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RAAC this School building stuff?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Concrete weakening and structural defects had existed far longer than any government. The relation between the two is a far, far reach. Concrete problems will continue long into the future. There are specialists who have identified and found ways to address concrete lifespan problems to achieve material expectations of concrete between 75-100 years, but even so concrete isn’t a construction material that you place and just allow it to age endlessly. There are variables now that are constantly changing, and will continue to exist that causes weakening, cracking, and spalling (separation or breaking). As a reactive construction material the only way to truly eliminate this as a problem is to not use it.
There are industry standards that address the issue from a construction design, construction materials management, and asset management standpoint which are followed worldwide. This isn’t a U.K. only problem, nor a government party problem. The two couldn’t be on more of never intersecting parallels. |
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"What you all make of it is it the final nail in the coffin of the Tory Party
ARE you like thinking we need an early G/E?"
When were the schools with this problem built?
Of all the things to blame them for. Not sure this is one of them. But sure everything will be up for grabs soon. Sometimes the world isnt perfect. |
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Hell no, we need solutions to problems, not more waffle on look how shit its been under tory blame. All they seem to be able to do is blame others not provide solutions
We need a new party combining tories money making, with labour's social skills, I vote wonko  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This has been going on waaaayyyyyy before the tories and probs was the brain child of another party at the time however yes it’s a huge issue for current government 
Just more tax to be payed by the taxpayers (shrug) |
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Successive Governments have failed to invest in a proper renovation/rebuilding programme for schools. A lot were flung up in the 60/70s to accommodate a rapidly expanding population, using cheap materials. They were never supposed to last 40-50yrs plus. But seems no-one put money aside for rebuilding or renovation after 30-odd years. The Conservative Govt was the one in power 30-ish years after many of these schools were built, so they are responsible for the most recent failings to remediate things before they became a serious issue.
Same as above applies to hospitals, council built housing and many other things that were flung up in an era of extremely rapid population growth. |
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By *.T.Man
over a year ago
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Concrete is crumbling in schools, blame the Tories.
Not enough schools have been built, blame the Tories.
I appreciate that funding from Central Government is an issue, but the responsibility lies somewhere between the local authority inspection regimes, building standards at the time and construction companies.
I'm not one for defending Government but beyond budgets, I don't think a General Election will resolve things.
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"Concrete is crumbling in schools, blame the Tories.
Not enough schools have been built, blame the Tories.
I appreciate that funding from Central Government is an issue, but the responsibility lies somewhere between the local authority inspection regimes, building standards at the time and construction companies.
I'm not one for defending Government but beyond budgets, I don't think a General Election will resolve things.
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LAs are funded by the Govt, so the fiscal responsibility is indirect but it IS Govt responsibility. |
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"Hell no, we need solutions to problems, not more waffle on look how shit its been under tory blame. All they seem to be able to do is blame others not provide solutions
We need a new party combining tories money making, with labour's social skills, I vote wonko "
We're definitely screwed then |
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It’s worth remembering that Labour set aside a reasonable budget to repair and maintain these exact issues in schools but then under Tory governance Gove scrapped that and cancelled all the work. Him doing so was literally judged unlawful, yet he and his party wandered off scot-free. |
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It’s being going in for years and multiple governments, so much as it pains me Rishi is right, we can’t hold him solely accountable for this.
Nevertheless someone in government over a prolonged period has given the ok for companies to build buildings for public use out of semi hardened aero bars ffs! |
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"What you all make of it is it the final nail in the coffin of the Tory Party
ARE you like thinking we need an early G/E?"
Problem is there still isn’t much of an opposition, and those who voted the Tories in would still back them if they were culling the firstborn of every household, and somehow blaming it on immigrants, sexual deviancy and folk too lazy to work.
What bugs me is they used to at least pretend not to be corrupt self-serving narcissists. Now they just wave it in our faces and laugh.
Look at Dorris and her resignation “with immediate effect”. |
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"Concrete weakening and structural defects had existed far longer than any government. The relation between the two is a far, far reach. Concrete problems will continue long into the future. There are specialists who have identified and found ways to address concrete lifespan problems to achieve material expectations of concrete between 75-100 years, but even so concrete isn’t a construction material that you place and just allow it to age endlessly. There are variables now that are constantly changing, and will continue to exist that causes weakening, cracking, and spalling (separation or breaking). As a reactive construction material the only way to truly eliminate this as a problem is to not use it.
There are industry standards that address the issue from a construction design, construction materials management, and asset management standpoint which are followed worldwide. This isn’t a U.K. only problem, nor a government party problem. The two couldn’t be on more of never intersecting parallels. "
That was a truthful explanation of the issue. From a slightly different angle the Building schools for the future programme didn’t work because of the impossible restrictions put around it. Actually having to spend 100 million a year is not that easy to do. |
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"What you all make of it is it the final nail in the coffin of the Tory Party
ARE you like thinking we need an early G/E?
Problem is there still isn’t much of an opposition, and those who voted the Tories in would still back them if they were culling the firstborn of every household, and somehow blaming it on immigrants, sexual deviancy and folk too lazy to work.
What bugs me is they used to at least pretend not to be corrupt self-serving narcissists. Now they just wave it in our faces and laugh.
Look at Dorris and her resignation “with immediate effect”. "
Point of order. The Tories are already actively doing everything you stated above lol |
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By *ex LutherMan
over a year ago
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"Concrete weakening and structural defects had existed far longer than any government. The relation between the two is a far, far reach. Concrete problems will continue long into the future. There are specialists who have identified and found ways to address concrete lifespan problems to achieve material expectations of concrete between 75-100 years, but even so concrete isn’t a construction material that you place and just allow it to age endlessly. There are variables now that are constantly changing, and will continue to exist that causes weakening, cracking, and spalling (separation or breaking). As a reactive construction material the only way to truly eliminate this as a problem is to not use it.
There are industry standards that address the issue from a construction design, construction materials management, and asset management standpoint which are followed worldwide. This isn’t a U.K. only problem, nor a government party problem. The two couldn’t be on more of never intersecting parallels. "
Is it wrong to get turned on reading that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Concrete weakening and structural defects had existed far longer than any government. The relation between the two is a far, far reach. Concrete problems will continue long into the future. There are specialists who have identified and found ways to address concrete lifespan problems to achieve material expectations of concrete between 75-100 years, but even so concrete isn’t a construction material that you place and just allow it to age endlessly. There are variables now that are constantly changing, and will continue to exist that causes weakening, cracking, and spalling (separation or breaking). As a reactive construction material the only way to truly eliminate this as a problem is to not use it.
There are industry standards that address the issue from a construction design, construction materials management, and asset management standpoint which are followed worldwide. This isn’t a U.K. only problem, nor a government party problem. The two couldn’t be on more of never intersecting parallels.
Is it wrong to get turned on reading that "
I’ve heard the hardening process is hot! Concrete jokes! |
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
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Fook no lets not have a general election yet that labour bloke on the news this morning didn't have a clue what labour would do about it, he was just insistant that the cons fix it before they take over |
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The problem isn’t that RAAC was used. It’s a perfectly good material choice with a lot going for it. It’s fire resistant, lightweight and insulates well.
The problem is that as usual in the UK installation was bodged on the cheap (in this case specifically the sealing, weatherproofing and drainage), routine maintenance was skipped to save money, and it’s now in an entirely predictable state of disrepair. RAAC doesn’t like getting wet.
RAAC roof planks were only given their official 30-year lifespan in the UK after badly-installed 1950/60s ones were surveyed in the ’80s and found to be knackered.
Basically, that oft-quoted 30-year lifespan is our fault. As in, we (as a nation) repeatedly voted in the austerity party and watched them not invest in doing things properly. |
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"Basically, that oft-quoted 30-year lifespan is our fault. As in, we (as a nation) repeatedly voted in the austerity party and watched them not invest in doing things properly."
Don’t blame the Tories.
I blamed them once, but I think I got away with it.
Although barring the New Labour years they’ve running the country for pretty much my entire life, making it difficult to blame anyone else for anything but being a shit opposition. |
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"It’s being going in for years and multiple governments, so much as it pains me Rishi is right, we can’t hold him solely accountable for this.
Nevertheless someone in government over a prolonged period has given the ok for companies to build buildings for public use out of semi hardened aero bars ffs!"
Thankfully the soft centre isnt encased with a highly flammable cladding |
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