and worked long after she should have retired.
Some of the experiences he shared, made me angry to my core. And then he said something that really humbled me. 'when you hate - you are hurting yourself.' As if he was reminding himself, almost like a prayer, or a mantra. This was one proud man, he still is, bless him. For him to show that emotional vulnerability to me was huge for him. And I realised what it was about. There's only one reason he would share that with me. I said: 'Sir I love your daughter, I'm not going to mess her around, you have my word.' We became good friends, more... he is like a father to me. We still call each other Sir, with an ironic fondness. The same way he and his 'family' have called each other Sir for decades, to compensate for the lack of respect they experienced and in jest at the belief they had about the way they would be treated, when they arrived in the UK: a bastion of civility - as proud citizens. Yes sir! In his prime that man would have put Dushane in his place, for preying upon the pickney. 'That's no way to do business.'
Scandal is an understatement it is a shameful outrage. Kmt.
You’re literally one of my favourite fabbers. Thank you. "
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean?
I don’t "
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean?
I don’t
Is it for you to solve the race issue or those who are racists,"
Maybe sometimes the racists need someone to hold a mirror up for them.
How often do you hear them say its just a bit of banter or am not racist I have bla bla friends.
But their words are always raising alarm bells. |
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean?
I don’t
Is it for you to solve the race issue or those who are racists,"
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean?
I don’t
Is it for you to solve the race issue or those who are racists,
Maybe sometimes the racists need someone to hold a mirror up for them.
How often do you hear them say its just a bit of banter or am not racist I have bla bla friends.
But their words are always raising alarm bells."
Totally get what you're saying Mr Pickle, keep on posting your truths.
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating.
I wonder if this race issue is your issue that you wish to put out there.
Or the actual racists issue which they are afraid to put out there.
know what I mean?
I don’t
Is it for you to solve the race issue or those who are racists,
What motivation would a racist have to rid the world of racism? "
What I am attempting to say, is people who have been or are presently racist live among us, and we tolerate their ideals, when we should be tackling those ideals every time we come across it, it is up to us to tackle racist and rid them from our culture, not those who suffer from it in my opinion. |
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"If you don’t like it, don’t comment.
Yesterday I was watching Top Boy and I was triggered by a scene in the first episode. And I think it’s really important when art reflects realities and tells stories.
Yesterday it triggered thoughts on the windrush scandal and how horrid it must have been for those victims. I went to the theatre and watched ‘For Black boys that have considered suicide when the hue gets too heavy’ and I cried so much one night about how real it was. But yeah, it’s so nice to see real stories told through art but it’s sometimes like, I wish we didn’t have to do this to get people to realise how bad things are.
I know race is important to me and for some people I talk about it a lot, too much for some, but I don’t know how to not feel something about these things. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so many things about it all.
No questions here. Just thoughts. Thoughts and vulnerability. And I decided to throw it here, god knows why, just to get it out I think.
Have a nice FriYAY if you’re celebrating. "
I grew up in 70's Birmingham went to a school of 1800 kids...all white with crew cut haircuts (i.e. Skinheads), yes the girls as well...80% of them wore Doc marten boots and had APL (anti paki league) on their rucksacks...
Of 1800 kids only 3 black lads, 4 Asians. ...
The school was in an area that had the only national front councillor elected in the country!
First week they called me Paki till I had a fight and kicked the shit out of one then they just called me Stan! I was too naive to understand Paki-Stan....
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