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"I like Gary. His brother, not so much." Wayne's definitely on some sort of list. | |||
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"I like Gary. His brother, not so much. Wayne's definitely on some sort of list."  | |||
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"I like Gary. His brother, not so much." This. It's really telling that people hate on Gary rather than his creepy, perverted brother. Same for the likes of Dan Wooton supporters, odd people. | |||
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"I like Gary. His brother, not so much. This. It's really telling that people hate on Gary rather than his creepy, perverted brother. Same for the likes of Dan Wooton supporters, odd people." And Phil schofield. It’s funny how all these celebs seem to have ‘wrong un’ siblings…. | |||
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"What's Gary done to earn your ire? " He likes Australia Probably | |||
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"What's Gary done to earn your ire? He likes Australia Probably" Don't be daft, Pickle. Australia doesn't exist!!  | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals." Maybe look up what woke means.  | |||
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"Tom is not a fan of Gary Lineker and reports that Gary, who was recently named on a woke list, said that when he was in Marks and Spencers that he received a standing ovation. Does that mean that the shoppers were actually seated when he walked into menswear? Not sure about this one but it was all over the news a while back. " I guess he received an ovation (show of appreciation, applause) while people were standing, so he literally received a standing ovation. There’s no need to start from a sitting position. As for “woke” why wouldn’t you want to be alert to injustice and discrimination? What could possibly be wrong with that? | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means. "Quite. I'd suggest the term is used by nutjobs, rather than to describe them. | |||
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"What's Gary done to earn your ire? He likes Australia Probably Don't be daft, Pickle. Australia doesn't exist!! "That’s my favourite | |||
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"Tom is not a fan of Gary Lineker and reports that Gary, who was recently named on a woke list, said that when he was in Marks and Spencers that he received a standing ovation. Does that mean that the shoppers were actually seated when he walked into menswear? Not sure about this one but it was all over the news a while back. I guess he received an ovation (show of appreciation, applause) while people were standing, so he literally received a standing ovation. There’s no need to start from a sitting position. As for “woke” why wouldn’t you want to be alert to injustice and discrimination? What could possibly be wrong with that?" People were alert to and doing something about injustice and discrimination(over 17,000 Royal Navy personnel killed fighting the s1ave trade between1808-1870 for example)long before the term existed. | |||
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"People who complain about ‘wokeness’ certainly seem to complain about and be offended by a lot of things "Agreed. If respect for a persons lived experience and consideration for marginalised communities is a bad thing, then I’m happy to be bad. People that complain about woke tend to do so because they realise that their old viewpoints aren’t going to be tolerated anymore | |||
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"Tom is not a fan of Gary Lineker and reports that Gary, who was recently named on a woke list, said that when he was in Marks and Spencers that he received a standing ovation. Does that mean that the shoppers were actually seated when he walked into menswear? Not sure about this one but it was all over the news a while back. I guess he received an ovation (show of appreciation, applause) while people were standing, so he literally received a standing ovation. There’s no need to start from a sitting position. As for “woke” why wouldn’t you want to be alert to injustice and discrimination? What could possibly be wrong with that? People were alert to and doing something about injustice and discrimination(over 17,000 Royal Navy personnel killed fighting the s1ave trade between1808-1870 for example)long before the term existed." The way this word has been co-opted is truly a thing to behold | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means. ""Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative "Sigh | |||
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"What's Gary done to earn your ire? He likes Australia Probably" Or any other country | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh"That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
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That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist"Gosh, did Gary say all of that? | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
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That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?"Yep, in Tesco's. | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
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That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's."Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there.  | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's."Then he said “stick that on your club card” and the whole shop clapped. | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Then he said “stick that on your club card” and the whole shop clapped."There's a plaque there now commemorating the day. So moving. | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there. "Well why wouldn't he, if he gets a standing ovation!! | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there.
Well why wouldn't he, if he gets a standing ovation!! "I try to discourage it when I nip into Sainsbury's, but sometimes they just can't help it. | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there.
Well why wouldn't he, if he gets a standing ovation!!
I try to discourage it when I nip into Sainsbury's, but sometimes they just can't help it. "Ooh had you pegged as Waitrose, YOLO | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there.
Well why wouldn't he, if he gets a standing ovation!!
I try to discourage it when I nip into Sainsbury's, but sometimes they just can't help it.
Ooh had you pegged as Waitrose, YOLO "I need to be authentic. I shop at both. And Tesco's and M&S. I'm a supermarket slut | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there.
Well why wouldn't he, if he gets a standing ovation!!
I try to discourage it when I nip into Sainsbury's, but sometimes they just can't help it.
Ooh had you pegged as Waitrose, YOLO
I need to be authentic. I shop at both. And Tesco's and M&S. I'm a supermarket slut "I slum it at Lidl and Aldi. A supermarket slum slut. | |||
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"I don't consider him "woke". That word is reserved for nutjobs rather than centre left liberals. Maybe look up what woke means.
"Woke" has 2 distinct meanings - to those who consider themselves awake to social injustice it is a postivie identifier
To those who look at the glorification of victimhood, desperate search for micro aggression in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, and the persecution of the centre as not being a place for nuanced opinion but as being a facist war zone, it is definitelt pejorative
Sigh
That's the sound i make when im told that society is structurally racist, that my white male privilege negates my informed opinion, that lived experience trumps objective evidence, and that black people can't be racist
Gosh, did Gary say all of that?
Yep, in Tesco's.
Sorry, M&S. I should have known Gary only shops there.
Well why wouldn't he, if he gets a standing ovation!!
I try to discourage it when I nip into Sainsbury's, but sometimes they just can't help it.
Ooh had you pegged as Waitrose, YOLO
I need to be authentic. I shop at both. And Tesco's and M&S. I'm a supermarket slut
I slum it at Lidl and Aldi. A supermarket slum slut. "Oh, I've heard of those...! 
(I'm joking, I shop at Lidl too...but don't have an Aldi anywhere near me though).
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] " Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat " Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently. | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently." We have a lovely society? I think you're living in a different one to me then. | |||
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"Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history." This article in New Scientist would disagree with you. "FOR 5000 years, humans have grown accustomed to living in societies dominated by the privileged few. But it wasn’t always this way. For tens of thousands of years, egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies were widespread. And as a large body of anthropological research shows, long before we organised ourselves into hierarchies of wealth, social status and power, these groups rigorously enforced norms that prevented any individual or group from acquiring more status, authority or resources than others." It goes on ...... It's quite a good read actually. Google it and give it a read. It sets out it's rationale for what the author says. I accept you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm curious as to how you've come to your conclusion. Cheers, Gbat | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. "
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"He tries to be woke but it doesn’t come across as genuine to me. It looks like he’s trying ‘too hard’ "Maybe his £30,000,000 net worth sort of tips him towards being a bit on the champagne socialist side of life? | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge.
This is such an imperialist pov the jokes write themselves. "Fyi the "imperialist pov" bollocks is what people hate about the intollerant left. Alson - the idea that those societies were egalitarian in the way ours is is total nonsense. Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. | |||
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"He tries to be woke but it doesn’t come across as genuine to me. It looks like he’s trying ‘too hard’
Maybe his £30,000,000 net worth sort of tips him towards being a bit on the champagne socialist side of life? "Every little helps  | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge.
This is such an imperialist pov the jokes write themselves.
Fyi the "imperialist pov" bollocks is what people hate about the intollerant left.
Alson - the idea that those societies were egalitarian in the way ours is is total nonsense. Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. "A) the idea that it’s *just* Western European liberal democracies is hilarious. It also is not a nuanced pov at all. B) the dismissal of England as a possibly structurally racist country and the other comment somewhere dismissing lived experiences also suggests a specific and not fluid way of measuring inequalities. There’s evidence of structural inequalities persisting in this country and live experience supports that we need them both. C) I honestly do not care at all what you or others think about ‘the left’ because I’m not particularly attracted to left vs right political discussions that use minoritised groups as pawns in their games then retract the support later on. | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently." It's only lovely if you sit in one of the privileged groups (or if your privileges overlap). | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently. It's only lovely if you sit in one of the privileged groups (or if your privileges overlap). " Careful. Talk of privileges is not well received in these forums. | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently. It's only lovely if you sit in one of the privileged groups (or if your privileges overlap). Careful. Talk of privileges is not well received in these forums. " I know I have white privilege (even if my genetics mean I'm actually not totally Anglo-Saxon). But I am in the less-privileged group(s) in other measures. | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently. It's only lovely if you sit in one of the privileged groups (or if your privileges overlap). " Not you again and again... | |||
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"Hes an odious twat "Not Tom surely ?  | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently. It's only lovely if you sit in one of the privileged groups (or if your privileges overlap). Careful. Talk of privileges is not well received in these forums. " Because it is an absurdity. IQ privilege? Pretty privilege? "Majority" privilege? Religious privilege? Age privilege? Geographic/postcode privilege? Parental privilege? Nepotistic privilege? Victim privilege? What about the "intersections"? is the suffering of a learning disabled, poor, one legged, blind, black foster child something that can be summed or declared or parsed? What would the point be? The culture wars are being fought by a fringe groups of people who tend to dominate certain online spaces that turn into echo chambers. The left and the right do this. However, it started with the far left neo-Marxist types and, as Hegel suggssted, thesis gives rise to antithesis - the kickback is strong because the kick off was so hysterical | |||
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"He went right down in my estimation when he started to push his political agenda on me rather than focusing on flogging his crisps. " Pushing it on you? By posting on Twitter?  | |||
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"[ ... ] in what is undoubtedly the most egalitarian society ever to exist, [ ... ] Why do you think the UK has the most egalitarian society ever to exist? What are you basing this on and what are you comparing? Genuine questions, I'm keen to understand where you're coming from here. Gbat Western European liberal democracies are the most egalitarian of societies we know of in human history. Characterisation of our society in England as patriarchal or structurally racist is pure bilge. There are certainly inequalities and asymmetries for all manner of groups - men, women, working class persons, black, white, etc... but these don't add up to any sort of macro bias. Maybe 30+ years ago we might have said so but, realistically, we have a lovely society thar protects minority groups especially quite stringently. It's only lovely if you sit in one of the privileged groups (or if your privileges overlap). Careful. Talk of privileges is not well received in these forums. Because it is an absurdity. IQ privilege? Pretty privilege? "Majority" privilege? Religious privilege? Age privilege? Geographic/postcode privilege? Parental privilege? Nepotistic privilege? Victim privilege? What about the "intersections"? is the suffering of a learning disabled, poor, one legged, blind, black foster child something that can be summed or declared or parsed? What would the point be? The culture wars are being fought by a fringe groups of people who tend to dominate certain online spaces that turn into echo chambers. The left and the right do this. However, it started with the far left neo-Marxist types and, as Hegel suggssted, thesis gives rise to antithesis - the kickback is strong because the kick off was so hysterical" No-one has any privilege and there's absolutely NO research or data to support that whatsoever. Blah blah gender pay gap blah blah racial inequality statistics blah blah sexual assault convictions blah blah impact of austerity on disabled blah impact of covid on certain groups blah blah distribution of wealth blah blah | |||
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"There is one privilege. Tom is British by birth and Welsh by the grace of God .. Does Tom like the Welsh?" Tom is a big fan of the Welsh and he also likes the Scottish.. | |||
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"There is one privilege. Tom is British by birth and Welsh by the grace of God .. Does Tom like the Welsh? Tom is a big fan of the Welsh and he also likes the Scottish.. " Tom is full of surprises. | |||
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"There is one privilege. Tom is British by birth and Welsh by the grace of God .. Does Tom like the Welsh? Tom is a big fan of the Welsh and he also likes the Scottish.. Tom is full of surprises." He likes the Irish people too | |||
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"There is one privilege. Tom is British by birth and Welsh by the grace of God .. Does Tom like the Welsh? Tom is a big fan of the Welsh and he also likes the Scottish.. Tom is full of surprises. He likes the Irish people too" What about the French? | |||
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"There is one privilege. Tom is British by birth and Welsh by the grace of God .. Does Tom like the Welsh? Tom is a big fan of the Welsh and he also likes the Scottish.. Tom is full of surprises. He likes the Irish people too What about the French?" Tom not a big fan of the French | |||
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"There is one privilege. Tom is British by birth and Welsh by the grace of God .. Does Tom like the Welsh? Tom is a big fan of the Welsh and he also likes the Scottish.. " Awwwwwwww, didn't know you were such a big fan! | |||
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"What's Gary done to earn your ire? He likes Australia Probably Don't be daft, Pickle. Australia doesn't exist!! "Then who’s robbing all our profile for their wank-bank …erm, “research”? | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. " The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat " Lol the fab forum - the gift that keeps on giving, hilarious | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat Lol the fab forum - the gift that keeps on giving, hilarious "I mean...do you think any society in the last 5000 years has been more socially liberal, egalitarian, or free than ANY western European democracy of today? | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat " Supremacy of the military.. OH My.. There is no military left  | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat Lol the fab forum - the gift that keeps on giving, hilarious "Got to laugh at this one.. To be fair.. Better than any Essex Tom post Hilarious | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat Lol the fab forum - the gift that keeps on giving, hilarious "Please encourage him. Tom is actually rolling and laughing at this.. He will blame Brexit next .. | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. That list is so ridiculously vague and doesn't really apply to mcarosocial trends at all, let alone the political system. Reading "facism" from standard centre right conservatism is the exact problem with the extreme leftist positions so many take. It is like the internet has radicalised a core of disaffected well meaning centre leftists who have lost the ability to articulate their ideas well enough to be adopted by the masses. Tony Blair was right about having the centre ground being important and 2009 was the last time the country had any sense of balance." Theresa May - PM in 2016 - 2019 Liz thingy - PM in 2022 That's not 2 years. But maybe maths isn't a strong subject? Tony Blair was all about the education x3, wasn't he? Really admired his handiwork in Basra and Baghdad too. Liz Truss was completely useless but she was elected via the Cons party system, in exactly the same way as all the male PMs before and the one after. The world can still be sexist and allow for the existence of female leaders. | |||
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"Supremacy of the military.. OH My.. There is no military left " Tom, Tom, Tom! You can do better than this. The UK spends 3.5% of it's GDP on the military. That's the sixth highest in the world on a country by country basis. But nevertheless, I was pointing out a slide toward fascism. If that's the only point you disagreed with, then the UK is indeed in trouble. Gbat | |||
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"Supremacy of the military.. OH My.. There is no military left Tom, Tom, Tom! You can do better than this. The UK spends 3.5% of it's GDP on the military. That's the sixth highest in the world on a country by country basis. But nevertheless, I was pointing out a slide toward fascism. If that's the only point you disagreed with, then the UK is indeed in trouble. Gbat " Please Please Keep Posting...  | |||
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"Supremacy of the military.. OH My.. There is no military left Tom, Tom, Tom! You can do better than this. The UK spends 3.5% of it's GDP on the military. That's the sixth highest in the world on a country by country basis. But nevertheless, I was pointing out a slide toward fascism. If that's the only point you disagreed with, then the UK is indeed in trouble. Gbat Please Please Keep Posting... "We don't have a militaristic society. Spending on defence isn't the same thing at all. Compare to china where tiny monasteries in Tibet have soldiers stationed across the mountain to keep an eye on them, 3 hours drive from anywhere. The military are not an extension of the government's policing of society at all. We have some anachronistic ceremonial festures - a technically theocratic monarchy, for example, but we don't have an ethno-nationalist popular government with authoritarian power like Russia. We have a liberal democracy and free market capitalism. We have legal protections for minoroties and protected characteristics. We have an independent judiciary. We have election cycles. We have an opposition. We are not remotely facist. We just have a populace who are politically illiterate and either an over developed fear of global cooperation or an over developed sense of empathy that makes them see injustice as structural rather than sporadic and bound. | |||
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"Supremacy of the military.. OH My.. There is no military left Tom, Tom, Tom! You can do better than this. The UK spends 3.5% of it's GDP on the military. That's the sixth highest in the world on a country by country basis. But nevertheless, I was pointing out a slide toward fascism. If that's the only point you disagreed with, then the UK is indeed in trouble. Gbat Please Please Keep Posting...
We don't have a militaristic society. Spending on defence isn't the same thing at all. Compare to china where tiny monasteries in Tibet have soldiers stationed across the mountain to keep an eye on them, 3 hours drive from anywhere. The military are not an extension of the government's policing of society at all. We have some anachronistic ceremonial festures - a technically theocratic monarchy, for example, but we don't have an ethno-nationalist popular government with authoritarian power like Russia. We have a liberal democracy and free market capitalism. We have legal protections for minoroties and protected characteristics. We have an independent judiciary. We have election cycles. We have an opposition. We are not remotely facist. We just have a populace who are politically illiterate and either an over developed fear of global cooperation or an over developed sense of empathy that makes them see injustice as structural rather than sporadic and bound."Please don't burst GBATs bubble | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously." As I said above, I'm not saying that all that list applies to the UK. However, (here's the Brexit mention Tom!) there were outright lies told around the Brexit referendum. It stunk to high heaven. The tories are also trying to change the number of MPs, a process that will strengthen their position if current plans go through. Rampant sexism? Have you seen how many sex scandals surround MPs these days? There's even an MP watching porn in the House of Commons during a session of parliament. Don't you think that's odd? The list I duplicated is on display in the Holocaust Museum. I'm happy to accept their bona fides on the subject over your opinion. I'm paraphrasing someone else here, "Fascism doesn't arrive wearing jackboots and a fancy uniform." The current UK government is trying to curtail the right to strike and the right to protest. Very egalitarian of them. Gbat | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. As I said above, I'm not saying that all that list applies to the UK. However, (here's the Brexit mention Tom!) there were outright lies told around the Brexit referendum. It stunk to high heaven. The tories are also trying to change the number of MPs, a process that will strengthen their position if current plans go through. Rampant sexism? Have you seen how many sex scandals surround MPs these days? There's even an MP watching porn in the House of Commons during a session of parliament. Don't you think that's odd? The list I duplicated is on display in the Holocaust Museum. I'm happy to accept their bona fides on the subject over your opinion. I'm paraphrasing someone else here, "Fascism doesn't arrive wearing jackboots and a fancy uniform." The current UK government is trying to curtail the right to strike and the right to protest. Very egalitarian of them. Gbat " Read the list again and look at Israel. Wonder if the Holocaust museum can see the irony | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. As I said above, I'm not saying that all that list applies to the UK. However, (here's the Brexit mention Tom!) there were outright lies told around the Brexit referendum. It stunk to high heaven. The tories are also trying to change the number of MPs, a process that will strengthen their position if current plans go through. Rampant sexism? Have you seen how many sex scandals surround MPs these days? There's even an MP watching porn in the House of Commons during a session of parliament. Don't you think that's odd? The list I duplicated is on display in the Holocaust Museum. I'm happy to accept their bona fides on the subject over your opinion. I'm paraphrasing someone else here, "Fascism doesn't arrive wearing jackboots and a fancy uniform." The current UK government is trying to curtail the right to strike and the right to protest. Very egalitarian of them. Gbat "
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. That list is so ridiculously vague and doesn't really apply to mcarosocial trends at all, let alone the political system. Reading "facism" from standard centre right conservatism is the exact problem with the extreme leftist positions so many take. It is like the internet has radicalised a core of disaffected well meaning centre leftists who have lost the ability to articulate their ideas well enough to be adopted by the masses. Tony Blair was right about having the centre ground being important and 2009 was the last time the country had any sense of balance. Theresa May - PM in 2016 - 2019 Liz thingy - PM in 2022 That's not 2 years. But maybe maths isn't a strong subject? Tony Blair was all about the education x3, wasn't he? Really admired his handiwork in Basra and Baghdad too. Liz Truss was completely useless but she was elected via the Cons party system, in exactly the same way as all the male PMs before and the one after. The world can still be sexist and allow for the existence of female leaders. " Sexism existing and a society being rampantly sexist and patriarchal aren't the same thing. 2019-2022 was 3 years (i was out by 1 year ...sorry.) Liz Truss was elected by the tory party - the ones you claim are madly sexist. Watching porn doesnt make you sexist. The invasion of Iraq wasn't a problem and the uk military didnt then blow the place up once sadam was gone. Poor post invasion planning meant the subsequent insurgency was a cluster fuck. You think sadam should have been left alone? If the US hadnt disbanded the iraqi military and had a better plan for continuity and legitimacy in Iraqi leadership it wiuldnt have been that bad. Afghanistan has been a nightmare for hundreds of years and as now seen since the Taliban came back, we did a lot of good. Neither of those wars was facistic in nature. Neither were they colonialist. | |||
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"Read the list again and look at Israel. Wonder if the Holocaust museum can see the irony" Good swerve into Whataboutery there. Gbat (Tom, keep dangling, I'll keep answering). | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. As I said above, I'm not saying that all that list applies to the UK. However, (here's the Brexit mention Tom!) there were outright lies told around the Brexit referendum. It stunk to high heaven. The tories are also trying to change the number of MPs, a process that will strengthen their position if current plans go through. Rampant sexism? Have you seen how many sex scandals surround MPs these days? There's even an MP watching porn in the House of Commons during a session of parliament. Don't you think that's odd? The list I duplicated is on display in the Holocaust Museum. I'm happy to accept their bona fides on the subject over your opinion. I'm paraphrasing someone else here, "Fascism doesn't arrive wearing jackboots and a fancy uniform." The current UK government is trying to curtail the right to strike and the right to protest. Very egalitarian of them. Gbat
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Please please keep this up"I was on strike recently. I disagree with the tories on nearly everything. Their curbs on right to strike arent facist though. They are centre right and perfectly in keeping with what you would expect from a normal conservative approach to trade union relations | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. That list is so ridiculously vague and doesn't really apply to mcarosocial trends at all, let alone the political system. Reading "facism" from standard centre right conservatism is the exact problem with the extreme leftist positions so many take. It is like the internet has radicalised a core of disaffected well meaning centre leftists who have lost the ability to articulate their ideas well enough to be adopted by the masses. Tony Blair was right about having the centre ground being important and 2009 was the last time the country had any sense of balance. Theresa May - PM in 2016 - 2019 Liz thingy - PM in 2022 That's not 2 years. But maybe maths isn't a strong subject? Tony Blair was all about the education x3, wasn't he? Really admired his handiwork in Basra and Baghdad too. Liz Truss was completely useless but she was elected via the Cons party system, in exactly the same way as all the male PMs before and the one after. The world can still be sexist and allow for the existence of female leaders. Sexism existing and a society being rampantly sexist and patriarchal aren't the same thing. 2019-2022 was 3 years (i was out by 1 year ...sorry.) Liz Truss was elected by the tory party - the ones you claim are madly sexist. Watching porn doesnt make you sexist. The invasion of Iraq wasn't a problem and the uk military didnt then blow the place up once sadam was gone. Poor post invasion planning meant the subsequent insurgency was a cluster fuck. You think sadam should have been left alone? If the US hadnt disbanded the iraqi military and had a better plan for continuity and legitimacy in Iraqi leadership it wiuldnt have been that bad. Afghanistan has been a nightmare for hundreds of years and as now seen since the Taliban came back, we did a lot of good. Neither of those wars was facistic in nature. Neither were they colonialist. " 2 female PMs in as many years - TM started in 2016, which is 6 years before LT, but never mind. Where did porn get mentioned?? Though lots of it is highly misogynistic, it's probably a topic for a different thread. Maybe Tom can cook something light-hearted up about the rough sex defence? Society at large is still inherently sexist and patriarchal, yes. The constructs of governance and all sorts have been designed and refined predominantly by men and we still don't have a system that is genuinely inclusive (to women, to disabled people and myriad other less privileged groups). | |||
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"Read the list again and look at Israel. Wonder if the Holocaust museum can see the irony Good swerve into Whataboutery there. Gbat That isn't whatabouttery. It's pounting out that the list can be applied in all sorts of contexts because it is a shit list. Israel is quite facistic by your own definition though. Why invoke that organisation as experts on facism? Because 80 years ago the golocaust happened it makes that organisation experts? It is a shit list. Reading actual books on facism from historians and political philosophers is a better way to understand facism. (Tom, keep dangling, I'll keep answering). " | |||
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"Theresa May - PM in 2016 - 2019 Liz thingy - PM in 2022 Gary Lineker - World Cup Golden Boot in 1986. Makes you think. It does indeed. Italia 90, shitting the pitch. What's it coming to now? " England were beaten in the turd place play off that year. The clues were there. | |||
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" Their curbs on right to strike arent facist though. They are centre right and perfectly in keeping with what you would expect from a normal conservative approach to trade union relations" I think I might need to make this easier to understand. The list of fascism indicators isn't a series of stand alone bullet points. You don't have to hit every target to show your true colours. But the more indicators you engage with, the closer you are getting to fascism. I have used the phrase a slide toward fascism. I don't mind if you don't agree, other than the danger of them actually becoming fascist and nobody realising until it's too late. I'm off to look at hot pics for a while, so I might not catch up until tomorrow. Gbat | |||
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"I'm interested in the rigged elections we've been having and the rampant sexism that saw 2 female prime ministers in almost as many years and 3 major female leaders of major political parties simultaneously. That list is so ridiculously vague and doesn't really apply to mcarosocial trends at all, let alone the political system. Reading "facism" from standard centre right conservatism is the exact problem with the extreme leftist positions so many take. It is like the internet has radicalised a core of disaffected well meaning centre leftists who have lost the ability to articulate their ideas well enough to be adopted by the masses. Tony Blair was right about having the centre ground being important and 2009 was the last time the country had any sense of balance. Theresa May - PM in 2016 - 2019 Liz thingy - PM in 2022 That's not 2 years. But maybe maths isn't a strong subject? Tony Blair was all about the education x3, wasn't he? Really admired his handiwork in Basra and Baghdad too. Liz Truss was completely useless but she was elected via the Cons party system, in exactly the same way as all the male PMs before and the one after. The world can still be sexist and allow for the existence of female leaders. Sexism existing and a society being rampantly sexist and patriarchal aren't the same thing. 2019-2022 was 3 years (i was out by 1 year ...sorry.) Liz Truss was elected by the tory party - the ones you claim are madly sexist. Watching porn doesnt make you sexist. The invasion of Iraq wasn't a problem and the uk military didnt then blow the place up once sadam was gone. Poor post invasion planning meant the subsequent insurgency was a cluster fuck. You think sadam should have been left alone? If the US hadnt disbanded the iraqi military and had a better plan for continuity and legitimacy in Iraqi leadership it wiuldnt have been that bad. Afghanistan has been a nightmare for hundreds of years and as now seen since the Taliban came back, we did a lot of good. Neither of those wars was facistic in nature. Neither were they colonialist. 2 female PMs in as many years - TM started in 2016, which is 6 years before LT, but never mind. Where did porn get mentioned?? Though lots of it is highly misogynistic, it's probably a topic for a different thread. Maybe Tom can cook something light-hearted up about the rough sex defence? Society at large is still inherently sexist and patriarchal, yes. The constructs of governance and all sorts have been designed and refined predominantly by men and we still don't have a system that is genuinely inclusive (to women, to disabled people and myriad other less privileged groups). " Society isn't patriarchal. There are asymmetries in the experiences of the sexes and men and women suffer different oppressions. Women are not more oppressed than men. For every stastic claiming to show this is a stat showing a disproportionate suffering of men in another or a similar or even identical dimension. | |||
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" Their curbs on right to strike arent facist though. They are centre right and perfectly in keeping with what you would expect from a normal conservative approach to trade union relations I think I might need to make this easier to understand. The list of fascism indicators isn't a series of stand alone bullet points. You don't have to hit every target to show your true colours. But the more indicators you engage with, the closer you are getting to fascism. I have used the phrase a slide toward fascism. I don't mind if you don't agree, other than the danger of them actually becoming fascist and nobody realising until it's too late. I'm off to look at hot pics for a while, so I might not catch up until tomorrow. Gbat " Read a book on facism while you're gone. You migh have a better grasp on it to then be able to discuss it reasonably. | |||
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"Theresa May - PM in 2016 - 2019 Liz thingy - PM in 2022 Gary Lineker - World Cup Golden Boot in 1986. Makes you think. It does indeed. Italia 90, shitting the pitch. What's it coming to now? England were beaten in the turd place play off that year. The clues were there." Baggioooooooooo!!!!!!!! | |||
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"Try criticising the chief, the religion, etc... these were not free thinking liberal places - they were places where your neighbouring tribe might steal you away as a sla*e. The current UK govt are slowly sliding into open fascism! I've duplicated below the 14 signs of fascism (you can google the sources). Powerful and continuing nationalism. Disdain for human rights. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Supremacy of the military. Rampant sexism. Controlled mass media. Obsession with national security. Religion and government intertwined. Corporate power protected. Labor [sic] power suppressed Disdain for intellectuals & the arts Obsession with crime & punishment Rampant cronyism & corruption Fraudulent elections I'm sure you can think of quite a few recent examples that fit the above. Just so I'm clear, societies that are fascist or leaning toward fascism, are not the most egalitarian. Gbat " What nonsense! Every single one of those sensationalist buzz phrases is so ambiguous that it can be applied to any party, of any leaning, in any time period and in any country. Bess x | |||
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" Society isn't patriarchal. There are asymmetries in the experiences of the sexes and men and women suffer different oppressions. Women are not more oppressed than men. For every stastic claiming to show this is a stat showing a disproportionate suffering of men in another or a similar or even identical dimension." British society is patriarchal. Britain is joint 26th in the global gender inequality index. We're equal with Montenegro. I think most Brits would be surprised at that, but there we are. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index And this is by our Government themselves: https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/status-of-women-and-girls-in-the-uk-since-2010/ There remains a gender pay gap. Women experience a greater proportion of their lives with disability/poor health, on average, despite living longer on average. Women are more likely to be under diagnosed or remain undiagnosed or diagnosed with a mental health condition instead of a physical health condition. Women's pain is routinely disbelieved and attributed to psychosomatic origin. The gender pay gap remains despite women being more likely to enter HE and achieve higher average grades. Women's representation in STEM-related employment remains stubbornly low, despite women making up more of the entrants to a host of STEM degrees. Women are far less likely than men to take part in sports and physical activity. The reasons "why" to all of the above lie in a society rooted in a patriarchal system. | |||
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" Society isn't patriarchal. There are asymmetries in the experiences of the sexes and men and women suffer different oppressions. Women are not more oppressed than men. For every stastic claiming to show this is a stat showing a disproportionate suffering of men in another or a similar or even identical dimension. British society is patriarchal. Britain is joint 26th in the global gender inequality index. We're equal with Montenegro. I think most Brits would be surprised at that, but there we are. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index And this is by our Government themselves: https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/status-of-women-and-girls-in-the-uk-since-2010/ There remains a gender pay gap. Women experience a greater proportion of their lives with disability/poor health, on average, despite living longer on average. Women are more likely to be under diagnosed or remain undiagnosed or diagnosed with a mental health condition instead of a physical health condition. Women's pain is routinely disbelieved and attributed to psychosomatic origin. The gender pay gap remains despite women being more likely to enter HE and achieve higher average grades. Women's representation in STEM-related employment remains stubbornly low, despite women making up more of the entrants to a host of STEM degrees. Women are far less likely than men to take part in sports and physical activity. The reasons "why" to all of the above lie in a society rooted in a patriarchal system. " Gender pay gap is a myth. It is an earnings gap. Women on average work less hours and in lower paying professions bu choice. They also stop work for 10 years when they have kids. They are less likely to seek promotion to senior management. They work in industries with less scalable pay. They take more sick days. Men represent more than double the suicides annually. Men are most likely to be divorced by their partner instigating it within a year of losign their job. Men are kore likely to be killed or injired at work because they do more dangerous jobs that attract higher pay for that reason Women STILL retire before men at 66 compared to 66 for men and the WASPI women claim that isnt fair ON THEM. Men do less well in school and at university than women. Women live longer than men There are asymmetries in the oppression men and women experience but society is clearly not patriarchal. | |||
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"The gender pay gap is certainly not a myth, but never mind. Can you not see how, if men are doing less well in education, yet STILL earn more, get promoted more and all the rest, we have a problem? Why don't more men stay at home and do the bulk of childcare? Why can't more women work more hours? Is it because childcare options are horrifically unaffordable and in many places, over subscribed? I'm a living example of a genuine gender pay gap. Same role, same title, less pay. Gap. Why do women live a greater proportion of their lives with disabilities or ill health? Is it because they are dismissed as hysterical and depressed too often? Unfortunately rates of suicide in young women are catching up, something we don't want to have as equality. I agree the issue of suicide in men is a big problem and we need to tackle it. I have no issues with the pension age being the same for men and women but what many women did/do object to are the goalposts changing with little notice and little opportunity to reassess financial plans. You have to remember many women in the impacted age groups do not have occupational pensions or have small occupational pensions because they are in the age groups who did, due to society at the time, have to stop working to raise families etc. Many WASPIs don't even qualify for a full state pension because they made lower contributions, so asking them to forgo what they'd expected to receive is further problematic. Women living longer are therefore living without their male spouse's state pension etc. to top up, placing them further in poverty, potentially. Having a proper "start point" for pension equity, clearly advertised with enough years to plan and save is not an issue at all. " You wilfully ignore the overwhelming evidence against you. Fyi it is illegal to pay someone less for the same work. Either you are notnas good as your colleagues or else your employer has broken the law and you can take them to a tribunal. Because the system isn't patriarchal and you are protected from sexist workplace practices | |||
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"The gender pay gap is certainly not a myth, but never mind. Can you not see how, if men are doing less well in education, yet STILL earn more, get promoted more and all the rest, we have a problem? Why don't more men stay at home and do the bulk of childcare? Why can't more women work more hours? Is it because childcare options are horrifically unaffordable and in many places, over subscribed? I'm a living example of a genuine gender pay gap. Same role, same title, less pay. Gap. Why do women live a greater proportion of their lives with disabilities or ill health? Is it because they are dismissed as hysterical and depressed too often? Unfortunately rates of suicide in young women are catching up, something we don't want to have as equality. I agree the issue of suicide in men is a big problem and we need to tackle it. I have no issues with the pension age being the same for men and women but what many women did/do object to are the goalposts changing with little notice and little opportunity to reassess financial plans. You have to remember many women in the impacted age groups do not have occupational pensions or have small occupational pensions because they are in the age groups who did, due to society at the time, have to stop working to raise families etc. Many WASPIs don't even qualify for a full state pension because they made lower contributions, so asking them to forgo what they'd expected to receive is further problematic. Women living longer are therefore living without their male spouse's state pension etc. to top up, placing them further in poverty, potentially. Having a proper "start point" for pension equity, clearly advertised with enough years to plan and save is not an issue at all. You wilfully ignore the overwhelming evidence against you. Fyi it is illegal to pay someone less for the same work. Either you are notnas good as your colleagues or else your employer has broken the law and you can take them to a tribunal. Because the system isn't patriarchal and you are protected from sexist workplace practices" Ah well that's sexism in the workplace sorted! No structural inequality in lovely Britain. Jolly good | |||
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" Fyi it is illegal to pay someone less for the same work. Either you are notnas good as your colleagues or else your employer has broken the law and you can take them to a tribunal. Because the system isn't patriarchal and you are protected from sexist workplace practices" Yes, my colleague is much better than me, because he is a man. I'm well aware of my rights, thank you. | |||
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"Gary Lineker is the only player to have been top goalscorer in England with three clubs: Leicester City, Everton and Tottenham Hotspur." And shit on a pitch. | |||
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"What's Gary done to earn your ire? He likes Australia Probably Don't be daft, Pickle. Australia doesn't exist!!
Then who’s robbing all our profile for their wank-bank …erm, “research”? "Sydney. It's a person, not a place. | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. " What’s your job? Why don’t you stick to that instead of sticking your nose into Gary’s business? | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. " Politics is everyone's business. You can give your political views as much as GL can, but because he's already famous, people want to hear what he has to say. Just because he was a footballer, doesn't men he can't have reasonable and impactive views on politics (or otherwise). Gbat (ps. Is he not a "real sports presenter?") | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. " "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. Politics is everyone's business. You can give your political views as much as GL can, but because he's already famous, people want to hear what he has to say. Just because he was a footballer, doesn't men he can't have reasonable and impactive views on politics (or otherwise). Gbat (ps. Is he not a "real sports presenter?")" No, I don’t consider him a “real” sports presenter, like the ones I mentioned. Or hazel irvine. I have no wish to be lectured by a multi-millionaire ex-footballer on politics and social issues. He should stick to what he knows, football. Or run for parliament | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent." Gary Lineker is so named because he is not a KGB agent. | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent." True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. " Hang on. True? | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. Hang on. True?" Well you said so, so it must be | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. What’s your job? Why don’t you stick to that instead of sticking your nose into Gary’s business? " | |||
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"The gender pay gap is certainly not a myth, but never mind. Can you not see how, if men are doing less well in education, yet STILL earn more, get promoted more and all the rest, we have a problem? Why don't more men stay at home and do the bulk of childcare? Why can't more women work more hours? Is it because childcare options are horrifically unaffordable and in many places, over subscribed? I'm a living example of a genuine gender pay gap. Same role, same title, less pay. Gap. Why do women live a greater proportion of their lives with disabilities or ill health? Is it because they are dismissed as hysterical and depressed too often? Unfortunately rates of suicide in young women are catching up, something we don't want to have as equality. I agree the issue of suicide in men is a big problem and we need to tackle it. I have no issues with the pension age being the same for men and women but what many women did/do object to are the goalposts changing with little notice and little opportunity to reassess financial plans. You have to remember many women in the impacted age groups do not have occupational pensions or have small occupational pensions because they are in the age groups who did, due to society at the time, have to stop working to raise families etc. Many WASPIs don't even qualify for a full state pension because they made lower contributions, so asking them to forgo what they'd expected to receive is further problematic. Women living longer are therefore living without their male spouse's state pension etc. to top up, placing them further in poverty, potentially. Having a proper "start point" for pension equity, clearly advertised with enough years to plan and save is not an issue at all. You wilfully ignore the overwhelming evidence against you. Fyi it is illegal to pay someone less for the same work. Either you are notnas good as your colleagues or else your employer has broken the law and you can take them to a tribunal. Because the system isn't patriarchal and you are protected from sexist workplace practices Ah well that's sexism in the workplace sorted! No structural inequality in lovely Britain. Jolly good "If it is "structural" it means it is the laws, procedures, and practices that produce prejudicial results - it isn't a byword for sexism. If an individual workplace has a culture of sexism that doesnt mean society is sexist. People throw around words and concepts like this with 0 understanding. A patriarchal society, for example, is arguably what we had in the 1920s or 1970s...it certainly exists today in iran or saudi arabia. Saying society is patriarchal because tescos cashiers are paid less than the warehouse workers is utterly bonkers. | |||
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"Camomile tea anyone? " Gary drinks Camomile tea. | |||
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"Camomile tea anyone? Gary drinks Camomile tea." The woke bastard. | |||
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"Camomile tea anyone? Gary drinks Camomile tea." With crisps | |||
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" Fyi it is illegal to pay someone less for the same work. Either you are notnas good as your colleagues or else your employer has broken the law and you can take them to a tribunal. Because the system isn't patriarchal and you are protected from sexist workplace practices Ah well that's sexism in the workplace sorted! No structural inequality in lovely Britain. Jolly good
If it is "structural" it means it is the laws, procedures, and practices that produce prejudicial results - it isn't a byword for sexism. If an individual workplace has a culture of sexism that doesnt mean society is sexist. People throw around words and concepts like this with 0 understanding. A patriarchal society, for example, is arguably what we had in the 1920s or 1970s...it certainly exists today in iran or saudi arabia. Saying society is patriarchal because tescos cashiers are paid less than the warehouse workers is utterly bonkers. "ideas of a structurally and/ or systemically unequal society also encompass what laws DO NOT do and what is culturally acceptable also. Things like r*pe culture which is legitimised throughout society and a legal system that doesn’t protect victims well enough or provocatively protect its women citizens. Or the economic devaluing of work within the home which predominantly impacts women. Legislation that doesn’t do enough to make childcare affordable and therefore accessible predominantly impacts women. Etc. Legislation that legitimises inequalities or that creates situations that predominantly impact specific groups negatively which this lead to health inequalities and higher rates of deaths ARE signifiers of a structural issue. Legislation doesn’t change attitudes. And specific attitudes that lawmakers have directly impacts who laws DO protect and who they DO NOT. Classic example of systemic issues in this country are around policing of Black communities which have, even in very recent governments, been legitimised and encouraged create so many racial inequalities and also reproduce racist stereotypes. That’s inequality as much as Pay differences. Same with Government reports recently acknowledging that Black women are dying in childbirth at higher rates but not setting any targets or any practises to tackle that issue. That is a systemic issue and is reflective of a massive societal inequality. Obvs I can go on but this isn’t an essay so I won’t. | |||
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"Camomile tea anyone? Gary drinks Camomile tea. With crisps " What flavour though?? | |||
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"Gary Lineker is the only player to have been top goalscorer in England with three clubs: Leicester City, Everton and Tottenham Hotspur. And shit on a pitch." We covered that peach last night | |||
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"Gary Lineker is the only player to have been top goalscorer in England with three clubs: Leicester City, Everton and Tottenham Hotspur. And shit on a pitch. We covered that peach last night "He covered the pitch in 1990 | |||
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"These threads are a predictable as dropping a lit match into a petrol can" Oh Jesus … you mentioned fossil fuels! | |||
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"These threads are a predictable as dropping a lit match into a petrol can Oh Jesus … you mentioned fossil fuels! " Has anyone ever thought about electric cars? | |||
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"Camomile tea anyone? Gary drinks Camomile tea. With crisps What flavour though??" Whatever novelty flavour he is trying to push | |||
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"Camomile tea anyone? Gary drinks Camomile tea. With crisps What flavour though?? Whatever novelty flavour he is trying to push " Liquorice? | |||
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"He tries to be woke but it doesn’t come across as genuine to me. It looks like he’s trying ‘too hard’
Maybe his £30,000,000 net worth sort of tips him towards being a bit on the champagne socialist side of life? "Just because you’ve done well for yourself does that mean you can’t be socialist? | |||
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"So the mail list does not seem to understand what woke actually means. The term derives from the Bronx and means to be aware descrinination. MSN defines it as The term “woke” is used to describe a heightened awareness of social injustices (perceaved or factual). It does not mean anyone who just happens to be a socialist or gay etc. So Garry Liniker is woke because he showed an awareness of what he perceaved were government laws discriminatory to alyslum seekers and refugees. Not quite sure how Philip Scholfeild or the SNP Leader can be considered woke. " It appears to mean anyone who’s not a rampant right winger. And for that I’m quite proud to be woke | |||
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"He tries to be woke but it doesn’t come across as genuine to me. It looks like he’s trying ‘too hard’
Maybe his £30,000,000 net worth sort of tips him towards being a bit on the champagne socialist side of life?
Just because you’ve done well for yourself does that mean you can’t be socialist?"It doesn’t but Lineker isn’t advocating for any change to the ownership of the means of production as far as I know, so he’s probably not a socialist. Social democrat probably fits him better. | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. " Top tip: don't follow people on twitter you don't like. It does wonders for one's blood pressure. | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. Top tip: don't follow people on twitter you don't like. It does wonders for one's blood pressure." Alternatively: just don't use Twitter (or X, or whatever it's called now) | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. Top tip: don't follow people on twitter you don't like. It does wonders for one's blood pressure. Alternatively: just don't use Twitter (or X, or whatever it's called now)" Even better!! | |||
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"He tries to be woke but it doesn’t come across as genuine to me. It looks like he’s trying ‘too hard’
Maybe his £30,000,000 net worth sort of tips him towards being a bit on the champagne socialist side of life?
Just because you’ve done well for yourself does that mean you can’t be socialist?
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. Top tip: don't follow people on twitter you don't like. It does wonders for one's blood pressure. Alternatively: just don't use Twitter (or X, or whatever it's called now)" I don’t use Twitter. But media tend to report what some people have posted. Similarly, I don’t use Trump’s platform but still hear about some of the things he has posted | |||
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"Football presenters sticking their noses into politics because they think they have “a platform” is just so wrong. Real sports presenters in the past didn’t do this … Dan maskell, Steve Ryder, des lynam, Ted Lowe, David Coleman … they did the commentary or presented the show, and left it at that. "Whispering" Ted Lowe was so named because he was actually a KGB agent. True. But we didn’t have to put up with preachy tweets from him. Top tip: don't follow people on twitter you don't like. It does wonders for one's blood pressure." Thanks for the tip. But you don’t have to follow lineker, or even be on Twitter / x, to be aware of some of the things he has posted. | |||
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"Great that Gary has made some of the stands that he has!
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