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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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.. are we fed agenda-driven content so we only consume what *they* want you to see / hear? 
Hmmm .. as dear old Mrs Merton  would say “let’s have a heated debate”
(I know this isn’t my usual fare on here so - to restore some sort of semblance to normality - ladies, please don’t hesitate to send boobs to my inbox ..  ( . Y . ) ) |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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No but not so much because it is unfair and unbiased but it's driven by greed. Pure greed.
Not an actual agenda as such, other than to get views, and churn out as much attention and money as they can.
They don't care either way unless it gives them more.
You can tell because of the way you are told you shouldn't do one thing, then later get told not to do the other thing.
I have a point somewhere in there.
But there is not overall social agenda. Just the medias drive to stay relevant and the cogs of the money wheel turning |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Everything we see is put out for a reason. Everything we don't see is kept from us for a reason. Media is toxic which is why people should do their own research, especially come election season. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am wary of anything that is in the media, on social media or out of the mouth of church or state.
I don’t trust any bugger really…until they have proved I can. |
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"Everything we see is put out for a reason. Everything we don't see is kept from us for a reason. Media is toxic which is why people should do their own research, especially come election season. "
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No, not at all.
I don't watch the news and haven't in years, because it's always presented at an angle and I like to give fair weight to as many angles as possible.
I remember showing my mother the difference between asking Google on my (vaguely leftist liberal) phone and her (definitely right wing) phone the exact same question, and how the confirmation bias is built into the search engines to make sure we keep clicking. |
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Even the fact checkers are often, quoting opinion as fact or being accurate but failing to represent an equally valid alternative, or failing to mention associated information that should be considered at the same time. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News."
GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber. |
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Deffo agree all media either left wing right wing has an agenda and uses misinformation to push it's agenda. The Guardian recently did a hatchet job on my company. Complete bullshit about pay structure and CEOs salary. All lies but all the sheep were sharing it over the Socials. It's so easy for them. |
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Our press and media are profit driven but that doesn’t mean we should ignore them. Just that we should take them with a healthy pinch of salt. Stay vigilant, be aware of media biases, but by all means keep reading/watching and stay informed.
Who could have predicted that media studies would turn out to be the vital skill for our generation? (I mean, apart from Marshall McLuhan.) |
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"GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber."
Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm, perchance? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would bore you all with my opinions pffft do that already haha.
I do not watch the news, nor read a paper. Things just rear ugly head in my own media.
Is news biased you bet it is controlled by and I will never have my news controlled fed. |
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News."
Agree, esp. regarding GB News, which is the biggest steaming pile of excrement I have witnessed for a long time  |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber.
Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm, perchance?"
Does it smell like burnt toast? |
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The print media (and associated websites) has a massive right wing bias, only the Guardian and Mirror are even the tiniest hint left leaning in any way. TV is more balanced but still largely right leaning apart from Channel 4 news. The Beeb was reasonably impartial up until about 10 years ago but has been slowly creeping rightward as the government has threatened its funding.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No, not at all.
I don't watch the news and haven't in years, because it's always presented at an angle and I like to give fair weight to as many angles as possible.
I remember showing my mother the difference between asking Google on my (vaguely leftist liberal) phone and her (definitely right wing) phone the exact same question, and how the confirmation bias is built into the search engines to make sure we keep clicking."
That’s the thing about social media in particular depending on who you follow / block .. invariably you create an echo chamber of views you want to hear and block out competing views.
There’s a lot (imho) of narrative pushing in various forms of media, in terms of socio-economic perspectives or identity politics in particular (some present very leftist views, others right wing).
I *try* to sit in the middle firmly on the fence and see things from both perspectives but think as a society we are becoming more and more polarised.
I guess the questions we should be asking are who is behind this .. and why! |
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"GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber.
Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm, perchance?"
No, you don't. That would be the genuine opinion of the author. |
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I can't believe so many of you have such little faith in our beloved British media
They would never skew a story to suit a their own narrative, and forever and always have had this great nations public interest at heart |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The print media (and associated websites) has a massive right wing bias, only the Guardian and Mirror are even the tiniest hint left leaning in any way. TV is more balanced but still largely right leaning apart from Channel 4 news. The Beeb was reasonably impartial up until about 10 years ago but has been slowly creeping rightward as the government has threatened its funding.
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That’s an interesting perspective, particularly about the BBC. It seems those on the left feel it is right wing biased, those on the right feel it is left wing biased.
I can see both perspectives at times : I guess it depends on each individual case and who is presenting it but I’ve thought some of their content can have clear bias in either direction.
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By (user no longer on site)
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All media that does not provide content that aligns with your viewpoint is bad.
All media that provides content that aligns with your viewpoint is good.
All media target a demographic to exploit and deliver content that is tailored to maximize revenue.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"All media that does not provide content that aligns with your viewpoint is bad.
All media that provides content that aligns with your viewpoint is good.
All media target a demographic to exploit and deliver content that is tailored to maximize revenue.
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I think the replies to this thread are already showing this.
I *try* to understand the source of what I’m hearing and where their perspective is coming from and take what I see / hear in that context.
If I read it in the Daily Mail there’s going to be a very different agenda than if I read it in the Guardian, for example. They both have their own agendas - consume your news with this in mind. The *truth* is probably somewhere in the middle! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The print media (and associated websites) has a massive right wing bias, only the Guardian and Mirror are even the tiniest hint left leaning in any way. TV is more balanced but still largely right leaning apart from Channel 4 news. The Beeb was reasonably impartial up until about 10 years ago but has been slowly creeping rightward as the government has threatened its funding.
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So we can expect a hard swing to the left in 2024?…..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, not at all.
I don't watch the news and haven't in years, because it's always presented at an angle and I like to give fair weight to as many angles as possible.
I remember showing my mother the difference between asking Google on my (vaguely leftist liberal) phone and her (definitely right wing) phone the exact same question, and how the confirmation bias is built into the search engines to make sure we keep clicking.
That’s the thing about social media in particular depending on who you follow / block .. invariably you create an echo chamber of views you want to hear and block out competing views.
There’s a lot (imho) of narrative pushing in various forms of media, in terms of socio-economic perspectives or identity politics in particular (some present very leftist views, others right wing).
I *try* to sit in the middle firmly on the fence and see things from both perspectives but think as a society we are becoming more and more polarised.
I guess the questions we should be asking are who is behind this .. and why! "
Illuminati!… |
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Might be worth checking this out...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
Whilst a lot of publications lean one way or the other, it appears we have a fairly balanced media if you look at the top 10 publications. |
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By *ogo1189Man
over a year ago
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"Might be worth checking this out...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
Whilst a lot of publications lean one way or the other, it appears we have a fairly balanced media if you look at the top 10 publications. "
These fact checking sites are usually set up by MPs or supporters. Fullfact was set up by Michael Samuel, a Tory donour |
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I think it's encapsulated in the debate between Andrew Marr and Noam Chomsky years ago. It will be on Youtube somewhere.
Freethinking journalists exist. It's just that it's only the ones whose views are palatable to the people who pay them, that get hired. |
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By *ogo1189Man
over a year ago
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"I think it's encapsulated in the debate between Andrew Marr and Noam Chomsky years ago. It will be on Youtube somewhere.
Freethinking journalists exist. It's just that it's only the ones whose views are palatable to the people who pay them, that get hired."
Absolutely. I think it’s important to differentiate between the organizations and the people that work for them
I don’t think anyone starts a career with the intention of being a dickhead |
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To answer your question, no. There is no unbiased media.
But whenever this topic comes up, I share this wonderful short scene from Yes, Prime Minister.
https://youtu.be/DGscoaUWW2M?si=kv__ibU9_xBFmp0k |
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"Might be worth checking this out...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
Whilst a lot of publications lean one way or the other, it appears we have a fairly balanced media if you look at the top 10 publications.
These fact checking sites are usually set up by MPs or supporters. Fullfact was set up by Michael Samuel, a Tory donour"
You could always go and have a read about them, see where their funding comes from...
Or, you could just dismiss them and keep your head buried.
The choice is yours |
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"Might be worth checking this out...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
Whilst a lot of publications lean one way or the other, it appears we have a fairly balanced media if you look at the top 10 publications. "
This is interesting... I guess most of our media don't tell outright lies. The bias is usually down to what news they decide to cover or not cover and which part of the news they want to focus on or hide. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News.
GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber."
Oh mate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Trouble is with the ‘I don’t trust the media, I get my news elsewhere’ brigade, is that whilst I understand their situation, they too often turn to social media or YouTube which is is generally even worse. |
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News."
The only decent newspaper was the sport, as it had a nipple count, and told us where lord lucan and Elvis was last seen  |
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News.
Agree, esp. regarding GB News, which is the biggest steaming pile of excrement I have witnessed for a long time
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The biggest problem with GB News (and there are 2 main problems with it I think) was that it was created to 'solve' a problem that simply didn't exist: that the BBC is 'too Left-wing'! Since the 70s and 80s when it had a run of about 3 vaguely 'lefty' DDG's, they've all been Liberal and Right. As has the BBC. It simply panders to the incumbent government, as if that's the 'climate' and that's it's job. But some people are still angry about those times over 30 years ago now. Also, the BBC's presenters are actually mostly either Liberal or Right-wing too. I don't watch much TV but I remember a day some years ago where almost everyone I saw was non-Left. From Andrew Neil, who it is said doesn't have a socialistic bone in his body, downwards.
Also, any reputable 'News' outlet should be inherently unbiased imo. Partisan news outlets (eg GB News here, and Fox News and Briebart in the States) are part of the whole problem! They cherry pick what to report and just channel the same RW agendas over and over again. And with them it's genuinely a political agenda, not just a sign-of-the-times libero-conservative 'washiness' like with the BBC.
It's worth noting too that Britain has never had a left-wing Daily Mail, and The Daily Mirror used to compete with a handful of Right-wing red-top newspapers.
I think it's all about exaggerating this 'Woke agenda' that some people seem to see in almost everything (actually explaining it is of course unnecessary) and then fighting "the madness" with broad reactionary strokes. Sure political 'cancelling' (actually on both sides) has happened, yes Brexiteers were (and are still) endlessly chastised just for being democratic (the heart of so much consternation in the UK - and the BBC foolishly let the politicians control the whole show), and some 'progressive' ideas are rather ill-conceived... but over-all they are well-meant attempts to actually deal with (and not just ignore) changing times, it is not the end of the world. As I used to say over on Fabguys (the forum over there is a *lot* less balanced than here), I'm still waiting for my Woke Armageddon!
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Not at all. It's largely dominated by highly wealthy elites, who pay minimal tax, with their own agenda, including political ideologies. The BBC generally is a mouthpiece for government and hasn't been suitably challenging and questioning. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Look at the BBC, then look at the Daily Mail, the Sun, and the Mirror. They all cover the exact same crap. Zero investigation, just regurgitating someone else's words. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look at the BBC, then look at the Daily Mail, the Sun, and the Mirror. They all cover the exact same crap. Zero investigation, just regurgitating someone else's words."
Exactly. Most media outlets are not pure news. They are opinion based reporting. Depending on the outlet, depends on the opinion shared.
The only true news providers are AP and Reuters as all they do is report the facts without the opinion. And even then they can fall into the trap of applying certain left wing politics tontheir reports. |
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By *ogo1189Man
over a year ago
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"Its a business its all about what pays best no matter the narrative as long as its ££££££"
Napoleon knew better than that and you’re not telling me governments haven’t learned more over the last 200 years |
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Everyone has an agenda. The media is no different to the fab forums in that regard.
I personally just accept that _everything_ I am going to see is biased and actively read as many different sources as I can. I know that everyone will give me one angle and I just collect angles. I don’t value them all as highly as each other but I still collect them.
I do worry when I see people who say they won’t read this media source or that media source - to my mind what they are saying is that they are shutting off signal. I don’t understand why you would do that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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He who controls the media, controls the masses… The way we look, the way we think, the way we dress, eat, shop etc, all has media influence, though of course it doesn’t take away out right to independently choose for ourselves… Laura Dodsworth wrote a book called “The Sate of Fear” around the COVID pandemic, it’s a very insightful read on how media works. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As much as society needs a media that exposes corruption at the highest levels in politics, the media these days needs reigned in. Infected with political correctness and far too much influence on people especially those of weak mind or trend followers, that's where the corporations jump on board and steer the media's narratives to their own end selling us the latest shite they tell us we want. You can see it all over the place .. climate change electric cars is the latest. They are drumming up support for the next covid based society conditioning trend for the winter ..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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At one time I was aware of the true stories and the difference that was printed or shown on TV. Why spoil a good news article by showing the truth.
I know for a fact that the news should never be relied upon as the truth.
Add to that the woke commercials where everyone lives in a multicultural relationship or are gay. Is that a true reflection of society or is the truth being blindfolded by the powerful few? |
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I think the idea that the media is all about making money is mistaken. There’s a big difference between an entertainment channel that has news programmes on it (BBC, ITV, C4, C5 etc.) and the likes of GB News, Talk TV, and the newspapers.
GB News, Talk TV and the major newspapers don’t make money, in fact they are making pretty big losses. The only reason they are kept going is so the incredibly rich people who own them get to keep spreading the propaganda that makes them money in other areas. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I believe about 5 people own the media and most are not from the UK.. They are also very political.
The journalists are all about their own reputations rather than the truth no matter who they work for (apart from a few good ones).
The BBC is supposed to be unbiased but is one of the most biased out there |
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News.
GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber."
You are not wrong but the weak woke & overtly PC can't see past their bitterness & beliefs.
It's not what I expected when I looked in although expected the worst initially.
I,d implore people to open their minds & watch/listen for an hour. With the exception of the screaming queen Dan Wooton Show people get time to talk without interruption which happens elsewhere as the channels try to steer the Outlook. |
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I'm not great at spotting the bias in the way stories are written. But I notice the patterns, use of certain phrases, same people wheeled out with same talking points (Farage, Peter Tatchell, Owen Jones) even when it makes NO sense.
And what I notice most is the lack of coverage in the MSM of certain countries/events/issues. It's been almost a year since Mahsa Amini's death sparked protest in Iran. You'd barely know there was protest if you stuck to the BBC. News. |
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"I'm not great at spotting the bias in the way stories are written. But I notice the patterns, use of certain phrases, same people wheeled out with same talking points (Farage, Peter Tatchell, Owen Jones) even when it makes NO sense.
And what I notice most is the lack of coverage in the MSM of certain countries/events/issues. It's been almost a year since Mahsa Amini's death sparked protest in Iran. You'd barely know there was protest if you stuck to the BBC. News. "
Part of the problem is that Michael Gove was right, we are sick of experts. Experts presents nuanced views and complexity, people don’t want complexity, people want simple concepts that require little thought. So they wheel out the likes of Farage, or some vulture from the ‘taxpayers alliance’ to give us an opinion that ignores anything they/we don’t like so we can have a handy little soundbite to support our worldview.
Emotion trumps fact, every time. |
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I think ultimately despite what they will have you believe about the free press, the raisin d’etre of the media is to turn a profit.
Whenever making money is in the equation there becomes the temptation to give the customer what they want to pay for, therefore there is always a temptation to spin things one way or t’other. |
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"I'm not great at spotting the bias in the way stories are written. But I notice the patterns, use of certain phrases, same people wheeled out with same talking points (Farage, Peter Tatchell, Owen Jones) even when it makes NO sense.
And what I notice most is the lack of coverage in the MSM of certain countries/events/issues. It's been almost a year since Mahsa Amini's death sparked protest in Iran. You'd barely know there was protest if you stuck to the BBC. News.
Part of the problem is that Michael Gove was right, we are sick of experts. Experts presents nuanced views and complexity, people don’t want complexity, people want simple concepts that require little thought. So they wheel out the likes of Farage, or some vulture from the ‘taxpayers alliance’ to give us an opinion that ignores anything they/we don’t like so we can have a handy little soundbite to support our worldview.
Emotion trumps fact, every time."
Some of us are sick of experts
If I have to hear one more sodding sound bite from Peter nonce Tatchell I will scream. |
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No, the media is not unbiased. Try watching Jeremy Vine and see how he allows the right wing mouthpieces to hold court but the likes of Owen Jones get shut down and even belittled by Jeremy and the rest. Then there's thick Storm who just denies any knowledge of anything predating her birth. It's all about the two of them and nothing else, also, I've noticed. Then the callers are the same five or six idiot right wingers who believe everything Boris Johnson or the Daily Mail tells you. And that's just egotist Vine's show, don't get me started on the likes of Laura Kuenssberg or bloody Dan Wooton! Eurgh. Vile the utter lot of them. |
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"No, the media is not unbiased. Try watching Jeremy Vine and see how he allows the right wing mouthpieces to hold court but the likes of Owen Jones get shut down and even belittled by Jeremy and the rest. Then there's thick Storm who just denies any knowledge of anything predating her birth. It's all about the two of them and nothing else, also, I've noticed. Then the callers are the same five or six idiot right wingers who believe everything Boris Johnson or the Daily Mail tells you. And that's just egotist Vine's show, don't get me started on the likes of Laura Kuenssberg or bloody Dan Wooton! Eurgh. Vile the utter lot of them."
Socialism has never and will never work, ever, ever. It's inhumane. |
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"Everything we see is put out for a reason. Everything we don't see is kept from us for a reason. Media is toxic which is why people should do their own research, especially come election season. "
Agree 100% research research and more research. |
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"No, the media is not unbiased. Try watching Jeremy Vine and see how he allows the right wing mouthpieces to hold court but the likes of Owen Jones get shut down and even belittled by Jeremy and the rest. Then there's thick Storm who just denies any knowledge of anything predating her birth. It's all about the two of them and nothing else, also, I've noticed. Then the callers are the same five or six idiot right wingers who believe everything Boris Johnson or the Daily Mail tells you. And that's just egotist Vine's show, don't get me started on the likes of Laura Kuenssberg or bloody Dan Wooton! Eurgh. Vile the utter lot of them.
Socialism has never and will never work, ever, ever. It's inhumane. "
It’s a lot like capitalism in that respect. |
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We definitely don’t have fair and unbiased media, and what we are shown is obviously engineered to a degree. But I’m not a full conspiracy theorist. I just don’t really pay attention to news apps/Channels anymore. |
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By *oxesMan
over a year ago
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".. are we fed agenda-driven content so we only consume what *they* want you to see / hear?
Hmmm .. as dear old Mrs Merton would say “let’s have a heated debate”
(I know this isn’t my usual fare on here so - to restore some sort of semblance to normality - ladies, please don’t hesitate to send boobs to my inbox .. ( . Y . ) )"
The question ultimately depends on how you consume your content. And your political leaning.
Yes editorial bias will always be present where ever you consume it. YouTube/online news tends to be the wild East (in reference to opening of Russia as a capitalist economy where all business were seen as free for all anything goes).
Newspapers are a free but a law on themselves in the UK (even though they have voluntary royal charter).
While TV is heavily regulated but may struggle to do vice style content content that looks at a topic from a certain viewpoint and breaks it down. |
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I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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I watch some MSM Last two nights I think it was BBC or ITV News first time I’ve watched UK TV in several years I don’t read newspapers or get news on places like BBC website or Facebook, Mostly keep up-to-date using Al Jazeera New York Times, RT.
I was shocked to every single story seem to have an agenda either politically or ideology making some statement that was not really relevant to the story itself. It was like the news readers were actors with an agenda. I’m not a paranoid person and don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories but I never noticed that the UK news readers used to do this several years ago maybe I was just numbed and blinded by it being brought upon it for decades as a young person and now I’ve seen a different kind of news actual journalism |
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"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
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One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US. |
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"I remember the BBC when it was just a person (impartial) reading the news. Too many on there now, including guests voicing their own opinions without hearing an opposite voice."
Me too, the loss of trust in the BBC is where it all started to fall to bits.
Following that politicians more interested in celebrity than representing of the electorate has ruined all trust, but both the above are actually linked.
We need to pay all MP's £150k p.a. & ban other jobs, directorships, sitting on boards & paid speeches other than true expenses. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I watch some MSM Last two nights I think it was BBC or ITV News first time I’ve watched UK TV in several years I don’t read newspapers or get news on places like BBC website or Facebook, Mostly keep up-to-date using Al Jazeera New York Times, RT.
I was shocked to every single story seem to have an agenda either politically or ideology making some statement that was not really relevant to the story itself. It was like the news readers were actors with an agenda. I’m not a paranoid person and don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories but I never noticed that the UK news readers used to do this several years ago maybe I was just numbed and blinded by it being brought upon it for decades as a young person and now I’ve seen a different kind of news actual journalism"
One example that was two people died in the car when a road flooded, But the story wasn’t about the road flooding how it happened didn’t even say actually how they died whether they got out the car or drowned the whole story was about how they were about to celebrate a special wedding anniversary. There was nothing of factual importance or relevance in the whole story all about sensationalising. Made me wonder if they do such things on such small stories what the hell is going on with real news |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US."
What about the Guardian ? I guess they are more liberal left , Academic left, intelligentsia but certainly not right wing |
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"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US.
What about the Guardian ? I guess they are more liberal left , Academic left, intelligentsia but certainly not right wing "
The Guardian is an odd one, it is largely liberal/centrist but on some social issues, such as trans rights, it has a distinct conservative bias. Ultimately, like all liberals and centrists, it’s supportive of the status quo. |
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"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US."
The left wing have tricked you into thinking that way |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US.
What about the Guardian ? I guess they are more liberal left , Academic left, intelligentsia but certainly not right wing
The Guardian is an odd one, it is largely liberal/centrist but on some social issues, such as trans rights, it has a distinct conservative bias. Ultimately, like all liberals and centrists, it’s supportive of the status quo."
The guardian was never left wing. |
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"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US."
You are substantially right there. The USA Right wing call the Democrats left wing, communist, socialist yet in this country they would be considered far right. The average USA Republican would make Oswald Mosely look like a pinko. |
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"No, the media is not unbiased. Try watching Jeremy Vine and see how he allows the right wing mouthpieces to hold court but the likes of Owen Jones get shut down and even belittled by Jeremy and the rest. Then there's thick Storm who just denies any knowledge of anything predating her birth. It's all about the two of them and nothing else, also, I've noticed. Then the callers are the same five or six idiot right wingers who believe everything Boris Johnson or the Daily Mail tells you. And that's just egotist Vine's show, don't get me started on the likes of Laura Kuenssberg or bloody Dan Wooton! Eurgh. Vile the utter lot of them."
My opinion good, any other opinion bad.
Jesus we are in Animal Farm. |
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Our media is incredably biased amd has far too much influce to push an agenda set by owners.
It publishes lies and distorts facts on a daily basis.
I would have no problem feeding the Murdochs and Viscount Rothermere (Daily Fail owner) into a wood chipper for the damage they have done over the years |
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"No, most of the media has an agenda of some sort.
The print media is probably the worst along with GB News.
GB News is the only news outlet that has people of all political persuasions,organisations and people of all views on any subject on it regularly and equally.The only agenda is giving everyone a fair hearing instead of the mainstream echo chamber.
You are not wrong but the weak woke & overtly PC can't see past their bitterness & beliefs.
It's not what I expected when I looked in although expected the worst initially.
I,d implore people to open their minds & watch/listen for an hour. With the exception of the screaming queen Dan Wooton Show people get time to talk without interruption which happens elsewhere as the channels try to steer the Outlook. "
Lol, I don't know if you're being genuine, or if this is a jokey post to demonstrate how badly some people are manipulated by the media. |
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"No, the media is not unbiased. Try watching Jeremy Vine and see how he allows the right wing mouthpieces to hold court but the likes of Owen Jones get shut down and even belittled by Jeremy and the rest. Then there's thick Storm who just denies any knowledge of anything predating her birth. It's all about the two of them and nothing else, also, I've noticed. Then the callers are the same five or six idiot right wingers who believe everything Boris Johnson or the Daily Mail tells you. And that's just egotist Vine's show, don't get me started on the likes of Laura Kuenssberg or bloody Dan Wooton! Eurgh. Vile the utter lot of them.
My opinion good, any other opinion bad.
Jesus we are in Animal Farm."
Are you referring to me? Or Jeremy?  |
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Of course every outlet has their own agenda, some push it more than others, it might be that they are the same page as your own views and you would not see it, or that you watch, read, subscribe to an outlet just to see the difference in opinions to your own.
Either way, it's impossible to be impartial in today's world.
I can't think of a single news, media or any kind of outlet that will just report facts and goings on without filtering, tayloring or plainly ignoring some news to suit or benefit it's own end. |
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By *essaMayWoman
over a year ago
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It isnt the media that is biased it is the people or recipients that are biased. Media just exploits that to sell news, make money. People are gullible.
An old expression:-
Communication is easy - tell people what you think they want to hear.
Forums, Chat, Media, politics all the same. Media simply tailor the news towards their target audience own narrative and biases. Simples |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I follow USA politics as British is too boring. I used to watch CNN, MSNBC etc and Fox news plus even trying OAN.
I found the left wing sites did appear to attempt to justify, with facts, what they put out, in general, but did sink to insults on many occasions.
Fox however seemed to have a short play list of real issues prefering to play to the Trump base. You can only listen to so much "Hunter Biden this and that" before the irrelevance, lack of facts and action makes you glaze over. It is in the main pure gaslighting.
So keep your brain engaged and believe only what is truly believable and if possible verifiable.
One of the things the right wing media has tricked us into thinking is that there is such a thing as left wing media. There is no left wing media, only less right wing media, especially in the US.
What about the Guardian ? I guess they are more liberal left , Academic left, intelligentsia but certainly not right wing
The Guardian is an odd one, it is largely liberal/centrist but on some social issues, such as trans rights, it has a distinct conservative bias. Ultimately, like all liberals and centrists, it’s supportive of the status quo.
The guardian was never left wing. "
I dont think I agree it’s always been read by liberal middle class socialists , they might not be openly militant or communist but they are not right wing |
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The Guardian changed dramatically when the revamped 'Scott Trust Limited' was created. For years the foundation was very behind the scenes (almost secret really in its silence), but lately it's had more of an open identity.
It is a group of 'unbiased' and influential Blairites essentially, brought together to safeguard the integrity of its new 'era' of hyper-liberal reporting, and to make sure it never ever steers too far to the Left again. Unfortunately that 'Left' is just the middle of the Left, which so many millions of us are still interested in. It is why the Guardian never let Corbyn even sit down before constantly poking him up the arse, why they give Tony Blair his own Opinion piece every time he asks for one, and why it outright refuses to get behind Palestine the way it once did for South Africa.
But like the BBC, the Guardian is a bit of a media behemoth. Some of it's non-political or general topic pieces are still pretty good. It's science is a bit meh. The BBC is probably better at a few things, but The Guardian is totally free unless you chose to pay. It;s where a lot of people go as really there is nothing else quite like it.
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"The Guardian changed dramatically when the revamped 'Scott Trust Limited' was created. For years the foundation was very behind the scenes (almost secret really in its silence), but lately it's had more of an open identity.
It is a group of 'unbiased' and influential Blairites essentially, brought together to safeguard the integrity of its new 'era' of hyper-liberal reporting, and to make sure it never ever steers too far to the Left again. Unfortunately that 'Left' is just the middle of the Left, which so many millions of us are still interested in. It is why the Guardian never let Corbyn even sit down before constantly poking him up the arse, why they give Tony Blair his own Opinion piece every time he asks for one, and why it outright refuses to get behind Palestine the way it once did for South Africa.
But like the BBC, the Guardian is a bit of a media behemoth. Some of it's non-political or general topic pieces are still pretty good. It's science is a bit meh. The BBC is probably better at a few things, but The Guardian is totally free unless you chose to pay. It;s where a lot of people go as really there is nothing else quite like it.
pt"
I forgot to say this happened around 2008. A lot of its readers may recognise the change in approach from around that time. Lots of wiffy 'Comment is Free' to 'balance' it's hard-Lib editorials.
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In my view, most of the mainstream media is right wing, from the screamingly so Dailies Mail, Express and Telegraph to the moderately (BBC). Private Eye is generally fairly anti-establishment and doesn’t have much of a good word to say about anyone in politics. Double Down News and The Guardian are centre-left, Socialist Worker and Morning Star pretty far left. One way or another most of them have an agenda and I guess the mainstream position probably does reflect the views of the majority in Britain. But it all depends on where you are standing…. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"The Guardian changed dramatically when the revamped 'Scott Trust Limited' was created. For years the foundation was very behind the scenes (almost secret really in its silence), but lately it's had more of an open identity.
It is a group of 'unbiased' and influential Blairites essentially, brought together to safeguard the integrity of its new 'era' of hyper-liberal reporting, and to make sure it never ever steers too far to the Left again. Unfortunately that 'Left' is just the middle of the Left, which so many millions of us are still interested in. It is why the Guardian never let Corbyn even sit down before constantly poking him up the arse, why they give Tony Blair his own Opinion piece every time he asks for one, and why it outright refuses to get behind Palestine the way it once did for South Africa.
But like the BBC, the Guardian is a bit of a media behemoth. Some of it's non-political or general topic pieces are still pretty good. It's science is a bit meh. The BBC is probably better at a few things, but The Guardian is totally free unless you chose to pay. It;s where a lot of people go as really there is nothing else quite like it.
pt
I forgot to say this happened around 2008. A lot of its readers may recognise the change in approach from around that time. Lots of wiffy 'Comment is Free' to 'balance' it's hard-Lib editorials.
pt"
It's impossible for any long term reader not to notice the change. Their standards haven't so much fell as free falled. It still produces some good pieces but they are accompanied by an ever increasing level of garbage clickbait.
The guardian never gets the credit for leading the charge against Corbyn. |
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"The Guardian changed dramatically when the revamped 'Scott Trust Limited' was created. For years the foundation was very behind the scenes (almost secret really in its silence), but lately it's had more of an open identity.
It is a group of 'unbiased' and influential Blairites essentially, brought together to safeguard the integrity of its new 'era' of hyper-liberal reporting, and to make sure it never ever steers too far to the Left again. Unfortunately that 'Left' is just the middle of the Left, which so many millions of us are still interested in. It is why the Guardian never let Corbyn even sit down before constantly poking him up the arse, why they give Tony Blair his own Opinion piece every time he asks for one, and why it outright refuses to get behind Palestine the way it once did for South Africa.
But like the BBC, the Guardian is a bit of a media behemoth. Some of it's non-political or general topic pieces are still pretty good. It's science is a bit meh. The BBC is probably better at a few things, but The Guardian is totally free unless you chose to pay. It;s where a lot of people go as really there is nothing else quite like it.
pt
I forgot to say this happened around 2008. A lot of its readers may recognise the change in approach from around that time. Lots of wiffy 'Comment is Free' to 'balance' it's hard-Lib editorials.
pt
It's impossible for any long term reader not to notice the change. Their standards haven't so much fell as free falled. It still produces some good pieces but they are accompanied by an ever increasing level of garbage clickbait.
The guardian never gets the credit for leading the charge against Corbyn.
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-Possibly even worse for me is The Guardian's macho Line on this current stupid phwoar. It's just so utterly needless and it's just plain wrong! Putin's wild push on Kiev wasn't "Totally Unprovoked" in any such dramatically-complete sense, it simply wasn't. It may have been a dumb gamble by Putin to think he could actually reach there to re-negotiate (and almost all war is simply grim and foolish to me), but we were arming and training Ukraine to a point where he simply just took the initiative. He could have waited on the disputed borders to be outgunned, or... what? Talk to NATO about the almost non-existent negotiations again? Putin surprised a lot of people for sure (except maybe the Pentagon), but his approach could be rationalised on the same day. The whole situation was and is absolutely NOT "Totally" nothing in any sensible reporters book. The Guardian need to describe it more honestly - it's supposed to be their job. But they are no longer antagonistic to war. How did that happen!? It's all down to excusing those damn gulf wars.
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GroundNews is a news aggregator that shows the political bias of the news source.
Substack is a platform for independent journalists to make money without having to rely on an editor or media owner.
Non mainstream news normally has more detail and is more trust worth that traditional news sources. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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Is the raison detre of a news agency to circulate news or to make money?
I think it's the latter and they merely use news to make money. If I'm right, some of them don't necessarily care about accuracy.
There are obviously partisan agencies, such as GB News and others that pretend to be serious but are awful, such as The Daily Fail. They can even contradict themselves in quite a short space of time.
Getting a cross section of reports is often a good idea.
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"GroundNews is a news aggregator that shows the political bias of the news source.
Substack is a platform for independent journalists to make money without having to rely on an editor or media owner.
Non mainstream news normally has more detail and is more trust worth that traditional news sources. "
GroundNews looks really interesting - thanks for that. |
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"No I do not believe we have a fair and unbiased media. "
This. Like in any platform, some people have very loud voices, and people will listen a lot more to them than others. And those voices come from a biased point of view sometimes. |
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I remember doing a project for my GCSE english, you had to write a story about someone. But you had to write it from a gutterpress and a broadsheets newspaper point of view.
So I bought a couple of different papers just to get to understand how they wrote stories, it was an eye opener that back in the late 80'show biased the different papers were.
I get the impression, it has only gotten worse in recent years. |
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By *elshmumWoman
over a year ago
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No we don't have a fair and unbiased media. It concentrates on the bed and streading hate, discriminating again people they don't agree with and only providing the details they want us to know.
Example - black islamic terrorist blows up British Church.
white British man attacks mosque
To me both these people are terrorists and there colour and religion are irrelevant. But as can be seen, the difference in how it is reported is obvious. |
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