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"During celebrations, before the presentation, he was filmed grabbing his crotch whilst stood near Spain’s queen and her daughter. There’s been a lot of emphasis in the media about her being underage too. He appears to have doubled down in the last 24 hours insisting he won’t be resigning, but I believe legal action may be taken against him, according to reports this evening. " Michael Jackson did that a lot | |||
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"He claims the kiss was consentual" And she says the conversation he quoted never happened and was no way consensual | |||
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"He claims the kiss was consentual" Luis says he had consent when he kissed But the player herself has this notion dismissed “I really didn’t like it” is what she has said Let’s face it Luis, your career looks dead. You’ll have plenty of time to regret your sin With your reputation firmly lodged in the bin. | |||
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"está en todas las noticias" Muy bien, Jennie. Muy Bien. | |||
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"So now the whole team refuse to play ? NEXT !" solidarity | |||
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"They should hand the world cup to the England team as a protest. "I don't think the women should lose something they won fairly because of the alleged actions of one man | |||
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"They should hand the world cup to the England team as a protest.
I don't think the women should lose something they won fairly because of the alleged actions of one man"Tom is no fan of the Spanish but they won fair and square.. Let them have their day on the sun and let's stay out of Spanish affairs They have that hot latin temperment and should not be messed with | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. " He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked. | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked." Come now KC you're not one of those false feminists are you?  | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. " He's been told it's unacceptable, there's nothing in his behaviour so far to indicate that he won't do it again | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked." To play devil's advocate in this situation ( I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT) Would anyone have batted an eyelid if he did this to a male player? I mean just see how excited some fans, pundits, player's, managers get when they win a game or tournament. Some completely loose their shit and possibly for a brief moment he got carried away in the moment?? I'm not sure about the crotch grabbing tho. Also don't forget that this is a very tactile culture where kissing is an intrinsic part of greetings and the like. Like I said I'm not saying that it is okay, just giving a different point of view. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether " What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked. To play devil's advocate in this situation ( I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT) Would anyone have batted an eyelid if he did this to a male player? I mean just see how excited some fans, pundits, player's, managers get when they win a game or tournament. Some completely loose their shit and possibly for a brief moment he got carried away in the moment?? I'm not sure about the crotch grabbing tho. Also don't forget that this is a very tactile culture where kissing is an intrinsic part of greetings and the like. Like I said I'm not saying that it is okay, just giving a different point of view. " Spanish culture does not include grabbing faces and snogging them without consent. It does not include picking people up and carrying them round like a sack of potatoes. It does not include making lewd gestures. Source: I've spent vast swathes of my life in Spain and with Spanish people. U have lots of Spanish friends and they are all united in finding his behaviour abhorrent. The Spanish FA have a long history of machismo. | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked. To play devil's advocate in this situation ( I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT) Would anyone have batted an eyelid if he did this to a male player? I mean just see how excited some fans, pundits, player's, managers get when they win a game or tournament. Some completely loose their shit and possibly for a brief moment he got carried away in the moment?? I'm not sure about the crotch grabbing tho. Also don't forget that this is a very tactile culture where kissing is an intrinsic part of greetings and the like. Like I said I'm not saying that it is okay, just giving a different point of view. Spanish culture does not include grabbing faces and snogging them without consent. It does not include picking people up and carrying them round like a sack of potatoes. It does not include making lewd gestures. Source: I've spent vast swathes of my life in Spain and with Spanish people. U have lots of Spanish friends and they are all united in finding his behaviour abhorrent. The Spanish FA have a long history of machismo." Fair points | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it??" He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. " Sounds a bit "Trump like" | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked. To play devil's advocate in this situation ( I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT) Would anyone have batted an eyelid if he did this to a male player? I mean just see how excited some fans, pundits, player's, managers get when they win a game or tournament. Some completely loose their shit and possibly for a brief moment he got carried away in the moment?? I'm not sure about the crotch grabbing tho. Also don't forget that this is a very tactile culture where kissing is an intrinsic part of greetings and the like. Like I said I'm not saying that it is okay, just giving a different point of view. Spanish culture does not include grabbing faces and snogging them without consent. It does not include picking people up and carrying them round like a sack of potatoes. It does not include making lewd gestures. Source: I've spent vast swathes of my life in Spain and with Spanish people. U have lots of Spanish friends and they are all united in finding his behaviour abhorrent. The Spanish FA have a long history of machismo. Fair points "Then again with FIFA running things he'll probably get an extended contract, a bonus, a bung and a free voucher to the local knocking shop | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like"" The problem is that only two people know what was said. He's claiming he had consent she's saying he didn't. Neither of these people are going to come out of this unscathed. It looks as if the Spanish football authorities are considering legal action against Jenni Hermoso. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like" The problem is that only two people know what was said. He's claiming he had consent she's saying he didn't. Neither of these people are going to come out of this unscathed. It looks as if the Spanish football authorities are considering legal action against Jenni Hermoso. " How on earth in all the melee and excitement joy and celebration did he have the time and composure to ask for permission to kiss her on the mouth? | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. " I don't understand how he got consent there. If he did, it should have been in the video? | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like" The problem is that only two people know what was said. He's claiming he had consent she's saying he didn't. Neither of these people are going to come out of this unscathed. It looks as if the Spanish football authorities are considering legal action against Jenni Hermoso. How on earth in all the melee and excitement joy and celebration did he have the time and composure to ask for permission to kiss her on the mouth?" I don't know but he claims he asked "a kiss?" (Or similar phrasing) and she agreed. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like" The problem is that only two people know what was said. He's claiming he had consent she's saying he didn't. Neither of these people are going to come out of this unscathed. It looks as if the Spanish football authorities are considering legal action against Jenni Hermoso. How on earth in all the melee and excitement joy and celebration did he have the time and composure to ask for permission to kiss her on the mouth? I don't know but he claims he asked "a kiss?" (Or similar phrasing) and she agreed. " Maybe she thought he was going to kiss her cheeks if he did ask? | |||
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked. To play devil's advocate in this situation ( I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT) Would anyone have batted an eyelid if he did this to a male player? I mean just see how excited some fans, pundits, player's, managers get when they win a game or tournament. Some completely loose their shit and possibly for a brief moment he got carried away in the moment?? I'm not sure about the crotch grabbing tho. Also don't forget that this is a very tactile culture where kissing is an intrinsic part of greetings and the like. Like I said I'm not saying that it is okay, just giving a different point of view. Spanish culture does not include grabbing faces and snogging them without consent. It does not include picking people up and carrying them round like a sack of potatoes. It does not include making lewd gestures. Source: I've spent vast swathes of my life in Spain and with Spanish people. U have lots of Spanish friends and they are all united in finding his behaviour abhorrent. The Spanish FA have a long history of machismo. Fair points
Then again with FIFA running things he'll probably get an extended contract, a bonus, a bung and a free voucher to the local knocking shop"Yup. With Infantino's signed pic as a bonus gift. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like" The problem is that only two people know what was said. He's claiming he had consent she's saying he didn't. Neither of these people are going to come out of this unscathed. It looks as if the Spanish football authorities are considering legal action against Jenni Hermoso. How on earth in all the melee and excitement joy and celebration did he have the time and composure to ask for permission to kiss her on the mouth? I don't know but he claims he asked "a kiss?" (Or similar phrasing) and she agreed. Maybe she thought he was going to kiss her cheeks if he did ask? " The "Spanish" peck on the cheek would have been acceptable, assuming his hands stayed where they should. But that's not what he did. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like" The problem is that only two people know what was said. He's claiming he had consent she's saying he didn't. Neither of these people are going to come out of this unscathed. It looks as if the Spanish football authorities are considering legal action against Jenni Hermoso. How on earth in all the melee and excitement joy and celebration did he have the time and composure to ask for permission to kiss her on the mouth? I don't know but he claims he asked "a kiss?" (Or similar phrasing) and she agreed. Maybe she thought he was going to kiss her cheeks if he did ask? " This is the problem isn't it, especially when things like this are played out in public and the media. She will be personally destroyed by this and probably so will he. Not one of us knows the actusy phrasing, whether she heard him, if he said it, what she thought he meant... The video shows a man quite forcefully holding a woman's head in both hands and kissing her on the lips. | |||
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"I mean he wouldn’t have done that to Carlos Puyol. He was out of order " This. No further questions. Mrs TMN x | |||
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"Anyone defending Rubiales would do well to go and research women's rights in recent Spanish history. During the Civil War of 1936-1939, Franco's troops were invited to use r@pe as a tool of war against Republicans. The very essence of Franquismo (the form of fascism that governed Spain from 1939-1975) was anti women's rights. It was rooted in very traditional Catholic church attitudes and denied women full and equal participation in society. Women were to be wives and mothers only, they were not educated and did not participate in the formal workforce. Franquismo is still pervasive in Spanish society and some hanker after its full return (see the political party "Vox"). The fact that Spanish women won the football world cup in a macho and anti-female environment is astonishing and is a huge achievement for the team. It's now being trashed by men who can't control their urges and emotions and that's horrific. The achievement of the Spanish women is so great that I cannot be upset that England lost. " I love you, KC  | |||
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"There is a lot more to this than what meets the eye. Whilst he was wrong and should resign I also believe that the player involved has said things that will prove to be false and the Spanish authorities are calling her out over this. These things go both ways and I am glad to see someone standing up for the truth, rather than being to scared to say anything" What is the truth in this case? | |||
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"So now the whole team refuse to play ? NEXT !" You need to read the news more closely, Tom. There's far more than just the women's world cup team objecting. There's Spain's leadership, FIFA and other male and female players. | |||
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"No idea, that is why I am not judging but waiting for the official version.. too many people are too keen to judge something without knowing the full story... " This is true but I don't know how in earth anyone will get to the truth. | |||
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"The kiss. If... It was all spontaneous and in the joyful moment with no harmful intent, then I do have some sympathy for the guy. " If he can't control himself on the world stage then perhaps his spontaneity makes him unfit to head-up the FA. | |||
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"Fifa and the spanish authorities are holding an inquest you listen to both sides, call witnesses and look at any evidence.. " I know how it works but the bottom line is his word against hers. | |||
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"The kiss. If... It was all spontaneous and in the joyful moment with no harmful intent, then I do have some sympathy for the guy. If he can't control himself on the world stage then perhaps his spontaneity makes him unfit to head-up the FA." Further allegations are that she tried to pick him up which she denies. The Spanish says it is on film.. should she be sacked? | |||
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"The kiss. If... It was all spontaneous and in the joyful moment with no harmful intent, then I do have some sympathy for the guy. If he can't control himself on the world stage then perhaps his spontaneity makes him unfit to head-up the FA. Further allegations are that she tried to pick him up which she denies. The Spanish says it is on film.. should she be sacked?" As in lift him? | |||
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"Someone says they're waiting for the official version of what happened, what was said. Those who have bothered to look can see everything in its own unedited glory. What's to debate? Frank" Well done Frank.. guilty without the full details.. that is why the Spanish authorities have said they will sue her... for not telling the truth. You obviously know more than the rest of us and believe the one clip you see is the whole story. | |||
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"Further allegations are that she tried to pick him up which she denies. The Spanish says it is on film.. should she be sacked?" No. | |||
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" He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media." Juan did this happen? " He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to." Has anyone checked if he's correctly trained for Manuel handling work? | |||
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"Do a picture search on google and you will see picture after picture of footballers (male and female) kissing each other when they are elated. I doubt if all of them consented. The trouble with the world is that people want to find something to take issue with and complain.. not just over this but anything. I do not know the full circumstances and if and when they are known a judgement should be made then, not with a knee jerk reaction now. Is it wrong to kiss another without their consent.. yes of course it is if there is an obvious objection. I will wait to see what happens and in the meantime he could be suspended pending that investigation. If he or she is lying then that could be serious as well and action should be taken. I will leave it there" | |||
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"Someone says they're waiting for the official version of what happened, what was said. Those who have bothered to look can see everything in its own unedited glory. What's to debate? Frank Well done Frank.. guilty without the full details.. that is why the Spanish authorities have said they will sue her... for not telling the truth. You obviously know more than the rest of us and believe the one clip you see is the whole story." The truth about what? The whole point is she was kissed on the lips without invitation. To your knowledge has the video been doctored in any way? If you think it hasn't then do you think the conversation he says they had actually happened? Can you see them having it? Can you see her attempting to lift him up? Has anyone said there's another clip from another angle refuting her version (and what can be plainly seen) of what happened? Over to you, sir. Frank | |||
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"Do a picture search on google and you will see picture after picture of footballers (male and female) kissing each other when they are elated. I doubt if all of them consented. The trouble with the world is that people want to find something to take issue with and complain.. not just over this but anything. I do not know the full circumstances and if and when they are known a judgement should be made then, not with a knee jerk reaction now. Is it wrong to kiss another without their consent.. yes of course it is if there is an obvious objection. I will wait to see what happens and in the meantime he could be suspended pending that investigation. If he or she is lying then that could be serious as well and action should be taken. I will leave it there" Look, I'm not disagreeing with you with people always looking for something to complain about, but, you only see same sex footballers kissing each other and then it's a team mate, someone they know. Frank | |||
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" He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. Juan did this happen? He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. Has anyone checked if he's correctly trained for Manuel handling work?" It's really not funny. | |||
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"Latest reports suggest Spanish FA are going to take legal action against the victim, they claim they have clear evidence she is lying. Sounds straight out of the Donald Trump playbook to me. His position is untenable, just resign already " She's a national hero and her dad just died. It's an arsehole move, so yeah, very Trumpian. | |||
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"Do a picture search on google and you will see picture after picture of footballers (male and female) kissing each other when they are elated. I doubt if all of them consented. The trouble with the world is that people want to find something to take issue with and complain.. not just over this but anything. I do not know the full circumstances and if and when they are known a judgement should be made then, not with a knee jerk reaction now. Is it wrong to kiss another without their consent.. yes of course it is if there is an obvious objection. I will wait to see what happens and in the meantime he could be suspended pending that investigation. If he or she is lying then that could be serious as well and action should be taken. I will leave it there" | |||
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"He’s an awful man How is this happening??? And the Spanish FA are threatening legal action on HER saying she’s lying!!! Wow And this is hubby writing " It could be because of the machismo culture. | |||
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"When you look at the video, it looks like she didnt want it as she tried to pull away as he took both hands on her head to lean in, there should be some kind of investigation into it. I agree that it does make him look unfit for the position, a kiss on the cheek is ok, but not on the mouth.on the world stage." According to the news, he is now suspended as well | |||
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"Latest reports suggest Spanish FA are going to take legal action against the victim, they claim they have clear evidence she is lying. Sounds straight out of the Donald Trump playbook to me. His position is untenable, just resign already She's a national hero and her dad just died. It's an arsehole move, so yeah, very Trumpian." Incorrect. It was another players father who’d oases away prior to the game. Olga Carmona. | |||
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"Does anyone else think he was on something???" Yes, a complete high at his country winning the world cup | |||
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"Incorrect. It was another players father who’d oases away prior to the game. Olga Carmona. " Thanks for the correction. | |||
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" He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. Juan did this happen? He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. Has anyone checked if he's correctly trained for Manuel handling work?" Too be fair velvety..very witty | |||
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"Reports that the Spanish Ladies football world cup winning team are on strike after the Spanish football chief kissed a player on the lips at the medal ceremony. They want him sacked. There is more to this than meets the eye. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news" they want a woman in the top spot maybe Billy Jean King is free  | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. " Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. " yes lets ban the Spanish team from the event in future | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. yes lets ban the Spanish team from the event in future "Is there something in the water in Torquay? | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. yes lets ban the Spanish team from the event in future
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. yes lets ban the Spanish team from the event in future
Is there something in the water in Torquay? yes
Maybe take less of it then. "ok | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. " I read about Iglesias. Is he the Spanish equivalent of Lineker (who has also shown support)? I think it is important that men speak out (in Spain and here) because young boys and men are watching and in particular because some of the PL teams have refused to do the mandatory training on consent. Naturally ManU are one of the teams. | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. I read about Iglesias. Is he the Spanish equivalent of Lineker (who has also shown support)? I think it is important that men speak out (in Spain and here) because young boys and men are watching and in particular because some of the PL teams have refused to do the mandatory training on consent. Naturally ManU are one of the teams. " Iglesias is well known for his support of people of colour, of LGBTQ+ people, of women etx. yes. He's very outspoken. This news article is in Spanish but you can translate if you need to (obviously!) https://sevilla.abc.es/alfinaldelapalmera/noticias-betis/sevi-compromiso-social-borja-iglesias-202106071428_noticia.html Man U don't surprise me. They didn't have a women's team at all for a very long time and I question why they started one in 2018. The ladies play and train well away from the men, of course. | |||
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"I saw a lovely message from the Lionesses supporting the Spanish team. What would also help is if male players called out the behaviour of twatfeatures. Some male players and former players have. Borja Iglesias of Real Betis has said he won't play for the national team until this matter is resolved. Spanish national hero Iker Casillas has shown his support for the women and Barcelona's manager, Xavi Hernández has stated his support for the women too. I think it would help if more current players refused to play until the matter is resolved. I read about Iglesias. Is he the Spanish equivalent of Lineker (who has also shown support)? I think it is important that men speak out (in Spain and here) because young boys and men are watching and in particular because some of the PL teams have refused to do the mandatory training on consent. Naturally ManU are one of the teams. Iglesias is well known for his support of people of colour, of LGBTQ+ people, of women etx. yes. He's very outspoken. This news article is in Spanish but you can translate if you need to (obviously!) https://sevilla.abc.es/alfinaldelapalmera/noticias-betis/sevi-compromiso-social-borja-iglesias-202106071428_noticia.html Man U don't surprise me. They didn't have a women's team at all for a very long time and I question why they started one in 2018. The ladies play and train well away from the men, of course. " I hadn't heard of him before. And yea, I'd have to translate! 
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"If only any active Spanish male football players would support this. So much for male allyship. And no, washed up De Gea, Xavi and San Iker are not going to move the needle. Imagine if Gavi, Pedro, etc. refused to play for NT, Rubiales would be out in an instant "Several teams have been in support today - Cadiz and Real Sociedad I've seen mentioned. | |||
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"If only any active Spanish male football players would support this. So much for male allyship. And no, washed up De Gea, Xavi and San Iker are not going to move the needle. Imagine if Gavi, Pedro, etc. refused to play for NT, Rubiales would be out in an instant "Borja Iglesias is a current player openly in support. I haven't spoken to any Spanish friends today but my understanding is that Spanish media and the general person on the street, is broadly in support of the women. | |||
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"If only any active Spanish male football players would support this. So much for male allyship. And no, washed up De Gea, Xavi and San Iker are not going to move the needle. Imagine if Gavi, Pedro, etc. refused to play for NT, Rubiales would be out in an instant
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"This honestly just feels like a replay of the Greenwood threads last week. Same people arguing the same sides. "It’s nothing like Greenwood. Some just want to turn it into something like it. | |||
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"This honestly just feels like a replay of the Greenwood threads last week. Same people arguing the same sides.
It’s nothing like Greenwood. Some just want to turn it into something like it. "Oh, you can make a serious comment? Shocker. | |||
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"This honestly just feels like a replay of the Greenwood threads last week. Same people arguing the same sides.
It’s nothing like Greenwood. Some just want to turn it into something like it.
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"This honestly just feels like a replay of the Greenwood threads last week. Same people arguing the same sides.
It’s nothing like Greenwood. Some just want to turn it into something like it.
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"Hang on a minute, he kissed her on the lips, no tongue! Yes he was wrong, yes he should be told off and warned but sackable offence…. I’m not so sure. I say this because I’ve had aunties give me worse, and women at work too. It’s disgusting but would I want them sacked over it? No, they just need telling that it’s unacceptable and shouldn’t do it again. That’s off my chest now, going back to sleep. He grabbed her face and forced a kiss on her, in front of the world media. He grabbed his crotch and made a lewd gesture whilst in the VIP box, right next to the 16yo crown princess of Spain and her mother, Queen Letizia. He picked up Athena del Castillo and carried her around the pitch in a fireman's lift, which appeared spontaneous and not consented to. All this in front of the world. What the fuck does he do in private?! He should be sacked. To play devil's advocate in this situation ( I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT) Would anyone have batted an eyelid if he did this to a male player? I mean just see how excited some fans, pundits, player's, managers get when they win a game or tournament. Some completely loose their shit and possibly for a brief moment he got carried away in the moment?? I'm not sure about the crotch grabbing tho. Also don't forget that this is a very tactile culture where kissing is an intrinsic part of greetings and the like. Like I said I'm not saying that it is okay, just giving a different point of view. Spanish culture does not include grabbing faces and snogging them without consent. It does not include picking people up and carrying them round like a sack of potatoes. It does not include making lewd gestures. Source: I've spent vast swathes of my life in Spain and with Spanish people. U have lots of Spanish friends and they are all united in finding his behaviour abhorrent. The Spanish FA have a long history of machismo. Fair points
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"Do a picture search on google and you will see picture after picture of footballers (male and female) kissing each other when they are elated. I doubt if all of them consented. The trouble with the world is that people want to find something to take issue with and complain.. not just over this but anything. I do not know the full circumstances and if and when they are known a judgement should be made then, not with a knee jerk reaction now. Is it wrong to kiss another without their consent.. yes of course it is if there is an obvious objection. I will wait to see what happens and in the meantime he could be suspended pending that investigation. If he or she is lying then that could be serious as well and action should be taken. I will leave it there" There should be 'an obvious objection', otherwise assault is ok. | |||
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"I think possibly if his reaction to being called out had been different we might be having a different discussion altogether What was his reaction I haven't seen it?? He claimed that he had consent (a claim refuted by the woman he kissed) and called his critics 'false feminists' to a hearty round of applause from a mostly male audience. Sounds a bit "Trump like""
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"I almost feel this is a complete parody and exactly demonstrates inequality in the game and the world. We have this huge sporting event which showcases women's sport, entertainment, positive female role models, and them all showing their skill. It's super inspiring for women around the globe. When the winning team come to get their medals, a male grabs a woman's face and kisses her, then says 'she consented, it's fine, I did nothing wrong' despite the fact the woman did not say or indicate any consent. Everyone tells him what he did was wrong, but he refuses to acknowledge his blatant sexism and abuse of the power dynamic. Once she comes out to say 'I did not consent' , she is now getting sued by him. It's literally showing how sexist the world is right at the end of an event that was meant to demonstrate equality and female empowerment" Yes to all of this! | |||
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"I almost feel this is a complete parody and exactly demonstrates inequality in the game and the world. We have this huge sporting event which showcases women's sport, entertainment, positive female role models, and them all showing their skill. It's super inspiring for women around the globe. When the winning team come to get their medals, a male grabs a woman's face and kisses her, then says 'she consented, it's fine, I did nothing wrong' despite the fact the woman did not say or indicate any consent. Everyone tells him what he did was wrong, but he refuses to acknowledge his blatant sexism and abuse of the power dynamic. Once she comes out to say 'I did not consent' , she is now getting sued by him. It's literally showing how sexist the world is right at the end of an event that was meant to demonstrate equality and female empowerment" You'll have all the women at your feet now better get ready for the rush | |||
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"I almost feel this is a complete parody and exactly demonstrates inequality in the game and the world. We have this huge sporting event which showcases women's sport, entertainment, positive female role models, and them all showing their skill. It's super inspiring for women around the globe. When the winning team come to get their medals, a male grabs a woman's face and kisses her, then says 'she consented, it's fine, I did nothing wrong' despite the fact the woman did not say or indicate any consent. Everyone tells him what he did was wrong, but he refuses to acknowledge his blatant sexism and abuse of the power dynamic. Once she comes out to say 'I did not consent' , she is now getting sued by him. It's literally showing how sexist the world is right at the end of an event that was meant to demonstrate equality and female empowermentYou'll have all the women at your feet now better get ready for the rush "Of course. No man can speak up for women unless he's a simp. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. " Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? | |||
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"I almost feel this is a complete parody and exactly demonstrates inequality in the game and the world. We have this huge sporting event which showcases women's sport, entertainment, positive female role models, and them all showing their skill. It's super inspiring for women around the globe. When the winning team come to get their medals, a male grabs a woman's face and kisses her, then says 'she consented, it's fine, I did nothing wrong' despite the fact the woman did not say or indicate any consent. Everyone tells him what he did was wrong, but he refuses to acknowledge his blatant sexism and abuse of the power dynamic. Once she comes out to say 'I did not consent' , she is now getting sued by him. It's literally showing how sexist the world is right at the end of an event that was meant to demonstrate equality and female empowerment" Thank you | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. " totally agree and woman keep out of men's game no commentary no refs no lines women win win both sides | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. totally agree and woman keep out of men's game no commentary no refs no lines women win win both sides "  | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? " Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg." We shouldn't segregate women because of *some* mens behaviour. That isn't the way forward | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. We shouldn't segregate women because of *some* mens behaviour. That isn't the way forward " If women stayed out of sports, kept covered up and didn't leave the house after 4pm they'd have nothing to moan about. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. We shouldn't segregate women because of *some* mens behaviour. That isn't the way forward If women stayed out of sports, kept covered up and didn't leave the house after 4pm they'd have nothing to moan about." I think they should have a male chaperone too. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. We shouldn't segregate women because of *some* mens behaviour. That isn't the way forward If women stayed out of sports, kept covered up and didn't leave the house after 4pm they'd have nothing to moan about. I think they should have a male chaperone too. " Just ban 'em. That'll sort it. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg." Segregating by sex isn't the answer. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. " I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour?" I remember distinctly when Sarah Everard's killer hasn't yet been found - police suggested women in London stayed inside at night. When a few commentators suggested it was men who needed to stay inside at night - uproar. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour?" Nah, too much like hard work, eh? | |||
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"Well another Essex Tom thread and another one derailed.... Wake Up Peoples... " Won't stop you starting many more though... | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour?" I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers." I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. " Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few." That was my comment and I was referring to football officials. Not all men. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few. That was my comment and I was referring to football officials. Not all men. " No not your comment, Nicecouple561 comment. Last quoted post before my reply. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few. That was my comment and I was referring to football officials. Not all men. No not your comment, Nicecouple561 comment. Last quoted post before my reply." my experience of men is that most of them are decent human beings. I've met my fair share of the type I described but the decent ones far outweigh them. | |||
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"however in the same way that I wear a seat belt even though I don't expect to crash my car I'm wary of all men I don't know " There’s a great Brownmiller quote about the process of rxpe and how all men create fear that expresses similar. She’s a racist but the quote was powerful. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few. That was my comment and I was referring to football officials. Not all men. No not your comment, Nicecouple561 comment. Last quoted post before my reply. my experience of men is that most of them are decent human beings. I've met my fair share of the type I described but the decent ones far outweigh them. " Yes my experience would say the same. But when you see how many applauded Rubiales speech on Friday, it makes you wonder. | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big https://www.fabswingers.com/iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few. That was my comment and I was referring to football officials. Not all men. No not your comment, Nicecouple561 comment. Last quoted post before my reply. my experience of men is that most of them are decent human beings. I've met my fair share of the type I described but the decent ones far outweigh them. Yes my experience would say the same. But when you see how many applauded Rubiales speech on Friday, it makes you wonder. " -Statistically the collective male ego (if you will) has been going backwards over recent years, no doubt about it. Ok if you look at people individually this kind of trend information can 'disappear' of course (men can be pretty enlightened too!), but study the big picture and men are getting lazier and lazier with their 'reductive thinking.' Simples! It's all fuelled by the raw emotions of paranoia and prejudice imo. And they are grouping together (again for ease) and too many women are adjoining them imo (again for their own ease). And they seem to be attracted to autocrats too. I find this return of masculinity thing real codswollop. And some of the most masculine men I know feel the same way about that too. pt | |||
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"Womans sports, should be woman only. Not just the athletes, but administrators, management and coaching staff. Why? Because a few men can't keep their hands to themselves? Thats just the tip of a very big iceberg. Segregating by sex isn't the answer. I know we've moved away from the initial discussion but all too often women are asked/told to modify their behaviour, dress, activities to protect them from men. How about we switch this and encourage the few men who seem to misunderstand to modify their behaviour? I'd agree with you. But like these threads have shown, I think your underestimating the numbers. I don't think any intelligent woman underestimates the numbers. Was replying to the post about changing the behaviour about " the few men". Think there's a lot more than a few. That was my comment and I was referring to football officials. Not all men. No not your comment, Nicecouple561 comment. Last quoted post before my reply. my experience of men is that most of them are decent human beings. I've met my fair share of the type I described but the decent ones far outweigh them. Yes my experience would say the same. But when you see how many applauded Rubiales speech on Friday, it makes you wonder. " There's a very long way to go for sure. | |||
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"Could a vending machine at competions be the way forward. The winning team simply walk up onto the podium and press a button and the medal rolls down a chute " Go back to what they did during the covid time. Stick the medals on a table for them to just collect themselves. Last person up, picks the trophy up too. | |||
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"I see in a new twist on this story,his mother has locked herself into a church and is on hunger strike at his treatment." The enabling is disappointing but not surprising | |||
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"Could a vending machine at competions be the way forward. The winning team simply walk up onto the podium and press a button and the medal rolls down a chute " That's totes gonna get rid of any sexism in football. Or anywhere else. Awesome. | |||
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"Could a vending machine at competions be the way forward. The winning team simply walk up onto the podium and press a button and the medal rolls down a chute That's totes gonna get rid of any sexism in football. Or anywhere else. Awesome. " Why don’t we teach men about consent? | |||
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"Could a vending machine at competions be the way forward. The winning team simply walk up onto the podium and press a button and the medal rolls down a chute That's totes gonna get rid of any sexism in football. Or anywhere else. Awesome. Why don’t we teach men about consent? " Don't be DAFT  | |||
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"Could a vending machine at competions be the way forward. The winning team simply walk up onto the podium and press a button and the medal rolls down a chute That's totes gonna get rid of any sexism in football. Or anywhere else. Awesome. Why don’t we teach men about consent? " We do but some of them aren't listening. | |||
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"Could a vending machine at competions be the way forward. The winning team simply walk up onto the podium and press a button and the medal rolls down a chute That's totes gonna get rid of any sexism in football. Or anywhere else. Awesome. Why don’t we teach men about consent? We do but some of them aren't listening. " Our 6yo learned about consent (in a general way) in PSE this past academic year. She understands the concept. | |||
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"Well if women kept out of football it wouldn't have happened just let us men have are pass time with out interfering dam women want everything there way just keep to beach volleyball "Not saying this is right before everyone jumps. But if he had smacked her on the nose and broke it there would be less fuss | |||
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"Well if women kept out of football it wouldn't have happened just let us men have are pass time with out interfering dam women want everything there way just keep to beach volleyball
Not saying this is right before everyone jumps.
But if he had smacked her on the nose and broke it there would be less fuss"Yes there would because very few people would argue that she consented to having her nose broken or it was a natural reaction to winning the world cup and he would hopefully be in police custody. | |||
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The fact she's holed herself up in the church tells us a fair bit about the (very traditional) background that Señor Rubiales was raised in, I think. | |||
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"His mother's actions are just
The fact she's holed herself up in the church tells us a fair bit about the (very traditional) background that Señor Rubiales was raised in, I think. "They do seem to be a very dramatic family. | |||
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"Well another Essex Tom thread and another one derailed.... Wake Up Peoples... " Often the additional commentators make it way more interesting. It's all over the threads! Gbat | |||
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