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"Checkmate "Chick, mate | |||
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"Reports that Chess society chiefs have banned trans women from competing in female chess competitions. Are they being treated as pawns ? What's going on here guys. It's all over the news. How bizarre is that" I don’t understand, there is no physical advantage to be gained in a chess match by gender?! Ridiculous ruling | |||
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"Reports that Chess society chiefs have banned trans women from competing in female chess competitions. Are they being treated as pawns ? What's going on here guys. It's all over the news. How bizarre is that I don’t understand, there is no physical advantage to be gained in a chess match by gender?! Ridiculous ruling " Boffins are saying it will last two years until fully investigated by chess authorities | |||
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Not your best"Only God can judge me, Steve. | |||
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"Reports that Chess society chiefs have banned trans women from competing in female chess competitions. Are they being treated as pawns ? What's going on here guys. It's all over the news. How bizarre is that I don’t understand, there is no physical advantage to be gained in a chess match by gender?! Ridiculous ruling " Technically there is, faster reactions both mentally and physically all play a part in chess. The faster you are at both the more advantage you have. I'm not saying that is grounds for a divide between genders but there is a slight advantage on physical grounds. | |||
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"Checkmate
Chick, mate
Not your best
Only God can judge me, Steve."... and the judge | |||
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"Checkmate
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Not your best
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... and the judge"And the court of public opinion. They have the true power. | |||
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"Checkmate
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Not your best
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... and the judge"Well obviously if I'm up in front of the beak. But they've not caught me yet. | |||
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"As a non-physical non-contact activity it does (at first sight) seem a strange one compared to the usual Transwomen in sports arguments. I saw a thread on Twatter (or X, or whatever it’s called now) yesterday that seeks to provide some better context that hopefully is ok to share (mods, please remove if not). It helps to explain (perhaps) why this move has been taken: https://twitter.com/mikesalter74/status/1692011020032868405" Informative thread | |||
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"As a non-physical non-contact activity it does (at first sight) seem a strange one compared to the usual Transwomen in sports arguments. I saw a thread on Twatter (or X, or whatever it’s called now) yesterday that seeks to provide some better context that hopefully is ok to share (mods, please remove if not). It helps to explain (perhaps) why this move has been taken: https://twitter.com/mikesalter74/status/1692011020032868405 Informative thread" I don't have Twitter/ X/ MuskBook so I can't read anything beyond the original post, can you give me the cliff notes?  | |||
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"I'm just struggling to understand why chess has a men/women separation in the first place "Unfair boob distraction advantage | |||
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"Should they be banned from draughts, ludo and snakes and ladders too... ?" Love that you're always so neutral, Tom | |||
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"I'm just struggling to understand why chess has a men/women separation in the first place
Unfair boob distraction advantage "It's all that internet pawn, setting unrealistic expectations of what women can do 
*strokes Bishop seductively* | |||
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"I'm just struggling to understand why chess has a men/women separation in the first place
Unfair boob distraction advantage "Lol, 'this'. Bless them, guessing male chess players don't get out much at this level and need to be proected from the finer distractions in life  | |||
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"Should they be banned from draughts, ludo and snakes and ladders too... ?" Snakes and ladders? so much danger in one game Tom- both of em are vicious buggers! | |||
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"I wonder if they’re paid the same " | |||
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"I'm just struggling to understand why chess has a men/women separation in the first place "It’s because the men are so much better than the women it would just be humiliating for them to be constantly beaten. The women think they are looking at some kind of map and can never work out which way around the board goes. | |||
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"I'm just struggling to understand why chess has a men/women separation in the first place
Unfair boob distraction advantage
It's all that internet pawn, setting unrealistic expectations of what women can do
*strokes Bishop seductively*"Get my nips hard, for the check mate | |||
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"I wonder if they’re paid the same "In the World Title chess in Astana, Kazakhstan, the prize fund was €2 million. The men's champ won €1.1m. Do the maths..... | |||
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"Reports that Chess society chiefs have banned trans women from competing in female chess competitions. Are they being treated as pawns ? What's going on here guys. It's all over the news. How bizarre is that I don’t understand, there is no physical advantage to be gained in a chess match by gender?! Ridiculous ruling Technically there is, faster reactions both mentally and physically all play a part in chess. The faster you are at both the more advantage you have. I'm not saying that is grounds for a divide between genders but there is a slight advantage on physical grounds. " I'd argue that chess isn't a game of speed. Being able to plan ahead for the long game is the skill. | |||
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"Not sure they've read the room, chess, darts, snooker & card games etc are all good sports where mens size & strength are no advantage. This does appear discrimination which is very much not the case when men who think they are women want to play in women's sport as not letting them is common sense due to advantage of physicality. *and because they are men with or without todger#" Discrimination against who? Trans identified men? | |||
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"I wonder if they’re paid the same
In the World Title chess in Astana, Kazakhstan, the prize fund was €2 million. The men's champ won €1.1m. Do the maths....."Not you again.... | |||
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"I wonder if they’re paid the same
In the World Title chess in Astana, Kazakhstan, the prize fund was €2 million. The men's champ won €1.1m. Do the maths....."The men’s game is more exciting  | |||
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"Reports that Chess society chiefs have banned trans women from competing in female chess competitions. Are they being treated as pawns ? What's going on here guys. It's all over the news. How bizarre is that I don’t understand, there is no physical advantage to be gained in a chess match by gender?! Ridiculous ruling " Depends on how big the chess pieces are. | |||
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"I wonder if they’re paid the same
In the World Title chess in Astana, Kazakhstan, the prize fund was €2 million. The men's champ won €1.1m. Do the maths.....
The men’s game is more exciting "All chess is dull enough to make me want to stab myself with a fork. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. " I don't see how anyone has an advantage in chess by their gender. Arm wrestling, sure. Chess? No. Spatial awareness is one thing, butI highly doubt that the difference is relevant or actually gender specific. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. I don't see how anyone has an advantage in chess by their gender. Arm wrestling, sure. Chess? No. Spatial awareness is one thing, butI highly doubt that the difference is relevant or actually gender specific." Do you have an idea as to why women can’t reach the same standards then? | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. I don't see how anyone has an advantage in chess by their gender. Arm wrestling, sure. Chess? No. Spatial awareness is one thing, butI highly doubt that the difference is relevant or actually gender specific. Do you have an idea as to why women can’t reach the same standards then?" Could be coincidence. How many female players are there vs how many men? | |||
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"I know it's all "bants" but enough misogynistic jokes please..." Are you a new mod? | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. I don't see how anyone has an advantage in chess by their gender. Arm wrestling, sure. Chess? No. Spatial awareness is one thing, butI highly doubt that the difference is relevant or actually gender specific. Do you have an idea as to why women can’t reach the same standards then? Could be coincidence. How many female players are there vs how many men?" There have been more men in the history of the game and you can partly put it down to historical and cultural reasons for the disparity but you would have expected more than 1 woman to challenge the best male players in the history of the game. Do you play? | |||
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"I know it's all "bants" but enough misogynistic jokes please... Are you a new mod?" Ooh, do you think I'm stern enough? | |||
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? " At the elite level, where the difference becomes apparent, women have their own world championship and Olympiad. In Britain there is an open championship and a British Women’s championship. I’m sure there are splits in other countries too. | |||
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? " Women have a lot of things for themselves. Why do you not want them to play with men? | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. " A transgender woman is a woman. | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman." The op stated a female chess competition. | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. The op stated a female chess competition. " Yep those too. | |||
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"Anyone else read this as cheese?" Just you. No shock | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman." No hes really not | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. No hes really not" Why are you like this? | |||
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"Not you again...." Not that line again .... Gbat | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. No hes really not Why are you like this?" Like what? | |||
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"I know it's all "bants" but enough misogynistic jokes please... Are you a new mod?" If it's a joke then it's a joke surely and not mysoginy | |||
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"Omg did they not watch Queens Gambit!? " Was she a trans in the movie? | |||
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"Their statement on declassifying previous results from those that now identify as transmen but competed as women before starting their transition makes this look far more like simple transphobia. Their using a possible biological difference as the arguement in one situation and then ignoring the same biological arguement in the next." My understanding from the twitter thread is that most of what are believed to be Mens tournaments are actually open so it wouldn't matter, whereas women's tournaments are limited to women. | |||
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? Women have a lot of things for themselves. Why do you not want them to play with men?" Do they? Name some. Figaro named some reasons further up the thread. They can choose to play with men in Open Comps. As can trans identified men.  | |||
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"I know it's all "bants" but enough misogynistic jokes please... Are you a new mod? If it's a joke then it's a joke surely and not mysoginy " Of course. There's no such thing as misogynistic jokes. | |||
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"I know it's all "bants" but enough misogynistic jokes please... Are you a new mod? If it's a joke then it's a joke surely and not mysoginy Of course. There's no such thing as misogynistic jokes. "You sound like a howl at parties | |||
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"Their statement on declassifying previous results from those that now identify as transmen but competed as women before starting their transition makes this look far more like simple transphobia. Their using a possible biological difference as the arguement in one situation and then ignoring the same biological arguement in the next." ? That makes no sense, does it? Either go with sex or gender to classify. | |||
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"I know it's all "bants" but enough misogynistic jokes please... Are you a new mod? If it's a joke then it's a joke surely and not mysoginy Of course. There's no such thing as misogynistic jokes.
You sound like a howl at parties"Such an unusual line when a woman comments on jokes being misogynistic.  | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman." Well, no, they're trans women. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. " Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. Well, no, they're trans women. " Regarding Mason Greenwood. Please do you research before commenting on serous issues like domestic abuse | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. Well, no, they're trans women. Regarding Mason Greenwood. Please do you research before commenting on serous issues like domestic abuse " It's against site rules do what you're doing. And don't you dare lecture me. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish." Yep, sure they did | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. No hes really not Why are you like this? Like what? " Apparently having an opinion gets you a mob on your tail, here. | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. No hes really not Why are you like this? Like what? Apparently having an opinion gets you a mob on your tail, here. " Indeed. Even more so if that opinion is just a biological fact | |||
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"If it is a female chess tournament then only females should play in that tournament. The same as the female tiddlywinks world series. A transgender woman is a woman. No hes really not Why are you like this? Like what? Apparently having an opinion gets you a mob on your tail, here. Indeed. Even more so if that opinion is just a biological fact " How dare you hurt my feelings with those 'facts' of yours! Mods! | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Yep, sure they did" If this was anyone else but KC, I'd be dubious too Tbf. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Yep, sure they did" Why do you wish to reply to my comment, when you expressly desired no further interaction? Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan The pertinent bit: "She won the gold medal in the Olympic Skeet Shooting event at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona. This event had been mixed, open to both men and women, since it was introduced to the olympics in 1968. Zhang Shan's 1992 gold was the first medal won by a woman in this mixed event. The International Shooting Union consequently barred women from the 1996 Atlanta games. For the 2000 Sydney games, the International Olympic committee allowed women again, but only in segregated competition." | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish." Hurriedly? | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Hurriedly? " In the immediate aftermath of Zhang Shan winning the mixed shooting, a ban was instated by the International Shooting Union, yes. It happened within months. Women were completely barred from the next Olympic shooting competitions (1996) and only reinstated for Sydney 2000 in new gender segregated sections. | |||
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"Not you again.... Not that line again .... Gbat " Not you again .. | |||
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"Goodness this is a contentious topic. I do think, due to simple genetics and so on, physical sports should be kept seperated but chess? I mean really? What difference does it make what you have in your pants to play chess? It is just a thinking/strategy game is it not? Am I missing something? MrsAbz " Well, yes, there's some factors discussed in the thread. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Yep, sure they did Why do you wish to reply to my comment, when you expressly desired no further interaction? Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan The pertinent bit: "She won the gold medal in the Olympic Skeet Shooting event at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona. This event had been mixed, open to both men and women, since it was introduced to the olympics in 1968. Zhang Shan's 1992 gold was the first medal won by a woman in this mixed event. The International Shooting Union consequently barred women from the 1996 Atlanta games. For the 2000 Sydney games, the International Olympic committee allowed women again, but only in segregated competition."" Nice bit of context omitting there. Both the IOC and ISU had been pushing for years prior for male and female events to encourage more female participation. The olympics in question you mentioned had virtually no females competing apart from zhang. So whilst the 1996 ban was unfortunate (they werent able to organise and encourage sufficient female competitors of a sufficient quality in time), it wasnt evidence of some mythical patriarchy that youd love it to be | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Yep, sure they did Why do you wish to reply to my comment, when you expressly desired no further interaction? Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan The pertinent bit: "She won the gold medal in the Olympic Skeet Shooting event at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona. This event had been mixed, open to both men and women, since it was introduced to the olympics in 1968. Zhang Shan's 1992 gold was the first medal won by a woman in this mixed event. The International Shooting Union consequently barred women from the 1996 Atlanta games. For the 2000 Sydney games, the International Olympic committee allowed women again, but only in segregated competition." Nice bit of context omitting there. Both the IOC and ISU had been pushing for years prior for male and female events to encourage more female participation. The olympics in question you mentioned had virtually no females competing apart from zhang. So whilst the 1996 ban was unfortunate (they werent able to organise and encourage sufficient female competitors of a sufficient quality in time), it wasnt evidence of some mythical patriarchy that youd love it to be" Oh goody. "Mythical patriarchy". | |||
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? Women have a lot of things for themselves. Why do you not want them to play with men? Do they? Name some. Figaro named some reasons further up the thread. They can choose to play with men in Open Comps. As can trans identified men. "Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc), women only gyms, women only rooms in hostels and women only floors in some hotels, community centers only accessible for women, women only cafes, spas, women parking spaces, babyshowers, women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs. And probably more that I can't think of from the top of my head. I get why it exists in some cases, but please do not pretend like I just made those things up. Why shouldn't women play chess with men? Are you not saying that they are equal? | |||
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"Goodness this is a contentious topic. I do think, due to simple genetics and so on, physical sports should be kept seperated but chess? I mean really? What difference does it make what you have in your pants to play chess? It is just a thinking/strategy game is it not? Am I missing something? MrsAbz " I am absolutely on board with you here. My exact thoughts. | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish." That was sexist, but in the past, I hope. I can imagine shooting is a little easier for women because men are top heavy, while women's centre of gravity is around their hips. That makes shooting a little easier when standing up. | |||
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"Are boys more likely to join a chess club at school? I can't remember any girls at the chess club I went to at school " An all boys school? | |||
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"Are boys more likely to join a chess club at school? I can't remember any girls at the chess club I went to at school " None at the school I worked at either. My dad taught me chess, backgammon and card games, because I was interested. | |||
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"Are boys more likely to join a chess club at school? I can't remember any girls at the chess club I went to at school None at the school I worked at either. My dad taught me chess, backgammon and card games, because I was interested. " remind me to not play strip poker with you then  | |||
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"Reports that Chess society chiefs have banned trans women from competing in female chess competitions. Are they being treated as pawns ? What's going on here guys. It's all over the news. How bizarre is that I don’t understand, there is no physical advantage to be gained in a chess match by gender?! Ridiculous ruling " Its the one most obvious sport there shouldn't be any gender segregation. | |||
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"Are boys more likely to join a chess club at school? I can't remember any girls at the chess club I went to at school None at the school I worked at either. My dad taught me chess, backgammon and card games, because I was interested. remind me to not play strip poker with you then "My dad did not teach me how to play poker. | |||
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"Are boys more likely to join a chess club at school? I can't remember any girls at the chess club I went to at school None at the school I worked at either. My dad taught me chess, backgammon and card games, because I was interested. remind me to not play strip poker with you then
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? Women have a lot of things for themselves. Why do you not want them to play with men? Do they? Name some. Figaro named some reasons further up the thread. They can choose to play with men in Open Comps. As can trans identified men.
Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc), women only gyms, women only rooms in hostels and women only floors in some hotels, community centers only accessible for women, women only cafes, spas, women parking spaces, babyshowers, women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs. And probably more that I can't think of from the top of my head.
I get why it exists in some cases, but please do not pretend like I just made those things up.
Why shouldn't women play chess with men? Are you not saying that they are equal?"I'm not pretending you made them up. I will go through them. Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc) *Actually men have these too - Andy's Man Club has groups around the country. Mankind and more. The issue seems to be encouraging men to access them as well as equal funding. Let's not forget that women organised the many groups that exist. That's why they exist* women only gyms, women only rooms in hostels women only floors in some hotels *do you think that these shouldn't exist or that men need them too? Because we both know why they exist, right?* Community centers only accessible for women *Not familiar with these. Any more info? Community implies everybody, so not sure why needed* women only cafes, spas * only familiar with menopause cafes which seem to make sense. Spas - equivalent mens' Turkish baths?* women parking spaces * Mystified. Why?* Babyshowers *Ive known several with men invited. But largely it's women that want to have them because they're the ones having the baby* women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs *if there is difficulty for men in accessing roles in female dominated areas, definitely support quotas. Is there?-* | |||
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? Women have a lot of things for themselves. Why do you not want them to play with men? Do they? Name some. Figaro named some reasons further up the thread. They can choose to play with men in Open Comps. As can trans identified men.
Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc), women only gyms, women only rooms in hostels and women only floors in some hotels, community centers only accessible for women, women only cafes, spas, women parking spaces, babyshowers, women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs. And probably more that I can't think of from the top of my head.
I get why it exists in some cases, but please do not pretend like I just made those things up.
Why shouldn't women play chess with men? Are you not saying that they are equal?
I'm not pretending you made them up. I will go through them.
Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc)
*Actually men have these too - Andy's Man Club has groups around the country. Mankind and more. The issue seems to be encouraging men to access them as well as equal funding. Let's not forget that women organised the many groups that exist. That's why they exist*
women only gyms,
women only rooms in hostels
women only floors in some hotels
*do you think that these shouldn't exist or that men need them too? Because we both know why they exist, right?*
Community centers only accessible for women
*Not familiar with these. Any more info? Community implies everybody, so not sure why needed*
women only cafes, spas
* only familiar with menopause cafes which seem to make sense. Spas - equivalent mens' Turkish baths?*
women parking spaces
* Mystified. Why?*
Babyshowers
*Ive known several with men invited. But largely it's women that want to have them because they're the ones having the baby*
women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs
*if there is difficulty for men in accessing roles in female dominated areas, definitely support quotas. Is there?-*
"So you are dodging the important question of why you don't want women to play chess with men, and you go on to just pretend like I made all of those things up as if there are no unmatched female only spaces in society. You're just a troll, always out to only argue. | |||
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"I read a really fascinating article called "What’s behind the gender imbalance in top-level chess?" in The Conversation. Most chess events, as I understand it, are open. Why can't women have a few events to themselves? Women have a lot of things for themselves. Why do you not want them to play with men? Do they? Name some. Figaro named some reasons further up the thread. They can choose to play with men in Open Comps. As can trans identified men.
Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc), women only gyms, women only rooms in hostels and women only floors in some hotels, community centers only accessible for women, women only cafes, spas, women parking spaces, babyshowers, women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs. And probably more that I can't think of from the top of my head.
I get why it exists in some cases, but please do not pretend like I just made those things up.
Why shouldn't women play chess with men? Are you not saying that they are equal?
I'm not pretending you made them up. I will go through them.
Women only programs (like self help groups, local community meet ups, etc)
*Actually men have these too - Andy's Man Club has groups around the country. Mankind and more. The issue seems to be encouraging men to access them as well as equal funding. Let's not forget that women organised the many groups that exist. That's why they exist*
women only gyms,
women only rooms in hostels
women only floors in some hotels
*do you think that these shouldn't exist or that men need them too? Because we both know why they exist, right?*
Community centers only accessible for women
*Not familiar with these. Any more info? Community implies everybody, so not sure why needed*
women only cafes, spas
* only familiar with menopause cafes which seem to make sense. Spas - equivalent mens' Turkish baths?*
women parking spaces
* Mystified. Why?*
Babyshowers
*Ive known several with men invited. But largely it's women that want to have them because they're the ones having the baby*
women quotas in male dominated jobs and no men quotas in female dominated jobs
*if there is difficulty for men in accessing roles in female dominated areas, definitely support quotas. Is there?-*
So you are dodging the important question of why you don't want women to play chess with men, and you go on to just pretend like I made all of those things up as if there are no unmatched female only spaces in society.
You're just a troll, always out to only argue."I went carefully through each one. I did not pretend you made them up - ffs. Have you even read what I wrote? Sometimes women need their own spaces. If there are missing spaces for men (you don't highlight which you think need addressing) then I support that. I'm not the one who doesn't want women to play with men. I support the right of women to not play with men. And trans women are included in that group. I've already said why I think that. You just disagree. | |||
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"For those wondering why transwomen are banned from the women’s section of what should seemingly be a gender neutral sport take a look at the facts. At the elite level women struggle to compete with the top men. Women can play in all the competitions as there are no male only events. They have their own world championship for a reason and it would be unfair to allow a transwoman to compete." This makes sense | |||
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" For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. " The obvious thing to do then is have a pre-tournament parking test. If they can parallel park then they can’t play in the women’s tournament but if they can’t parallel park then thy can, that’ll sort out who’s really a woman and who’s not. | |||
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" For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. The obvious thing to do then is have a pre-tournament parking test. If they can parallel park then they can’t play in the women’s tournament but if they can’t parallel park then thy can, that’ll sort out who’s really a woman and who’s not. " I can parallel park. Obviously a dude | |||
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"For those wondering why transwomen are banned from the women’s section of what should seemingly be a gender neutral sport take a look at the facts. At the elite level women struggle to compete with the top men. Women can play in all the competitions as there are no male only events. They have their own world championship for a reason and it would be unfair to allow a transwoman to compete." That is very true for any other sport, because sport is usually about physical strength and that's where men have the advantage. But you forget that this is CHESS. No muscles at all involved, heck, even Stephen Hawkings could have been a grandmaster. | |||
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"For those wondering why transwomen are banned from the women’s section of what should seemingly be a gender neutral sport take a look at the facts. At the elite level women struggle to compete with the top men. Women can play in all the competitions as there are no male only events. They have their own world championship for a reason and it would be unfair to allow a transwoman to compete. That is very true for any other sport, because sport is usually about physical strength and that's where men have the advantage. But you forget that this is CHESS. No muscles at all involved, heck, even Stephen Hawkings could have been a grandmaster." You’ve making the assumption that the only difference between men and women is physical. If you can explain the disparity between men and women at chess then I’d be interested to hear it. | |||
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"For those wondering why transwomen are banned from the women’s section of what should seemingly be a gender neutral sport take a look at the facts. At the elite level women struggle to compete with the top men. Women can play in all the competitions as there are no male only events. They have their own world championship for a reason and it would be unfair to allow a transwoman to compete. That is very true for any other sport, because sport is usually about physical strength and that's where men have the advantage. But you forget that this is CHESS. No muscles at all involved, heck, even Stephen Hawkings could have been a grandmaster. You’ve making the assumption that the only difference between men and women is physical. If you can explain the disparity between men and women at chess then I’d be interested to hear it." Not a lot of women competing, and the few ones who do, are just not as good. But not because of a physical disadvantage. If you got 100 players, 95 men and 5 women, of which 9 men are really good and 1 woman is really good, then you still have a top 10 of 9 men and not everyone can be nr1. 1/5 is 20%, 9/95 are roughly 9.5%. It's simple math. | |||
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"And because they are outnumbered, they probably also are a little intimidated and psychologically this might affect them to play less bold and more safe, which is not a very good tactic usually. And since some few women do beat the men, it is proven that there is no physical advantage. Otherwise no woman would have ever outplayed a man full stop." Using your maths there should be 9-10 women within the top 100. There is actually 1, the current women’s world champion at 89. Only 1 woman in the entire history of the game has come close to challenging the top men and that was Judit Polgar who reached no 8 in the world. Mental toughness is also a key asset but physical fitness is key too. If you read up on grandmaster games intense thinking for 4-5 hours takes a toll on the body. | |||
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" For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. The obvious thing to do then is have a pre-tournament parking test. If they can parallel park then they can’t play in the women’s tournament but if they can’t parallel park then thy can, that’ll sort out who’s really a woman and who’s not. I can parallel park. Obviously a dude "Are you sure you can really parallel park, or is it just something that you aspire too. | |||
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"To be fair these chess types are very intelligent. Let's not pre judge the outcomes here " Ah! This is correct! CHESS types! If tv has taught me anything, it’s that chess types can’t talk to girls. Hence the different classes | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. I don't see how anyone has an advantage in chess by their gender. Arm wrestling, sure. Chess? No. Spatial awareness is one thing, butI highly doubt that the difference is relevant or actually gender specific. Do you have an idea as to why women can’t reach the same standards then?" Patience women struggle with it | |||
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Yep, sure they did Why do you wish to reply to my comment, when you expressly desired no further interaction? Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan The pertinent bit: "She won the gold medal in the Olympic Skeet Shooting event at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona. This event had been mixed, open to both men and women, since it was introduced to the olympics in 1968. Zhang Shan's 1992 gold was the first medal won by a woman in this mixed event. The International Shooting Union consequently barred women from the 1996 Atlanta games. For the 2000 Sydney games, the International Olympic committee allowed women again, but only in segregated competition." Nice bit of context omitting there. Both the IOC and ISU had been pushing for years prior for male and female events to encourage more female participation. The olympics in question you mentioned had virtually no females competing apart from zhang. So whilst the 1996 ban was unfortunate (they werent able to organise and encourage sufficient female competitors of a sufficient quality in time), it wasnt evidence of some mythical patriarchy that youd love it to be" Ohh... See... A Bit of context does help. | |||
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" For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. The obvious thing to do then is have a pre-tournament parking test. If they can parallel park then they can’t play in the women’s tournament but if they can’t parallel park then thy can, that’ll sort out who’s really a woman and who’s not. I can parallel park. Obviously a dude
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"There is a marked difference at the elite level of chess. Only one women, Judit Polgar has ever got to the top 10 of players in the history of the game. At the present time only the women’s world chess champion at no 89 is on the top 100 players in the world. No women has ever challenged for the World Title despite it being an open competition. This is the reason there is a Women’s World Championship and why trans women have been banned. For those wondering why there is such a difference, men tend to have better spatial awareness which is why there is a split in other sports such as darts, snooker, archery, shooting etc where you would have thought there shouldn’t be. Shooting was only split after a women beat the men at an Olympics. They hurriedly organised gender segregated competition's after that, so that a man was always guaranteed a podium finish. Yep, sure they did Why do you wish to reply to my comment, when you expressly desired no further interaction? Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan The pertinent bit: "She won the gold medal in the Olympic Skeet Shooting event at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona. This event had been mixed, open to both men and women, since it was introduced to the olympics in 1968. Zhang Shan's 1992 gold was the first medal won by a woman in this mixed event. The International Shooting Union consequently barred women from the 1996 Atlanta games. For the 2000 Sydney games, the International Olympic committee allowed women again, but only in segregated competition." Nice bit of context omitting there. Both the IOC and ISU had been pushing for years prior for male and female events to encourage more female participation. The olympics in question you mentioned had virtually no females competing apart from zhang. So whilst the 1996 ban was unfortunate (they werent able to organise and encourage sufficient female competitors of a sufficient quality in time), it wasnt evidence of some mythical patriarchy that youd love it to be Ohh... See... A Bit of context does help. " Except it's wrong. They'd already planned women only events earlier, no need to ban women entirely from the 1996 shooting: "Women’s inclusion: 1967: At the 66th IOC Session held in May in Teheran, it was decided that the International Shooting Union could include women in Olympic shooting teams. 1979: At the 81st IOC Session held in April in Montevideo, it was decided to add three separate events for women. 1980: At the 83rd IOC Session held in July and August in Moscow, the choice of three women’s events was approved. In addition, it was decided that the trap and skeet events would remain mixed. Separation of the men’s and women’s programme 1991: the IOC Executive Board meeting held in December in Lausanne, the Federation’s proposal to replace the mixed trap and skeet events with men’s and women’s events was approved. The addition of a new event (double trap) was also approved." From:SHOOTING - History of Shooting at the Olympic Games , 19.10.2017 Published by the Olympic Study Centre. | |||
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"women parking spaces * Mystified. Why?" Same reason as "women only" floors in hotels. The selected parking spaces are in better lit areas, closer to entrance doors, might have more natural surveillance or better CCTV coverage. Sad fact is that women have to guard their safety in different ways from men. Gbat | |||
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"women parking spaces * Mystified. Why? Same reason as "women only" floors in hotels. The selected parking spaces are in better lit areas, closer to entrance doors, might have more natural surveillance or better CCTV coverage. Sad fact is that women have to guard their safety in different ways from men. Gbat " I'd never heard of them. But yeah, makes sense. I think most women don't think actively about safety much of the time, we just take precautions automatically. | |||
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"I mean there is a very simple solution to all of this. Ban women from playing chess! " I think we should ban men. Seems fair to me. | |||
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"I mean there is a very simple solution to all of this. Ban women from playing chess! I think we should ban men. Seems fair to me." Yeah but I said it first, so priority init. | |||
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"I mean there is a very simple solution to all of this. Ban women from playing chess! I think we should ban men. Seems fair to me. Yeah but I said it first, so priority init. " Men comes before women in the alphabet, so they should be banned first | |||
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"I mean there is a very simple solution to all of this. Ban women from playing chess! I think we should ban men. Seems fair to me. Yeah but I said it first, so priority init. Men comes before women in the alphabet, so they should be banned first "Exactly, men are first in alphabet so get the first say. Also last one in first one out. | |||
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"I think first we have to look at why there are specifically chess categories for women. Obviously there is no argument for physiology disadvantage. And likewise clearly none for mental disadvantage. So why is chess sometimes categorised by sex? The only reason I can see from my experiences playing competitive chess at school (which was mixed) is (at least in my experience) girls played the bottom boards that was based on their performance and wins. That's of course not to say that women are theoretically just as capable but this is just the way it often pans out for numerous reasons that are I suspect far more to do with society than natural ability. So if we women are not disadvantaged physically or mentally then we must say women are disadvantaged by society and the way it socialises. Factors like its still not viewed a girls game. It may not naturally appeal to many girls. They may lack female role models. They may lack encouragement and people having faith or investing time in them in this endeavour. And just statisticly there are far more males than females playing in competition so you will see very few feamles at top if mixed. So I suspect the sex category is like in many other sports their to allow women to compete against their peers at a top level rather than drowned out in the sea of men. So we're does this intersect with trans. Transwomen have generally grown up in the male world society assigned to them. They have had many of the advantages and socialisation that other male chess players have had. Birth sex and gender they are basically playing with the same societal advantages for the game that many males have had and many females have not. The reverse is true for Transmen. You can not overlook the effect society has in the formulative years of childhood and adolescence. For example I enjoy a very male hobby. No reason for this apart from society and socialisation I think. Women are so incredibly rare in the hobby. 9 out of 10 times at gatherings/conventions when I have encountered a woman it's been a transwoman not A CIS woman. Basically the vast majority of the times this hobby has been legacy of a transwomen growing up in a family/society that sees them as male. So to play devil's advocate I can see the reason for exclusion. Because the advantages in terms of chess success that are inherent to growing up in a male world are also bestowed onto many transwomen. So to play in the female game would give instant advantage. Personally though I would just prefer to see a mixed game. Although I understand that the majority of female players would not be represented in the higher levels. In a game when physiology and mental capacity is not a problem yet there is still a sex device it must be society that is the problem. Therefore it society's attitudes we need to address. Which is not easy and never fast." Speed chess? | |||
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"I think first we have to look at why there are specifically chess categories for women. Obviously there is no argument for physiology disadvantage. And likewise clearly none for mental disadvantage. So why is chess sometimes categorised by sex? The only reason I can see from my experiences playing competitive chess at school (which was mixed) is (at least in my experience) girls played the bottom boards that was based on their performance and wins. That's of course not to say that women are theoretically just as capable but this is just the way it often pans out for numerous reasons that are I suspect far more to do with society than natural ability. So if we women are not disadvantaged physically or mentally then we must say women are disadvantaged by society and the way it socialises. Factors like its still not viewed a girls game. It may not naturally appeal to many girls. They may lack female role models. They may lack encouragement and people having faith or investing time in them in this endeavour. And just statisticly there are far more males than females playing in competition so you will see very few feamles at top if mixed. So I suspect the sex category is like in many other sports their to allow women to compete against their peers at a top level rather than drowned out in the sea of men. So we're does this intersect with trans. Transwomen have generally grown up in the male world society assigned to them. They have had many of the advantages and socialisation that other male chess players have had. Birth sex and gender they are basically playing with the same societal advantages for the game that many males have had and many females have not. The reverse is true for Transmen. You can not overlook the effect society has in the formulative years of childhood and adolescence. For example I enjoy a very male hobby. No reason for this apart from society and socialisation I think. Women are so incredibly rare in the hobby. 9 out of 10 times at gatherings/conventions when I have encountered a woman it's been a transwoman not A CIS woman. Basically the vast majority of the times this hobby has been legacy of a transwomen growing up in a family/society that sees them as male. So to play devil's advocate I can see the reason for exclusion. Because the advantages in terms of chess success that are inherent to growing up in a male world are also bestowed onto many transwomen. So to play in the female game would give instant advantage. Personally though I would just prefer to see a mixed game. Although I understand that the majority of female players would not be represented in the higher levels. In a game when physiology and mental capacity is not a problem yet there is still a sex device it must be society that is the problem. Therefore it society's attitudes we need to address. Which is not easy and never fast." The problem with this is there is no generic ‘society’ applicable to the whole of the chess world. You could argue the case in western countries. However, the Soviet Union looked at chess as a way to establish their superiority over the west in the Cold War and put a huge amount of resources into chess at all levels. They held the men’s and women’s world championships for many years. Even with this advantage the top soviet women would have been unable to compete at the top level of the men’s championship. | |||
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"I think first we have to look at why there are specifically chess categories for women. Obviously there is no argument for physiology disadvantage. And likewise clearly none for mental disadvantage. So why is chess sometimes categorised by sex? The only reason I can see from my experiences playing competitive chess at school (which was mixed) is (at least in my experience) girls played the bottom boards that was based on their performance and wins. That's of course not to say that women are theoretically just as capable but this is just the way it often pans out for numerous reasons that are I suspect far more to do with society than natural ability. So if we women are not disadvantaged physically or mentally then we must say women are disadvantaged by society and the way it socialises. Factors like its still not viewed a girls game. It may not naturally appeal to many girls. They may lack female role models. They may lack encouragement and people having faith or investing time in them in this endeavour. And just statisticly there are far more males than females playing in competition so you will see very few feamles at top if mixed. So I suspect the sex category is like in many other sports their to allow women to compete against their peers at a top level rather than drowned out in the sea of men. So we're does this intersect with trans. Transwomen have generally grown up in the male world society assigned to them. They have had many of the advantages and socialisation that other male chess players have had. Birth sex and gender they are basically playing with the same societal advantages for the game that many males have had and many females have not. The reverse is true for Transmen. You can not overlook the effect society has in the formulative years of childhood and adolescence. For example I enjoy a very male hobby. No reason for this apart from society and socialisation I think. Women are so incredibly rare in the hobby. 9 out of 10 times at gatherings/conventions when I have encountered a woman it's been a transwoman not A CIS woman. Basically the vast majority of the times this hobby has been legacy of a transwomen growing up in a family/society that sees them as male. So to play devil's advocate I can see the reason for exclusion. Because the advantages in terms of chess success that are inherent to growing up in a male world are also bestowed onto many transwomen. So to play in the female game would give instant advantage. Personally though I would just prefer to see a mixed game. Although I understand that the majority of female players would not be represented in the higher levels. In a game when physiology and mental capacity is not a problem yet there is still a sex device it must be society that is the problem. Therefore it society's attitudes we need to address. Which is not easy and never fast. Speed chess? " Multitasking chess. Players must play chess while simultaneously cooking a meal, planning the week for the whole family and washing up last night's midnight snack dishes. Who'll win then, eh?! | |||
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"I’m likely not the typical modern man but I like a society that values women and protects their values and rights, regardless of biological differences. I like in the country where I work women feel safe abs if they choose to can ride pink class on trains and pink Ubers. I like a society that values women for being women and am against anything that would undermine that. Let trans people compete as trans people " You really don't see the problems for women in the UAE, do you? The segregation is not for safety. | |||
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"I’m likely not the typical modern man but I like a society that values women and protects their values and rights, regardless of biological differences. I like in the country where I work women feel safe abs if they choose to can ride pink class on trains and pink Ubers. I like a society that values women for being women and am against anything that would undermine that. Let trans people compete as trans people You really don't see the problems for women in the UAE, do you? The segregation is not for safety. " I know lots of women in the UAE and they feel very safe compared to in the UK. There is no segregation, Women can and do ride in Gold, Silver and Pink and are respected unlike in the UK. They don’t feel unsafe walking the dark streets alone at night | |||
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"I mean there is a very simple solution to all of this. Ban women from playing chess! I think we should ban men. Seems fair to me. Yeah but I said it first, so priority init. Men comes before women in the alphabet, so they should be banned first "Ah, but female comes before male Seriously, I enjoy chess - it's one of the few pastimes we do where I win more often. And poker
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"I’m likely not the typical modern man but I like a society that values women and protects their values and rights, regardless of biological differences. I like in the country where I work women feel safe abs if they choose to can ride pink class on trains and pink Ubers. I like a society that values women for being women and am against anything that would undermine that. Let trans people compete as trans people You really don't see the problems for women in the UAE, do you? The segregation is not for safety. I know lots of women in the UAE and they feel very safe compared to in the UK. There is no segregation, Women can and do ride in Gold, Silver and Pink and are respected unlike in the UK. They don’t feel unsafe walking the dark streets alone at night" They also require a male guardian and cannot freely leave the country or do anything remotely important without their guardian's permission. Their guardian can withhold permission or rescind at any time. | |||
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"I’m likely not the typical modern man but I like a society that values women and protects their values and rights, regardless of biological differences. I like in the country where I work women feel safe abs if they choose to can ride pink class on trains and pink Ubers. I like a society that values women for being women and am against anything that would undermine that. Let trans people compete as trans people You really don't see the problems for women in the UAE, do you? The segregation is not for safety. I know lots of women in the UAE and they feel very safe compared to in the UK. There is no segregation, Women can and do ride in Gold, Silver and Pink and are respected unlike in the UK. They don’t feel unsafe walking the dark streets alone at night They also require a male guardian and cannot freely leave the country or do anything remotely important without their guardian's permission. Their guardian can withhold permission or rescind at any time. " Thats absolutely not true. I have several female friends living a working in dubai and abu dhabi and that just is not the case | |||
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"It's still under review Tom. It's thought to be unfair as the trans women have an unfair advantage in that they can lift heavier pieces and -move them more quickly. It's the ones that insist on kissing their guns between moves that annoy me." Omg | |||
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"I’m likely not the typical modern man but I like a society that values women and protects their values and rights, regardless of biological differences. I like in the country where I work women feel safe abs if they choose to can ride pink class on trains and pink Ubers. I like a society that values women for being women and am against anything that would undermine that. Let trans people compete as trans people You really don't see the problems for women in the UAE, do you? The segregation is not for safety. I know lots of women in the UAE and they feel very safe compared to in the UK. There is no segregation, Women can and do ride in Gold, Silver and Pink and are respected unlike in the UK. They don’t feel unsafe walking the dark streets alone at night They also require a male guardian and cannot freely leave the country or do anything remotely important without their guardian's permission. Their guardian can withhold permission or rescind at any time. Thats absolutely not true. I have several female friends living a working in dubai and abu dhabi and that just is not the case" You'd better tell the Emirati women then: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates "Emirati women live under male guardianship" Guardianship doesn't apply to non-UAE nationals, which presumably would include your friends? White immigrant female workers generally receive preferential treatment, until they do something like outrage public decency, e.g. have the audacity to be r@ped or do anything sexual outside marriage. Then the lovely, fair minded Emirati police will treat them wonderfully. "In 2013, a Norwegian woman, Marte Dalelv, received a prison sentence of sixteen months in Dubai for perjury, consensual extramarital sex, and alcohol consumption, after she reported her boss to the police for an alleged r@pe; she was later fully pardoned and allowed to leave the country. Men involved in these alleged r@pes were also convicted for extramarital sex. Another victim of r@pe was arrested in 2016, this time a British national. She alleges that she was r@ped by British men and the matter is still being investigated" But yes. UAE is a wonderful place to be female | |||
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"I’m likely not the typical modern man but I like a society that values women and protects their values and rights, regardless of biological differences. I like in the country where I work women feel safe abs if they choose to can ride pink class on trains and pink Ubers. I like a society that values women for being women and am against anything that would undermine that. Let trans people compete as trans people You really don't see the problems for women in the UAE, do you? The segregation is not for safety. I know lots of women in the UAE and they feel very safe compared to in the UK. There is no segregation, Women can and do ride in Gold, Silver and Pink and are respected unlike in the UK. They don’t feel unsafe walking the dark streets alone at night They also require a male guardian and cannot freely leave the country or do anything remotely important without their guardian's permission. Their guardian can withhold permission or rescind at any time. Thats absolutely not true. I have several female friends living a working in dubai and abu dhabi and that just is not the case You'd better tell the Emirati women then: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates "Emirati women live under male guardianship" Guardianship doesn't apply to non-UAE nationals, which presumably would include your friends? White immigrant female workers generally receive preferential treatment, until they do something like outrage public decency, e.g. have the audacity to be r@ped or do anything sexual outside marriage. Then the lovely, fair minded Emirati police will treat them wonderfully. "In 2013, a Norwegian woman, Marte Dalelv, received a prison sentence of sixteen months in Dubai for perjury, consensual extramarital sex, and alcohol consumption, after she reported her boss to the police for an alleged r@pe; she was later fully pardoned and allowed to leave the country. Men involved in these alleged r@pes were also convicted for extramarital sex. Another victim of r@pe was arrested in 2016, this time a British national. She alleges that she was r@ped by British men and the matter is still being investigated" But yes. UAE is a wonderful place to be female "My friends have plenty of female emirati friends over there, who they work with amd socialise with. None of this guardianship thing applies in reality. The reality over there is normality as we know it, minus the scumbag crime | |||
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" My friends have plenty of female emirati friends over there, who they work with amd socialise with. None of this guardianship thing applies in reality. The reality over there is normality as we know it, minus the scumbag crime" All the students we care for must be lying then
For someone who implicitly said they didn't want to interact with me, you're doing a great job of interacting.
The facts are that Emirati women live under male guardianship laws and they do not have full and free participation in society. Anyone who says the opposite is not telling the truth. Its written into the law there.
"Women are unequal to men under the UAE law. Article 72 of the Law on Personal Status allows judges to determine if it is permissible for a married woman to leave the house and to work. Unlike the case of children of Emirati fathers, Emirati citizenship is not transmitted automatically to the children of Emirati women.
Some Emirati laws have been amended in women's favor. In 2016, the clause in Article 53.1 of the Penal Code recognizing that a husband has the right to discipline his wife was removed. Also, a line in Article 56.1 of the Law on Personal Status stating that a husband has the right to courteous obedience from his wife was removed in 2019. In 2020, Article 334 of the Penal Code punishing honor killings by a little as one month in jail was annulled. However, families of honor killing victims can waive their right to have the murderer punished in return for blood money (or none) in which case the murderer will be punished by 7 years.
Under Article 9 (1) of the Federal Decree-Law No.10 of 2019 concerning Protection from Domestic Violence, anyone found guilty of domestic violence will face a maximum of six months in prison and/or a fine of up to Dh5,000 (about $1361). The law covers physical, emotional, sexual, and economic abuse.
Some of the women's rights under the Personal Status Law require the consent of a male guardian, who is often the husband or a male family member.
In Sep. 2020, the updated UAE Labour Law 8/1980 took effect, requiring equal pay for men and women who perform the same work or work of equal value. Under Emirati law, women are free to choose their jobs, although employers can ask for permission from a male guardian.
Pregnant women working in the private sector are entitled to 45 paid scheduled days of maternity leave. After returning to work, the Emirati law allows mothers an extra hour off per day for breastfeeding.
The UAE amended in Nov. 2020 Article 356 of the Penal Code, removing language that was used to punish consensual sex outside of marriage, but marriage certificates continue to be a requirement for obtaining birth certificates, which may affect migrant women and leave their children undocumented.
Women in the UAE are free to own property and acquire a mortgage, and a third (30%) of all Dubai real estate is owned by women." | |||
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" My friends have plenty of female emirati friends over there, who they work with amd socialise with. None of this guardianship thing applies in reality. The reality over there is normality as we know it, minus the scumbag crime All the students we care for must be lying then
For someone who implicitly said they didn't want to interact with me, you're doing a great job of interacting.
The facts are that Emirati women live under male guardianship laws and they do not have full and free participation in society. Anyone who says the opposite is not telling the truth. Its written into the law there.
"Women are unequal to men under the UAE law. Article 72 of the Law on Personal Status allows judges to determine if it is permissible for a married woman to leave the house and to work. Unlike the case of children of Emirati fathers, Emirati citizenship is not transmitted automatically to the children of Emirati women.
Some Emirati laws have been amended in women's favor. In 2016, the clause in Article 53.1 of the Penal Code recognizing that a husband has the right to discipline his wife was removed. Also, a line in Article 56.1 of the Law on Personal Status stating that a husband has the right to courteous obedience from his wife was removed in 2019. In 2020, Article 334 of the Penal Code punishing honor killings by a little as one month in jail was annulled. However, families of honor killing victims can waive their right to have the murderer punished in return for blood money (or none) in which case the murderer will be punished by 7 years.
Under Article 9 (1) of the Federal Decree-Law No.10 of 2019 concerning Protection from Domestic Violence, anyone found guilty of domestic violence will face a maximum of six months in prison and/or a fine of up to Dh5,000 (about $1361). The law covers physical, emotional, sexual, and economic abuse.
Some of the women's rights under the Personal Status Law require the consent of a male guardian, who is often the husband or a male family member.
In Sep. 2020, the updated UAE Labour Law 8/1980 took effect, requiring equal pay for men and women who perform the same work or work of equal value. Under Emirati law, women are free to choose their jobs, although employers can ask for permission from a male guardian.
Pregnant women working in the private sector are entitled to 45 paid scheduled days of maternity leave. After returning to work, the Emirati law allows mothers an extra hour off per day for breastfeeding.
The UAE amended in Nov. 2020 Article 356 of the Penal Code, removing language that was used to punish consensual sex outside of marriage, but marriage certificates continue to be a requirement for obtaining birth certificates, which may affect migrant women and leave their children undocumented.
Women in the UAE are free to own property and acquire a mortgage, and a third (30%) of all Dubai real estate is owned by women.""I wonder how many men are identifying as women in the UAE? | |||
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" My friends have plenty of female emirati friends over there, who they work with amd socialise with. None of this guardianship thing applies in reality. The reality over there is normality as we know it, minus the scumbag crime All the students we care for must be lying then
For someone who implicitly said they didn't want to interact with me, you're doing a great job of interacting.
The facts are that Emirati women live under male guardianship laws and they do not have full and free participation in society. Anyone who says the opposite is not telling the truth. Its written into the law there.
"Women are unequal to men under the UAE law. Article 72 of the Law on Personal Status allows judges to determine if it is permissible for a married woman to leave the house and to work. Unlike the case of children of Emirati fathers, Emirati citizenship is not transmitted automatically to the children of Emirati women.
Some Emirati laws have been amended in women's favor. In 2016, the clause in Article 53.1 of the Penal Code recognizing that a husband has the right to discipline his wife was removed. Also, a line in Article 56.1 of the Law on Personal Status stating that a husband has the right to courteous obedience from his wife was removed in 2019. In 2020, Article 334 of the Penal Code punishing honor killings by a little as one month in jail was annulled. However, families of honor killing victims can waive their right to have the murderer punished in return for blood money (or none) in which case the murderer will be punished by 7 years.
Under Article 9 (1) of the Federal Decree-Law No.10 of 2019 concerning Protection from Domestic Violence, anyone found guilty of domestic violence will face a maximum of six months in prison and/or a fine of up to Dh5,000 (about $1361). The law covers physical, emotional, sexual, and economic abuse.
Some of the women's rights under the Personal Status Law require the consent of a male guardian, who is often the husband or a male family member.
In Sep. 2020, the updated UAE Labour Law 8/1980 took effect, requiring equal pay for men and women who perform the same work or work of equal value. Under Emirati law, women are free to choose their jobs, although employers can ask for permission from a male guardian.
Pregnant women working in the private sector are entitled to 45 paid scheduled days of maternity leave. After returning to work, the Emirati law allows mothers an extra hour off per day for breastfeeding.
The UAE amended in Nov. 2020 Article 356 of the Penal Code, removing language that was used to punish consensual sex outside of marriage, but marriage certificates continue to be a requirement for obtaining birth certificates, which may affect migrant women and leave their children undocumented.
Women in the UAE are free to own property and acquire a mortgage, and a third (30%) of all Dubai real estate is owned by women."
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" I wonder how many men are identifying as women in the UAE? " More than you think. It's just not happening in public, for obvious reasons. We see lots of LGBTQ+ young people from UAE and other Middle Eastern countries and let me tell you, their lives are deeply unpleasant. | |||
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