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the beginning of the end of the Catholic church?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism? |
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"With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism?"
i thought jesus was gods personification.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism?
i thought jesus was gods personification.."
It gets complicated, God is 3 figures, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the holy spirt. The pope is the mouth piece on earth and assumes Godly authority. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not really, just means there will be a new pope!
Just because church attendance is dwindling in this country, in predominantly catholic countries it's still high. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"are the numbers attending churches around the world dwindling ?"
Don't know about overall, but in this country I think there are more now saying they don't associate with a particular religion, but church attendance in urban areas is up - mostly because of immigrants. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism?
i thought jesus was gods personification..
It gets complicated, God is 3 figures, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the holy spirt. The pope is the mouth piece on earth and assumes Godly authority."
and who is his arse piece!? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism?
i thought jesus was gods personification..
It gets complicated, God is 3 figures, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the holy spirt. The pope is the mouth piece on earth and assumes Godly authority.
and who is his arse piece!?"
I'm sure there are some Catholic priests on here, maybe they would like to provide the answer  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Not really, just means there will be a new pope!
Just because church attendance is dwindling in this country, in predominantly catholic countries it's still high. "
Attendence in Italy has been falling for years, and in Ireland. I really do think this could be a seminal moment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Don't care really. I just wish they'd finally release the first page of the bible that says 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental." |
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Certainly dont see it as the 'beginning of the end etc'..
they like other organised religions have been about a while now and have in that time gone through much worse than this..
they do like all need to adapt to a changing world, lest they be left behind and seen as of little consequence.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Certainly dont see it as the 'beginning of the end etc'..
they like other organised religions have been about a while now and have in that time gone through much worse than this..
they do like all need to adapt to a changing world, lest they be left behind and seen as of little consequence.."
I think the challenges the Catholic church face today could arguably be _iewed as great as anything they have faced in the past. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Its a big white wash job,,the mafia and the Vatican have been busted selling on horsemeat throughout Europe and this is just a distraction!!"
Oh dear, do you still read the daily star or the national enquirer?  |
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The beginning of the end of all Christian faiths began years ago in this country.
Eduction, travel, modern day communications and the actions of the religious leaders and followers will kill off all religions eventually.
Covering up scandals and giving fanatics tacit support will back fire in the end. |
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Devout Christians, whatever their church, will still attend their places of worship. Declining numbers in attendance is happening in mosques as much as it is in Christian churches in this country, it's more to do with the modern generation choosing not to practice their given religion.
Times they are a changing..... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Not sure what the rise in Islam has to do with anything, unless there is a suggestion that swarms of Catholics are defecting to Islam?......nah!
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Definitely don't see lots of defections, but do see a cultural battle for hearts and minds, with one religion growing, spreading and attracting new worshippers, and another embroiled in scandal and seeing numbers decline. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Science will prove to be religion's undoing. Humanity has entered the Second Age of Enlightenment where the universe and our place in it is being understood better at a phenomenal rate. I firmly believe that when Man discovers how to travel vast distances in a reasonable timespan that religion will be demoted to the realm of cranks, wierdos and sects. |
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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago
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"Devout Christians, whatever their church, will still attend their places of worship. Declining numbers in attendance is happening in mosques as much as it is in Christian churches in this country, it's more to do with the modern generation choosing not to practice their given religion.
Times they are a changing....."
I find it eironic that a generation that can say 'oh my god' at the drop of a hat could be so faithless. It makes the phrase somewhat superflous in meaning to be honest...
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"Science will prove to be religion's undoing. Humanity has entered the Second Age of Enlightenment where the universe and our place in it is being understood better at a phenomenal rate. I firmly believe that when Man discovers how to travel vast distances in a reasonable timespan that religion will be demoted to the realm of cranks, wierdos and sects."
It is already in my eyes... |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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I can actually see a resurgence in the UK, at least in the short term. Most of the Polish people I know (fookin loads! ) tend to go to church and they are for the most part Catholic. Funny thing is, it is even the young and trendy ones who seem to attend, including some we have shagged silly!
Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
(As an aside and at the risk of sterotyping... Most of the Polish women I come into contact with, either playtime or vanilla, seem to just gorgeous!  ) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset..."
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"I find it eironic that a generation that can say 'oh my god' at the drop of a hat could be so faithless. It makes the phrase somewhat superflous in meaning to be honest...
Wolf
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But that is not a proclamation that God exists or that they even believe. It is now just an exclamation with no other meaning than "What the fuck"! It has become common usage like any other word or phrase and like others, has been subject to a change of literal meaning. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I find it eironic that a generation that can say 'oh my god' at the drop of a hat could be so faithless. It makes the phrase somewhat superflous in meaning to be honest...
Wolf
But that is not a proclamation that God exists or that they even believe. It is now just an exclamation with no other meaning than "What the fuck"! It has become common usage like any other word or phrase and like others, has been subject to a change of literal meaning."
In a good way it is reassuring that people can use the _xpression, 'oh my god' in a non-religious fashion without being accused of taking God's name in vain. A thousand years ago you wouldn't have been able to say it with being called a heretic. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive."
"I was ordered to do it" is no defence in law or morality. It may be the prudent thing to do in his circumstance, but never the less, still not acceptable.. IMHO
(See that Wishy? Back on an even keel  ) |
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"I was ordered to do it" is no defence in law or morality. It may be the prudent thing to do in his circumstance, but never the less, still not acceptable.. IMHO"
Having lived in Germany and had German neighbours who actually lived through WW2, there really was not much choice! Conform and toe the line or suffer the consequences. To not conform was seen as being a trouble maker and brought nothing but grief. |
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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago
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"I find it eironic that a generation that can say 'oh my god' at the drop of a hat could be so faithless. It makes the phrase somewhat superflous in meaning to be honest...
Wolf
But that is not a proclamation that God exists or that they even believe. It is now just an exclamation with no other meaning than "What the fuck"! It has become common usage like any other word or phrase and like others, has been subject to a change of literal meaning."
But then no-one can proclaim that god doesn't exist as there is no proof either way. Philosophers discussed whether belief was a neccessity; they decided it was better to believe overall, as if obviously you didn't and god did turn out to exist then you stood to lose quite a lot at the pearly gates. However if you did believe in him and then you found out he didn't exist, then it's really not as big a loss as the first instance.
Whether we'll be able to ascertain that is pure speculation - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle on his deathbed said in his last breath 'and now for the big secret...'
As for the pope, he obviously wanted to stop the bus in order to get off.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive."
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate. |
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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago
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""But then no-one can proclaim that god doesn't exist as there is no proof either way."
Its not possible to prove a negative... "
This is how churches, bookies and casinos get by everyday
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate."
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Now.... If he was chosen by the power of the Holy Spirit guiding the Cardinals in Conclave . How come god didn't mention to them that Ratsinger wasn't up for the job?
I'm an athiest btw |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,, "
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Now.... If he was chosen by the power of the Holy Spirit guiding the Cardinals in Conclave . How come god didn't mention to them that Ratsinger wasn't up for the job?
I'm an athiest btw"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company?"
I would say that is an extreme comparison that doesn’t really fit with a young child facing a possible life and death dilemma…. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company?
I would say that is an extreme comparison that doesn’t really fit with a young child facing a possible life and death dilemma…. "
The condemnatory use of 'extreme' seems laughable when discussing the actions of Nazi Germany or the Church of Rome. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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""I was ordered to do it" is no defence in law or morality. It may be the prudent thing to do in his circumstance, but never the less, still not acceptable.. IMHO"
Having lived in Germany and had German neighbours who actually lived through WW2, there really was not much choice! Conform and toe the line or suffer the consequences. To not conform was seen as being a trouble maker and brought nothing but grief. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company?
I would say that is an extreme comparison that doesn’t really fit with a young child facing a possible life and death dilemma….
The condemnatory use of 'extreme' seems laughable when discussing the actions of Nazi Germany or the Church of Rome."
If Ratsinger had to join the Hitler Youth to survive then he can't be condemned for surviving can he. If he was an active member and ratted on his associates, family, friends etc then he has a case to answer to but my understanding of it is that he was a member in name only and took part in parades but nothing sinister. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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If Ratsinger had to join the Hitler Youth to survive then he can't be condemned for surviving can he. If he was an active member and ratted on his associates, family, friends etc then he has a case to answer to but my understanding of it is that he was a member in name only and took part in parades but nothing sinister."
And if he only ratted (I like it btw) on enemies, Jews, Communists, Roma, the disabled, homosexuals etc, that'd be a different matter? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company?
I would say that is an extreme comparison that doesn’t really fit with a young child facing a possible life and death dilemma….
The condemnatory use of 'extreme' seems laughable when discussing the actions of Nazi Germany or the Church of Rome."
Again I would suggest thats just another tangentially abstract example, Because we were discussing the action or inaction of a young child who had a choice to make with a young childs mind and all that entails.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If Ratsinger had to join the Hitler Youth to survive then he can't be condemned for surviving can he. If he was an active member and ratted on his associates, family, friends etc then he has a case to answer to but my understanding of it is that he was a member in name only and took part in parades but nothing sinister.
And if he only ratted (I like it btw) on enemies, Jews, Communists, Roma, the disabled, homosexuals etc, that'd be a different matter?"
You know what I meant so stop playing devil's advocate (see what I did there, on a religious thread  )
For the majority of the time the Nazi Youth were tasked with patrolling their own neighbourhoods and reporting suspicious activities. The groups of which you spoke were already known and rounded up by the SS/Gestapo. |
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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago
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You missed something in stating that numbers are dwindling, the influx of immigrants from EU member states whose populations are manily catholic is boosting numbers at churches in areas where they are migrating to. Some areas where the population has virtually doubled have seen a 200% increase in attendance and their collection plates are fuller than they have ever been. |
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company?
I would say that is an extreme comparison that doesn’t really fit with a young child facing a possible life and death dilemma….
The condemnatory use of 'extreme' seems laughable when discussing the actions of Nazi Germany or the Church of Rome.
If Ratsinger had to join the Hitler Youth to survive then he can't be condemned for surviving can he. If he was an active member and ratted on his associates, family, friends etc then he has a case to answer to but my understanding of it is that he was a member in name only and took part in parades but nothing sinister."
I totally agree Wishy ,those were dreadful times for the whole of Europe including the German people ,full of danger ,hatred on all sides and a concerted effort to indoctrinate the youth into the new order.
Its interesting that over 8000 German people gave there lives directly defying the Government of the day ,it had one of the largest civil disobedience movements of any country (including Allied countries).
Who could blame a little boy for waving a flag and marching to the beat of a misguided drum . |
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"Maybe the Pope resighning is strange, but an ex Hitler Youth as Pope? I thought it was strange at the outset...
To be fair to the man he has stated why he was a member on many occasions. Not joining the Nazi Youth wasn't an option if you wanted to survive.
Surely the honourable position would have been to accept his fate.
Ah c'mon, is it really fair to suggest a child should make a theological choice like that?,,,,
Is it any worse than letting a senile octogenarian run what's probably the world's largest private company?
I would say that is an extreme comparison that doesn’t really fit with a young child facing a possible life and death dilemma….
The condemnatory use of 'extreme' seems laughable when discussing the actions of Nazi Germany or the Church of Rome.
Again I would suggest thats just another tangentially abstract example, Because we were discussing the action or inaction of a young child who had a choice to make with a young childs mind and all that entails.... "
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"Not really, just means there will be a new pope!
Just because church attendance is dwindling in this country, in predominantly catholic countries it's still high.
Attendence in Italy has been falling for years, and in Ireland. I really do think this could be a seminal moment."
A 'seminal' moment indeed!..Catholicism has spread too much of its seminal fluid amongst altar boys for years...about time they were brought to account!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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All religion is a form of control of the populous. In the past a way to establish some form of moral law and order. To explain and give answers to the natural world we could not fully understand. As the human race has become to understand more the world and the laws of the universe, is there still a place for such blinded zealot believes?
For some, yes, it gives them hope, a believe that there is a greater force controlling their destiny and comforting them in their hour of need.
Being raised as a catholic, I personally find the faith hypocritical. It has caused more wars and suffering in its name than any other religion and its gradual demise can only be a good thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You know what I meant so stop playing devil's advocate (see what I did there, on a religious thread )
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It's always a good day when one of us knows what you mean."
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"All religion is a form of control of the populous. In the past a way to establish some form of moral law and order. To explain and give answers to the natural world we could not fully understand. As the human race has become to understand more the world and the laws of the universe, is there still a place for such blinded zealot believes?
For some, yes, it gives them hope, a believe that there is a greater force controlling their destiny and comforting them in their hour of need.
Being raised as a catholic, I personally find the faith hypocritical. It has caused more wars and suffering in its name than any other religion and its gradual demise can only be a good thing. "
Same here, raised as a catholic and gradually over time (started in my teens) realising what you have so aptly described. Nonetheless I do respect people's faith whether it is Catholicism, Islam or whatever - and I would never ridicule anybody who has a faith either. |
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"Don't care really. I just wish they'd finally release the first page of the bible that says 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental." "
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"I would never ridicule anybody who has a faith either."
I used to say the same thing but would you say that about someone who believes in fairies or ghosts or little green men. After all there is as much 'evidence' for the existence of those as there is for any god. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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""I would never ridicule anybody who has a faith either."
I used to say the same thing but would you say that about someone who believes in fairies or ghosts or little green men. After all there is as much 'evidence' for the existence of those as there is for any god. "
Interesting question, and quite recently I came across somebody who stated they believed in angels being with us here and now and that only I(and a few other people) could not see them. For me there was the momentary thought in my head that questioned their mental health to be honest. But then I walked away from it (metaphorically speaking) just saying that I could see that they believed. I would not ever make fun though, whether I felt it was a genuine belief or part of a mental health problem or whatever else I might not see/ understand. |
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""I was ordered to do it" is no defence in law or morality. It may be the prudent thing to do in his circumstance, but never the less, still not acceptable.. IMHO"
Having lived in Germany and had German neighbours who actually lived through WW2, there really was not much choice! Conform and toe the line or suffer the consequences. To not conform was seen as being a trouble maker and brought nothing but grief. "
well said and ditto, we met many in our 6 years living there who were decent folk in a difficult position and lived in demanding times..
to apply todays morality based on the wonder of hindsight to a childs decision making during a time we are lucky to have not lived in is a bit silly tbh..
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""I would never ridicule anybody who has a faith either."
I used to say the same thing but would you say that about someone who believes in fairies or ghosts or little green men. After all there is as much 'evidence' for the existence of those as there is for any god. Interesting question, and quite recently I came across somebody who stated they believed in angels being with us here and now and that only I(and a few other people) could not see them. For me there was the momentary thought in my head that questioned their mental health to be honest. But then I walked away from it (metaphorically speaking) just saying that I could see that they believed. I would not ever make fun though, whether I felt it was a genuine belief or part of a mental health problem or whatever else I might not see/ understand."
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By *phroditeWoman
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"Always amused me why so many people go to an ancient, draughty building to talk to someone who is not there."
I can understand where you are coming from and as I said before, I am not a religious woman in any shape or form. I do however, sometimes visit churches and find that I feel some kind of spirtual peace in want of a better word. Nothing to do with religion or faith, but really calming and soothing.
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"Always amused me why so many people go to an ancient, draughty building to talk to someone who is not there.I can understand where you are coming from and as I said before, I am not a religious woman in any shape or form. I do however, sometimes visit churches and find that I feel some kind of spirtual peace in want of a better word. Nothing to do with religion or faith, but really calming and soothing. "
can totally relate to that feeling, apart from the female perspective..
yes whilst many of these buildings of all faiths have been built on the money of the congregations who could least afford to give so much..
there is a peacefull solitude about them.. |
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"With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism?"
Hey,,, its not like he was sacked!!! |
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"Always amused me why so many people go to an ancient, draughty building to talk to someone who is not there."
I went to the Vatican last year, and there is an aura about the place. I was brought up Catholic but struggle with some of the things I was taught and a lot of things that the church stands for. But I did feel a certain spirituality in St Peters.
Am I a hypocrite, maybe.
Do I believe in a greater being, maybe.
I also went to an audience with the Pope, there must have been a couple of thousand people screaming and shouting rather like attending a pop concert, one of the weirdest experiences of my life. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Always amused me why so many people go to an ancient, draughty building to talk to someone who is not there.
I went to the Vatican last year, and there is an aura about the place. I was brought up Catholic but struggle with some of the things I was taught and a lot of things that the church stands for. But I did feel a certain spirituality in St Peters.
Am I a hypocrite, maybe.
Do I believe in a greater being, maybe.
I also went to an audience with the Pope, there must have been a couple of thousand people screaming and shouting rather like attending a pop concert, one of the weirdest experiences of my life. "
Does not make you a hypocrite... more a person who remains open to ideas and concepts. |
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Good riddance to Ratzinger, Bishop of Rome - ex Hitler youth, hard-line RC fundamentalist and evil old fool. But it won't make any difference to the church - there will always be people who can't think for themselves and want others to tell them what to do, what to think and how to live their lives. We're very lucky to live in a time when we can ignore all their BS. |
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"Always amused me why so many people go to an ancient, draughty building to talk to someone who is not there."
The only thing needed to talk to any god is a quiet and still mind...
You tend to get very few interuptions in churches, the only good thing about chuches that I can see... |
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"Fingers ctossed its the begining of the end of all religion
It's not compulsory to partake.....it is easily avoided, like most other things in life"
Is it easily avoided if tou live in Northern Ireland, Gaza, India etc etc? Idiots will always find an excuse to fight if that is what they want to do, but in areas of conflict due primarily to relgious differences I'm not so sure how easy it is to ignore. |
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"Good riddance to Ratzinger, Bishop of Rome - ex Hitler youth, hard-line RC fundamentalist and evil old fool. But it won't make any difference to the church - there will always be people who can't think for themselves and want others to tell them what to do, what to think and how to live their lives. We're very lucky to live in a time when we can ignore all their BS."
safe to assume your not a fan then.. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"Good riddance to Ratzinger, Bishop of Rome - ex Hitler youth, hard-line RC fundamentalist and evil old fool. But it won't make any difference to the church - there will always be people who can't think for themselves and want others to tell them what to do, what to think and how to live their lives. We're very lucky to live in a time when we can ignore all their BS.
safe to assume your not a fan then.."
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"But that is not a proclamation that God exists or that they even believe. It is now just an exclamation with no other meaning than "What the fuck"! It has become common usage like any other word or phrase and like others, has been subject to a change of literal meaning.
But then no-one can proclaim that god doesn't exist as there is no proof either way.
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I wasn't postulating on whether God exists, merely stating that people who use that term are not proclaiming to God, just using as a (clean?) profanity. The thought of God real or otherwise is not the point.
When I say "For fucks sake!" I am not saying it for the sake of a fuck, just using an exclaimation! |
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It's easy to walk away from it? Well it might be nowadays in some countries like Britain for example but it hasn't always been that way. While it didn't take root it was forced on me at school. People have been brainwashed for hundreds if not thousands of year into believing in some god of one sort or another. |
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By *phroditeWoman
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"It's easy to walk away from it? Well it might be nowadays in some countries like Britain for example but it hasn't always been that way. While it didn't take root it was forced on me at school. People have been brainwashed for hundreds if not thousands of year into believing in some god of one sort or another."
I do recall the indoctrination at primary and to an extent at secondary school so I am with you on that one.
I also agree that it is much easier in Britain or any other Western country to make a choice. We have the luxury of relative democracy and freedom of speech - other countries are not so lucky.
Having said that I vividly remember both my grandmother's and great grandmother's deep and genuine, almost naive faith, their dedication to attend mass at 6 am on Sunday mornings whatever the weather right to the age of 92 and 89 respectively. They died happy believing that there was an afterlife for them.
Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
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"With all it's money (The Vatican being the richest organisation on the planet) I wasn't aware it still needed people to go to church for it to exist.  "
I know. It's a really "meek" church isn't it? Thank god for Martin Luther. Although by god I mean my version of god, Dane whitehouse of course |
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"With the rise of Islam, the scandalous abuses by generations of priests being covered up, dwindling numbers of church goers and now the unprecedented resignation of God (the pope being his personification on earth), will today be seen in future years as the start of the end of Catholicism?"
One can only hope so. |
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"It's easy to walk away from it? Well it might be nowadays in some countries like Britain for example but it hasn't always been that way. While it didn't take root it was forced on me at school. People have been brainwashed for hundreds if not thousands of year into believing in some god of one sort or another.I do recall the indoctrination at primary and to an extent at secondary school so I am with you on that one.
I also agree that it is much easier in Britain or any other Western country to make a choice. We have the luxury of relative democracy and freedom of speech - other countries are not so lucky.
Having said that I vividly remember both my grandmother's and great grandmother's deep and genuine, almost naive faith, their dedication to attend mass at 6 am on Sunday mornings whatever the weather right to the age of 92 and 89 respectively. They died happy believing that there was an afterlife for them.
Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
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Another angle to consider is the likes of my eldest sister, who because of mental illness has some interesting psychotic episodes from time to time.
While her delusions do not include anything like as grand as an almighty god with the power of life and death over all mankind heading up a heaven type place of perfection, her delusions are grand enough to require her being detained in hospital for people with mental disorders...
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her."
I don't think anyone has to be lied to, if a person has faith, that is their choice and should be respected. None of us can tell them with any certainty if they are mad or right. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
I don't think anyone has to be lied to, if a person has faith, that is their choice and should be respected. None of us can tell them with any certainty if they are mad or right."
It's quite possible they're neither.
Deluded would be closer to the truth. |
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"Science will prove to be religion's undoing. Humanity has entered the Second Age of Enlightenment where the universe and our place in it is being understood better at a phenomenal rate. I firmly believe that when Man discovers how to travel vast distances in a reasonable timespan that religion will be demoted to the realm of cranks, wierdos and sects."
So it will finally fit in with the rest of humanity |
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
I don't think anyone has to be lied to, if a person has faith, that is their choice and should be respected. None of us can tell them with any certainty if they are mad or right.
It's quite possible they're neither.
Deluded would be closer to the truth."
Deluded maybe, but again, no one can say with certainty. Is there an after life? Is there a greater being? Do you really know for sure? You may believe it is complete nonsense in the same way as those with faith believe it is an absolute given. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
I don't think anyone has to be lied to, if a person has faith, that is their choice and should be respected. None of us can tell them with any certainty if they are mad or right."
I concur, but it wont stop people from being patronizing or mocking. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
I don't think anyone has to be lied to, if a person has faith, that is their choice and should be respected. None of us can tell them with any certainty if they are mad or right.I concur, but it wont stop people from being patronizing or mocking. "
How can it be mocking or patronising to insist on honesty and integrity when dealing with the woman who bore your Mother or Father? |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
I don't think anyone has to be lied to, if a person has faith, that is their choice and should be respected. None of us can tell them with any certainty if they are mad or right.I concur, but it wont stop people from being patronizing or mocking.
How can it be mocking or patronising to insist on honesty and integrity when dealing with the woman who bore your Mother or Father?"
Surprising as this may seem, i wasn't singling you out, merely agreeing with citygent in general.There have been mocking, vile, and patronising comments all over this thread, and on the other threads of the same subject, i was on earlier today and read them from the start.... |
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her."
You'll never know if she kept to her side of the bargain and she'll never know if you kept to yours, which is what religion is all about really isn't it, faith. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
You'll never know if she kept to her side of the bargain and she'll never know if you kept to yours, which is what religion is all about really isn't it, faith."
Religion is the opium for the masses.
For my (many) sins, I trusted Gran 100%. Not sure she shared my confidence but, either way, she now knows there's no Dog and no afterlife. |
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"It's not compulsory to partake.....it is easily avoided, like most other things in life"
Actually when you look at this in more detail it is practically impossible to avoid religion especially the christian faith. Much of our law comes from or is decided on by the church and will be as long as there are unelected bishops in the house of lords. Our society is based on christian values, most if not all schools have a person of faith on the board of governors. Religion worms its way into most aspects of life unfortunately. Look at the gay marriage law for example. |
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
You'll never know if she kept to her side of the bargain and she'll never know if you kept to yours, which is what religion is all about really isn't it, faith.
Religion is the opium for the masses.
For my (many) sins, I trusted Gran 100%. Not sure she shared my confidence but, either way, she now knows there's no Dog and no afterlife."
I agree religion has been used as a way of controlling the masses for centuries, it plays to human nature perfectly, if you don't behave in a manner which is deemed acceptable by us the church then you will suffer once you are dead. If you do comply with our teachings you will be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams. A perfect control mechanism as no one can prove the thesis wrong! As someone once said to me who was quite religious, I am happy, and if I'm proved wrong I've lost nothing, and if I'm proved right then I'm glad I made the choices I did. |
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Tbh I couldn't care less , I'm a complete non-believer .
The way things are going in England the church is heading for the dustbin!
They seem to attract bad press , if there is a heaven there won't be many church men there , and with all the recent stories coming out of Ireland about the nuns and the way they treated ladies an children in these so called homes ( which were more like Dickensian work houses ) I doubt there wouldn't be many of them there either. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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".........Who would I (or anybody else) have been to take that away from them?
My grannie and I had a deal.
She didn't lie to me and I didn't lie to her.
You'll never know if she kept to her side of the bargain and she'll never know if you kept to yours, which is what religion is all about really isn't it, faith.
Religion is the opium for the masses.
For my (many) sins, I trusted Gran 100%. Not sure she shared my confidence but, either way, she now knows there's no Dog and no afterlife.
I agree religion has been used as a way of controlling the masses for centuries, it plays to human nature perfectly, if you don't behave in a manner which is deemed acceptable by us the church then you will suffer once you are dead. If you do comply with our teachings you will be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams. A perfect control mechanism as no one can prove the thesis wrong! As someone once said to me who was quite religious, I am happy, and if I'm proved wrong I've lost nothing, and if I'm proved right then I'm glad I made the choices I did. "
Well said and for some people the adoption of some Christian values (not saying religion) would make them better people... which in turn would help creatae a better, more humane society.
If there were no values (Christian or otherwise) the world would be a horrible place I think. |
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""I can do all things through He who gives me strength." Philippians 4:13
Pope retires due to lack of strength.
Someone's lying."
It does make me wonder, if god allows his chief enforcer on earth to get ill, what does he actually do for a living? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Keith O'Brien, the only Scot with a vote re Ratzo's replacement, has come out in favour of priests being allowed to marry.
It's not known whether same-sex marriage is included in his plans. |
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"Don't care really. I just wish they'd finally release the first page of the bible that says 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental." "
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Keith O'Brien, the only Scot with a vote re Ratzo's replacement,........."
What a difference a few days can make.
Keith O’Brien, has confirmed his resignation as local head honcho in the wake of allegations of ‘inappropriate behaviour’.
In a statement this morning he said: “Ratzo has now decided that my resignation will take effect today.”
It is widely expected that the cleric will now not travel to Rome this week.
Four claimants had made allegations to nuncio Antonio Mennini, Ratzo’s henchman in Britain, that O’Brien had committed ‘inappropriate acts’ dating back to the 1980s.
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"Keith O'Brien, the only Scot with a vote re Ratzo's replacement,.........
What a difference a few days can make.
Keith O’Brien, has confirmed his resignation as local head honcho in the wake of allegations of ‘inappropriate behaviour’.
In a statement this morning he said: “Ratzo has now decided that my resignation will take effect today.”
It is widely expected that the cleric will now not travel to Rome this week.
Four claimants had made allegations to nuncio Antonio Mennini, Ratzo’s henchman in Britain, that O’Brien had committed ‘inappropriate acts’ dating back to the 1980s.
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over a year ago
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"Keith O'Brien, the only Scot with a vote re Ratzo's replacement,.........
What a difference a few days can make.
Keith O’Brien, has confirmed his resignation as local head honcho in the wake of allegations of ‘inappropriate behaviour’.
In a statement this morning he said: “Ratzo has now decided that my resignation will take effect today.”
It is widely expected that the cleric will now not travel to Rome this week.
Four claimants had made allegations to nuncio Antonio Mennini, Ratzo’s henchman in Britain, that O’Brien had committed ‘inappropriate acts’ dating back to the 1980s.
No smoke without fire. Church is in a mess."
I am wondering how this will be investigated tbh. |
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"Keith O'Brien, the only Scot with a vote re Ratzo's replacement,.........
What a difference a few days can make.
Keith O’Brien, has confirmed his resignation as local head honcho in the wake of allegations of ‘inappropriate behaviour’.
In a statement this morning he said: “Ratzo has now decided that my resignation will take effect today.”
It is widely expected that the cleric will now not travel to Rome this week.
Four claimants had made allegations to nuncio Antonio Mennini, Ratzo’s henchman in Britain, that O’Brien had committed ‘inappropriate acts’ dating back to the 1980s.
No smoke without fire. Church is in a mess.I am wondering how this will be investigated tbh. "
I doubt it will ever be investigated. There doesn't seem to be any allegation of any illegal activity so the Vatical will brush the whole matter under a prostrate altar boy, award O'Brien a big pension and allow him to end his days 'on retreat' somewhere. |
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