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Should there be equal pay in football?

By *hagTonight OP Man over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I was listening to something interesting about it and they were talking about womens football, like why they dont earn the same like what the men do.

They talked about few things about it and the main reason why is because womens football does not achieve near the same revenue as mens football does, as such, they do not deserve the same as men, as they do not bring in the same revenue as men.

Another thing was about the sponsors, as few people are watching it, the less sponsors there are, which means you earn less.

What is your view about it, do you agree wit those points and will we ever see equal pay in football? I hope we will see it one day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes.

There should be equal pay in all walks of life depending on performance, input, output etc

In sports equal pay can only be sought by ticket sales/attendances to maximise profit benefitting sportspersons.

That’s just my opinion but yes yes yes

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By *im494Man over a year ago

Westhill

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By *im494Man over a year ago

Westhill

As far as weekly wage goes no the men's game generates more money to pay them the vast amount they earn. If it happened in the women's game teams would go bust because the TV money isn't at the level of the men's yet. With the media and endorsements yes they should get the same if Lionel Messi and Lauren hemp both promote the same product they should get paid the same. Same as playing for the national team the bonus for winning the world Cup should be the same as well

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By *ingu and The ApeCouple over a year ago

The Igloo

Sport is probably one of the very few professions where there is a male/female pay gap. It’s not due to clubs being sexist, it’s down to revenue income. It’s only recently that women’s football has had this level of exposure, more games on Sky, women’s Euros and World Cup (especially here in the UK). It’s been reported in the news before to say that sponsorship for women’s events and sponsorship for individuals is significantly lower than male events. I can see that changing in the UK even if the lionesses lose in the final.

Just waiting on the issuance of loads of damehoods, MBE and OBEs later in the year. King Charlie will be busy.

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By *agpie and RavenMan over a year ago

Leicester

"As far as weekly wage goes no the men's game generates more money to pay them the vast amount they earn. If it happened in the women's game teams would go bust because the TV money isn't at the level of the men's yet. With the media and endorsements yes they should get the same if Lionel Messi and Lauren hemp both promote the same product they should get paid the same. Same as playing for the national team the bonus for winning the world Cup should be the same as well"

Do you really think Lauren Hemp would shift the same amount of product as Lionel Messi? I doubt it, and for that reason alone Lionel should be paid more, he'd generate more income.

Frank

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Based on revenue, no.

Based on skill, women would be the higher earners.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple over a year ago

Leeds

They don't bring in as much revenue so no they shouldn't.

If they ever do make as much then yes they should.

Mrs

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By *agpie and RavenMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Based on revenue, no.

Based on skill, women would be the higher earners.

Why you talking funny? Ahhh, it's your tongue in your cheek

Frank

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By *unchalMan over a year ago

Dartford

"I was listening to something interesting about it and they were talking about womens football, like why they dont earn the same like what the men do.

Another thing was about the sponsors, as few people are watching it, the less sponsors there are, which means you earn less.

What is your view about it, do you agree wit those points and will we ever see equal pay in football? I hope we will see it one day

Yeah, it's a revenue thing, I'm sure. It might help if we stopped calling it 'women's football'. I'm pretty sure the other lot just play football.

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By *eally_RosieWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

There should be equal pay ‘opportunity’ in everything. Football included.

Are woman athletes amazing? Yep. Does that mean women should automatically get paid the same as men outright? Absolutely not.

They don’t generate the same income, and it’s a business. Women’s football is on the rise, but it’s still predominantly watched by men and subsidised by the men’s game.

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By *eandmrsjones69Couple over a year ago

Middle England

In theory it would be great but in practice it doesn't work. Pay is generally based on revenue.

Amongst most global/high profile sports, tennis has equal pay (grand slams). There may be others. Can't think of any where women get paid more than men.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

I think if you were to look at this fairly, male footballers are probably underpaid compared to women, considering the amount of revenue they generate relative to what they are paid.

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By *agpie and RavenMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Yeah, it's a revenue thing, I'm sure. It might help if we stopped calling it 'women's football'. I'm pretty sure the other lot just play football. "

Because it's women who play football. Name a sport that doesn't differentiate between the sexes?

Frank

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By *uri00620Woman over a year ago

Croydon

"Sport is probably one of the very few professions where there is a male/female pay gap. It’s not due to clubs being sexist, it’s down to revenue income. It’s only recently that women’s football has had this level of exposure, more games on Sky, women’s Euros and World Cup (especially here in the UK). It’s been reported in the news before to say that sponsorship for women’s events and sponsorship for individuals is significantly lower than male events. I can see that changing in the UK even if the lionesses lose in the final.

Just waiting on the issuance of loads of damehoods, MBE and OBEs later in the year. King Charlie will be busy. "

The gender pay gap is rife across many industries in this country!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think if you were to look at this fairly, male footballers are probably underpaid compared to women, considering the amount of revenue they generate relative to what they are paid. "

Got any stats to back that up that fairness?

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Surely, any sort of pay "parity" would require there to be a pay structure in the first place?

Currently professional footballers wages are negotiated on an individual basis. There is nothing near equal wages for players of the same gender even within the same club, how would it be possible to have an equal wages mandate between the men's and women's game?

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think if you were to look at this fairly, male footballers are probably underpaid compared to women, considering the amount of revenue they generate relative to what they are paid. "

World Cup - women paid 1/4 of the men's fees/bonuses. Just to look at this fairly.

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By *andR2019Couple over a year ago

Nunya

There was an article a while back during the USWNT pay dispute that said football would struggle and most clubs would go bust if equal pay was in place as women’s football doesn’t generate enough money and men’s football is ran on thin margins.

Also most women’s national team agreements are better than the men’s anyways, while it’s money they make more % wise. Again the USWNT highlighted this.

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By *ingu and The ApeCouple over a year ago

The Igloo

The gender pay gap is rife across many industries in this country!

I’m not saying there isn’t. It can go both ways though. Take Wimbledon as an example. Winners prize money is £2.3 million. Men play 5 sets, women play 3 which means the women winner gets paid more per game then the men. I will add we would rather watch the women as it’s more skilful and less about the power.

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

Yes- cut the blokes pay significantly to match- over paid over worshipped bunch of numpties

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By *mf123Man over a year ago

with one foot out the door

Fill 75k stadiums during league games sell billions in shirt sales bring in as many sponsors and tv deals then absolutley until then no but im sure that will happen one day they are doing very well and heading the right direction tho the endorsements are about to flow in now if they win this thing thats for sure they all about to get well paid not men money but well paid

Bare in mind its 43 years since trevor francis was the first million pound footballer to what it is now money wise it takes time to grow a sport success speeds it up tho so good on them

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By *mf123Man over a year ago

with one foot out the door

Also i believe its is a seperate sport anyway as they dont compete in the same matches with each other like a normal work place so the gender pay gap argument is irrelevant

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By *ndtheswingersMan over a year ago

colchester

Am I going to get paid the same as a 20 something girl for my OF account?

Of course I won't, almost no one wants to see a very average looking chubby 50s bloke!

Women's football has improved massively over the last 10 years but is still a looooooong way from men's. In the next 10 years or so the gap will close further but there's still almost no demand to watch women's football therefore almost no revenue.

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By *handlerMonicaCouple over a year ago

Leicester

"Surely, any sort of pay "parity" would require there to be a pay structure in the first place?

Cal "

I was going to make exactly the same point, but you got there first.

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By *iddlesticksMan over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

Market forces, as simple as that.

Is it fair that the English women footballers earn more than the English women rugby players who are equally if not more successful or the English ladies cricketers or the ladies of the Jamaican national team who they could only draw with.

As I and many others say, when sport becomes professional it’s down to market forces.

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By *iddlesticksMan over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

Whilst I’m on it, the worst example of discrimination pay wise is in professional tennis.

Wimbledon has moved massively in that men and women have equal prize money, but a very pretty average woman tennis player earns more in sponsorship than a top class less attractive player.

Now that’s wrong but that’s market forces.

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By *hagTonight OP Man over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Yes.

There should be equal pay in all walks of life depending on performance, input, output etc

In sports equal pay can only be sought by ticket sales/attendances to maximise profit benefitting sportspersons.

That’s just my opinion but yes yes yes

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Yes, it should be equal too

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By *hagTonight OP Man over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Just waiting on the issuance of loads of damehoods, MBE and OBEs later in the year. King Charlie will be busy. "
Yes. I also think that sport is few of the professions with the gender pay gap. I would say that the difference in wages is the highest in football as well

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

It's not even a debate with a defensible position when applying simple and basic logic as to why it's the way it is and should stay as such.

I think the pay of the players in men's teams is not necessary to be as much as it is anyway. But they are part of the machine that drives the revenue so it allows them to be paid as such.

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By *ingo00Man over a year ago

Cowley

"I think if you were to look at this fairly, male footballers are probably underpaid compared to women, considering the amount of revenue they generate relative to what they are paid.

Got any stats to back that up that fairness?

Admittedly it was an Instagram vide so it may be bollocks

it apparently works out that revenue to payout the women earn 20% of the tournament revenue, the men 7%.

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By *hawn ScottMan over a year ago

london Brixton

Been following the women's World cup and enjoying it more than the men's.

Looking forward to Sunday!

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Hopefully, the recent shift in interest towards women's sports will have the knock on effect of getting more schoolgirls taking part in sports at school and supporting sports. For far too long, a large percentage of girls have avoided sports in every way. High profile sporting heroes will hopefully turn that tide.

Cal

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS over a year ago

stockport

Looking forward to seeing the Lionesses on Sunday.

It's been an incredible tournament

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Hopefully, the recent shift in interest towards women's sports will have the knock on effect of getting more schoolgirls taking part in sports at school and supporting sports. For far too long, a large percentage of girls have avoided sports in every way. High profile sporting heroes will hopefully turn that tide.

Cal"

This

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"I think if you were to look at this fairly, male footballers are probably underpaid compared to women, considering the amount of revenue they generate relative to what they are paid.

Got any stats to back that up that fairness?

Admittedly it was an Instagram vide so it may be bollocks

it apparently works out that revenue to payout the women earn 20% of the tournament revenue, the men 7%.

The total revenue of the events are massively different though, the last Men's world cup generated 6,314 million dollars where-as the last women's world cup generated 766 million dollars.

Based on those figures, women's earnings totalled 153 million dollars where as the men's earnings totalled 442 million dollars... that's nearly three times more.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I wonder if anyone thinks beyond the Premier League when talking about men's footballing wages too? In the lower leagues, salaries are WAYYYYYYYY less and looking at those (and attendances/revenues there) might be more comparable. The top Premier League clubs are just ridiculous silly money being thrown about by Middle Eastern and other billionaires to see who has the biggest wang or something. The money paid for players and paid to players is totally ridiculous and as someone else said, not based on any kind of structure or commonality between individuals at the same club, let alone all 20 clubs in the League.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

To add, last season, WSL attendances averaged around 6000, which is directly comparable with League One and League Two men's match attendances.

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By *ustus56Couple over a year ago

rugby

as much as I love football the pay for the top earners is a joke.unless I'm mistaken theres a worldwide recession on but in the la la land of football it matters not a jot.,Neymar has gone to the Saudi league for a reported 2.5 million a week

plus 8 yes 8 luxury cars and a 25 bed mansion.i realy hope the mens game falls on it ass as it an absolute joke what these ppl are taking home for kicking a bag of wind around a pitch

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

"as much as I love football the pay for the top earners is a joke.unless I'm mistaken theres a worldwide recession on but in the la la land of football it matters not a jot.,Neymar has gone to the Saudi league for a reported 2.5 million a week

plus 8 yes 8 luxury cars and a 25 bed mansion.i realy hope the mens game falls on it ass as it an absolute joke what these ppl are taking home for kicking a bag of wind around a pitch"

Because people pay to see it and put these players up on a pedistal.

The fans are the reason for such jumps in the money involved in football. It's never going to happen, but the way to stop the growth of money generated is by saying no, and not giving the "professionals" the attention. It then has a knock on effect for the clubs and partially by extension the owners.

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

I agree with the points made, men get paid more due to revenue. Commercial deals, Tv rights, sponsors, match day revenue are far greater in the men’s game.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was listening to something interesting about it and they were talking about womens football, like why they dont earn the same like what the men do.

Another thing was about the sponsors, as few people are watching it, the less sponsors there are, which means you earn less.

What is your view about it, do you agree wit those points and will we ever see equal pay in football? I hope we will see it one day

There is no equal pay in football and never will be. As with most things in life a person gets paid what they are perceived to be worth

Who exactly are you going to force to foot the bill of paying higher wages to women footballers if the product doesn’t generate the income ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not in sports no. It's relative to how much it brings In, and unfortunately, very few people watch woman's sports.

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By *heGateKeeperMan over a year ago

Stratford

There isn’t parity within clubs at the moment for players in the same positions as like someone said contracts are negotiated individually based on a multitude of factors.

Let’s enjoy the weekend and support the Lionesses in their quest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lovely idea and concept, and pay should be equal, but within the sporting realm unfortunately it’s not one that could be easily achieved.

Professional sport is a business. Clubs earn money from sponsors, ticket sales, tv rights, results bonuses etc etc. These will be different for the men’s and women’s games. For example, FIFA had difficulties selling the TV rights for this ladies World Cup, yet no such issue with the men’s game.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

The minute the women’s game attracts major sponsorship and television deals like the men’s game then I’ll say yes. As it currently stands the answer is no, why should they?

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

Its the same as the premiership and the conference leagues the quality of the game you watch dictates the wage

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Yep. Bring the men's wages down to match the women's

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By *ik MMan over a year ago

Lancashire

"Yep. Bring the men's wages down to match the women's

Great idea - let’s help the oligarch that owns the big club to get even richer. Knock down the guy who’s making the most of his talents in a limited timescale so his employer can buy a new yacht - you couldn’t make it up

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By *ingu and The ApeCouple over a year ago

The Igloo

plus 8 yes 8 luxury cars and a 25 bed mansion.i realy hope the mens game falls on it ass as it an absolute joke what these ppl are taking home for kicking a bag of wind around a pitch"

The Saudis have thrown their oil money about and signed players on ridiculous contracts. Got a feeling the Saudi leagues will collapse for one of two reasons.

1. All these high paid players have gone to one team. That team will win all matches, with high scores every game. The other teams will lose fans and collapse taking the league with them.

2. The players are spread about most of the teams. The expensive strikers won’t get the service to score from less skilled Saudi players, throw a tantrum and leave. Interest will be lost and the league will fold.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Yep. Bring the men's wages down to match the women's

I was joking

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By *usie pTV/TS over a year ago

taunton

No way those girls should be on at least twice as much as the guys, they are running around and working a lot more than the men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's self-perpetuating. If the ratings rise, the cash will go to the clubs and the transfer fees and wages will rise. If it was about hard work then nurses working through covid should be on 100k a week

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"The minute the women’s game attracts major sponsorship and television deals like the men’s game then I’ll say yes. As it currently stands the answer is no, why should they? "

WSL is sponsored by Barclays Bank, Nike and EA Sports. How much bigger do you want?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who organises the football.. FIFA now they as organised owner they have billions of money. Sorry but its run by men which is sexist.. About time I ran FIFA and showed the world how corrupt they really are.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple over a year ago

Leeds

No, have you seen the state of women’s football, I’ve seen better play in the Sunday pub league.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not against women’s football, I hope they do well, but it’s a shower of shit to watch.

The mr

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By *ingo00Man over a year ago

Cowley

"I think if you were to look at this fairly, male footballers are probably underpaid compared to women, considering the amount of revenue they generate relative to what they are paid.

Got any stats to back that up that fairness?

Admittedly it was an Instagram vide so it may be bollocks

it apparently works out that revenue to payout the women earn 20% of the tournament revenue, the men 7%.

The total revenue of the events are massively different though, the last Men's world cup generated 6,314 million dollars where-as the last women's world cup generated 766 million dollars.

Based on those figures, women's earnings totalled 153 million dollars where as the men's earnings totalled 442 million dollars... that's nearly three times more."

So they earned 3 times more despite generating nearly 10 times more. If we are asking for equality should the men receive a 20% split of the revenue like their female counterparts?

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By *ingo00Man over a year ago

Cowley

Sorry I realise my current reply sounds very anti. I'm not, I hope women's football continues it's current growth in popularity and quality, it would be fantastic for all girls to have the same opportunity to earn untold wealth from something they love! At the moment mens football has had a 100 year headstart, it will get there in time, hopefully a bit quicker!

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By *opinovMan over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

Yes. However, that's not to say anyone should be paid the obscene amounts paid to some of the men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just read £217k will be paid to the winners each.

The mens pay goes much higher.

FIFA made £5.7bn last year on world cup.

Yet they wanted to boycott womens games being shown by bbc and itv who had to bid £10m and £11m

How much did we give FIFA?

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By *annibal_LickedherMan over a year ago

The Side of the Mersey

Not really. It’s entertainment so pay should be proportional to the level of popularity.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"The minute the women’s game attracts major sponsorship and television deals like the men’s game then I’ll say yes. As it currently stands the answer is no, why should they?

WSL is sponsored by Barclays Bank, Nike and EA Sports. How much bigger do you want?"

Big names yes. And what sponsorship deal did they negotiate in monetary terms?

The deal brokered probably suits the return they’d get from their investment. Hence why women aren’t paid the same as the blokes.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan over a year ago

Okehampton

It’s best to think of football players as “consultants” rather than “employees”, contracts can be terminated at a whim (based on performance) and are all for a limited contract length with performance related bonuses.

This means that it is the player (and their agent) who effectively set the terms of their initial contract (a contract which can then be bought and sold by other teams whilst still valid or “open”).

If female football players set their initial market value, then it is up to the team to decide whether to pay for that “consultant” or not.

Otherwise you would need to equalise pay across all the leagues (male and female), which would probably lead to the collapse of “professional” football.

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

As long as the fans pay and not speak or act for change, then this will always be the way.

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

Chesterfield

It’s a business decision. But I do believe the men are overpaid.

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

"The minute the women’s game attracts major sponsorship and television deals like the men’s game then I’ll say yes. As it currently stands the answer is no, why should they?

WSL is sponsored by Barclays Bank, Nike and EA Sports. How much bigger do you want?"

How much are they sponsoring is the real question

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

I haven't read the thread but my first thought is they are entertainers, so no, there shouldn't be automatic parity.

The more entertaining people think an act is, the more they will pay to see it. More income, more pay.

Gbat

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Sorry I realise my current reply sounds very anti. I'm not, I hope women's football continues it's current growth in popularity and quality, it would be fantastic for all girls to have the same opportunity to earn untold wealth from something they love! At the moment mens football has had a 100 year headstart, it will get there in time, hopefully a bit quicker! "

People forget about the headstart for men, and WHY women didn't get to play football properly for so long. Men banned women from playing in 1921. Men could therefore perhaps give women a leg back up?

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS over a year ago

stockport

The Premiership generates a vast amount of income for the clubs from Sky etc so it's no wonder the players and their agents want a slice of the cake.

Women's football unfortunately doesn't and that's where the argument for equality flounders.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"The minute the women’s game attracts major sponsorship and television deals like the men’s game then I’ll say yes. As it currently stands the answer is no, why should they?

WSL is sponsored by Barclays Bank, Nike and EA Sports. How much bigger do you want?

How much are they sponsoring is the real question "

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

Broadcasting deals with Sky, BBC, Sky Deutschland, DAZN, ESPN, Star+, Sportsnet, NENT and CBS.

So broadcast far and wide too.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Go and read about how Colombian clubs rearranged their football affairs to afford some level of parity to women.

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

Presume everyone who’s been watching the women’s World Cup will also be watching the women’s premier league every week and the women’s champions league? Perhaps also going to games?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Presume everyone who’s been watching the women’s World Cup will also be watching the women’s premier league every week and the women’s champions league? Perhaps also going to games? "

I watch, yes. I struggle with getting to games of any football nowadays due to needing disabled access. Tickets are limited and often too stressful to get hold of. I used to attend football matches regularly, before my disability, including a long spell as a season ticket holder at Tranmere Rovers.

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

"Presume everyone who’s been watching the women’s World Cup will also be watching the women’s premier league every week and the women’s champions league? Perhaps also going to games?

That wasn’t a question aimed at you. Most of the people watching the women’s World Cup won’t be tuning into the clubs games every week and attending games.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I also played football as a child, in a mixed team. On the stroke of my 11th birthday, I was ditched and told I could no longer play or train alongside the boys. FA rules. There were no girls teams locally and so I stopped playing, other than with my Dad/brother. This was similar for girls across the UK for a very long time.

When the fucking RULES (made by men) stop you from participating, how in the name of god do people expect women to now pick up the pace and improve???? Someone, somewhere, will have to pour in some money (which is now happening, but it needs to increase).

It's fantastic to see local girls teams full and actually over subscribed in some cases. However, there is still a lack of investment to bring on the best talent in a properly professional manner, especially outside of the top few WSL teams.

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By *oaming doggerMan over a year ago

manchester

I think it should be a % of income/turn over.

Lets say saka earns 0.5% of arsenals mens team income, then the ladies teams top earner/performer should earn 0.5% of their income.

If it comes to the mens game subsidising the womens game to give equal pay, the owners would just pull the womens teams

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By *aucasian GhandiMan over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

Decrease the men's, give it to the woman

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I think it should be a % of income/turn over.

Lets say saka earns 0.5% of arsenals mens team income, then the ladies teams top earner/performer should earn 0.5% of their income.

If it comes to the mens game subsidising the womens game to give equal pay, the owners would just pull the womens teams"

It doesn't work like that in men's football, for Saka or anyone else. They individually negotiate a contract, salary and bonuses with their club, usually via an agent.

The parity of payment and bonuses argument at the moment is mainly about representation at national level. Women's salaries at club level are similarly individually negotiated.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

"Presume everyone who’s been watching the women’s World Cup will also be watching the women’s premier league every week and the women’s champions league? Perhaps also going to games?

That wasn’t a question aimed at you. Most of the people watching the women’s World Cup won’t be tuning into the clubs games every week and attending games. "

Indeed. For the masses, it's nothing but a trend/phase/pass time because it's cool. And the only reason they consider it cool right now is one of two things.

1. Because everyone else is

2. Because they are winning - if the women's team were giving piss poor results we wouldn't even be in this current conversation.

I don't really care about football at all, men or women. I have no stake in the fight. But it's quite blatant to see why it's suddenly "popular" to the masses (obviously there are always fans of it prior to current situation)

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I think it should be a % of income/turn over.

Lets say saka earns 0.5% of arsenals mens team income, then the ladies teams top earner/performer should earn 0.5% of their income.

If it comes to the mens game subsidising the womens game to give equal pay, the owners would just pull the womens teams"

Man U refused to have a women's team during the Ferguson era, because he didn't want money diverting away from his precious class of '92. Twat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

That's about half of what Man City pay Kevin De Bruyne

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By *oaming doggerMan over a year ago

manchester

"I think it should be a % of income/turn over.

Lets say saka earns 0.5% of arsenals mens team income, then the ladies teams top earner/performer should earn 0.5% of their income.

If it comes to the mens game subsidising the womens game to give equal pay, the owners would just pull the womens teams

It doesn't work like that in men's football, for Saka or anyone else. They individually negotiate a contract, salary and bonuses with their club, usually via an agent.

The parity of payment and bonuses argument at the moment is mainly about representation at national level. Women's salaries at club level are similarly individually negotiated."

I know thats not how it currently works, it is just a way to allow comparitable equal pay between both sides of the clubs

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

That's about half of what Man City pay Kevin De Bruyne"

That's lovely for Kevin De Bruyne but utterly irrelevant to women's pay and bonuses at national level. Or frankly, club pay for women either. Man City owners could afford to pay everyone millions and millions and still have change for a coffee and a bun.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

That's about half of what Man City pay Kevin De Bruyne

He did that to highlight how paltry the sponsorship money the women game earned was in proportion to the mens

Which is the only stat that matters in this mess of a thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The short answer is no. The long answer is also no.

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

Cmon the swedish women's team are well worth a rise

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For international football? Yes. Do they get paid? Ben Foster spoke about it but I can’t remember

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For international football? Yes. Do they get paid? Ben Foster spoke about it but I can’t remember"

The men’s team donate all their wages to charity but I don’t think they get paid that much compared to club level.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

What people need to do first is be clear if they are referring to club or international football.

Obviously nobody in their right mind could be referring to the former because a) every player is paid a different amount anyway and b) its generally based on their worth to the club

In the case of the latter, they are paid a set match fee, which is generally a pittance in comparison to their club salaries. In varies between international federations but a match fee of 10k would be close enough example. As i said, a relative pittance for these players. I think englands players havent accepted their fees in years and instead they go straight to a charity.

Should their female counterparts be paid the same? Possibly, as we are talking about fees here,and given the tiny nature of them, could probably be easily arranged. On the flip side, international federations are still businesses which need to generate income, and the vast majority of this income will come from the mens game. So if you look at it in a cold capitalist way, then no they shouldn't get the same match fees as the men

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big business isn't stupid, it'll soon cough up more money for clubs and therefore players otherwise other businesses will get in on the act.

There is no divine right to money, these are not normal jobs. What the women must do is keep lobbying to play in the bigger stadiums. Chelsea playing at Stamford Bridge will be seen but playing at Kingsmeadow they will not.

It simply is not about percentages, it is about business

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In my opinion the women’s game will never have the same revenue as the men’s until more women start following football. If they followed in the same numbers that men follow the men’s game then the clubs would have no choice but to offer similar wages.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

That's about half of what Man City pay Kevin De Bruyne

He did that to highlight how paltry the sponsorship money the women game earned was in proportion to the mens

Which is the only stat that matters in this mess of a thread"

??Exactly the point.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

That's about half of what Man City pay Kevin De Bruyne

He did that to highlight how paltry the sponsorship money the women game earned was in proportion to the mens

Which is the only stat that matters in this mess of a thread"

Kevin De Bruyne's (or anyone else's) wages are totally irrelevant to the sponsorship of a league. Premier League sponsors don't sponsor it because Player X is paid Y. They sponsor it because their brand will be splattered all over the place and, if you are the likes of Budweiser, you associate yourself with sport. Sport is good. Sport is healthy. Ergo beer is good and healthy. See also: Coca-Cola and the Euro football tournaments.

At international level, professional female players sacrifice just as much as the men, to train, to play all the qualifiers all over the place, to be away playing in a tournament for however long they remain in it (to the bitter end, in this case). If they score or save a penalty or whatever, it takes just as much skill when competing against other women. Why should international appearance fees and bonuses for things like actually winning, scoring etc be different?

The men donate their international appearance fees nowadays because they are all so obscenely rich that they don't even notice it. The same cannot be said of women playing professional football.

Why do men feel the need to continue to lord it over the women? Why the need to kick down and criticise so? It was the MEN of the FA, in 1921, who banned women from playing! Prior to that, women's football had been just as popular, if not more popular, than men's football.

I read an article last night which explained that, because women play on the same size pitch, with the same size goal and the same size/weight of ball, but women are, on average, significantly shorter, lighter, run slower, jump less high etc, women are actually working HARDER than the average male player, to keep on running for 90+ mins and to get the ball into the back of the net.

"The researchers start from the observation that women are physically different from men in many ways. Women are shorter than men (168cm v 182cm in a Norwegian sample). Female footballers are lighter (65kg v 76kg). Women are slower (4.84 seconds to run 30 metres, v 4.25), and cannot jump as high (36cm v 57cm). Those differences persist even among the most athletic members of each sex.

The researchers then try to scale the size of a football pitch to account for those anthropometric differences. A pitch that was the same relative size for women as it is for men would, they say, be 93 metres long and 61 metres wide, down from the current recommended dimensions of 105 metres x 68 metres (see table).

Nor is it just the pitch. Shorter female keepers can cover a smaller part of the goal than a man can. To achieve parity between the sexes, the women’s goal, say the researchers, should be shrunk from 7.32 metres wide and 2.44 metres high to 6.76 metres across and 2.25 metres high. Even the ball would change: taking account of women’s lower leg strength would require a ball weighing 287 grams, rather than the 430-grams of a standard male ball (though that would alter how the ball behaves in flight). Put another way, say the researchers, expecting women to play with a men’s ball is a bit like asking men to kick a 623-gram basketball-sized sphere around."

In fact, no-one realistically wants to actually change the pitch or goal size for women, though there's an argument to consider the weight of the ball. We know that male pro footballers are at massively increased risk of dementia, due to heading the ball etc. Women's skulls are generally thinner and smaller, so the proportionally heavier ball may pose greater risk for women developing dementia in the future. Of course, no-one really knows anything about this risk, because it's too early in mass participation of women to have any data, really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I heard that woman actually gets more as a percentage of the revenue as men do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It will never be equal case closed.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"It will never be equal case closed. "

Life will never be equal.

*Heads back to kitchen sink*

[Insert further stereotypes here]

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By *ubforspanksMan over a year ago

Sefton

Pay the men the same as the women, it's ridiculous the amount the men get paid ,

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Pay the men the same as the women, it's ridiculous the amount the men get paid , "

But. But. Who's going to buy all the designer tat and stupid bespoke Bentleys?

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

Total sponsorship worth $14.72 million apparently.

That's about half of what Man City pay Kevin De Bruyne

He did that to highlight how paltry the sponsorship money the women game earned was in proportion to the mens

Which is the only stat that matters in this mess of a thread

The men donate their international appearance fees nowadays because they are all so obscenely rich that they don't even notice it. The same cannot be said of women playing professional football.

Youre not getting this at all are you. Kevin de bruynes wages were only put out there to give an idea of scale, highlighting the difference in sponsorship amounts. The mens game dwarfs the womens game when it comes to this. And sponsorship money, along with tv deal money is why club salaries in the mens game are astronomical

Why are you even going on about the club game anyway? Thats not the subject of the equal pay debate. It relates to the international game where fees are paid per match.

As for you 'why do men feel the need to lord it over women' garbage, well now you just sound like a mindless misandrist feminist

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

"I was listening to something interesting about it and they were talking about womens football, like why they dont earn the same like what the men do.

Another thing was about the sponsors, as few people are watching it, the less sponsors there are, which means you earn less.

What is your view about it, do you agree wit those points and will we ever see equal pay in football? I hope we will see it one day

I don’t like football (unpopular opinion I know) men should get the same as women. It’s ridiculous how much they get paid (again my opinion) but you can’t blame the players, blame the game.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

As for you 'why do men feel the need to lord it over women' garbage, well now you just sound like a mindless misandrist feminist"

Yes, I am terribly sorry sir. So sorry. Forgive me. I am just a weak and feeble minded woman. You are quite right. Sir. Mr. Etc.

Honestly

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

This whole topic fecking well infuriates me.

The 11yo me has never actually got over the complete, total and overnight rejection of the sport I loved playing, and played well. Purely because of rules made by men, in 1921.

So, if that makes me a mindless misandrist feminist, then good. Great. Wonderful. I am. I'll get it printed on a fucking t-shirt and I'll wear it to work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

5 premier league men's players would beat an 11 aside top women's team that's how different the standard is. It really dont compare.

I agree the money is sickening but that's it.

The standard is just so far superior in the men's game.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For international football? Yes. Do they get paid? Ben Foster spoke about it but I can’t remember

The men’s team donate all their wages to charity but I don’t think they get paid that much compared to club level."

Ah. I think whatever the men get paid the women should be paid the same.

It’s difficult with club football because of the private ownership and the money put into it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This whole topic fecking well infuriates me.

The 11yo me has never actually got over the complete, total and overnight rejection of the sport I loved playing, and played well. Purely because of rules made by men, in 1921.

So, if that makes me a mindless misandrist feminist, then good. Great. Wonderful. I am. I'll get it printed on a fucking t-shirt and I'll wear it to work. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Need some shin pads in here

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"5 premier league men's players would beat an 11 aside top women's team that's how different the standard is. It really dont compare.

I agree the money is sickening but that's it.

The standard is just so far superior in the men's game. "

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By *ubforspanksMan over a year ago

Sefton

Pay the men the same as the women, it's ridiculous the amount the men get paid ,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For international football? Yes. Do they get paid? Ben Foster spoke about it but I can’t remember

The men’s team donate all their wages to charity but I don’t think they get paid that much compared to club level.

Ah. I think whatever the men get paid the women should be paid the same.

It’s difficult with club football because of the private ownership and the money put into it"

I agree in international football as they’re paid by the same federation. I am proud that Newcastle United made their women’s team the first full time profession team in WSL history but until they can get the same attendances and make the product look more attractive to a TV audience they can’t possibly receive similar wages. It just doesn’t make sense from a business perspective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Revenue for WSL was £32m the season before last.

Southampton got £100m prize money for finishing bottom last season.

There's a good argument for spreading the money around more.

It'll fall on deaf ears

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

Good! They've worked bloody hard to achieve it.

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?"

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs. "

I think they are paid what they demand and overly wealthy owners are willing to throw at them for the glory.

Money at the top of football is obscene and it's actually harming the game at the bottom of the footballing tree.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was listening to something interesting about it and they were talking about womens football, like why they dont earn the same like what the men do.

Another thing was about the sponsors, as few people are watching it, the less sponsors there are, which means you earn less.

What is your view about it, do you agree wit those points and will we ever see equal pay in football? I hope we will see it one day

It's all about supply and demand shag.

The demand for the mens game is so much more than the women's game.

When the demand becomes equal then there will be equal pay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs.

I think they are paid what they demand and overly wealthy owners are willing to throw at them for the glory.

Money at the top of football is obscene and it's actually harming the game at the bottom of the footballing tree. "

There’s a lot of truth to that but if they weren’t worth it the clubs wouldn’t pay. We see it all the time with players demanding too much so they’re sold.

Everyone in the country wants to see the best players playing in England and for that to continue the clubs have to keep paying top wages.

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By *ingo00Man over a year ago

Cowley

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs.

I think they are paid what they demand and overly wealthy owners are willing to throw at them for the glory.

Money at the top of football is obscene and it's actually harming the game at the bottom of the footballing tree. "

That's just simple market forces. If more people watch, buy merchandise, subscriptions tickets to watch, why shouldn't the people that make the product receive a share of that? And does it really harm the bottom of the tree (although arguably women's football isn't the bottom of the tree, the super league is the same sporting level as the Premier league)? I know that currently my clubs women's team is subsidised by the club, it made a 1.8m operating loss last year.

I truly believe given time this will change, with more exposure, the next generation of young women participating and having role models to go and watch and support, things will only change for the better

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs.

I think they are paid what they demand and overly wealthy owners are willing to throw at them for the glory.

Money at the top of football is obscene and it's actually harming the game at the bottom of the footballing tree.

Re: the Prem and its impact on the men's lower footballing tree:

Title: Expect inflated transfer market to increasingly impact on lower league clubs, says football expert

Author: Trevor Watkins of Pinsent Masons

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By *ingo00Man over a year ago

Cowley

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs.

I think they are paid what they demand and overly wealthy owners are willing to throw at them for the glory.

Money at the top of football is obscene and it's actually harming the game at the bottom of the footballing tree.

Re: the Prem and its impact on the men's lower footballing tree:

Title: Expect inflated transfer market to increasingly impact on lower league clubs, says football expert

Author: Trevor Watkins of Pinsent Masons"

Thank you I'll have a read, I thought the discussion was pay disparity between mens and womens football?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"England mens players get £2000 per game and give to charity. England’s women players have made £24,000 from the World Cup and will be paid £213,000 each by the FA if they win it

And how much a week do top players get paid?

The argument against footballers wages is ridiculous. They are paid what they are worth to their clubs.

I think they are paid what they demand and overly wealthy owners are willing to throw at them for the glory.

Money at the top of football is obscene and it's actually harming the game at the bottom of the footballing tree.

Re: the Prem and its impact on the men's lower footballing tree:

Title: Expect inflated transfer market to increasingly impact on lower league clubs, says football expert

Author: Trevor Watkins of Pinsent Masons

Thank you I'll have a read, I thought the discussion was pay disparity between mens and womens football? "

It has, as often happens, diverged.

However, I think there's plenty of evidence that obscene money being spaffed around at the top of the Prem, by a relatively small number of clubs owned by offshore people, is harming ALL of football below it. Men's and women's.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5 premier league men's players would beat an 11 aside top women's team that's how different the standard is. It really dont compare.

I agree the money is sickening but that's it.

The standard is just so far superior in the men's game.

It doesn't matter about the standard. It doesn't matter who works hardest either. It's the ratings. When womens tennis was getting higher ratings in the mid-90s and Mens tennis was on the wane, the big boys took notice. People were watching more womens tennis so the money followed. Hard work, standards, achievement, integrity, loyalty matters not.

This is why onlyfans models earn more then nurses through covid

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"5 premier league men's players would beat an 11 aside top women's team that's how different the standard is. It really dont compare.

I agree the money is sickening but that's it.

The standard is just so far superior in the men's game.

This is why onlyfans models earn more then nurses through covid "

Did (do) the women tennis players not work just as hard as the men? And I'm sure male OnlyFans creators work just as hard as the female ones. Their revenue might not be matched, but they presumably put in as much effort.

Very few employment choices are renumerated based on effort put in. If it did, lots of people would earn absolutely fuck all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5 premier league men's players would beat an 11 aside top women's team that's how different the standard is. It really dont compare.

I agree the money is sickening but that's it.

The standard is just so far superior in the men's game.

This is why onlyfans models earn more then nurses through covid

Very few employment choices are renumerated based on effort put in. If it did, lots of people would earn absolutely fuck all. "

I thought that was my point but maybe I didn't put it right. Basically people can watch things for all sorts of reasons but it's all about the numbers at the end of the day. More ratings means more club money means bigger transfer fees, wages, bonuses, release clauses etc

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really. "

What was the question?

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?"

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day? "

Who said they don’t get paid? The question is about equal pay. Man U or any Prem club that would lose to a low team in the FA Cup would also lose their bonuses tied into their contracts for progressing deep into those cup comps.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day? "

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for? "

Id pay double to watch Man Utd lose to anyone

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

Do they get paid any less the week they lose to an "inferior" team? No. You don't lose bonuses. You win bonuses if you achieve targets. England Women's team are dead on hitting their targets. When the players hit THE target, and there are goal scoring bonuses for that, why is a goal scored by Ella Toone worth less of the FA's money, than a goal scored by Phil Foden? Ella has to overcome the opposition players in the women's game. Phil has to overcome the opposition players in the men's game. Whether Ella could score against a male keeper or Phil could score against a female keeper, is irrelevant.

You don't win bonuses for achieving something that was never set out or expected of you. The women's game is not the same as the men's game. It's a different set of clubs, different people, different physiology.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a difficult question.

Theoretically it's a yes.

In practice, it's just not feasible currently. Where is the money to pay equal wages for an inferior sporting product?

In order for female athletes/sports-people to be paid the same, the product needs to be on the same level (both from a marketing and a quality perspective).

This isn't to say, women's sport isn't still a very entertaining product, but it isn't anywhere close enough to the men's product equivalent in popularity.

Until that changes, I'd say it's very unlikely that it would happen and honestly, it's understandably disappointing.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for? "

According to Rex, the fact that Wrexham (men) beat a women's team 12-0 justifies the men earning more. My point is that just because Team A beats Team B, does not dictate if the players are paid or paid more/less.

Football players are paid fixed amounts for appearing in football matches for their club/country. They receive specific, pre agreed bonuses for achieving set targets, such as progressing to X round of a cup competition; winning the Champions League or scoring goals. Who they beat or lose to makes no difference to the appearance fees. Not scoring, not progressing to the right stage of a competition means not achieving the bonus or bonuses.

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really. "

Amen to that. I'm with ya

Like I said there is no comparison in worldwide investment and influence to be equal.

The standard is worlds apart.

This woman needs to

Go search two crystal palace players zaha and bolasie ripping apart a whole team of 11 with ease.

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

Hence why they get paid less

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

" In order for female athletes/sports-people to be paid the same, the product needs to be on the same level (both from a marketing and a quality perspective).

Women are, on average, smaller, lighter, less strong than average men. Women's sport will ALWAYS be different. How does that justify paying them less?

These arguments were the same ones made against equal pay for women and men in general workforce

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By *o new WinksMan over a year ago

BSE

Didn't the Aussie national female team lose to a boys team a few years ago?

Something similar has been argued about the WNBA who were asking for equal % of pay from revenue as the men got.

Turns out that if they were to get a similar pay ratio they would each owe the NBA (who subsidise the womens league) $85000.

Fees for performing for the national team have always been a token gesture because the honour should be reason enough to play for your country.

Or am I being old fashioned.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Why are we expecting the impossible??????

Women sprint 100m slower than men. They still run 100m.

Women run the marathon more slowly. They still run 26.2 miles.

Should the female athletes earn less than the men?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are we expecting the impossible??????

Women sprint 100m slower than men. They still run 100m.

Women run the marathon more slowly. They still run 26.2 miles.

Should the female athletes earn less than the men?"

I’d rather watch Serena than anyone else and I’ve been just as excited to watch Shelly Ann run (and win) as I am for Usain.

If we’re being all feminist about it, go on then, pay them the same

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing. "

Clearly the argument hes making is that the quality of the womens game is far lower than the mens, hence the difference in popularity and subsequently pay.

Discuss equal match fees at international level if you like, but there is zero argument at club level

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They don't bring in as much revenue so no they shouldn't.

If they ever do make as much then yes they should.

Mrs "

Exactly. Why is this even a question

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Why are we expecting the impossible??????

Women sprint 100m slower than men. They still run 100m.

Women run the marathon more slowly. They still run 26.2 miles.

Should the female athletes earn less than the men?

I’d rather watch Serena than anyone else and I’ve been just as excited to watch Shelly Ann run (and win) as I am for Usain.

If we’re being all feminist about it, go on then, pay them the same

No you wouldn't. Stop lying

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Women's football will never be as fast. Women run more slowly.

Women goalkeepers cannot jump as high. They are shorter, but the goal is the same size.

Female players will need greater stamina, compared to men, to continue to run for 90+ minutes on a pitch of the same size.

Women's football comes with far less petulant crap, far less abuse of officials, far fewer fistie-cuffs, far less rolling round on the floor like a person who's been shot, far less unsporting behaviour and guess what? At the women's world cup, supporters have not smashed up bars, have not fought each other in the streets, have not got themselves arrested en mass, all things which have afflicted the game played by "gentlemen" for many years.

If you want to watch people just play pure, simple football, women's football is a good shout. It's also a pretty bolted on safe environment to take your kids. There are several football league clubs that my Dad refused to take me to, because he felt it to be unsafe. Specifically, Millwall, Cardiff and Swansea. At Leeds United, I experienced hooliganism in action and had to put my son on my shoulders and run for it. This does not happen in the women's game.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are we expecting the impossible??????

Women sprint 100m slower than men. They still run 100m.

Women run the marathon more slowly. They still run 26.2 miles.

Should the female athletes earn less than the men?

I’d rather watch Serena than anyone else and I’ve been just as excited to watch Shelly Ann run (and win) as I am for Usain.

If we’re being all feminist about it, go on then, pay them the same

No you wouldn't. Stop lying"

You’ve clearly never met me so you have no idea how much I love Shelly Anne Fraser Pryce. But she is the goat and I am 100% as excited to watch her run as much as Usain.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Why are we expecting the impossible??????

Women sprint 100m slower than men. They still run 100m.

Women run the marathon more slowly. They still run 26.2 miles.

Should the female athletes earn less than the men?

I’d rather watch Serena than anyone else and I’ve been just as excited to watch Shelly Ann run (and win) as I am for Usain.

If we’re being all feminist about it, go on then, pay them the same

No you wouldn't. Stop lying"

Please answer the question. Should female runners earn less than men because they cannot offer the same "quality", i.e. they are inferior. Slower?

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Women's football will never be as fast. Women run more slowly.

Women goalkeepers cannot jump as high. They are shorter, but the goal is the same size.

Female players will need greater stamina, compared to men, to continue to run for 90+ minutes on a pitch of the same size.

And yet still the mens game is infinitely more popular than the womens game.

Why are you arguing with reality?

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Why are we expecting the impossible??????

Women sprint 100m slower than men. They still run 100m.

Women run the marathon more slowly. They still run 26.2 miles.

Should the female athletes earn less than the men?

I’d rather watch Serena than anyone else and I’ve been just as excited to watch Shelly Ann run (and win) as I am for Usain.

If we’re being all feminist about it, go on then, pay them the same

No you wouldn't. Stop lying

Please answer the question. Should female runners earn less than men because they cannot offer the same "quality", i.e. they are inferior. Slower?"

I dont know how pay is structured in athletics. Are all men paid the same? Presumably not? So what men are you on about?

Is their pay linked to the interest they create? If so, do women athletes generate as much interest as men?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Women's football will never be as fast. Women run more slowly.

Women goalkeepers cannot jump as high. They are shorter, but the goal is the same size.

Female players will need greater stamina, compared to men, to continue to run for 90+ minutes on a pitch of the same size.

And yet still the mens game is infinitely more popular than the womens game.

Why are you arguing with reality? "

Because all of the same arguments about speed, quality, value and all sorts were made for years and years by (men) people who justified paying women less than men for the same or comparable jobs. Either one can accept the unacceptable, or one can say something about it.

Let us take two Team GB sprinters. Jane and John. They are representing Team GB at the Olympics. Jane wins the women's 200m in a new world record time. John win's the men's 200m in world record time.

Should Jane and John receive identical appearance fees?

Should Jane and John receive identical "got a new WR" bonuses?

Does it matter that in the men's 200m final, Jane would have come last out of the 8 competitors?

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing. "

No, Rex’s point is you’re paid on your level of performance. When the women’s standard of football improves to the point we’re they can at least give their male counterparts a game then this is when you’ll expect to see equal pay in the women’s game. The mighty Wrexham who are in the fourth tier of English football (their stand not great but not too shabby) totally dismissed a team of women who if you watch their pre match interviews by the way were embarrassingly serious when they said they’d turn Wrexham over.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Women's football will never be as fast. Women run more slowly.

Women goalkeepers cannot jump as high. They are shorter, but the goal is the same size.

Female players will need greater stamina, compared to men, to continue to run for 90+ minutes on a pitch of the same size.

And yet still the mens game is infinitely more popular than the womens game.

Why are you arguing with reality?

Let us take two Team GB sprinters. Jane and John. They are representing Team GB at the Olympics. Jane wins the women's 200m in a new world record time. John win's the men's 200m in world record time.

Should Jane and John receive identical appearance fees?

Should Jane and John receive identical "got a new WR" bonuses?

Does it matter that in the men's 200m final, Jane would have come last out of the 8 competitors? "

Sigh. Once again, as ive already said several time, if you're talking appearance fees at international level then there may be an argument for equal fees as they are simply representing their country.

At club level or whatever that is in athletics, there is clearly no argument as salary is driven by a multitude of other factors, mostly how many people want to watch you perform

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed."

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings.

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By *valanche1001Man over a year ago

Leeds

Yes! The insane salaries of the male footballers should be brought down to parity with the ladies. I mean you’re kicking a bag of air around a field, not saving lives or anything!

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings. "

And im willing to wager the difference in popularity between mens and womens equestrian is next to zero, hence why the winnings pot offered up are the same.

How can you not get this?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Women's football will never be as fast. Women run more slowly.

Women goalkeepers cannot jump as high. They are shorter, but the goal is the same size.

Female players will need greater stamina, compared to men, to continue to run for 90+ minutes on a pitch of the same size.

And yet still the mens game is infinitely more popular than the womens game.

Why are you arguing with reality?

Let us take two Team GB sprinters. Jane and John. They are representing Team GB at the Olympics. Jane wins the women's 200m in a new world record time. John win's the men's 200m in world record time.

Should Jane and John receive identical appearance fees?

Should Jane and John receive identical "got a new WR" bonuses?

Does it matter that in the men's 200m final, Jane would have come last out of the 8 competitors?

At club level or whatever that is in athletics, there is clearly no argument as salary is driven by a multitude of other factors, mostly how many people want to watch you perform "

"There may be an argument". Only may??? Here, everyone, is the problem. Not MAY be an argument. It should be beyond doubt that Jane and John are rewarded equally for winning their respective races and receive identical bonuses for beating the world record. It is utterly irrelevant that Jane would not compete against John and achieve a similar time, nor is it relevant that every single man in the men's 200m ran faster than she did. Because they're completely different events.

Women's football and men's football are different events.

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

At international level sure pay the same if it’s £2000 per match. It’s a nominal amount for representing your country

At club level it’s all about revenue so there’s no chance. It’s as simple as that tbh

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings. "

Sponsors will not pay big contracts out knowing they’re not going to get a return on their investment, it’s really that simple.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Yes! The insane salaries of the male footballers should be brought down to parity with the ladies. I mean you’re kicking a bag of air around a field, not saving lives or anything! "

Ah so youre talking about dragging them down so to the level of the women? For what reason exactly? How will that benefit women?

And all that lovely millions and millions that club owners save then by paying the men a fraction of what they used to earn,where do you think that goes then? They'll give it all to charity im sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I for one didn’t see this thread going like this. Absolutely shocked. Lost for words.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings.

And im willing to wager the difference in popularity between mens and womens equestrian is next to zero, hence why the winnings pot offered up are the same.

How can you not get this? "

There's no such thing as "mens" or "womens" equestrian sport. It's just equestrian sport. Men and women compete against each other as equals. There's absolutely no gender based separation. Whoever wins, wins the 1st prize fund. Whoever comes 2nd wins the second prize fund. Most high level equestrian people are supported by sponsors, but there are no gender differences in who sponsors support because much of the sponsorship is for things for the horse, e.g. food, supplements, tack etc.

Horse racing is the only fucking weird equestrian sport where women weren't invited on an equal basis, for reasons I've never understood (apart from sexism).

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By *ohntall123Man over a year ago

Biggleswade

They should get equal pay ,

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"At international level sure pay the same if it’s £2000 per match. It’s a nominal amount for representing your country

At club level it’s all about revenue so there’s no chance. It’s as simple as that tbh "

The appearance fee is the same, but the bonuses are not. A goal by Ella is not worth the same as a goal by Phil. That's the source of the ongoing dispute between the England Women's Football team, and the English FA.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings.

And im willing to wager the difference in popularity between mens and womens equestrian is next to zero, hence why the winnings pot offered up are the same.

How can you not get this?

Horse racing is the only fucking weird equestrian sport where women weren't invited on an equal basis, for reasons I've never understood (apart from sexism)."

Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings.

And im willing to wager the difference in popularity between mens and womens equestrian is next to zero, hence why the winnings pot offered up are the same.

How can you not get this?

Horse racing is the only fucking weird equestrian sport where women weren't invited on an equal basis, for reasons I've never understood (apart from sexism).

Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then? "

My words were "We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings."

But you went ahead and assumed men and women were treated differently in equestrian sports to. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I mean Wrexham beat a US women’s ‘soccer’ team 12-0 so there’s your answer really.

What was the question?

Equal pay. You pay for what you get

When a Prem club gets beaten by a League Two club in the FA Cup, do the Prem team members not get paid then?

When Man U lose to Luton Town, do the Man U players not get paid for that day?

How is that even an equivalent? Nobody is saying people shouldnt be paid.

Do you even know what you're arguing for?

My point is that Wrexham (men) beating a women's team is irrelevant as to how much that women's team are paid for playing.

This isn’t a dig at women but the answer really is in front of you. Some people just don’t want the elephant in the room being addressed.

In what other sport do women "give their male counterparts a game"?

We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings.

And im willing to wager the difference in popularity between mens and womens equestrian is next to zero, hence why the winnings pot offered up are the same.

How can you not get this?

Horse racing is the only fucking weird equestrian sport where women weren't invited on an equal basis, for reasons I've never understood (apart from sexism).

Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then?

My words were "We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings."

But you went ahead and assumed men and women were treated differently in equestrian sports to. A Freudian slip, perhaps? "

No, i just simply misread your comment.

Are you constantly spoiling for a fight like this in your daily life too?

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

"At international level sure pay the same if it’s £2000 per match. It’s a nominal amount for representing your country

At club level it’s all about revenue so there’s no chance. It’s as simple as that tbh

There’s a huge gap between the top end of the mens game and the top end of the women’s game in regards to quality. It’s not close. There’s also a huge gap in interest. So I can see why this exists. It’s really a dispute about gender pay and nothing to do with sport

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

" Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then?

My words were "We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings."

But you went ahead and assumed men and women were treated differently in equestrian sports to. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

No, i just simply misread your comment.

Are you constantly spoiling for a fight like this in your daily life too? "

Women do not fight. We are demur and deferent. I endeavour not to make eye contact and always roll a step behind, as is customary for the unfortunate possessors of the double-X genotype.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

" Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then?

My words were "We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings."

But you went ahead and assumed men and women were treated differently in equestrian sports to. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

No, i just simply misread your comment.

Are you constantly spoiling for a fight like this in your daily life too?

Women do not fight. We are demur and deferent. I endeavour not to make eye contact and always roll a step behind, as is customary for the unfortunate possessors of the double-X genotype. "

What are you on about? Do you have a victim mentality?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"At international level sure pay the same if it’s £2000 per match. It’s a nominal amount for representing your country

At club level it’s all about revenue so there’s no chance. It’s as simple as that tbh

There's 13 minutes between the men's and women's marathon world records. However, the wheelchair WR WAY faster (mens WC is 44 min faster than non-WC).

On this basis, the wheelchair competitors should be earning WAY more than the men or women on foot. Wheelchair marathon is also much more exciting and dangerous. They can fall out of their chairs, they can crash, having a puncture can completely fuck up the whole race. Much more exciting.

I'm off to petition for wheelchair marathon competitors to receive twice as much pay as anyone who does the far inferior quality event on their feet.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

" Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then?

My words were "We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings."

But you went ahead and assumed men and women were treated differently in equestrian sports to. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

No, i just simply misread your comment.

Are you constantly spoiling for a fight like this in your daily life too?

Women do not fight. We are demur and deferent. I endeavour not to make eye contact and always roll a step behind, as is customary for the unfortunate possessors of the double-X genotype.

What are you on about? Do you have a victim mentality? "

Do you enjoy putting women down? It's a recurrent theme in your posting across this forum. But of course, the women you interact with on here aren't the right sort, are they? Not the nice, deferent, demur types that you can take home to your mum.

Yeah, I'm a massive victim and I spoil for fights everywhere I go. In fact, its not a day out if I don't fight someone so I actually pick the fights myself.

I only punch up though. Not down.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

" Then how is that relevant to this subject matter then?

My words were "We shall ignore the noble equestrian sports, where men and women compete on an equal basis and are, shock horror, treated equally in terms of winnings."

But you went ahead and assumed men and women were treated differently in equestrian sports to. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

No, i just simply misread your comment.

Are you constantly spoiling for a fight like this in your daily life too?

Women do not fight. We are demur and deferent. I endeavour not to make eye contact and always roll a step behind, as is customary for the unfortunate possessors of the double-X genotype.

What are you on about? Do you have a victim mentality?

Yeah, I'm a massive victim and I spoil for fights everywhere I go. In fact, its not a day out if I don't fight someone so I actually pick the fights myself.

I only punch up though. Not down. "

Why are you bringing gender into it now? Do you expect me to treat you nicer because youre a woman?

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By *ashMan over a year ago

Westhoughton

If it's all about equality then why have separate men's and women's sports? Everyone should just play together and earn equally. U can't have separate sports for women and then expect equal pay.. For that matter, then lower level club players should earn equal to international global stars as they also play the same game?

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By *tylebender03Man over a year ago

Manchester

"At international level sure pay the same if it’s £2000 per match. It’s a nominal amount for representing your country

At club level it’s all about revenue so there’s no chance. It’s as simple as that tbh

There's 13 minutes between the men's and women's marathon world records. However, the wheelchair WR WAY faster (mens WC is 44 min faster than non-WC).

I'm off to petition for wheelchair marathon competitors to receive twice as much pay as anyone who does the far inferior quality event on their feet."

I don’t feel you have respect for the men’s game. For all the great managers, all the great teams and players that have contributed to the sport over the years. The high level at the top of the men’s game is probably the highest it’s ever been. I don’t think it’s a given women should just get the same simply because they are women.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"At international level sure pay the same if it’s £2000 per match. It’s a nominal amount for representing your country

At club level it’s all about revenue so there’s no chance. It’s as simple as that tbh

There's 13 minutes between the men's and women's marathon world records. However, the wheelchair WR WAY faster (mens WC is 44 min faster than non-WC).

I'm off to petition for wheelchair marathon competitors to receive twice as much pay as anyone who does the far inferior quality event on their feet.

I still dont even know what shes looking for?

Is it equal match fees at international level? Or for chelsea womens team to pay sam kerr 350k a week?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good talk everyone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s coming home

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By *arlequin_tearsMan over a year ago

Sheffield

There's lots of pay in professional sports that, to put it mildly, is completely bonkers.

Orange/France Telecom did a great ad recently where they used modern tech to make shots of the French Women's football team look like it was from a men's match. Highlighting the quality of the women's game ahead of the current world cup.

https://youtu.be/D_HPiaAx_QA

Arguments about the women not deserving the pay that the men do because they don't bring in as many viewers/revenue are moot. The only reason the men get the viewing if because the women don't get the investment, marketing etc that the men's game does.

Eng Women and the U20s have out performed the men for years and actually have silver wear to their name. But God forbid we challenge the status quo.

I do believe there should be greater parity in pay in sports. Clubs in Rugby & Football are going bankrupt trying to keep up with huge wage bills. It's pointless and damages sport generally.

I'd like to see a lot of rich execs and top stars taking a hefty pay cuts.

The money could be far better used elsewhere.

eg:

- lowering season ticket costs making live sport more accessible to fans

- investing into facilities & coaching in the community giving everyone better access to sport and it's benefits both for health and bringimg communities together

- helping prepare players for life outside of professional sport. Especially if their career is cut short by injury

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I don't have respect for the men's game?? Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

I've spent my entire life watching football. Predominantly men's, because that's what was (and usually is) all around, on telly and in society. I started going to England Ladies matches, when they came to a stadium near us, back in the mid 90s and have spent many a windswept afternoon watching Tranmere Ladies.

I've also been a season ticket holder at Tranmere (for the mens team), until my disability plus my Dad's advanced age, made it impossible to make good use of. I've travelled the length and breadth of England and Wales following Tranmere over the years and continue to follow them avidly. Tranmere are in League Two. I've frankly endured some absolutely shit stadia and shabby conditions as a supporter, to follow my team. If I had no respect for the game or the men who play it, I'd have given up years ago. You can hardly describe me as a glory hunter when the sum total of our achievements in my lifetime have been a few brilliant FA and league cup runs (all over by the early 2000s).

I was brought up with football, by my Dad and taken to Rovers from being about age 5 or 6. I used to wear his 90/91 season away shirt (maroon and blue) as a nightie and I thought that was absolutely fantastic. It was the only time you'd see me in something resembling a dress in those days.

I wanted to be just like the players I watched every week - John Aldridge, Pat Nevin, Tony Thomas, Eric Nixon, etc. When Jason Koumas broke into the first XI, I wanted to curl the ball into the goal like he did. I wanted to make a throw in go as far as Dave Challinor and I absolutely loved watching Fat Sam get more and more irate each time a throw in would plop into the box just as if it were a corner.

It never occurred to me that I wouldn't be allowed to pursue football beyond the age of 11. It was never explained to me why at the start of November 1996, I could play football (with the "boys" team I was part of - the only girl) but by the end, I could no longer. Not just that I couldn't play in matches anymore, but I wasn't even allowed to train anymore.

FA rules, you see.

I was often the only girl in crowds of men and boys, something which has never been an issue at Tranmere but was definitely an issue at other grounds, especially as an away supporter. Yet, despite the men's game often being hostile, I've stuck with it out of the love I have for the game and my team.

This generation of women's players are the first to have a very limited professional league. The ability of women to play football professionally, at any standard, was stymied for over 80 years, by rules made by the FA. Those rules were made by men, based on sexist tropes "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and should not be encouraged".

How on earth anyone expects a game that was suppressed professionally between 1921 and 2018 to be the same "quality" as a game that has evolved over a period of over 130 years, I do not know.

I have no respect whatsoever for the governing body of football in England, that banned women simply because they couldn't cope with the idea of women's matches having bigger gates than men's (in the 1920s, this was often the case). I do have respect for those men who have tried to right historic wrongs (because let's face it, the FA was and still is, wholly or predominantly run by men) and who have and continue to support the evolution of women's football.

I couldn't care less if a women's team will ever beat a men's team, just as I don't expect Shelly Ann Fraser Pryce to outsprint Usain Bolt.

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By *hagTonight OP Man over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Its been an interesting discussion everyone

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