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Interesting if a little shocking article about policing.. An example..not a single burglary has been solved in the last three years in an example hampshire town... Have a read over your coffee...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/02/we-dont-need-police-the-new-forest-village-taking-the-law-into-its-own-hands |
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The police have their hands tied behind their backs these days fearful of upsetting anyone and being seen as to heavy handed.
Criminals are exploiting this claiming victimisation at every opportunity.
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"The police have their hands tied behind their backs these days fearful of upsetting anyone and being seen as to heavy handed.
Criminals are exploiting this claiming victimisation at every opportunity.
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I think it could be due to lack of staff to be honest. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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" Should they withdraw the part of their poll tax that goes on policing "
They could use the money they save to prevent more mass murdering GPS and nurses. Win win.
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"Interesting if a little shocking article about policing.. An example..not a single burglary has been solved in the last three years in an example hampshire town... Have a read over your coffee...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/02/we-dont-need-police-the-new-forest-village-taking-the-law-into-its-own-hands"
Thank you, an interesting read. |
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This will all end shortly. The noose is slowly being closed on the chief of police. Suella Braverman who is the Home Secretary whose department is responsible for crime has instructed that every crime should be investigated. Also, is there a role for the army here? |
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"Interesting if a little shocking article about policing.. An example..not a single burglary has been solved in the last three years in an example hampshire town... Have a read over your coffee...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/02/we-dont-need-police-the-new-forest-village-taking-the-law-into-its-own-hands
Thank you, an interesting read."
And of course the chief of police can claim that crime is falling. It's strange that crime is always falling when the public who have lost all faith stop reporting it to them |
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Tory government has cut police numbers to the extent that there simply isn't enough to deter criminals, Tory home secretary announces another deflection ruse into why less police under her party can't function ..
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"Plenty of good policing goes on. But the CPS live on a different planet.
The criminal protection service."
Exactly that. But it’s the police who are the face of the justice system and bear the brunt of the criticism. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"It's strange that crime is always falling when the public who have lost all faith stop reporting it to them"
It’s been acknowledged for a long time by police forces that crime recording doesn’t always match reality.
For instance, if a spouse is being beaten behind closed doors, it’s often only they that will know, but they don’t tell.
The detection rate for drug offences is really high, (no pun intended) because who is ever going to report they bought or sold drugs unless the police catch them?
Burglaries of homes are usually reported, even if the victim has no faith in the police as insurance companies and housing associations won’t act on them without a crime number.
For more accurate crime stats, have a look at the British Crime Survey.
What does the BCS say about crime rates? It’s not all over the news so you’ll have to do a bit of research rather than regurgitation.
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My brother was a senior police officer. He told me recently that the Home Office steered them away from detections in 2015 as they didn’t matter as much as historical hate and sex offences to the public. He didn’t agree with it then, he doesn’t agree with it now. He said what they ended up with was a police force with officers who have never been told how to solve crimes |
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"I did hear recently 9?% of all met police have not arrested any one in the last year "
Well some of them will be in desk jobs who never see an angry man and others on protection duty looking after MPs and Royals so they probably make few arrests and don't forget when they hit a certain rank, probably above constable, they won't arrest either.
This is the trouble with these statistic types. Always out to cause trouble. Not you of course but Tom has an eye and a gift for these things. As he always says. There is more to this than meets the eye |
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"This will all end shortly. The noose is slowly being closed on the chief of police. Suella Braverman who is the Home Secretary whose department is responsible for crime has instructed that every crime should be investigated. Also, is there a role for the army here?"
Not while they are manning the borders, fixing the holes in the nhs, driving the trains and training Ukrainians tom |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"I did hear recently 9?% of all met police have not arrested any one in the last year "
Why would they? How could they?
They are probably senior officers whose job is to manage, not arrest.
Then there’s the copper outside Downing Street. They don’t arrest many.
Then there’s specialist surveillance officers. They keep themselves hidden but direct others to arrest.
Then there’s the people in control rooms. Nobody to arrest there.
Then there’s specialist crime scene investigators. Most CSI are not actually police officers, but sometimes the supervisors are.
Then there’s people in big murder investigations. A hundred people on a team, but only one arrest.
Then there’s anti terrorist teams. Mostly info gathering and intelligence analysis.
Then there’s people on light duties or long term sick, who’d like to arrest people but just can’t at the moment.
And finally, there’s a few lazy fuckers who ought to but don’t.
I reckon that covers your 9% quite easily?
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"I did hear recently 9?% of all met police have not arrested any one in the last year
Why would they? How could they?
They are probably senior officers whose job is to manage, not arrest.
Then there’s the copper outside Downing Street. They don’t arrest many.
Then there’s specialist surveillance officers. They keep themselves hidden but direct others to arrest.
Then there’s the people in control rooms. Nobody to arrest there.
Then there’s specialist crime scene investigators. Most CSI are not actually police officers, but sometimes the supervisors are.
Then there’s people in big murder investigations. A hundred people on a team, but only one arrest.
Then there’s anti terrorist teams. Mostly info gathering and intelligence analysis.
Then there’s people on light duties or long term sick, who’d like to arrest people but just can’t at the moment.
And finally, there’s a few lazy fuckers who ought to but don’t.
I reckon that covers your 9% quite easily?
Gbat
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Batty has this sewn up..
Maybe he was a cop? |
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"This will all end shortly. The noose is slowly being closed on the chief of police. Suella Braverman who is the Home Secretary whose department is responsible for crime has instructed that every crime should be investigated. Also, is there a role for the army here?"
Good grief! She's instructed small boats to go away too but I wouldn't hold your breath. I would suggest there's a role for the army putting their own house in order |
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We get the state services that we vote for. Resources cut since 2010, so we should not be surprised. I guess they have an elected Police and Crime Commissioner - I think it was in the link - so, again, it's what we voted for. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"I guess they have an elected Police and Crime Commissioner - I think it was in the link - so, again, it's what we voted for. "
And I guess the commissioner doesn’t actually add any value to the pot. You could get another couple of coppers for the same price.
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There was an esate not far from where I grew up. The residents got fed up of break ins pretty much every night, the police didn't do a lot. The redidents toom it in turns to keep an eyr for the burglars, they got them after two nights looking out for them.
The burglars were handed over to the police, and funny enough never went back to the estate either. |
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"The police have their hands tied behind their backs these days fearful of upsetting anyone and being seen as to heavy handed.
Criminals are exploiting this claiming victimisation at every opportunity.
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Over burglaries though?
In my view this story is more about the fact that crime figures (especially during Austerity) have become so politicised that they are now graded on how much is recoded rather than how many are solved. People and police are discouraged from even bothering to record things like theft.
Police are given (unwanted) 'discretion' to NOT record crime, and are rotated so many times that people are seeing a bewildering amount of coppers (and PCSOs) over even the smallest of incidents. Nobody is to get too involved.
This all equals low crime 'figures' and more Tory votes.
It has led to untold hidden crime in the UK. But Toryism actually thrives off crime. No crime = weak Tories.
Many years ago the police would boast every year about how MANY crimes they solved. This categorically is NOT the case now.
The Met aren't included in this obviously. But the Met should no longer even exist imo. One big streamlined service is what we need.
It's all about Right-wing politics (or right of centre, as Tony Blair actually got the ball rolling on this with his Target and Reward obsessions - both of which were inappropriate for the police, who were simply paid to meet the demand).
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