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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've been reading the reports into Mid Staffs Trust and watching the news this morning and I can't help feel anything but revulsion at the shocking way patients were treated at Mid Staffs NHS Trust. We've had debates before about the NHS and there's no point reiterating how we feel about the NHS in general, but this example of woefully inadequate care borders on the criminal. The Chief Exec resigned last month but it's now emerged he was actually suspended on full pay pending the outcome of the inquiry. I feel he should be prosecuted for the deaths of between 400-1200 more people above what is the national death rate in NHS hospitals. He should serve jail time for his appalling policy of cuts & savings at the expense of patient's lives. 
It takes a lot to shock me but this certainly has! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I heard a number of the relative on Today telling of their experience. Some insisted the poor treatment had gone on for days.
I don't understand this. How could anyone allow their parent, child, spouse or even just a friend to be mistreated for longer than a few minutes?
Once you discover something like that, you don't leave the bedside till it's sorted. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I heard a number of the relative on Today telling of their experience. Some insisted the poor treatment had gone on for days.
I don't understand this. How could anyone allow their parent, child, spouse or even just a friend to be mistreated for longer than a few minutes?
Once you discover something like that, you don't leave the bedside till it's sorted."
As a relative you are caught between a rock and a hard place. Whilst you feel compelled to act you are struck motionless with the fear if whatever you do leads to prolonged suffering for your loved one, or maybe even contribute to that person's demise. The nurses make you feel inadequate and worthless. This was the case with my mum when she had her hip replacement. She was immobilised for a week and she developed bed sores, which was expected, but they were left untreated for days until my sister (a former Army nurse) marched in and took over. The roasting she gave those nurses was a sight to behold and my lil sis is not someone you want to be roasted by.
I wanted to say something myself but as I said above, I was paralysed with the fear I'd make things worse if I did. Fortunately, my sis knew she could only make things better, but then she'd had the training these inept nurses clearly hadn't received. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This is the case of one victim of Stafford Hospital. It made me feel physically sick when I read it:
"Ellen L*******, 67, caught both Clostridium difficile (C.diff) and MRSA at Stafford Hospital while being treated for bone cancer.
Her daughter Deb H********* said the wards were "filthy" and she would often have to wash faeces off her mother's hands.
She said: "What I witnessed on the wards I will take to my grave and it spurs me on to make sure it never happens again to anyone else."
When Mrs L******* died in December 2006 her body was so badly infected with C. difficile that she had to be buried in a sealed body bag.
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This place is not too far from me. All I can say is the impact is still hitting all the local hospitals, Stafford still does not have a A and E dept at night. People prefer to travel than use their services.
So who do you blame, accountants that run it or staff on wards. Standing on the outside it is easy to throw the blame, all anyone can do is hope the dept of health sorts it and dam quick.
Before you start ranting at me, I am very proud to have two sisters that are nurses and a niece, besides loads of friends. It a hard job at any time but gets worst with cuts and managerial pressure applied. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This place is not too far from me. All I can say is the impact is still hitting all the local hospitals, Stafford still does not have a A and E dept at night. People prefer to travel than use their services.
So who do you blame, accountants that run it or staff on wards. Standing on the outside it is easy to throw the blame, all anyone can do is hope the dept of health sorts it and dam quick.
Before you start ranting at me, I am very proud to have two sisters that are nurses and a niece, besides loads of friends. It a hard job at any time but gets worst with cuts and managerial pressure applied."
I'm not going to rant at you. You live local to this appalling hospital and I'm not surprised nobody wants to go there for treatment as I'm sure they feel they'll never come out alive again.
Morcambe Bay is another hospital identified as having a poor level of care and I thank my lucky stars we live in Gateshead where we have the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on our side of the Tyne and the RVI and Freeman Hospitals on the Newcastle side. All of them have good reputations but even I have noticed the levels of care in the QE Maternity Unit have dropped significantly between the birth of our son in 2009 and our daughter in 2012. It not difficult see from those dates who was in power at the time, and where we have a Labour run council up here the cuts ordered by Whitehall have been made by our council on front line services, and it shows too.
Mid Staffs NHS Trust's problems are down to the management there and the prevalent culture of cover-up and intimidation to staff and patients who complained about poor care, and this has been going on since 2002!
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"This place is not too far from me. All I can say is the impact is still hitting all the local hospitals, Stafford still does not have a A and E dept at night. People prefer to travel than use their services.
So who do you blame, accountants that run it or staff on wards. Standing on the outside it is easy to throw the blame, all anyone can do is hope the dept of health sorts it and dam quick.
Before you start ranting at me, I am very proud to have two sisters that are nurses and a niece, besides loads of friends. It a hard job at any time but gets worst with cuts and managerial pressure applied.
I'm not going to rant at you. You live local to this appalling hospital and I'm not surprised nobody wants to go there for treatment as I'm sure they feel they'll never come out alive again.
Morcambe Bay is another hospital identified as having a poor level of care and I thank my lucky stars we live in Gateshead where we have the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on our side of the Tyne and the RVI and Freeman Hospitals on the Newcastle side. All of them have good reputations but even I have noticed the levels of care in the QE Maternity Unit have dropped significantly between the birth of our son in 2009 and our daughter in 2012. It not difficult see from those dates who was in power at the time, and where we have a Labour run council up here the cuts ordered by Whitehall have been made by our council on front line services, and it shows too.
Mid Staffs NHS Trust's problems are down to the management there and the prevalent culture of cover-up and intimidation to staff and patients who complained about poor care, and this has been going on since 2002!
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And now they are finding hard to get new staff to work for them. Shortage of staff from nursing though to doctors, porters and even lab staff.
Someone needs to grab it by the neck and shake all the crap out and make it into a good hospital. |
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"And now they are finding hard to get new staff to work for them. Shortage of staff from nursing though to doctors, porters and even lab staff.
Someone needs to grab it by the neck and shake all the crap out and make it into a good hospital."
It sounds like professional medical staff don't want to be found guilty by association with the place, which may go some way to explaining why it has had poor levels of staff there.
It's more than astonishing that receptionists without training manning the front desk at A&E were tasked with performing an initial diagnosis to new arrivals. |
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"And now they are finding hard to get new staff to work for them. Shortage of staff from nursing though to doctors, porters and even lab staff.
Someone needs to grab it by the neck and shake all the crap out and make it into a good hospital.
It sounds like professional medical staff don't want to be found guilty by association with the place, which may go some way to explaining why it has had poor levels of staff there.
It's more than astonishing that receptionists without training manning the front desk at A&E were tasked with performing an initial diagnosis to new arrivals."
As I said A and E is closed on a night and as such added vital minutes in transporting cases miles away. Just the thought of it all makes me sick. We are all intitled to a good NHS service at a reasonable cost. |
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Somebody needs to be held accountable..
there have been and are some very highly paid people at the heads of these Trusts...
with that level of salary there has to be a responsibility for when the system fails..
Fact is pretty much the whole of the public sector has been accountable to the box ticking and target culture for the last 20 + years..
The pressure is top down driven by folk often on performance related pay..
the quality of the service being delivered to the service users has diminished..
yes there are other factors, current staffing levels are being reduced despite what we are being told...
In Health care we have a larger proportion of society in the age bracket where the needs are greater and the pressure will only increase..
Mrs Surrey is a nurse of 35+ years, she and colleagues of her age cant wait to leave...
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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This is an appalling case. What was the Trust Board doing at this time? Why did no clinician blow the whistle? Where was the Care Quality Commission inspections?
I don't understand how it could go on for so long. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been reading the reports into Mid Staffs Trust and watching the news this morning and I can't help feel anything but revulsion at the shocking way patients were treated at Mid Staffs NHS Trust. We've had debates before about the NHS and there's no point reiterating how we feel about the NHS in general, but this example of woefully inadequate care borders on the criminal. The Chief Exec resigned last month but it's now emerged he was actually suspended on full pay pending the outcome of the inquiry. I feel he should be prosecuted for the deaths of between 400-1200 more people above what is the national death rate in NHS hospitals. He should serve jail time for his appalling policy of cuts & savings at the expense of patient's lives.
It takes a lot to shock me but this certainly has!"
Rock and a hard place. Neither the National Health nor Education should not be squeezed in this way. They may be costsly but they are the future of our country and community. Financial targets have taken precedence over care. We will see the results and it isn't looking good ................
It is essentially the fault of the Goverment who made the first management decisions and imposed them.
Flavour of the month where I work is more for less. This cannot go on unless we wish to head for disaster. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This is an appalling case. What was the Trust Board doing at this time? Why did no clinician blow the whistle? Where was the Care Quality Commission inspections?
I don't understand how it could go on for so long."
There is a news feature on one of the whistle-blowers employed by the CQC. She tells how she has become tainted for blowing the whistle.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21323871 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't understand how it could go on for so long."
It went on for this long because of the culture of intimidation by hospital administrators when patients, relatives of patients and hospital staff complained about the lack of care. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I don't understand how it could go on for so long.
It went on for this long because of the culture of intimidation by hospital administrators when patients, relatives of patients and hospital staff complained about the lack of care."
How can you allow yourself to be intimidated when your Grannie is lying in a pile of shit? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I had to go to A and E for extreme pain in my back. I could not move. They gave me the initial once over and left me in the waiting room with no painkillers, unable to move and took no notice of me until I was crying out loud with the pain.
I am no shrinking violet but when you are ill or in pain you are at your most vulnerable.
Relatives may be scared that if they kick off they will make things worse for their loved one.
We are but human. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't understand how it could go on for so long.
It went on for this long because of the culture of intimidation by hospital administrators when patients, relatives of patients and hospital staff complained about the lack of care.
How can you allow yourself to be intimidated when your Grannie is lying in a pile of shit?"
If most people were as strong-minded as you then I'm sure things like what has happened at Stafford Hospital could never happen. Now that we've seen how medical staff try to make you feel like you are simply whining, I think we'd all be a little bit more forceful when we witness our loved ones being treated appallingly, and have the back up of the local authority if the hospital tries to railroad us. |
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