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Effective incomes are little different from before the financial crash, so living standards have fallen. Many are also in very precarious positions, insecure housing, multiple insecure jobs etc. Expanded wealth inequalities have prevailed, leaving suffering. |
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"Effective incomes are little different from before the financial crash, so living standards have fallen. Many are also in very precarious positions, insecure housing, multiple insecure jobs etc. Expanded wealth inequalities have prevailed, leaving suffering. "
All of this.
Plus increase in mental health struggles within a healthcare system that is ill equipped to help.
I witnessed it myself yesterday on school drop off. A little boy in non uniform and dirty too small looking trainers that were also not uniform.
I wonder how I can extend an offer of help as time goes on.
We live in an area that is considered deprived. The local homeless charity who do wonders for all aspects of the community have a free uniform bank.
Initiatives like this can make all the difference for parents. |
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Not related to schools but the hygiene thing reminded me of last week on our local f book page a woman posted anonymous because she was embarrassed! Her pay day was the Friday think this was a Tuesday ! She said she had everything she needed food electric but mother nature came calling and she literally had zero money! She was basically asking if there were any charities that gave sanitary protection in ashford! How sad is that? Fortunately there were lots of kind people offering to help her! X |
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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago
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"Effective incomes are little different from before the financial crash, so living standards have fallen. Many are also in very precarious positions, insecure housing, multiple insecure jobs etc. Expanded wealth inequalities have prevailed, leaving suffering.
All of this.
Plus increase in mental health struggles within a healthcare system that is ill equipped to help.
I witnessed it myself yesterday on school drop off. A little boy in non uniform and dirty too small looking trainers that were also not uniform.
I wonder how I can extend an offer of help as time goes on.
We live in an area that is considered deprived. The local homeless charity who do wonders for all aspects of the community have a free uniform bank.
Initiatives like this can make all the difference for parents. "
This is a good (and unfortunately necessary idea) - one of our local churches runs a uniform bank. If anyone is struggling, a quick Google for one in your area may turn something up. |
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"The schools aren't there anymore, Tom. They're fallen down.
This country is going to RAAC and ruin, Tom. What are you going to do about it?"
No further than the truth.. |
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"Not related to schools but the hygiene thing reminded me of last week on our local f book page a woman posted anonymous because she was embarrassed! Her pay day was the Friday think this was a Tuesday ! She said she had everything she needed food electric but mother nature came calling and she literally had zero money! She was basically asking if there were any charities that gave sanitary protection in ashford! How sad is that? Fortunately there were lots of kind people offering to help her! X"
The poor lady, I really feel for her. It must be horrendous, and especially if they don't have any family or friends to turn to for help. Sone people must be very strong characters to keep battling on in these difficult times. |
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"One of the things we were advised to look out for on safeguarding courses was hygiene problems. It's often a sign of neglect "
Likewise for me on all my training |
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"Not related to schools but the hygiene thing reminded me of last week on our local f book page a woman posted anonymous because she was embarrassed! Her pay day was the Friday think this was a Tuesday ! She said she had everything she needed food electric but mother nature came calling and she literally had zero money! She was basically asking if there were any charities that gave sanitary protection in ashford! How sad is that? Fortunately there were lots of kind people offering to help her! X
The poor lady, I really feel for her. It must be horrendous, and especially if they don't have any family or friends to turn to for help. Sone people must be very strong characters to keep battling on in these difficult times."
Yep.
Boots used to have a hygiene donation point, not sure if they still do. Food banks will take feminine hygiene products, shampoo, soap, deodorant etc.
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it. |
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"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it."
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap. |
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From a safeguarding point of view most educational establishments dealing with primary and secondary age pupils will have a dedicated safeguarding officer. They're tasked with determining if it's neglect or poverty or a mix of both |
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If you have decent school uniforms donate them to a local charity. Nearly all areas will have a charity, religious group or community group that cleans uniforms and gives them in to people that need them.
If you have spare money you can donate to the Hygiene Bank Or Suds for Schools. They are running a project currently putting washing machines into schools.
A staggering amount of teachers take deodorants, wipes, soap, toothbrushes in for children. If you are part of the PTA you could run a hygiene drive and get donations of products for local families.
None of these fix the root cause but they do help to alleviate the pressure on the child. |
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I suspect there's also a time element. People are maybe working longer hours, return to office vs WFH is affecting peoples homeives after so long of WFH that people are dropping the ball on certain things.
Also energy is more expensive, less inclination to do multiple loads of washing. For example my kids both have PE twice a week. Potentially needing either double PE kit or to wash it.
It's easy to argue that your child comes first, but if your choices are feed your kid or wash their uniform etc.
Obviously can't explain the teeth brushing but I guess that's possibly a consequence of parental stress and just being overwhelmed.
Regardless of the reasons, it's sad for the children |
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"If you have decent school uniforms donate them to a local charity. Nearly all areas will have a charity, religious group or community group that cleans uniforms and gives them in to people that need them.
If you have spare money you can donate to the Hygiene Bank Or Suds for Schools. They are running a project currently putting washing machines into schools.
A staggering amount of teachers take deodorants, wipes, soap, toothbrushes in for children. If you are part of the PTA you could run a hygiene drive and get donations of products for local families.
None of these fix the root cause but they do help to alleviate the pressure on the child. "
We offered our daughter's outgrown uniform via a parent's WhatsApp chat, obviously to communicate with anyone who wanted it (free) privately. No-one took us up on the offer, which included shoes, dresses, cardigans, outdoor kit (wellies). We will be handing it over to the school for spares...... It surprised me because many parents have previously expressed difficulty in affording things like trips, so we thought people would want free, good quality second hand uniform. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it.
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap. "
What about,what about,what about.They were working parents.The launderette had deals for bulk clothing.The kids were eligible for free school meals,which over a week probably saved the parents the cost of showers and washing clothes.What about being a parent?If you've lost your job and are on your arse that's a different story.Bad parenting(neglect)is bad parenting regardless of the cost of this and that and those damned evil Tories. |
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"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it.
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap.
What about,what about,what about.They were working parents.The launderette had deals for bulk clothing.The kids were eligible for free school meals,which over a week probably saved the parents the cost of showers and washing clothes.What about being a parent?If you've lost your job and are on your arse that's a different story.Bad parenting(neglect)is bad parenting regardless of the cost of this and that and those damned evil Tories."
Working people on minimum wages struggle to pay for the increased cost of utilities. The costs have gone up 40-50% in some cases, whilst wages and benefits certainly have not. How is a parent on low wages supposed to keep affording ever increasing costs like that? Inflation is still at 8-9% or more. And it's been 10-11% for much of the past year. |
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"If you have decent school uniforms donate them to a local charity. Nearly all areas will have a charity, religious group or community group that cleans uniforms and gives them in to people that need them.
If you have spare money you can donate to the Hygiene Bank Or Suds for Schools. They are running a project currently putting washing machines into schools.
A staggering amount of teachers take deodorants, wipes, soap, toothbrushes in for children. If you are part of the PTA you could run a hygiene drive and get donations of products for local families.
None of these fix the root cause but they do help to alleviate the pressure on the child.
We offered our daughter's outgrown uniform via a parent's WhatsApp chat, obviously to communicate with anyone who wanted it (free) privately. No-one took us up on the offer, which included shoes, dresses, cardigans, outdoor kit (wellies). We will be handing it over to the school for spares...... It surprised me because many parents have previously expressed difficulty in affording things like trips, so we thought people would want free, good quality second hand uniform. "
There is a charity set up around here for this very reason. They knew there was a strong need but discovered people didn’t want to take directly from another parent, a lot didn’t want to be seen to be taking handouts. Pride plays a huge role in being able to accept help. It’s easier to take help from an anonymous charity than another parent.
We also have a food waste program that takes excess fresh food from supermarkets and hands it to families that need it. When a £1 payment ( for as much as you needed) was implemented people started using the service more. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it.
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap.
What about,what about,what about.They were working parents.The launderette had deals for bulk clothing.The kids were eligible for free school meals,which over a week probably saved the parents the cost of showers and washing clothes.What about being a parent?If you've lost your job and are on your arse that's a different story.Bad parenting(neglect)is bad parenting regardless of the cost of this and that and those damned evil Tories.
Working people on minimum wages struggle to pay for the increased cost of utilities. The costs have gone up 40-50% in some cases, whilst wages and benefits certainly have not. How is a parent on low wages supposed to keep affording ever increasing costs like that? Inflation is still at 8-9% or more. And it's been 10-11% for much of the past year. "
Do those figures apply to the 70's -80's?.We also knew the parents,where they worked and what job.There were three big employers at the time.Funny then,that some parents doing the same job in the same place for the same wage living in the same type of council housing could look after their kids.
There is neglect and there is finding yourself in a shit financial position.No excuse for one and a reason for the other. |
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"If you have decent school uniforms donate them to a local charity. Nearly all areas will have a charity, religious group or community group that cleans uniforms and gives them in to people that need them.
If you have spare money you can donate to the Hygiene Bank Or Suds for Schools. They are running a project currently putting washing machines into schools.
A staggering amount of teachers take deodorants, wipes, soap, toothbrushes in for children. If you are part of the PTA you could run a hygiene drive and get donations of products for local families.
None of these fix the root cause but they do help to alleviate the pressure on the child.
We offered our daughter's outgrown uniform via a parent's WhatsApp chat, obviously to communicate with anyone who wanted it (free) privately. No-one took us up on the offer, which included shoes, dresses, cardigans, outdoor kit (wellies). We will be handing it over to the school for spares...... It surprised me because many parents have previously expressed difficulty in affording things like trips, so we thought people would want free, good quality second hand uniform.
There is a charity set up around here for this very reason. They knew there was a strong need but discovered people didn’t want to take directly from another parent, a lot didn’t want to be seen to be taking handouts. Pride plays a huge role in being able to accept help. It’s easier to take help from an anonymous charity than another parent.
We also have a food waste program that takes excess fresh food from supermarkets and hands it to families that need it. When a £1 payment ( for as much as you needed) was implemented people started using the service more. "
We just found it curious because people have openly accepted things like outgrown bikes and toys from other parents. Parents have accepted contributions towards trips when they couldn't afford it (a group of us paid towards 4 children because without additional contributions, the whole thing would be cancelled), but uniform hasn't been accepted. We understand people might feel embarrassed but seeing as other offers had been accepted in a group environment, we just thought it was a bit unusual.
Anyway, school provide stuff for those who cannot afford it and need spares for the inevitable accidents etc so it'll go to good use. |
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"If you have decent school uniforms donate them to a local charity. Nearly all areas will have a charity, religious group or community group that cleans uniforms and gives them in to people that need them.
If you have spare money you can donate to the Hygiene Bank Or Suds for Schools. They are running a project currently putting washing machines into schools.
A staggering amount of teachers take deodorants, wipes, soap, toothbrushes in for children. If you are part of the PTA you could run a hygiene drive and get donations of products for local families.
None of these fix the root cause but they do help to alleviate the pressure on the child.
We offered our daughter's outgrown uniform via a parent's WhatsApp chat, obviously to communicate with anyone who wanted it (free) privately. No-one took us up on the offer, which included shoes, dresses, cardigans, outdoor kit (wellies). We will be handing it over to the school for spares...... It surprised me because many parents have previously expressed difficulty in affording things like trips, so we thought people would want free, good quality second hand uniform.
There is a charity set up around here for this very reason. They knew there was a strong need but discovered people didn’t want to take directly from another parent, a lot didn’t want to be seen to be taking handouts. Pride plays a huge role in being able to accept help. It’s easier to take help from an anonymous charity than another parent.
We also have a food waste program that takes excess fresh food from supermarkets and hands it to families that need it. When a £1 payment ( for as much as you needed) was implemented people started using the service more. "
Charity is much more difficult to accept than to give. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it.
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap.
What about,what about,what about.They were working parents.The launderette had deals for bulk clothing.The kids were eligible for free school meals,which over a week probably saved the parents the cost of showers and washing clothes.What about being a parent?If you've lost your job and are on your arse that's a different story.Bad parenting(neglect)is bad parenting regardless of the cost of this and that and those damned evil Tories."
Why do people reject the Labour Party continually. Comrade Corbyn has lots to answer for.. |
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"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it.
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap.
What about,what about,what about.They were working parents.The launderette had deals for bulk clothing.The kids were eligible for free school meals,which over a week probably saved the parents the cost of showers and washing clothes.What about being a parent?If you've lost your job and are on your arse that's a different story.Bad parenting(neglect)is bad parenting regardless of the cost of this and that and those damned evil Tories.
Working people on minimum wages struggle to pay for the increased cost of utilities. The costs have gone up 40-50% in some cases, whilst wages and benefits certainly have not. How is a parent on low wages supposed to keep affording ever increasing costs like that? Inflation is still at 8-9% or more. And it's been 10-11% for much of the past year.
Do those figures apply to the 70's -80's?.We also knew the parents,where they worked and what job.There were three big employers at the time.Funny then,that some parents doing the same job in the same place for the same wage living in the same type of council housing could look after their kids.
There is neglect and there is finding yourself in a shit financial position.No excuse for one and a reason for the other."
Are we in the 70/80s? No.
Though, the same arguments apply. I understand that the 70s were a period of massive industrial unrest, strikes, power outages and other issues. I understand that Mrs Thatcher was elected in the 80s alleged to remediate these things. Which caused further social unrest and difficulties for many people. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
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"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it.
What about the cost of the electricity/gas to heat the water to bathe/shower? What about the cost of the power and water to run a washing machine? What about the cost of a washing machine? Of using a launderette? What about those things? Not cheap.
What about,what about,what about.They were working parents.The launderette had deals for bulk clothing.The kids were eligible for free school meals,which over a week probably saved the parents the cost of showers and washing clothes.What about being a parent?If you've lost your job and are on your arse that's a different story.Bad parenting(neglect)is bad parenting regardless of the cost of this and that and those damned evil Tories.
Working people on minimum wages struggle to pay for the increased cost of utilities. The costs have gone up 40-50% in some cases, whilst wages and benefits certainly have not. How is a parent on low wages supposed to keep affording ever increasing costs like that? Inflation is still at 8-9% or more. And it's been 10-11% for much of the past year.
Do those figures apply to the 70's -80's?.We also knew the parents,where they worked and what job.There were three big employers at the time.Funny then,that some parents doing the same job in the same place for the same wage living in the same type of council housing could look after their kids.
There is neglect and there is finding yourself in a shit financial position.No excuse for one and a reason for the other.
Are we in the 70/80s? No.
Though, the same arguments apply. I understand that the 70s were a period of massive industrial unrest, strikes, power outages and other issues. I understand that Mrs Thatcher was elected in the 80s alleged to remediate these things. Which caused further social unrest and difficulties for many people. "
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"Nothing new.When I was at school in the 70's to mid 80's there were kids who were a bit "ripe", shall we say.Parental neglect in all cases,working parents in all cases.Whilst the cost of a school uniform is still silly,the cost of soap,shampoo and washing powder isn't and it's cost free for a parent to apply it."
Every time I go to buy cleaning products I have a heart attack because what used to be £2 is now £6, especially washing machine products. Superdrug used to be cheap, used to be, toothpaste can be £5 upwards.
Working people still have to budget, roof over head and bills or food?
Like to see MPs give up their wages which we pay of £90k to help and their £120k expenses stopped.
I work, but cannot afford lots of items because of price hikes. That is every time I shop £2 is added on to what was 'affordable'
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"One of the things we were advised to look out for on safeguarding courses was hygiene problems. It's often a sign of neglect
Or the family are so poor they have no money to buy them!"
Yes but it would be awful to miss neglect because it was automatically assumed parents were too poor.
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"One of the things we were advised to look out for on safeguarding courses was hygiene problems. It's often a sign of neglect
Or the family are so poor they have no money to buy them!"
Neglect and poverty aren't mutually exclusive. A child who can't have the basics provided for due to poverty is effectively experiencing neglect. |
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