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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating... |
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Are you Tom or talking about Tom?
Grouse, Pheasant & Partridge shoots gives mass employment & actual enjoyment to locals beating, picking up, catering, loading etc so yes they are Toffs shooting but I,d rather they turn up than don't & always pay cash.
It's a world of different wealth as not a communist country so being jealous is sad, aim to make your life better rather than be jealous of others. |
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"Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating..."
You ever actually been to one? Up your game (see what i did there?) tom. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I used to be a beater when I were younger, Tom. Now I have acres of land and I shoot.
I would not have been able to access this level of social climbing had it not been for Brexit.
But yet, woke people like Gary Lineker want to deny me this pleasure.
Gary was a crack shot. Why can't I be?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Beaters are actually paid decent money. Our 14 yr old is beating today and will receive more money than I do for a days work.
They don't just shoot for fun, it's conservation management of the birds and moorland. |
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"Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating..."
The poor get the birds surely thats fair  |
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"Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating..."
Tom Tom,Tom ,Tom Tom !!!
What are we going to do with you?
Honestly I've never heard of anything so bonkers.
Giving a shooter to a bunch of deprived inner city folk is never going to end well.
Probably end up robbing the local post office  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating..."
October 14th grouse season starts here. We don't use beaters tho we use bird dogs. |
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All activities are open to anyone, the reason why the Toffs do it is because they have money. When the plebiscite decide to spend their hard-earned dole money on wearing jodhpurs and shooting birds instead of Netflix and a 6 pack of Special Brew then it will actually be more equal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating... October 14th grouse season starts here. We don't use beaters tho we use bird dogs."
Traditionally it’s cheaper to use people than dogs over here, and you don’t have to look after them in between shoots….  |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Marks the start of the Grouse Shooting Season where images of Toffs in t jackets with shotguns blasting seven bells out of the birds which traditionally take to the air as beaters advance with sticks, dogs and flags to panic the grouse into flying into a literal volley of lead shot. The beaters tend to be lower class and often paid with a brace of birds to feed their hungry families.
Tom is no fan of grouse shooting for the elite. Isn't it time to make this more accessible to the poor and especially those from inner cites where the poor have either never seen a grouse or think it's named after the whisky. Lets bus the poor in and let them do the shooting for a while while the toffs are relegated to beating..."
Absolute pig ignorance.The beaters are not all "poor",they are gamekeepers/under keepers and paid beaters.The Shooters are not all toffs,they are from all walks of life and class.The dogs are there to retrieve shot birds not to put birds to flight.The flags are to hold the line of beaters,that's why there is a flag man at each end of the line,it keeps people in a straight line,they are also used to signal to the shooters.The birds don't fly into a volley of shot,it's up to each gun to pick a target and hit it.Grouse are small very fast and agile.Shooters are carefully watched,anyone incompetent or dangerous is pulled out.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lots of ‘ordinary’ people, if you want to start the class thing, take part in game shooting. It’s just an expensive pastime whoever does it.
Whilst a lot of shooting over land is genuinely about conservation, commercial game shoots are most definitely not. Literally hundreds of thousands of birds bred for the sole purpose of being shot. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
There was an episode of fools and horses where Del went clay shooting at a country estate. He did very well at it which always upsets the Aristocracy when one of the lower classes beat them at their own game and in their own back yard. Tom always feels confused when these country types talk about conservation yet breed thousands of birds to be shot dead purely for the entertainment of these shotgun types and of course to make lots of money. And all of that lead shot will have got into the water courses for years... |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Lots of ‘ordinary’ people, if you want to start the class thing, take part in game shooting. It’s just an expensive pastime whoever does it.
Whilst a lot of shooting over land is genuinely about conservation, commercial game shoots are most definitely not. Literally hundreds of thousands of birds bred for the sole purpose of being shot."
More ignorance.The money from commercial shoots goes back into the Estate/Farm/Shoot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Or we could just stop shooting "
Ya. Disappointed at the ignorance in this thread. It's nothing to do with conservation, literally 10s of millions of birds are bred annually for the purpose of toffs getting the jolly of killing one - it's just bizarre antiquated behaviour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lots of ‘ordinary’ people, if you want to start the class thing, take part in game shooting. It’s just an expensive pastime whoever does it.
Whilst a lot of shooting over land is genuinely about conservation, commercial game shoots are most definitely not. Literally hundreds of thousands of birds bred for the sole purpose of being shot."
I hate that type of shooting. I rarely get a grouse. He is better at them than me. My favorite is turkey hunting. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"There was an episode of fools and horses where Del went clay shooting at a country estate. He did very well at it which always upsets the Aristocracy when one of the lower classes beat them at their own game and in their own back yard. Tom always feels confused when these country types talk about conservation yet breed thousands of birds to be shot dead purely for the entertainment of these shotgun types and of course to make lots of money. And all of that lead shot will have got into the water courses for years..."
To their is very little lead in lead shot,it is mostly tin and antimony.Shot only goes into the water if you shoot into water.If you are going to shoot near water you use non toxic shot.There are no rivers on the moorland.
"Shot purely for entertainment"? So all the dead birds are left lying around? Bollocks.They are cooked and eaten,not wasted. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Or we could just stop shooting
Ya. Disappointed at the ignorance in this thread. It's nothing to do with conservation, literally 10s of millions of birds are bred annually for the purpose of toffs getting the jolly of killing one - it's just bizarre antiquated behaviour. "
Ignorant stereotype bullshit.
Tens of millions,have you any concept of just how many that is.Laughable. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
And these posh London Restaurants competing to be the first to serve up grouse from the first day of the slaughter.
For a pretty penny and more money for the coffers of the landed gentry. Tom has never tasted one but what is Grouse actually taste like. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"And these posh London Restaurants competing to be the first to serve up grouse from the first day of the slaughter.
For a pretty penny and more money for the coffers of the landed gentry. Tom has never tasted one but what is Grouse actually taste like. "
Seems like you've got a problem with "class" and wealth.what could that problem be? Ooooohhh I know,Jealousy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Now we are deeply into my territory. I deal with game shooters on a daily basis and they come from all walks of life, it’s about money, not social status. I know lots of tradesmen who take part.
The lead issue, which looks like leading to a ban on lead shot, is not so straightforward. It is not a proven hypothesis. If it were, where is all the lead poisoned wildlife scattered across the countryside? It has come about because of high concentrations of lead found in certain waterfowl which are bottom feeders. In other words they are scooping it up as they feed, so ingesting it that way.
There is still far more lead water piping and flashing in use than there is lead contamination from spent shot. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Now we are deeply into my territory. I deal with game shooters on a daily basis and they come from all walks of life, it’s about money, not social status. I know lots of tradesmen who take part.
The lead issue, which looks like leading to a ban on lead shot, is not so straightforward. It is not a proven hypothesis. If it were, where is all the lead poisoned wildlife scattered across the countryside? It has come about because of high concentrations of lead found in certain waterfowl which are bottom feeders. In other words they are scooping it up as they feed, so ingesting it that way.
There is still far more lead water piping and flashing in use than there is lead contamination from spent shot."
Natural background lead and contamination from former coal mines,such as in Yorkshire. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was an episode of fools and horses where Del went clay shooting at a country estate. He did very well at it which always upsets the Aristocracy when one of the lower classes beat them at their own game and in their own back yard. Tom always feels confused when these country types talk about conservation yet breed thousands of birds to be shot dead purely for the entertainment of these shotgun types and of course to make lots of money. And all of that lead shot will have got into the water courses for years...
To their is very little lead in lead shot,it is mostly tin and antimony.Shot only goes into the water if you shoot into water.If you are going to shoot near water you use non toxic shot.There are no rivers on the moorland.
"Shot purely for entertainment"? So all the dead birds are left lying around? Bollocks.They are cooked and eaten,not wasted."
That happens on well run shoots, but I have seen landowners and gamekeepers get pissy when even the shooters have had enough and they are left with hundreds of unshot birds because they overstocked.
I speak to a lot of long time game shooters who eventually lose the taste for it and would rather beat instead, and work the dogs for the shooters. This includes the aristocracy and some royalty. On established shoots it also traditional to have a beater’s day, where roles are reversed and te beaters (many of whom will be shooters anyway) get to shoot. |
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"And these posh London Restaurants competing to be the first to serve up grouse from the first day of the slaughter.
For a pretty penny and more money for the coffers of the landed gentry. Tom has never tasted one but what is Grouse actually taste like. "
Chicken. Unbleached |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"I used to be a beater when I were younger, Tom. Now I have acres of land and I shoot.
I would not have been able to access this level of social climbing had it not been for Brexit.
But yet, woke people like Gary Lineker want to deny me this pleasure.
Gary was a crack shot. Why can't I be?"
At last! I've found someone who says they have a tangible positive from Brexit. It's a genuine question, I'm really keen to know how you achieved this but couldn't achieve it if the UK was still in the EU.
I hope you take the time to answer as I have really searched high and low to find someone with a real Brexit benefit.
A second question too, if that's okay? Do you think Gary Lineker personally wants to stop you shooting or is it just people "like" him?
Thanks,
Gbat |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I used to be a beater when I were younger, Tom. Now I have acres of land and I shoot.
I would not have been able to access this level of social climbing had it not been for Brexit.
But yet, woke people like Gary Lineker want to deny me this pleasure.
Gary was a crack shot. Why can't I be?
At last! I've found someone who says they have a tangible positive from Brexit. It's a genuine question, I'm really keen to know how you achieved this but couldn't achieve it if the UK was still in the EU.
I hope you take the time to answer as I have really searched high and low to find someone with a real Brexit benefit.
A second question too, if that's okay? Do you think Gary Lineker personally wants to stop you shooting or is it just people "like" him?
Thanks,
Gbat "
I don't think anyone "likes" Gary, do they? |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"I don't think anyone "likes" Gary, do they"
Well swerved Ricky Machado, you answered my post without answering either of the questions I asked.
You have a whole UKIP career ahead of you, if you want it.
To answer your question, yeah, I think lots of people like him.
Gbat |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think anyone "likes" Gary, do they
Well swerved Ricky Machado, you answered my post without answering either of the questions I asked.
You have a whole UKIP career ahead of you, if you want it.
To answer your question, yeah, I think lots of people like him.
Gbat "
I've already been on GBat News a couple of times, so I'm way ahead of the curve. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"I've already been on GBat News a couple of times, so I'm way ahead of the curve."
Should be easy for you to answer then, if you want to.
I often hear of people who say there is a Brexit benefit but then say they don't want to explain, rather than they can't.
Which are you? Won't or can't?
Either way, I'm still to hear anyone explain a tangible benefit they have experienced.
Cheers anyway,
Gbat |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've already been on GBat News a couple of times, so I'm way ahead of the curve.
Should be easy for you to answer then, if you want to.
I often hear of people who say there is a Brexit benefit but then say they don't want to explain, rather than they can't.
Which are you? Won't or can't?
Either way, I'm still to hear anyone explain a tangible benefit they have experienced.
Cheers anyway,
Gbat "
Don't ask me - I voted remain. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"Don't ask me - I voted remain."
Tricky Ricky!!! More swerving!
You said,
"I would not have been able to access this level of social climbing had it not been for Brexit."
Is it that you won't explain how that could be or you can't explain how that could be?
Gbat |
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"Don't ask me - I voted remain.
Tricky Ricky!!! More swerving!
You said,
I would not have been able to access this level of social climbing had it not been for Brexit.
Is it that you won't explain how that could be or you can't explain how that could be?
Gbat "
Alright, Paxman - calm down. It was just a joke. |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
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I love this kind of thread! Lots of "antis" bleating on about shooting and cruelty. If you eat meat then that animal has died. Yes that piece of beef or lamb or chicken used to be alive before it turned up in a plastic coat in Tescos believe it or not. In my head cruelty describes a chicken that is hatched out of the egg and then lives in a space of about one half of a square foot in captivity for roughly 13 weeks. It's then hung up and electrocuted before having it's throat cut! And yes that does include McDonalds chicken nuggets! Compare that to a game bird that's living free and in the wild and can do what it wants and go where it wants. If it does fly over the guns on a shoot day it generally has a 50/50 chance of surviving throughout the season. Contrary to what you believe a good gun will not shoot a low / easy bird and would prefer to miss a high one. If a bird is shot it's normally an instant death and would know absolutely nothing about it. Most importantly most game will go in to the food chain and provide good quality healthy food. Oh and if you are going to argue against this then please know what you are talking about  |
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"Or we could just stop shooting
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That only works when the land is in balance with the species living on it. When populations become too much for the land to support, nature’s way is starvation, disease and slow, painful death. A bullet is far more kind."
Far to many humans !
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"Or we could just stop shooting
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That only works when the land is in balance with the species living on it. When populations become too much for the land to support, nature’s way is starvation, disease and slow, painful death. A bullet is far more kind."
Nothing kind about a bullet! And let's b honest these birds are bred to b shot! X |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"Alright, Paxman - calm down. It was just a joke"
If you'd said earlier, I'd have stopped asking. To be fair to me, it was quite difficult to identify it as a joke.
Thanks for joining in,
Gbat |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Reports that so called hunt sabotagers have disrupted a grouse shoot for three days at a place called Bolton Abbey which surprisingly is in Yorkshire.
Are we seeing the demise of the ruling classes and aristocratic land owners by these sabotage types ?
What's going on here. It's all over the news |
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"Reports that so called hunt sabotagers have disrupted a grouse shoot for three days at a place called Bolton Abbey which surprisingly is in Yorkshire.
Are we seeing the demise of the ruling classes and aristocratic land owners by these sabotage types ?
What's going on here. It's all over the news"
What are the ruling classes? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Reports that so called hunt sabotagers have disrupted a grouse shoot for three days at a place called Bolton Abbey which surprisingly is in Yorkshire.
Are we seeing the demise of the ruling classes and aristocratic land owners by these sabotage types ?
What's going on here. It's all over the news
What are the ruling classes? "
The Aristocracy...
How many of the so called Bullingdon club captured in one photo made the cabinet? |
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"Reports that so called hunt sabotagers have disrupted a grouse shoot for three days at a place called Bolton Abbey which surprisingly is in Yorkshire.
Are we seeing the demise of the ruling classes and aristocratic land owners by these sabotage types ?
What's going on here. It's all over the news"
Bit of good news for a change x |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Reports that three hen harriers which are part of the bird family and in no way elated to chickens have mysteriously disappeared over private land during this Grouse slaughter period. The hen harriers were fitted with satellite tracking devices and no evidence has been found yet. There is more to this than meets the eye |
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"Reports that so called hunt sabotagers have disrupted a grouse shoot for three days at a place called Bolton Abbey which surprisingly is in Yorkshire.
Are we seeing the demise of the ruling classes and aristocratic land owners by these sabotage types ?
What's going on here. It's all over the news
What are the ruling classes?
The Aristocracy...
How many of the so called Bullingdon club captured in one photo made the cabinet?"
What does the bullingdon club or cabinet have to do with grouse? Think youre playing prejudice bingo there tom. Go for a full house |
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"Reports that three hen harriers which are part of the bird family and in no way elated to chickens have mysteriously disappeared over private land during this Grouse slaughter period. The hen harriers were fitted with satellite tracking devices and no evidence has been found yet. There is more to this than meets the eye "
Yes the batteries of the tracking devices expire after a few hours |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Reports that three hen harriers which are part of the bird family and in no way elated to chickens have mysteriously disappeared over private land during this Grouse slaughter period. The hen harriers were fitted with satellite tracking devices and no evidence has been found yet. There is more to this than meets the eye
Yes the batteries of the tracking devices expire after a few hours "
Or blown out of the sky by Lord Snooty perhaps.... |
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"Reports that three hen harriers which are part of the bird family and in no way elated to chickens have mysteriously disappeared over private land during this Grouse slaughter period. The hen harriers were fitted with satellite tracking devices and no evidence has been found yet. There is more to this than meets the eye
Yes the batteries of the tracking devices expire after a few hours
Or blown out of the sky by Lord Snooty perhaps.... "
Well... Then they'll d find the tracking device stationary and on the ground wouldnt they? Come on Tom. |
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I feel I can join in here and just put some facts on the table.
There is always talk of persecution of hen harriers on grouse moors.
So
A)harriers tend to nest and live on grouse moors during spring/summer, so stands to reason some will die here
B)the hen harrier has a natural mortality rate of 75% during its first year of life
C)there has been a 80% increase in hen harrier numbers in the last 3 years, 78% of which where hatched by there parents on grouse moors
I personally know some of the people who live and work on grouse moors and they are sick to death of being branded as criminals, they work night and day not only to produce grouse( this is what pays for all there other work)but to be custodians of the countryside. Picking up litter, putting out wildfires, helping redlisted species to name but a few.
These folks are the unsung heroes of our countryside and should be thanked for there efforts not condemned for it. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Reports that three hen harriers which are part of the bird family and in no way elated to chickens have mysteriously disappeared over private land during this Grouse slaughter period. The hen harriers were fitted with satellite tracking devices and no evidence has been found yet. There is more to this than meets the eye
Yes the batteries of the tracking devices expire after a few hours
Or blown out of the sky by Lord Snooty perhaps....
Well... Then they'll d find the tracking device stationary and on the ground wouldnt they? Come on Tom. "
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I feel I can join in here and just put some facts on the table.
There is always talk of persecution of hen harriers on grouse moors.
So
A)harriers tend to nest and live on grouse moors during spring/summer, so stands to reason some will die here
B)the hen harrier has a natural mortality rate of 75% during its first year of life
C)there has been a 80% increase in hen harrier numbers in the last 3 years, 78% of which where hatched by there parents on grouse moors
I personally know some of the people who live and work on grouse moors and they are sick to death of being branded as criminals, they work night and day not only to produce grouse( this is what pays for all there other work)but to be custodians of the countryside. Picking up litter, putting out wildfires, helping redlisted species to name but a few.
These folks are the unsung heroes of our countryside and should be thanked for there efforts not condemned for it."
They breed birds to be slaughtered. Unsung heroes ? |
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Grouse are a totally wild bird not bread.
There are so many misconceptions, this year for example they have had a bad breeding season so very few estates are shooting but there employers still have to pay them and keep funding the the estates upkeep for the next twelve month.
Clearly this is a subject you have a severe dislike for Tom and that is your entitlement and indeed up to you and you alone but I would just ask that you take a little time to really look into it with an open mind and gain a perspective from both sides of the fence.
After all I would have thought most of us on this site have the ability to keep an open mind, we are not all into the same things but sometimes there is more than meets the eye.
There is much research out there if you care to look for it.
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I used to be a beater when I were younger, Tom. Now I have acres of land and I shoot.
I would not have been able to access this level of social climbing had it not been for Brexit.
But yet, woke people like Gary Lineker want to deny me this pleasure.
Gary was a crack shot. Why can't I be?
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How has Brexit helped you shoot? I know working class people who shoot, they form groups to stock, rear and protect the birds and rent the land, very similar to people who fish privately |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Grouse are a totally wild bird not bread.
There are so many misconceptions, this year for example they have had a bad breeding season so very few estates are shooting but there employers still have to pay them and keep funding the the estates upkeep for the next twelve month.
Clearly this is a subject you have a severe dislike for Tom and that is your entitlement and indeed up to you and you alone but I would just ask that you take a little time to really look into it with an open mind and gain a perspective from both sides of the fence.
After all I would have thought most of us on this site have the ability to keep an open mind, we are not all into the same things but sometimes there is more than meets the eye.
There is much research out there if you care to look for it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I love this kind of thread! Lots of "antis" bleating on about shooting and cruelty. If you eat meat then that animal has died. Yes that piece of beef or lamb or chicken used to be alive before it turned up in a plastic coat in Tescos believe it or not. In my head cruelty describes a chicken that is hatched out of the egg and then lives in a space of about one half of a square foot in captivity for roughly 13 weeks. It's then hung up and electrocuted before having it's throat cut! And yes that does include McDonalds chicken nuggets! Compare that to a game bird that's living free and in the wild and can do what it wants and go where it wants. If it does fly over the guns on a shoot day it generally has a 50/50 chance of surviving throughout the season. Contrary to what you believe a good gun will not shoot a low / easy bird and would prefer to miss a high one. If a bird is shot it's normally an instant death and would know absolutely nothing about it. Most importantly most game will go in to the food chain and provide good quality healthy food. Oh and if you are going to argue against this then please know what you are talking about "
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
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It is extremely generous of these folks to pay thousands of pounds of there own money to go out and keep the countryside from being overrun with birds, I think we should let them visit a few coastal places and cull some sea gulls, not that I want to eat them anymore than the pheasants that some local bastard keeps giving my wife in the shooting season and I have to eat them because he wants to shoot them but not eat them. They are not anything like as pleasant as a KFC. |
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