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Was Brian Clough the greatest manager ever?
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"NO.. as the statistics show fergie is ... until the Choosing one comes back to english football 
He will have to come back and stay til he's 100 years old to emulate Fergie!!  "
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Having met him on several occasions, I would have to say he was one of the most astute. His sharp put downs were legendary around his doubters.
"I wouldn't say I am the best manager in the business, but I'm in the top 1"
The best manager England never had.
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"Having met him on several occasions, I would have to say he was one of the most astute. His sharp put downs were legendary around his doubters.
"I wouldn't say I am the best manager in the business, but I'm in the top 1"
The best manager England never had.
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Did you meet him when he was face-down in a Derby gutter, pissed? Or were you one of the numerous taxi-drivers who'd shuttle him back to Quarndon |
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no he was a excellant manager but no one rivals sir alex ferguson although i dont like the bloke he is without doubt the best manager and wont be beaten for some time yet. |
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I think if you asked sir alex ferguson and even the great bill shankly they would agree on one man.
The legend that is jock stein, although in the last 20 odd years you would have to say fergie |
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By *adgeeMan
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Clough was superb! Very briefly as a player and over a longer period of time a truly great manager. Loved the guy! SAF is on a bit of a different level so difficult to draw comparisons. Lets just say Jose has got a good few years of work left in him if he's to get close to SAF |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Nope!! As great as Clough was, Fergie is the greatest and will be for a long long time. "
Fergie had money and has bought shite as well as good. Cloughie just had the lot and did far more with far less + Cloughie had carisma. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" mourinho (4 titles four countries)
plus the opportunity this season to win the CL with three different clubs"
so he moves around alot lol he still has a lot of work to do before he catches fergie though. |
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" mourinho (4 titles four countries)
plus the opportunity this season to win the CL with three different clubs
so he moves around alot lol he still has a lot of work to do before he catches fergie though."
That's a good point. Is 2 portuguese titles 2 English titles 2 Italian titles and a Spanish title in 8 seasons as impressive as Ferguson's domestic record? As AF never ventured abroad we'll never know how good a European coach he is. |
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"Nope!! As great as Clough was, Fergie is the greatest and will be for a long long time.
Fergie had money and has bought shite as well as good. Cloughie just had the lot and did far more with far less + Cloughie had carisma. "
Clough did have money. Broke the British transfer record several times at Derby & Florist. He was a bully as well as charismatic : just ask Nigel's brother, Simon  |
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Clough was a great manager, and anybody who can win the European Cup twice with a relatively small club stand up there with the best of them.
Ferguson has stood the test of time, despite a tricky start when The Stretford End were baying for his head, and has certainly shown the ability to consistantly win the English League, despite heavy money attacks from Chelsea and Man City, his weakness has been only winning 2 European Cups in all those years when United have been a dominant force.
Bob Paisley of Liverpool is a match for any manager winning 3 European Cups, 6 League titles, a UEFA Cup and 3 League Cups in just 9 years in charge. In addition, while being Bill Shankly's right hand man, he'd been a major part in reinventing Liverpool from a 2nd Division team of the late 50's to helping Shanks to win 3 League titles, 2 FA Cups and a UEFA Cup while setting in place the dynasty that was Liverpool in that era.
For me Fergie has proven to be very good over a long period of time, but as for the best, well no Liverpool fan is not going to say that title belongs to "Sir" Bob Paisley. |
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" mourinho (4 titles four countries)
plus the opportunity this season to win the CL with three different clubs
so he moves around alot lol he still has a lot of work to do before he catches fergie though.
That's a good point. Is 2 portuguese titles 2 English titles 2 Italian titles and a Spanish title in 8 seasons as impressive as Ferguson's domestic record? As AF never ventured abroad we'll never know how good a European coach he is."
Remember that Ferguson also won a European trophy with Aberdeen (as well as domestic league and cup trophies) before heading to Old Trafford. |
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"Clough was a great manager, and anybody who can win the European Cup twice with a relatively small club stand up there with the best of them.
Ferguson has stood the test of time, despite a tricky start when The Stretford End were baying for his head, and has certainly shown the ability to consistantly win the English League, despite heavy money attacks from Chelsea and Man City, his weakness has been only winning 2 European Cups in all those years when United have been a dominant force.
Bob Paisley of Liverpool is a match for any manager winning 3 European Cups, 6 League titles, a UEFA Cup and 3 League Cups in just 9 years in charge. In addition, while being Bill Shankly's right hand man, he'd been a major part in reinventing Liverpool from a 2nd Division team of the late 50's to helping Shanks to win 3 League titles, 2 FA Cups and a UEFA Cup while setting in place the dynasty that was Liverpool in that era.
For me Fergie has proven to be very good over a long period of time, but as for the best, well no Liverpool fan is not going to say that title belongs to "Sir" Bob Paisley."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Cloughie with a big club & a billionire owner... ie chelski he would leve fergy for dead...
did any one see fergy on football focus saturday... he looked fucked "
He deserves to be at 70 yrs old |
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This may shock a few , I'm a man utd fan an Alex Ferguson has been the best for being at the top for so many years , rebuilding great side after great side but it saddens me to say I remember the Bob. P side that use to terrorise and taunt sdes , when they came to town you knew you'd get beat before a ball had been kicked!
So its Bob P that gets this one , Liverpool will never see his likes again! |
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It took alex ferguson 20 years to win 2 European cups. It took bob paisley 2 years to do that. So paisleys my best.
My top 3 are
Bob paisley
Alex ferguson
Brain clough
Jose mourinho just behind them. |
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Your right to say OBE was the best manager England never had,the FA would never give him the job as they knew he would take over,but dont forget Cloughie as a player,296 appearances[for Middlesbrough and Sunderland] 267 goals,thats some goin |
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clough is the best took derby from 3rd division to 1st division champs in 4 seasons then 2 european cups in a row at forest there is no manager out there who could or will do it and as for fergie he might have trophys but main reason is money i mean look at the debt they are in i know its not all his fault but my god hes contributed to it. |
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"clough is the best took derby from 3rd division to 1st division champs in 4 seasons then 2 european cups in a row at forest there is no manager out there who could or will do it and as for fergie he might have trophys but main reason is money i mean look at the debt they are in i know its not all his fault but my god hes contributed to it. "
The bit about Cloughie and his success at Derby and Forest can't be refuted but what you've said about Fergie is total bollocks tbh. Many of the trophies he has won were won BEFORE the Glaziers took control of the club. He has rebuilt that team time and again and still produced title winning teams.
If you must analyse someone's performance, please be subjective and accurate about it and leave personal feelings out of it. |
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"I think if you asked sir alex ferguson and even the great bill shankly they would agree on one man.
The legend that is jock stein, although in the last 20 odd years you would have to say fergie "
Ant mention of Rangers / Celtic in terms of being the best (manager or team) has to be met with derision. Those two teams were so far ahead in Scottish football that that you might as well have paid all the other teams to stay at home and award the points to whichever of the top two teams they happen to be scheduled against. The title has always been decided on who won the play offs between Ranger and Celtic.
Granted Rangers have fallen from grace recently and now it's a Celtic title until Rangers get back in the SPL, and then it will be business as usual.
Scottish football is a joke. |
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You can't really take it away from SAF as the best British manager of all time, his trophy cabinet speaks for itself.
As much as I loved "Old Big Head" I think that even he has to come second to Bob Paisley as best English manager.
As for the Europeans? Apart from Mourinho who although not up there yet still has time on his side I can't really think of anyone else. Just a note about Cloughie though, he was at his best when he had Peter Taylor alongside him, that should not be forgotten. |
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"Having met him on several occasions, I would have to say he was one of the most astute. His sharp put downs were legendary around his doubters.
"I wouldn't say I am the best manager in the business, but I'm in the top 1"
The best manager England never had.
Did you meet him when he was face-down in a Derby gutter, pissed? Or were you one of the numerous taxi-drivers who'd shuttle him back to Quarndon"
Ha ha no, he bought me a pint in The Joiners at Quarndon once though. When he was F****t manager and Derby beat them 4 - 1 a load of us went to his house in Allestree on the Sunday morning and began chanting outside his then house. He opened his bedroom window and gave us a wave & a smile |
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Ant mention of Rangers / Celtic in terms of being the best (manager or team) has to be met with derision. Those two teams were so far ahead in Scottish football that that you might as well have paid all the other teams to stay at home and award the points to whichever of the top two teams they happen to be scheduled against. The title has always been decided on who won the play offs between Ranger and Celtic.
Granted Rangers have fallen from grace recently and now it's a Celtic title until Rangers get back in the SPL, and then it will be business as usual.
Scottish football is a joke."
So Celtic winning the European cup was just a flash in the pan..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can't really take it away from SAF as the best British manager of all time, his trophy cabinet speaks for itself.
As much as I loved "Old Big Head" I think that even he has to come second to Bob Paisley as best English manager.
As for the Europeans? Apart from Mourinho who although not up there yet still has time on his side I can't really think of anyone else. Just a note about Cloughie though, he was at his best when he had Peter Taylor alongside him, that should not be forgotten."
fergie allways has a number two but they all get sick of him and leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As a Leeds fan I cart say anything but no tryd his hardest to break up n destroy a fantastic team who could off gone on to better things he was bitter towards Leeds n always would be, sorry to any florist fans out there its my opinion fergie cart stand but any Dan would love him at there club me included |
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"clough is the best took derby from 3rd division to 1st division champs in 4 seasons then 2 european cups in a row at forest there is no manager out there who could or will do it and as for fergie he might have trophys but main reason is money i mean look at the debt they are in i know its not all his fault but my god hes contributed to it. "
Utd were turning a 60 million profit before the yanks arrived the banks loaned them the money to buy utd, they then put the debt onto utd , now they continually milk utd of funds to finance there other organizations , believe me this is nothing to do with Alex Ferguson! 
It's fuc#ing wrong and its why I handed back my two season tickets , and its all legal what there doing lol |
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The league was a lot more equal years ago as it was a more level playing field and it was hard for one team to dominate the league for extended periods. One manager who nobody has mentioned managed to take a small unfashionable club from the third division south to be the champions of England in their first season.
oh and then he went and won the world cup. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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heres just a few reasons why fergie wins trophys i must add this is just a list of a small portion
berbatov 32m,rooney 30m,van persie 24m,de gea 18m,anderson18m,carrick 14m, ferdinand 18m,hargreaves 17m,van nistleroy 19m, wilfred zaha 15m, list goes on and on and on i mean give anyone that much and he better win trophys |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"anyone who says fergie is best needs shooting hes a nasty old d*unk"
Funny how so many players speak of how he was like a father to them ?
Including ronaldo , what a joke of a statement  |
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Always difficult to compare different generations, but by any objective judgement Ferguson's longevity and consistent success, both at Aberdeen and of course United, must to be up there with the best.
Clough by dint of his fabulous achievements with relatively unfashionable clubs must be close
Though by Clough's own admission Peter Taylor, his assistant was a big factor in that success
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"clough is the best took derby from 3rd division to 1st division champs in 4 seasons then 2 european cups in a row at forest there is no manager out there who could or will do it and as for fergie he might have trophys but main reason is money i mean look at the debt they are in i know its not all his fault but my god hes contributed to it.
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The bit about Cloughie and his success at Derby and Forest can't be refuted but what you've said about Fergie is total bollocks tbh. Many of the trophies he has won were won BEFORE the Glaziers took control of the club. He has rebuilt that team time and again and still produced title winning teams.
If you must analyse someone's performance, please be subjective and accurate about it and leave personal feelings out of it."
Why on earth should others no do what you do yourself? On numerous occasions including threads on Hillsborough and Gipsy threads to name but two you have exhibited a bias bordering on a bigoted point of view with no relation to facts and far from keeping things subjective and accurate you have based your responses on personal feelings. |
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Many people in Derby have their anecdotes about Cloughie. I was lucky enough to meet him several times, and unlucky enough to be working in the ward at Derby City Hospital where he spent his last few days and looked a shadow of his former self.
Typically of the man he refused a private room until the very end, and was chatty and supportive to his fellow patients and kept us all laughing with his wisecracks.
My ex-wife (of Indian origin) grew up opposite the Baseball Ground and was once mistakenly left on her own outside when people were streaming past towards a match. She unfortunately attracted a group of abusive idiots (despite being only 4 or 5) who put her on top of a high wall. Brian saw it from his office, raced over and gave them a piece of his mind. He then found her house, took her in and had a cup of tea with her mum - all about 10 minutes before kick off. He popped in every other week for a cuppa till he left Derby. |
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No no no. Mourinho is the only manager mentioned that has never been sacked so as that is an Indictator of success he is the best.
Fergie would not have managed Aberdeen or man U if he wasn't sacked by Morton. |
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"why does red nose get so much praise love to see him manage in non league see how well he does then"
He wouldn't cope as that's not the style he manages with. Many in Manchester say he was lucky getting the Giggs, Scholes, Beckham generation through the youth system. Those players were developed by other players.
I wouldn't totally go along with that point but Ferguson has wasted money on flops in the past and until Chelsea emerged via Abramovich had little competition.
As for Clough well what he did with Derby and Forest was remarkable and he has won the top European title as many times as Ferguson in far less time so make your own conclusions. In time though I think Mourinho will end up being the most successful having done it in multiple leagues across Europe.  |
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"why does red nose get so much praise love to see him manage in non league see how well he does then
He wouldn't cope as that's not the style he manages with. Many in Manchester say he was lucky getting the Giggs, Scholes, Beckham generation through the youth system. Those players were developed by other players.
I wouldn't totally go along with that point but Ferguson has wasted money on flops in the past and until Chelsea emerged via Abramovich had little competition.
As for Clough well what he did with Derby and Forest was remarkable and he has won the top European title as many times as Ferguson in far less time so make your own conclusions. In time though I think Mourinho will end up being the most successful having done it in multiple leagues across Europe. "
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"clough is the best took derby from 3rd division to 1st division champs in 4 seasons then 2 european cups in a row at forest there is no manager out there who could or will do it and as for fergie he might have trophys but main reason is money i mean look at the debt they are in i know its not all his fault but my god hes contributed to it.
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The bit about Cloughie and his success at Derby and Forest can't be refuted but what you've said about Fergie is total bollocks tbh. Many of the trophies he has won were won BEFORE the Glaziers took control of the club. He has rebuilt that team time and again and still produced title winning teams.
If you must analyse someone's performance, please be subjective and accurate about it and leave personal feelings out of it.
Why on earth should others no do what you do yourself? On numerous occasions including threads on Hillsborough and Gipsy threads to name but two you have exhibited a bias bordering on a bigoted point of view with no relation to facts and far from keeping things subjective and accurate you have based your responses on personal feelings."
I'm not opening up the can of worms that is Hillsborough as that's been discussed at length on here. Suffice it to say that there are many people across the country who slag United because they are jealous of their continued success, and that is down to the Manager who has consistently got the best out of his players, and whom, almost to a man, have said that he was the best manager they've played under. He has even drawn players to United because they'd be playing under the best manager in the business.
The pros regard him as the best, and who are we to argue with people in the game and who are far more knowledgeable of it. |
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"heres just a few reasons why fergie wins trophys i must add this is just a list of a small portion
berbatov 32m,rooney 30m,van persie 24m,de gea 18m,anderson18m,carrick 14m, ferdinand 18m,hargreaves 17m,van nistleroy 19m, wilfred zaha 15m, list goes on and on and on i mean give anyone that much and he better win trophys"
Show me a winning team in today's game that DOESN'T spend that much on players.
Chelsea? City? Real? Barcelona? Bayern? |
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"You can't really take it away from SAF as the best British manager of all time, his trophy cabinet speaks for itself.
As much as I loved "Old Big Head" I think that even he has to come second to Bob Paisley as best English manager.
As for the Europeans? Apart from Mourinho who although not up there yet still has time on his side I can't really think of anyone else. Just a note about Cloughie though, he was at his best when he had Peter Taylor alongside him, that should not be forgotten.
fergie allways has a number two but they all get sick of him and leave"
Sheesh! How much do you actually know about football?
They leave for managerial positions that they know they won't get at United as Ferguson is so entrenched there. Look what happened to McClaren once he was out from under Fergie's protective wing? He failed miserably in England and for England. |
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Ant mention of Rangers / Celtic in terms of being the best (manager or team) has to be met with derision. Those two teams were so far ahead in Scottish football that that you might as well have paid all the other teams to stay at home and award the points to whichever of the top two teams they happen to be scheduled against. The title has always been decided on who won the play offs between Ranger and Celtic.
Granted Rangers have fallen from grace recently and now it's a Celtic title until Rangers get back in the SPL, and then it will be business as usual.
Scottish football is a joke.
So Celtic winning the European cup was just a flash in the pan.. "
Evidently, seeing as they've only won it once. |
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Just a thought,,,,,Jock Stiens Celtic never spent very much becoming the first British team to win the biggest prize in European football…
Tuh,,,,I guess it must have just been a lucky run of results eh! |
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"Just a thought,,,,,Jock Stiens Celtic never spent very much becoming the first British team to win the biggest prize in European football…
Tuh,,,,I guess it must have just been a lucky run of results eh! "
The money wasn't in the game back then. Only the very best commanded top wages and players like George Best made far more from commercial sponsorship deals than they ever made from club wages. |
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An interesting aside to Scottish football, here's a list of Scottish Football Champions:
Rangers: 54 titles
Celtic: 43
Hearts: 4
Aberdeen: 4
Hibs: 4
Dumbarton: 2
Motherwell: 1
Kilmarnock: 1
Dundee: 1
Dundee Utd: 1
Third Lanark: 1
~ it's no fluke that Celtic and Rangers are way ahead of anyone else. Scottish youngsters don't want to play for anyone else, plus both clubs operated a sectarian policy of sending players from opposing religion off into the wilderness for five years to prevent them playing for their main rival (that's all in Fergie's book) |
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"Just a thought,,,,,Jock Stiens Celtic never spent very much becoming the first British team to win the biggest prize in European football…
Tuh,,,,I guess it must have just been a lucky run of results eh!
The money wasn't in the game back then. Only the very best commanded top wages and players like George Best made far more from commercial sponsorship deals than they ever made from club wages."
So are we saying back in the day when you couldn’t build teams with expensive players,,,,,, successful managers weren’t very good ?,,,eh! |
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"why does red nose get so much praise love to see him manage in non league see how well he does then"
Would love to see a non league manager manage a club of the stature of Manchester United...oh, of course it's a piece of cake ..might have a go myself |
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Anyway your all wrong,,,,,,because its obviously Dave “Harry” Bassett,,,,,
hey c'mon, anyone who can simultaneously manage a footy team and a factory making liquorice allsorts deserves the top spot… |
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"Anyway your all wrong,,,,,,because its obviously Dave “Harry” Bassett,,,,,
hey c'mon, anyone who can simultaneously manage a footy team and a factory making liquorice allsorts deserves the top spot… "
LOL or Harry Redknapp the darling of the media |
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"Anyway your all wrong,,,,,,because its obviously Dave “Harry” Bassett,,,,,
hey c'mon, anyone who can simultaneously manage a footy team and a factory making liquorice allsorts deserves the top spot… "
You have forgotten his hound breeding work! |
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Clough ahead of Fregie as he won the league with two separate teams and consecutive Europeans cups
But Fregie is only just behind with bill shankly
All three built teams through astute managership unlike Mancini, Mourhino et al who just throw money at the problem |
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"Anyway your all wrong,,,,,,because its obviously Dave “Harry” Bassett,,,,,
hey c'mon, anyone who can simultaneously manage a footy team and a factory making liquorice allsorts deserves the top spot…
You have forgotten his hound breeding work!"
Bloom’in heck… how true, that man is a fuk’in machine….
although saying that, I think I’m correct in saying Fergie has a hand in horses .!!. |
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Yes..not pulling rank but as an ex player you have to look at the resources at your disposal ..the fergusons and the mourinhos of this world have almost limitless resources plus first class scouting and youth sets ups. Clough At forest turned journeymen in to world beaters and had he had tenure at a club like man utd or liverpool he may well have eclipsed even ferguson shankly etc |
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"Yes..not pulling rank but as an ex player you have to look at the resources at your disposal ..the fergusons and the mourinhos of this world have almost limitless resources plus first class scouting and youth sets ups. Clough At forest turned journeymen in to world beaters and had he had tenure at a club like man utd or liverpool he may well have eclipsed even ferguson shankly etc"
Leeds? |
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"Yes..not pulling rank but as an ex player you have to look at the resources at your disposal ..the fergusons and the mourinhos of this world have almost limitless resources plus first class scouting and youth sets ups. Clough At forest turned journeymen in to world beaters and had he had tenure at a club like man utd or liverpool he may well have eclipsed even ferguson shankly etc
Leeds?"
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"I think if you asked sir alex ferguson and even the great bill shankly they would agree on one man.
The legend that is jock stein, although in the last 20 odd years you would have to say fergie
Ant mention of Rangers / Celtic in terms of being the best (manager or team) has to be met with derision. Those two teams were so far ahead in Scottish football that that you might as well have paid all the other teams to stay at home and award the points to whichever of the top two teams they happen to be scheduled against. The title has always been decided on who won the play offs between Ranger and Celtic.
Granted Rangers have fallen from grace recently and now it's a Celtic title until Rangers get back in the SPL, and then it will be business as usual.
Scottish football is a joke."
It's a joke now but don't forget the first British club to win the European cup.
And let's not forget the amount of Scotsmen currently managing in the so called best league in the world. Who was the last English manager to win the premiership |
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Paisley all day long.... whilst Fergie has consistently done it year after year over a longer space of time Paisley won the European Cup three times....
Think Fergie is trying to get to three so he can retire happy then....he'll probably be in his 80's before he does... |
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"Just a thought,,,,,Jock Stiens Celtic never spent very much becoming the first British team to win the biggest prize in European football…
Tuh,,,,I guess it must have just been a lucky run of results eh! "
Not a Celtic fan infact i hate them and Rangers however, Steins European Cup winning team consisted of 11 scotsmen all born within 30 miles of Glasgow
That is some achievement, he also had great success with Hibs and Dunfermline |
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" Clough At forest turned journeymen in to world beaters and had he had tenure at a club like man utd or liverpool he may well have eclipsed even ferguson shankly etc"
Would have achieved that at Derby had Sam Longson not been chairman  |
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"Clough was a great manager, and anybody who can win the European Cup twice with a relatively small club stand up there with the best of them.
Ferguson has stood the test of time, despite a tricky start when The Stretford End were baying for his head, and has certainly shown the ability to consistantly win the English League, despite heavy money attacks from Chelsea and Man City, his weakness has been only winning 2 European Cups in all those years when United have been a dominant force.
Bob Paisley of Liverpool is a match for any manager winning 3 European Cups, 6 League titles, a UEFA Cup and 3 League Cups in just 9 years in charge. In addition, while being Bill Shankly's right hand man, he'd been a major part in reinventing Liverpool from a 2nd Division team of the late 50's to helping Shanks to win 3 League titles, 2 FA Cups and a UEFA Cup while setting in place the dynasty that was Liverpool in that era.
For me Fergie has proven to be very good over a long period of time, but as for the best, well no Liverpool fan is not going to say that title belongs to "Sir" Bob Paisley."
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