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"What a pathetic debacle "Very. | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. " He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic | |||
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"Luis has been suspended, I bet he regrets it now Despite the Spanish FA calling Jenni a lying cow They’re trying to suggest that it all is Jenni’s fault Despite it being clear that she suffered sexual assault It really is a shame, that Luis fucked it up As nobody is actually talking about winning the fucking Cup" Who is the judge and jury here ? they were hugging ,,he kissed her , she says she didn’t like it and didn’t consent. Her arms were around him , did he consent to that ? Surely if she says she’s been sexually assaulted it’s a police and courts matter to determine guilt ? | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips? "You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
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"Luis has been suspended, I bet he regrets it now Despite the Spanish FA calling Jenni a lying cow They’re trying to suggest that it all is Jenni’s fault Despite it being clear that she suffered sexual assault It really is a shame, that Luis fucked it up As nobody is actually talking about winning the fucking Cup Who is the judge and jury here ? they were hugging ,,he kissed her , she says she didn’t like it and didn’t consent. Her arms were around him , did he consent to that ? Surely if she says she’s been sexually assaulted it’s a police and courts matter to determine guilt ? " Luis saw her coming, and put his lips in a pucker The way he kissed her hard it’s obvious he wanted to fuck her Don’t take literally what’s said in these lines of mine I’m just making up shit to get the words to rhyme | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
"God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid! | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid! "Did she play football too? | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Did she play football too? "If she did it would have been for the over 90s | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Did she play football too?
If she did it would have been for the over 90s "Still better than our men's team. | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. " Didn't he insist it was consensual? What would he have to apologize about if he didn't apparently didn't do anything wrong? | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid! "Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth  | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth "Sad thing is it wouldn’t surprise me! | |||
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"I wonder if Kate would’ve received the same backlash if let’s hypothetically say the England man’s team won and she gave Harry Kane a great big smacker on the lips?? " Is Kate in the same position of power over the players? | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth "Sure. There's no difference whatsoever between that and what happened to Jenni Hermoso. It's just a laugh innit. | |||
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"I wonder if Kate would’ve received the same backlash if let’s hypothetically say the England man’s team won and she gave Harry Kane a great big smacker on the lips?? " To be fair, watching Amanda Staveley rubbing the Newcastle players' faces after the League Cup final kinda gave me the ick | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth "What’s kissing got to do with racism? | |||
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"I wonder if Kate would’ve received the same backlash if let’s hypothetically say the England man’s team won and she gave Harry Kane a great big smacker on the lips?? Is Kate in the same position of power over the players? " The wife of the President of the FA? The First Lady of football in England? | |||
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"I wonder if Kate would’ve received the same backlash if let’s hypothetically say the England man’s team won and she gave Harry Kane a great big smacker on the lips?? To be fair, watching Amanda Staveley rubbing the Newcastle players' faces after the League Cup final kinda gave me the ick" Those words sent shivers down my spine | |||
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"I wonder if Kate would’ve received the same backlash if let’s hypothetically say the England man’s team won and she gave Harry Kane a great big smacker on the lips?? " She would be burned at the newspaper stakes | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth
Sure. There's no difference whatsoever between that and what happened to Jenni Hermoso. It's just a laugh innit. "Details are so last century, you need to get with the times! | |||
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"Luis has been suspended, I bet he regrets it now Despite the Spanish FA calling Jenni a lying cow They’re trying to suggest that it all is Jenni’s fault Despite it being clear that she suffered sexual assault It really is a shame, that Luis fucked it up As nobody is actually talking about winning the fucking Cup Who is the judge and jury here ? they were hugging ,,he kissed her , she says she didn’t like it and didn’t consent. Her arms were around him , did he consent to that ? Surely if she says she’s been sexually assaulted it’s a police and courts matter to determine guilt ? " I hug people at work. I don't kiss them on the lips. Even though some of them are hot. My common sense kicks in. | |||
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"Can’t they just sort it out themselves?" Maybe. He is her boss though so might be an issue there. | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. " I was in no way condoing what he did, it was wrong. It was assault. But it is the continual going on about it for the last week and probably the rest of time. That's what is wrong with world. The focus should be on what was a great world cup, not on a prat like him. | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth
Sad thing is it wouldn’t surprise me!"Not us! | |||
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"I'm going to quote this in every recurring thread (yes there has been at least 2 already).... I've been spending a lot of time with young men lately (throughout their 20's mainly), a number of who are really into Andrew Tate. Those ones really, really admire him. Tate being the wild conspiracy theorist who made his money from grooming vulnerable young women for his webcam business (ie by coercing them into it - only to find that even supposedly 'looser' Romania now has its own laws relating to that) and who charged 50 dollars a month for 'masculinity lessons' to aspirational young males that included lessons like "Grab, slap, ch*ke, shut up b*tch - sex." (it's all on audio/video record of course - he did this). The idea that men can just take ownership of women's bodies *in any way* is totally unacceptable. When men like this lay their unwanted hands on each other, it's either called bullying or it's called war. But when they do it to women it's now too-often part of some lazy-minded political ('anti-woke') backlash that's entirely spurious in conception. Yes these men see themselves as 'heroes' (or 'protectors' in the case of women) of masculinity. Rubiales just wouldn't properly apologise or resign (he decided to pretend it was pre-arranged instead - and of course women are ALWAYS duplicitous in these matters aren't they?), and he will see himself as a hero for certain. And to many young men today sadly, that is what he'll be. "When will the woman own up to lying about her agreement?" is the kind of question those kids would ask about Hermoso. Despite only a few percent of expected r*pes-even (forget assaults) going to court, those kids are convinced - largely because of Tate and of course because of "I don't even wait" Trump - that there is genuinely a global epidemic of spiteful women attacking innocent men in this area - all to the tune where the statistics are pretty-much reversed (ie over 90% of the the most serious cases are viewed by them as conspired by women, and are not down to aggressive males at all). It's incredibly hard for women to see any kind of justice in an area that is actually increasing over modern times (even if the recompense is just to recognise it happening and help slow it down). The time it has taken for FIFA to suspend this guy is ultimately evidence of that horrible fact, regardless of it being over this particular level of enactment. It's been news for a reason, people. Stop being so paranoid and cynical of every damn thing that isn't gammon fried on gammon fried on gammon. Sorry for coming on so strong, but it's supposed to be 2023 and I just cannot see how people can remotely excuse this kind of stuff. Let's get rid! pt"  | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth
Sad thing is it wouldn’t surprise me!
Not us! "It does happen to men though. In fact American football is well known for the coach slapping the players on the ass when they run out on the field. This isn’t a gender thing. If it’s wrong for women then it’s wrong for men That being said, mainland Europeans are well known for kissing. The first thing hermaso did straight after was go over and Kiss the trophy. What next? A ban on drinking in France? | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. I was in no way condoing what he did, it was wrong. It was assault. But it is the continual going on about it for the last week and probably the rest of time. That's what is wrong with world. The focus should be on what was a great world cup, not on a prat like him. " That's one point of view. My point of view is that dealing with men's- at home and in the workplace - perception of women and working toward an understanding, a definition of and great reduction of sexual assault is more important issue than a game of football. That people want to sweep it away because it is getting in the way of them enjoying sport demonstrates how engrained misogyny is in our cultures and is precisely the reason this should not be let go of. | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. I was in no way condoing what he did, it was wrong. It was assault. But it is the continual going on about it for the last week and probably the rest of time. That's what is wrong with world. The focus should be on what was a great world cup, not on a prat like him. That's one point of view. My point of view is that dealing with men's- at home and in the workplace - perception of women and working toward an understanding, a definition of and great reduction of sexual assault is more important issue than a game of football. That people want to sweep it away because it is getting in the way of them enjoying sport demonstrates how engrained misogyny is in our cultures and is precisely the reason this should not be let go of. " A fair point. We are concerned that men's perception of women is at gutter level in so many ways. There is a lot of mysoginism and sexual harassment out there, N has first hand experience of this. P was bought to.treat women with respect and as equal we think so many boys have not been and continue to not be bought up that way, and that is not just the what parents do but life as a whole. | |||
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"Luis has been suspended, I bet he regrets it now Despite the Spanish FA calling Jenni a lying cow They’re trying to suggest that it all is Jenni’s fault Despite it being clear that she suffered sexual assault It really is a shame, that Luis fucked it up As nobody is actually talking about winning the fucking Cup" Perfect summary of the debacle. It should have been one of the most joyous moments of these women’s careers and it’s overshadowed by a creep who thinks he can do whatever he wants because of his job. | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth
Sure. There's no difference whatsoever between that and what happened to Jenni Hermoso. It's just a laugh innit. "Any excuse to use the W word  | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth
Sad thing is it wouldn’t surprise me!
Not us!
It does happen to men though. In fact American football is well known for the coach slapping the players on the ass when they run out on the field. This isn’t a gender thing. If it’s wrong for women then it’s wrong for men
That being said, mainland Europeans are well known for kissing. The first thing hermaso did straight after was go over and Kiss the trophy. What next? A ban on drinking in France?"Yes it's precisely the same when it happens to men. My son has been ass slapped at work and a couple of other things and I'm furious on his behalf. So are you saying it's ok for him to kiss her full on the lips because she kissed the trophy?  | |||
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"Luis has been suspended, I bet he regrets it now Despite the Spanish FA calling Jenni a lying cow They’re trying to suggest that it all is Jenni’s fault Despite it being clear that she suffered sexual assault It really is a shame, that Luis fucked it up As nobody is actually talking about winning the fucking Cup Perfect summary of the debacle. It should have been one of the most joyous moments of these women’s careers and it’s overshadowed by a creep who thinks he can do whatever he wants because of his job. " | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid!
Parents watch out….. your wokery kids will have you locked up as pedos for all those non consensual hugs and kisses you’ve done since birth
Sad thing is it wouldn’t surprise me!
Not us!
It does happen to men though. In fact American football is well known for the coach slapping the players on the ass when they run out on the field. This isn’t a gender thing. If it’s wrong for women then it’s wrong for men
That being said, mainland Europeans are well known for kissing. The first thing hermaso did straight after was go over and Kiss the trophy. What next? A ban on drinking in France?
Yes it's precisely the same when it happens to men. My son has been ass slapped at work and a couple of other things and I'm furious on his behalf.
So are you saying it's ok for him to kiss her full on the lips because she kissed the trophy? "I’m not saying it’s ok because she kissed the trophy. I’m saying this is another part of the world and there are cultural differences. Even Hermoso has described it as “natural”. From aljazeera: [Hermoso] later downplayed the incident in a statement released by the federation, saying it was “a totally spontaneous mutual gesture because of the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings”. “The president and I have a great relationship. His behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” she added, according to the federation statement. I don’t think we, as Brits, have any right imposing our own cultures and standards on others. We tried colonization once already and it failed What I don’t like is how he has made clear that he’s only apologizing because he’s been made to. He should just apologise. It’s like anything controversial. He shouldn’t be strung up for doing it but now that he has and it wasn’t well received: he needs to accept it, apologize and move on | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips? "They’re normalising unacceptable behaviour Warra shocker | |||
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"The statement came from the Federation and was not given by Hermoso" The statement was given by Hermoso and published by the federation. If you have any evidence to say otherwise then I’m happy to look at it My view is the Spanish are entitled to their culture and we have no right to act as though ours is superior | |||
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"The statement was said by the federation not hermoso. If you have any evidence that she said it I am happy to look at that. " Hermoso later downplayed the incident in a statement released by the federation Read the article yourself. It clearly says she made the statement and they only released it | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt" Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch  | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch "When? All I see in this video is him going to embrace the next player straight after https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146 | |||
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"The statement was said by the federation not hermoso. If you have any evidence that she said it I am happy to look at that. Hermoso later downplayed the incident in a statement released by the federation Read the article yourself. It clearly says she made the statement and they only released it" Do you have a link ? | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch
When? All I see in this video is him going to embrace the next player straight after
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146"It's at a different point in his 'celebration'. When he was standing next to Spains Queen. | |||
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"The statement came from the Federation and was not given by Hermoso The statement was given by Hermoso and published by the federation. If you have any evidence to say otherwise then I’m happy to look at it My view is the Spanish are entitled to their culture and we have no right to act as though ours is superior" Seems like the Spanish women want the so called Culture to change. | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch
When? All I see in this video is him going to embrace the next player straight after
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146
It's at a different point in his 'celebration'. When he was standing next to Spains Queen. "If that’s enough for someone to be suspended the I’m in trouble! My boxers are always bunching up! Might need to start going commando | |||
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"The statement came from the Federation and was not given by Hermoso The statement was given by Hermoso and published by the federation. If you have any evidence to say otherwise then I’m happy to look at it My view is the Spanish are entitled to their culture and we have no right to act as though ours is superior Seems like the Spanish women want the so called Culture to change." Cultures do change and if it will then it will. My point is we’re looking through the lens of a culture where this already wouldn’t be acceptable and would be seen as sexual. They aren’t and see it as affectionate. Two very different situations | |||
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"The statement came from the Federation and was not given by Hermoso The statement was given by Hermoso and published by the federation. If you have any evidence to say otherwise then I’m happy to look at it My view is the Spanish are entitled to their culture and we have no right to act as though ours is superior Seems like the Spanish women want the so called Culture to change. Cultures do change and if it will then it will. My point is we’re looking through the lens of a culture where this already wouldn’t be acceptable and would be seen as sexual. They aren’t and see it as affectionate. Two very different situations " Listen to Spanish news reports. Watch the protests by Spanish people. to They do not find it acceptable. It is NOT a Spanish cultural norm to hold women firmly by the head so they must take your kiss. It is a custom to greet certain people with air kisses, one to each cheek. | |||
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"I wonder if Kate would’ve received the same backlash if let’s hypothetically say the England man’s team won and she gave Harry Kane a great big smacker on the lips?? Is Kate in the same position of power over the players? The wife of the President of the FA? The First Lady of football in England? " Yes, the wife of. Not the President. So she's not in the same position of power over the players. | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ?" Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient | |||
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"The statement was said by the federation not hermoso. If you have any evidence that she said it I am happy to look at that. Hermoso later downplayed the incident in a statement released by the federation Read the article yourself. It clearly says she made the statement and they only released it Do you have a link ?" | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient" That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. | |||
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"The statement came from the Federation and was not given by Hermoso The statement was given by Hermoso and published by the federation. If you have any evidence to say otherwise then I’m happy to look at it My view is the Spanish are entitled to their culture and we have no right to act as though ours is superior Seems like the Spanish women want the so called Culture to change. Cultures do change and if it will then it will. My point is we’re looking through the lens of a culture where this already wouldn’t be acceptable and would be seen as sexual. They aren’t and see it as affectionate. Two very different situations Listen to Spanish news reports. Watch the protests by Spanish people. to They do not find it acceptable. It is NOT a Spanish cultural norm to hold women firmly by the head so they must take your kiss. It is a custom to greet certain people with air kisses, one to each cheek. " This ^^^^^ | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. " Happy to concede but I need a link if it’s in Spanish | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. Happy to concede but I need a link if it’s in Spanish " Well no, because I'd be banned for posting it! Google is your friend. | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. Happy to concede but I need a link if it’s in Spanish " 
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. Happy to concede but I need a link if it’s in Spanish Well no, because I'd be banned for posting it! Google is your friend. " Convenient. No article title, site name etc. Just no | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch
When? All I see in this video is him going to embrace the next player straight after
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146
It's at a different point in his 'celebration'. When he was standing next to Spains Queen.
If that’s enough for someone to be suspended the I’m in trouble! My boxers are always bunching up! Might need to start going commando "Just keep your hands away from your dick when near the Queen. | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch
When? All I see in this video is him going to embrace the next player straight after
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146
It's at a different point in his 'celebration'. When he was standing next to Spains Queen.
If that’s enough for someone to be suspended the I’m in trouble! My boxers are always bunching up! Might need to start going commando
Just keep your hands away from your dick when near the Queen. "I’ll try to remember that next time I’m near a monarch. Does Prince Andrew count or can I straighten up near him? | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. Happy to concede but I need a link if it’s in Spanish Well no, because I'd be banned for posting it! Google is your friend. Convenient. No article title, site name etc. Just no" Knock yourself out RUBIALES ROGÓ SIN ÉXITO A JENNI HERMOSO QUE LO DEFENDIERA EN UN COMUNICADO CONJUNTO | |||
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"“It was a mutual gesture, totally spontaneous due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” Hermoso told EFE, via Cadena SER.This is the quote that Hermosa shared "Not her words. | |||
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"“It was a mutual gesture, totally spontaneous due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” Hermoso told EFE, via Cadena SER.This is the quote that Hermosa shared
Not her words. "It say and i quote" Hermosa told the EFE" | |||
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"Do you have the link to show that Hermoso DID give an interview as you say ? Yes: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/sports/2023/8/22/spain-pm-says-football-boss-apology-over-kiss-insufficient That was a fake statement attributing words to Hermoso. "Only those were not her words. According to Natalia Torrente of Relevo, the Communications department for the Spanish women’s national team wrote and put out that statement, which speaks in first person of Hermoso’s relationship with Rubiales. The statement was put out to the press, reported widely, and not corrected by the RFEF." It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish. Happy to concede but I need a link if it’s in Spanish Well no, because I'd be banned for posting it! Google is your friend. Convenient. No article title, site name etc. Just no" I did say the name of the site. Fibber. "It's on Relevo by Torrente in Spanish." | |||
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"“It was a mutual gesture, totally spontaneous due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” Hermoso told EFE, via Cadena SER.This is the quote that Hermosa shared
Not her words. It say and i quote" Hermosa told the EFE" "Not her words. See above. | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips? "Did he force her to put her arms around him also . | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also ."Was that permission to kiss her on the lips? I was just checking for the next time I accept a hug from a man. | |||
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt Yeah at one point he grabbed his crotch
When? All I see in this video is him going to embrace the next player straight after
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146
It's at a different point in his 'celebration'. When he was standing next to Spains Queen.
If that’s enough for someone to be suspended the I’m in trouble! My boxers are always bunching up! Might need to start going commando
Just keep your hands away from your dick when near the Queen.
I’ll try to remember that next time I’m near a monarch. Does Prince Andrew count or can I straighten up near him?"Tbh I don't really care what you do. | |||
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Not her words. It say and i quote" Hermosa told the EFE" "I watched the kiss they were both happy they cuddled they kissed he patted her on the back all in the space of 3 seconds its been blown out of all proportion as usual, i mean assault cmon, he's lost his job because of the media and many of you have jumped on the bandwagon, its Spain where guys kiss guys and that sort of affection is normal this is all the media and you've been sucked into it | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also ."Well, to me it looks like she consented to a hug. What from her actions makes you think she consented to him grabbing her face and forcing a kiss on her lips? I don't know how people can try to justify this. It's not OK to kiss someone randomly when they've shown absolutely zero interest in doing so. | |||
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"“It was a mutual gesture, totally spontaneous due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” Hermoso told EFE, via Cadena SER.This is the quote that Hermosa shared
Not her words. It say and i quote" Hermosa told the EFE" I watched the kiss they were both happy they cuddled they kissed he patted her on the back all in the space of 3 seconds its been blown out of all proportion as usual, i mean assault cmon, he's lost his job because of the media and many of you have jumped on the bandwagon, its Spain where guys kiss guys and that sort of affection is normal this is all the media and you've been sucked into it "Alert Spain. A bloke on a swinger website thinks it was all fine. Just calm down, woman. That about right? | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also .
Well, to me it looks like she consented to a hug. What from her actions makes you think she consented to him grabbing her face and forcing a kiss on her lips?
I don't know how people can try to justify this. It's not OK to kiss someone randomly when they've shown absolutely zero interest in doing so.
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"“It was a mutual gesture, totally spontaneous due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” Hermoso told EFE, via Cadena SER.This is the quote that Hermosa shared
Not her words. It say and i quote" Hermosa told the EFE" I watched the kiss they were both happy they cuddled they kissed he patted her on the back all in the space of 3 seconds its been blown out of all proportion as usual, i mean assault cmon, he's lost his job because of the media and many of you have jumped on the bandwagon, its Spain where guys kiss guys and that sort of affection is normal this is all the media and you've been sucked into it
Alert Spain. A bloke on a swinger website thinks it was all fine. Just calm down, woman.
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"“It was a mutual gesture, totally spontaneous due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude,” Hermoso told EFE, via Cadena SER.This is the quote that Hermosa shared
Not her words. It say and i quote" Hermosa told the EFE" I watched the kiss they were both happy they cuddled they kissed he patted her on the back all in the space of 3 seconds its been blown out of all proportion as usual, i mean assault cmon, he's lost his job because of the media and many of you have jumped on the bandwagon, its Spain where guys kiss guys and that sort of affection is normal this is all the media and you've been sucked into it
Alert Spain. A bloke on a swinger website thinks it was all fine. Just calm down, woman.
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also .
Well, to me it looks like she consented to a hug. What from her actions makes you think she consented to him grabbing her face and forcing a kiss on her lips?
I don't know how people can try to justify this. It's not OK to kiss someone randomly when they've shown absolutely zero interest in doing so.
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also .
Well, to me it looks like she consented to a hug. What from her actions makes you think she consented to him grabbing her face and forcing a kiss on her lips?
I don't know how people can try to justify this. It's not OK to kiss someone randomly when they've shown absolutely zero interest in doing so.
so is consent verbal or natural, no words of consent were exchanged she looked happy in the moment even after the kiss "I dunno, that's up to her whether consent is verbal or not. But from what I could see, she went in for a hug and was happy to do so. But where did she show him that it was OK to grab her and kiss her and then slap her body as she walked away? Sometimes people look fine in uncomfortable situations, that doesn't mean they are happy about it. A man followed me for 45 minutes once trying to get me into his car. I politely smiled the whole time because I didn't know what else to do and I was terrified. The smile on my face doesn't mean I was enjoying it. | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also .
Well, to me it looks like she consented to a hug. What from her actions makes you think she consented to him grabbing her face and forcing a kiss on her lips?
I don't know how people can try to justify this. It's not OK to kiss someone randomly when they've shown absolutely zero interest in doing so.
so is consent verbal or natural, no words of consent were exchanged she looked happy in the moment even after the kiss
I dunno, that's up to her whether consent is verbal or not. But from what I could see, she went in for a hug and was happy to do so. But where did she show him that it was OK to grab her and kiss her and then slap her body as she walked away?
Sometimes people look fine in uncomfortable situations, that doesn't mean they are happy about it. A man followed me for 45 minutes once trying to get me into his car. I politely smiled the whole time because I didn't know what else to do and I was terrified. The smile on my face doesn't mean I was enjoying it. "I appreciate the example you gave for yourself that does sound scary but we are talking about a 3 second exchange by two people who love football in Spain where shows of affection like this take place she cuddled him and kissed him and you are saying in the space of that 3 seconds she consented to the cuddle but not the kiss? The statement she made that i quoted said she was ok with it, its all media hype as it always is thats why i have no time for the media anymore but you carry on with whatever this is but in my eyes its all blown out of all proportion and totally ruined the celebration of national football and winning a world cup | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
Did he force her to put her arms around him also .
Well, to me it looks like she consented to a hug. What from her actions makes you think she consented to him grabbing her face and forcing a kiss on her lips?
I don't know how people can try to justify this. It's not OK to kiss someone randomly when they've shown absolutely zero interest in doing so.
so is consent verbal or natural, no words of consent were exchanged she looked happy in the moment even after the kiss
I dunno, that's up to her whether consent is verbal or not. But from what I could see, she went in for a hug and was happy to do so. But where did she show him that it was OK to grab her and kiss her and then slap her body as she walked away?
Sometimes people look fine in uncomfortable situations, that doesn't mean they are happy about it. A man followed me for 45 minutes once trying to get me into his car. I politely smiled the whole time because I didn't know what else to do and I was terrified. The smile on my face doesn't mean I was enjoying it. "This is what women often feel compelled to do. Hide, smile, paper it over. When I was SAd I did all of this. | |||
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"It is very easy to look up Jenni Hermoso's full statement. It's very long so I won't quote it here. It was released by FUTPRO the players Union. "In reference to what happened today. While it is true that I do not want to interfere with the multiple legal processes underway, I feel obliged to denounce that the words of Mr. Luis Rubiales explaining the unfortunate incident are categorically false and part of the manipulative culture that he has generated. I clarify that at no time did the conversation to which Mr. Luis Rubiales referred take place and that, far from it, his kiss was consensual. In the same way, I would like to reiterate, as I did at the time, that this was not to my liking."" https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full (This is a translation) | |||
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"It is very easy to look up Jenni Hermoso's full statement. It's very long so I won't quote it here. It was released by FUTPRO the players Union. "In reference to what happened today. While it is true that I do not want to interfere with the multiple legal processes underway, I feel obliged to denounce that the words of Mr. Luis Rubiales explaining the unfortunate incident are categorically false and part of the manipulative culture that he has generated. I clarify that at no time did the conversation to which Mr. Luis Rubiales referred take place and that, far from it, his kiss was consensual. In the same way, I would like to reiterate, as I did at the time, that this was not to my liking."" You are reading press releases given by the media in Spanish translated into English, i read a similar press release whos right? You choose to read the one that says she doesn't consent it took 3 seconds in celebration of their victory for all this negativity to unfold, 3 seconds of which it all looked happy and consensual a victory celebration 3 seconds | |||
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"It is very easy to look up Jenni Hermoso's full statement. It's very long so I won't quote it here. It was released by FUTPRO the players Union. "In reference to what happened today. While it is true that I do not want to interfere with the multiple legal processes underway, I feel obliged to denounce that the words of Mr. Luis Rubiales explaining the unfortunate incident are categorically false and part of the manipulative culture that he has generated. I clarify that at no time did the conversation to which Mr. Luis Rubiales referred take place and that, far from it, his kiss was consensual. In the same way, I would like to reiterate, as I did at the time, that this was not to my liking." https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full (This is a translation)" That’s all I needed to see. The guy’s a prick | |||
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"Yeah women. Stop being negative. Just smile and accept the violation forced on you." Yeah. Bloody women always making a fuss!! | |||
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"It is very easy to look up Jenni Hermoso's full statement. It's very long so I won't quote it here. It was released by FUTPRO the players Union. "In reference to what happened today. While it is true that I do not want to interfere with the multiple legal processes underway, I feel obliged to denounce that the words of Mr. Luis Rubiales explaining the unfortunate incident are categorically false and part of the manipulative culture that he has generated. I clarify that at no time did the conversation to which Mr. Luis Rubiales referred take place and that, far from it, his kiss was consensual. In the same way, I would like to reiterate, as I did at the time, that this was not to my liking." https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full (This is a translation) That’s all I needed to see. The guy’s a prick "It would seem so | |||
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"Yeah women. Stop being negative. Just smile and accept the violation forced on you." Don't forget to say thank you like a good girl after.
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"Yeah women. Stop being negative. Just smile and accept the violation forced on you. Don't forget to say thank you like a good girl after.
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"I saw a video of him , hands round a player , on her shoulders too ... as she boarded a coach. It looked to me as if she was very uncomfortable and just not 'rocking the boat' ... The men here who have sad that Hermoso smiled and laughed are pretty scary. They must think when women in pubs and clubs smile at their comments that they like it. They dont see that the women are trying to get out of a vile situation unharmed." All women, in every situation? | |||
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"I saw a video of him , hands round a player , on her shoulders too ... as she boarded a coach. It looked to me as if she was very uncomfortable and just not 'rocking the boat' ... The men here who have sad that Hermoso smiled and laughed are pretty scary. They must think when women in pubs and clubs smile at their comments that they like it. They dont see that the women are trying to get out of a vile situation unharmed.All women, in every situation? "No Macky .....not when it's welcomed and reciprocated or even instigated by women. It's the unwanted stuff that causes problems | |||
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"I saw a video of him , hands round a player , on her shoulders too ... as she boarded a coach. It looked to me as if she was very uncomfortable and just not 'rocking the boat' ... The men here who have sad that Hermoso smiled and laughed are pretty scary. They must think when women in pubs and clubs smile at their comments that they like it. They dont see that the women are trying to get out of a vile situation unharmed.All women, in every situation?
No Macky .....not when it's welcomed and reciprocated or even instigated by women.
It's the unwanted stuff that causes problems"And I'm trying to be on the fence here, have you looked at the 3 second vid have you read the conflicting media reports translated into English? The media lie or misalign the truth don't forget. Its in Spain where shows of affection in 3 second intervals in celebration of an historic world cup win involve kissing and hugging cmon put some sense to this granny 'assault' really, one report says she was ok with it and another doesn't, which is fairly typical of the press and the media | |||
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"I haven't commented on how I feel Macky because I am not 100% on either side and think this could have been resolved far more amicably. Yes I have seen the vids and read all reports that there are and seen shots of him otherwise engaged in being 'handy' with women. ( a woman ) " Well thats fair comment but I'm not talking about other incidents just the 3 second vid with the cuddle and the kiss, it also says that they Hermoso and Rubiales had a good relationship | |||
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"I saw a video of him , hands round a player , on her shoulders too ... as she boarded a coach. It looked to me as if she was very uncomfortable and just not 'rocking the boat' ... The men here who have sad that Hermoso smiled and laughed are pretty scary. They must think when women in pubs and clubs smile at their comments that they like it. They dont see that the women are trying to get out of a vile situation unharmed." It is pretty scary and sad to read the comments from men on threads like this | |||
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"I saw a video of him , hands round a player , on her shoulders too ... as she boarded a coach. It looked to me as if she was very uncomfortable and just not 'rocking the boat' ... The men here who have sad that Hermoso smiled and laughed are pretty scary. They must think when women in pubs and clubs smile at their comments that they like it. They dont see that the women are trying to get out of a vile situation unharmed." | |||
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"I saw a video of him , hands round a player , on her shoulders too ... as she boarded a coach. It looked to me as if she was very uncomfortable and just not 'rocking the boat' ... The men here who have sad that Hermoso smiled and laughed are pretty scary. They must think when women in pubs and clubs smile at their comments that they like it. They dont see that the women are trying to get out of a vile situation unharmed. It is pretty scary and sad to read the comments from men on threads like this" I'm sad that I'm not in the least bit surprised by the reaction of some men.. | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic " So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it. | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it." He held her head so when he kissed her on the lips she couldn't move away - it's not consensual. In what universe is that a standard celebration? | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it. He held her head so when he kissed her on the lips she couldn't move away - it's not consensual. In what universe is that a standard celebration? " Women! If a man says it's not sexual he can do whatever the fuck he wants to you! Your consent is irrelevant!! | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it. He held her head so when he kissed her on the lips she couldn't move away - it's not consensual. In what universe is that a standard celebration? Women! If a man says it's not sexual he can do whatever the fuck he wants to you! Your consent is irrelevant!!" Male privilege totally rules! | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it. He held her head so when he kissed her on the lips she couldn't move away - it's not consensual. In what universe is that a standard celebration? Women! If a man says it's not sexual he can do whatever the fuck he wants to you! Your consent is irrelevant!! Male privilege totally rules!" Its a 3 second celebration of winning the world cup they both were happy she was cuddling him and him her end of | |||
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it. He held her head so when he kissed her on the lips she couldn't move away - it's not consensual. In what universe is that a standard celebration? Women! If a man says it's not sexual he can do whatever the fuck he wants to you! Your consent is irrelevant!! Male privilege totally rules!Its a 3 second celebration of winning the world cup they both were happy she was cuddling him and him her end of "She was cuddling him when he kissed her. | |||
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"I have a question.. I hugged a colleague goodbye yesterday. He's flying quite far, and most likely for good (SE Asia). I'm sure it looked exactly like you would imagine it. I'm not sure how tactile he is, but of course he felt some emotion too and took it in good grace. So if he was a women, would he have been "cuddling" me?
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"Very very pathetic a dcsums how stupid this world is. He shouldn't have done it, he apologized, end of the matter. He held her head, he is also abusing his position and therefore he is pathetic So what if he held her head? It’s very clearly non-sexual and is a standard form celebration that we’ve all seen a million times before in football. At most he should be told to be more aware that not everyone likes to celebrate like that. He should say sorry for making her uncomfortable. That’s it. He held her head so when he kissed her on the lips she couldn't move away - it's not consensual. In what universe is that a standard celebration? Women! If a man says it's not sexual he can do whatever the fuck he wants to you! Your consent is irrelevant!! Male privilege totally rules!Its a 3 second celebration of winning the world cup they both were happy she was cuddling him and him her end of
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"Heat of the moment action" Ah well. That's ok then. | |||
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"Did she complain about it. No but the Spanish press did "She issued a long statement complaining about his behaviour and that of the RFEF. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full | |||
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"Did she complain about it. No but the Spanish press did
She issued a long statement complaining about his behaviour and that of the RFEF.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full
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"FFS, Rubiales pretended Hermoso was lying and that she was happy with him doing it. That is slander. And he has a record of bad behaviour! And he pulled his crotch in the game! He had to go! It's utterly gross that FIFA waited so long for him to do the right thing, when he was clearly a political coward pretending that the woman/women are a) untrustworthy and b) woke etc etc. I hate this climate of far right cowardice. What is wrong with people! pt" Hi. Totally agree with you. Also seen reports his mate VILDA gropping breasts last Sunday too. He needs to be struck off. | |||
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"Did she complain about it. No but the Spanish press did
She issued a long statement complaining about his behaviour and that of the RFEF.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full
was that after the other statement where she said she had a good relationship with him "Yes. And on another thread I pointed to evidence that she didn't write that first "statement". | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips?
You know most of us have , or have had mothers in law right?
God I had a great auntie and uncle who did this! We used to try and give our cheek but they’d grab your cheeks and kiss you on the lips. Was horrid! "Hi. My Grandad did the same it was like you said, horrible. | |||
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"If a guy on a social kissed me without consent, grabbed my head, landed a kiss on my lips. My knee action..I would report him. Same as any form of touching without consent it is assault. If I said yes, different matter but what if I did not? In marriage if you do not consent it is assault or worse. You need to always ask "Hardly the same situation, this reputedly is a sex site where the 'sex' part of it comes into play, that was a 3 second vid of the Spanish celebrations because they won a world cup football match 3 seconds of celebration watch it, she didn't look unhappy to me, they previously had gotten on well, she said it i posted the quote | |||
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"Did she complain about it. No but the Spanish press did
She issued a long statement complaining about his behaviour and that of the RFEF.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full
was that after the other statement where she said she had a good relationship with him
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"If a guy on a social kissed me without consent, grabbed my head, landed a kiss on my lips. My knee action..I would report him. Same as any form of touching without consent it is assault. If I said yes, different matter but what if I did not? In marriage if you do not consent it is assault or worse. You need to always ask Hardly the same situation, this reputedly is a sex site where the 'sex' part of it comes into play, that was a 3 second vid of the Spanish celebrations because they won a world cup football match 3 seconds of celebration watch it, she didn't look unhappy to me, they previously had gotten on well, she said it i posted the quote "Jenni Hermoso's statement: "The situation left me in shock because of the context of the celebration, and with the time passed, and those initial feelings being able to sink, I feel the need to denounce this as I feel that no one, in no work space, sporting or social, should be a victim to this time of unconsensual behaviour. I felt vulnerable and a victim of aggression, an impulsive act, sexist, out of place and without any type of consent from my part. In short, I wasn’t respected." https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full | |||
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"Did she complain about it. No but the Spanish press did
She issued a long statement complaining about his behaviour and that of the RFEF.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/25/i-felt-the-victim-of-aggression-a-sexist-act-jenni-hermosos-statement-in-full
was that after the other statement where she said she had a good relationship with him
Yes. And on another thread I pointed to evidence that she didn't write that first "statement". Evidence how is your quote more evidence than mine and thats my point the press the media manipulate the situation, they lie "Maybe just because I haven't spent the entire day denying that a man did something non-consensually to a woman. And I don't end every comment with a daft emoji. | |||
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"Surely this was a heat of the moment thing and also maybe he's like this. You know a passionate man. Slow news week?" If the player was your mum or your sister, how would you view his behaviour then? If she felt violated and upset, would you still call him a passionate man? | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that" Look at it from the woman's perspective. Face held so he could forcefully kiss her on the lips. It was very wrong. He should resign. | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that Look at it from the woman's perspective. Face held so he could forcefully kiss her on the lips. It was very wrong. He should resign. " People do this all the time on a night out. I'm not saying it won't sometimes result in a slap but it's just some how men and lets be honest women are. Again, put into context what this man was likely experiencing emotionally. Most people can't even imagine. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more too it than the incident on the night | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that Look at it from the woman's perspective. Face held so he could forcefully kiss her on the lips. It was very wrong. He should resign. People do this all the time on a night out. I'm not saying it won't sometimes result in a slap but it's just some how men and lets be honest women are. Again, put into context what this man was likely experiencing emotionally. Most people can't even imagine. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more too it than the incident on the night" It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. " I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. " All french men who greet a woman with a double kiss? Sexual predators and you don't GAF about their culture? Celebrated? I'm not talking about birthdays, weddings etc. I'm talking competitions of this nature. Let alone the pinnacle of female football. He might be a wanker I don't know him or take any notice of football. I'm simply breaking down what I saw from a clip. Why is everyone trying to "get" people these days, especially men. No wonder mental health is a problem in this country | |||
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"Luis has been suspended, I bet he regrets it now Despite the Spanish FA calling Jenni a lying cow They’re trying to suggest that it all is Jenni’s fault Despite it being clear that she suffered sexual assault It really is a shame, that Luis fucked it up As nobody is actually talking about winning the fucking Cup" Yes it was definitely an assault. Bang him up. | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. All french men who greet a woman with a double kiss? Sexual predators and you don't GAF about their culture? Celebrated? I'm not talking about birthdays, weddings etc. I'm talking competitions of this nature. Let alone the pinnacle of female football. He might be a wanker I don't know him or take any notice of football. I'm simply breaking down what I saw from a clip. Why is everyone trying to "get" people these days, especially men. No wonder mental health is a problem in this country" A double kiss on the CHEEK. Did you just call all French men sexual predators? I didn't. And we are talking about Spain. He did something wrong. He should be accountable. | |||
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"Men always find women speaking about sexual harassment 'pathetic' I wonder how the men of the forums would react if a man grabbed their faces and forced them to kiss them in the lips? "If i had just won the world cup... I can guarantee... I would not have made a song and dance about it. If theres other stuff going on... Genuine assault, then sure... Investigate and consequence. But the kiss... Think its a trivial matter being used to harm others. | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. All french men who greet a woman with a double kiss? Sexual predators and you don't GAF about their culture? Celebrated? I'm not talking about birthdays, weddings etc. I'm talking competitions of this nature. Let alone the pinnacle of female football. He might be a wanker I don't know him or take any notice of football. I'm simply breaking down what I saw from a clip. Why is everyone trying to "get" people these days, especially men. No wonder mental health is a problem in this country A double kiss on the CHEEK. Did you just call all French men sexual predators? I didn't. And we are talking about Spain. He did something wrong. He should be accountable. " I was making a point about cultures. British men are very different to those on the continent. He did something you don't like and you think that he deserves his life to be potentially ruined. A better approach could be a warning from the girls involved not to that again as it was not appreciated. I don't think it is going to mentally scar the ladies | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that" So if I were “high” and my adrenaline was pumping, would it be ok to do this to your wife/sister/mum? | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that So if I were “high” and my adrenaline was pumping, would it be ok to do this to your wife/sister/mum?" I believe I've answered that recently. | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that So if I were “high” and my adrenaline was pumping, would it be ok to do this to your wife/sister/mum?" To save your fingers... I think if they had just won the world cup and the coach was not only high on emotion and proud. I don't think i'd object. If he started having a full on snog I'd object if it was my other half. My sister or mam? Maybe they were into it | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. All french men who greet a woman with a double kiss? Sexual predators and you don't GAF about their culture? Celebrated? I'm not talking about birthdays, weddings etc. I'm talking competitions of this nature. Let alone the pinnacle of female football. He might be a wanker I don't know him or take any notice of football. I'm simply breaking down what I saw from a clip. Why is everyone trying to "get" people these days, especially men. No wonder mental health is a problem in this country A double kiss on the CHEEK. Did you just call all French men sexual predators? I didn't. And we are talking about Spain. He did something wrong. He should be accountable. I was making a point about cultures. British men are very different to those on the continent. He did something you don't like and you think that he deserves his life to be potentially ruined. A better approach could be a warning from the girls involved not to that again as it was not appreciated. I don't think it is going to mentally scar the ladies" It doesn't matter at all whether I like it or not. The woman he did it to found it horrible. Other people who think it's horrible: The entire Spanish women's team resigned FIFA (suspended him) The Lionesses Xavi Hernadez, Barcelona coach Real Betis players Isco & Iglesias Athletico Madrid and Milan teams And players and teams from around the world Do you get it now? | |||
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"Have you ever entered a sport competition where your adrenalin is off the charts and your "high." This combined with I imagine affection and being proud of his team I don't think I'd call for him to be sacked off that So if I were “high” and my adrenaline was pumping, would it be ok to do this to your wife/sister/mum? To save your fingers... I think if they had just won the world cup and the coach was not only high on emotion and proud. I don't think i'd object. If he started having a full on snog I'd object if it was my other half. My sister or mam? Maybe they were into it " I don’t think any of that is relevant, he clearly lacks self control. Any person should control their emotions, it’s not acceptable to force your emotions on another person, unless of course they consent. | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. All french men who greet a woman with a double kiss? Sexual predators and you don't GAF about their culture? Celebrated? I'm not talking about birthdays, weddings etc. I'm talking competitions of this nature. Let alone the pinnacle of female football. He might be a wanker I don't know him or take any notice of football. I'm simply breaking down what I saw from a clip. Why is everyone trying to "get" people these days, especially men. No wonder mental health is a problem in this country A double kiss on the CHEEK. Did you just call all French men sexual predators? I didn't. And we are talking about Spain. He did something wrong. He should be accountable. I was making a point about cultures. British men are very different to those on the continent. He did something you don't like and you think that he deserves his life to be potentially ruined. A better approach could be a warning from the girls involved not to that again as it was not appreciated. I don't think it is going to mentally scar the ladies It doesn't matter at all whether I like it or not. The woman he did it to found it horrible. Other people who think it's horrible: The entire Spanish women's team resigned FIFA (suspended him) The Lionesses Xavi Hernadez, Barcelona coach Real Betis players Isco & Iglesias Athletico Madrid and Milan teams And players and teams from around the world Do you get it now? " | |||
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"It's assault in this country. Non-consensual touching including kissing is assault. I don't GAF what this man was experiencing emotionally. It's not that straight forward though is it. You'd have most of the population locked up for getting caught up in a celebratory moment. None of them gave him a slap or said (I'm guessing) "don't do that" If you expect me to report every man or woman who have spontaneously kissed myself or someone I know... Sorry I'm not doing it. I've celebrated with men on several occasions. Given them hugs. Not once has a man (I'm not involved with) kissed me full on the lips. And to do it to a woman who is in your employ and in view of the whole fucking world? He's a disrespectful wanker. And you're excusing it. All french men who greet a woman with a double kiss? Sexual predators and you don't GAF about their culture? Celebrated? I'm not talking about birthdays, weddings etc. I'm talking competitions of this nature. Let alone the pinnacle of female football. He might be a wanker I don't know him or take any notice of football. I'm simply breaking down what I saw from a clip. Why is everyone trying to "get" people these days, especially men. No wonder mental health is a problem in this country A double kiss on the CHEEK. Did you just call all French men sexual predators? I didn't. And we are talking about Spain. He did something wrong. He should be accountable. I was making a point about cultures. British men are very different to those on the continent. He did something you don't like and you think that he deserves his life to be potentially ruined. A better approach could be a warning from the girls involved not to that again as it was not appreciated. I don't think it is going to mentally scar the ladies" British men are different to Spanish men, of course. So I could *just* about understand the 'different culture' if they were indeed from different cultures. But she, a Spanish woman, has said she didn't like it and it was inappropriate, and she's probably a better judge on Spanish culture than you or me (with my apologies if you're Spanish). We obviously have no idea what the impact on her is - I agree it may not have a lasting impact, but is that the arbiter of appropriate behaviour now? Not serious unless permanent mental scars are involved? | |||
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" So now he knows not to do it with these women. I'm sure there are many fans he can celebrate with though who aren't me too's If were simply talking about the incident I saw I can see why most people "in real life" are going to be defending him. Celebrities/sports people won't if there scared of being cancelled. Again, potentially destroying their lives." JFC | |||
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"It doesn't matter at all whether I like it or not. The woman he did it to found it horrible. Other people who think it's horrible: The entire Spanish women's team resigned FIFA (suspended him) The Lionesses Xavi Hernadez, Barcelona coach Real Betis players Isco & Iglesias Athletico Madrid and Milan teams And players and teams from around the world Do you get it now? So now he knows not to do it with these women. I'm sure there are many fans he can celebrate with though who aren't me too's If were simply talking about the incident I saw I can see why most people "in real life" are going to be defending him. Celebrities/sports people won't if there scared of being cancelled. Again, potentially destroying their lives." the +quote button allows you to quote a post | |||
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"It doesn't matter at all whether I like it or not. The woman he did it to found it horrible. Other people who think it's horrible: The entire Spanish women's team resigned FIFA (suspended him) The Lionesses Xavi Hernadez, Barcelona coach Real Betis players Isco & Iglesias Athletico Madrid and Milan teams And players and teams from around the world Do you get it now? So now he knows not to do it with these women. I'm sure there are many fans he can celebrate with though who aren't me too's If were simply talking about the incident I saw I can see why most people "in real life" are going to be defending him. Celebrities/sports people won't if there scared of being cancelled. Again, potentially destroying their lives. the +quote button allows you to quote a post" I know sometimes it becomes a book | |||
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"British men are different to Spanish men, of course. So I could *just* about understand the 'different culture' if they were indeed from different cultures. But she, a Spanish woman, has said she didn't like it and it was inappropriate, and she's probably a better judge on Spanish culture than you or me (with my apologies if you're Spanish). We obviously have no idea what the impact on her is - I agree it may not have a lasting impact, but is that the arbiter of appropriate behaviour now? Not serious unless permanent mental scars are involved? She said she didn't like it after the event. I think it should be a private conversation/warning first. If he does it again he'd be looking for trouble. I also think if she got mental scars from that she'd end up committing suicide in the average day a person lives. " Perhaps she was stunned in the moment and didn't know how to react? Perhaps she didn't want to cause a scene on the world stage? Perhaps it took time to process? I don't know. And neither do you. I think that's the point - we have to take her at her word, and not dismiss her as a "Me Too" (which I thought was pretty crass by the way). Like I say, I doubt she'll have 'permanent scars', but my point was that should not be the measure. (Incidentally, I expect she's mentally tougher than most, as a lot of elite athletes tend to be to teach the top). He could have saved a lot of fuss if he'd accepted he was wrong and apologised rather than doubling down. | |||
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