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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone else have a letter from the Mayor of London telling you that your vehicle will be heavily charged if entering and offering 2k in scrap value? I live nowhere near London, have never driven around it and never plan too! |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
It won't save the planet but it might save some lives in London.
I did see a meeting/debate where someone said it will have no impact on pollution in the air except for NO2, which will be a small change.
We shall see. |
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By *an1978Woman
over a year ago
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It is about health not money...
The same government taking payments for dumping sewage into rivers and seas?
As it happens my car is ULEZ compliant, but there will be many businesses that won't survive as their customers won't come in with the crazy charges.
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By *ullyMan
over a year ago
Near Clacton |
Just another tax, of course. All U.K governments see motorists as cash cows.
I saw independent study online on all of this pollution nonsense, well nonsense as far as the U.K is concerned. The U.K emits less than 0.2 % of pollution into the atmosphere so it's impact is so tiny it makes little or no difference globally.
And EV's cause more pollution in their making than any other kind of vehicle in manufacture! Also look for the tyre fields, burning millions of tyres in places like the Arab states, set on fire instead of being recycled. And that's not unique either other countries do the same. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
It's a cash grab by the Nightmayor of London to disguise the fact he is financially incompetent.TFL's own study shows it will have no impact.Very soon ULEZ will stand for Ultra Low Economic Zone.
If he and Londoners want to do something about air quality sort out the poisonous gas pipeline that is the London Underground. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"Just another tax, of course. All U.K governments see motorists as cash cows.
I saw independent study online on all of this pollution nonsense, well nonsense as far as the U.K is concerned. The U.K emits less than 0.2 % of pollution into the atmosphere so it's impact is so tiny it makes little or no difference globally.
And EV's cause more pollution in their making than any other kind of vehicle in manufacture! Also look for the tyre fields, burning millions of tyres in places like the Arab states, set on fire instead of being recycled. And that's not unique either other countries do the same."
It's supposed to be to cut pollution in London because people are developing asthma and some are dying because of it.
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Just another tax, of course. All U.K governments see motorists as cash cows.
I saw independent study online on all of this pollution nonsense, well nonsense as far as the U.K is concerned. The U.K emits less than 0.2 % of pollution into the atmosphere so it's impact is so tiny it makes little or no difference globally.
And EV's cause more pollution in their making than any other kind of vehicle in manufacture! Also look for the tyre fields, burning millions of tyres in places like the Arab states, set on fire instead of being recycled. And that's not unique either other countries do the same.
It's supposed to be to cut pollution in London because people are developing asthma and some are dying because of it.
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Absolutely no evidence to support that claim,which is why no medical professionals are putting their name to statements of that kind. |
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"Glasgow recently introduced one and it's only the gas guzzlers it's taxing by the looks of it. My car is not taxed so not affecting me."
My (diesel) car is zero VED but would not be ULEZ compliant, if I actually drove in London. So, being in a zero VED category doesn't automatically mean compliant with newer things like ULEZ. If they brought it in here without offering significant money to scrap, I'd be unable to work and function. My car is not only a car but also has a hoist fitted in the boot (at my own expense) which would either need refitting into a new car, which would have to be automatic, OR I'd need to buy and have installed a whole new hoist. It cost me £1500 last time so I can hardly afford to have it done over and over. Public transport here is completely inadequate if you are disabled and barely adequate if able bodied. One couldn't work FT and do child pick up/drop offs and rely on public transport. Impossible. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
Won't save the planet.
Won't save any lives.
Won't improve London's air quality.
Won't solve the black hole in TFL finances (which is the sole reason for the expansion).
Will be a massive financial hardship for working people.
Will push working families out of London financially.
Will be another step on the road to making driving a privilege reserved for financially better off.
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I'm against it btw. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A tax that will pave the way for 'pay per mile' or 'pay per minute' driving.
Think of it this way, if (according to Khan) 90% of cars entering London are already compliant, then what will the cameras be used for in a few years, when 99% of cars are compliant?
I can't see them pulling them down and congratulating themselves for a job well done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It is about health not money...
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If it was really about health then he'd introduce new taxes on chip shops, tobacconists and anyone selling meat.
Oh, and maybe tackle toxic air on the Tube. |
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So many questions about this ULEZ expansion.
How does charging people to drive stop pollution. We all have to make our journeys out of necessity and will HAVE to pay regardless so it’s not stopping anything.
The congestion charge hasn’t stopped London being one of if not the most congested city in Europe so does taxing a situation solve anything?
How on earth does Sadiq Cunt expect family’s to afford £12.50 a day
Young people passing tests, first car usually a little £1500 with the help of parents. What now!?!
What when the older cars phase out as they are? Move the bar again to a euro 7 compliant engine…no it’s pay per mile for everyone.
I can’t believe he’s got away with it and we have stood for it like mugs. When will we stand up for ourselves and each other. Yeah I care about the environment but making money out of a situation doesn’t solve the thing. Policing has gone to shit, the streets in general are dirty and horrid, people are stressed and tensions high with costs of living and he pulls this little stunt. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can’t believe he’s got away with it and we have stood for it like mugs. When will we stand up for ourselves and each other."
I can believe it. The British are way too complacent and compliant to stand up to anyone unless the government tells them to.
We could learn a lot from the French in this regard. |
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"I can’t believe he’s got away with it and we have stood for it like mugs. When will we stand up for ourselves and each other.
I can believe it. The British are way too complacent and compliant to stand up to anyone unless the government tells them to.
We could learn a lot from the French in this regard."
Yes you’re quite right and I stand corrected. We sit back and have our moan then suffer the consequences. I protested, I wrote to Mayor of London with concerns how this impacts my business. We don’t have 100k to replace the lorries, but got a reply that was standard issue bollocks. We need to relocate, target surrounding counties to avoid ULEZ, some staff will lose their jobs as a result….great right. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"I can’t believe he’s got away with it and we have stood for it like mugs. When will we stand up for ourselves and each other.
I can believe it. The British are way too complacent and compliant to stand up to anyone unless the government tells them to.
We could learn a lot from the French in this regard."
Totally agree, British moan and grumble but never take meaningful action. We just let the authorities get away with it time and time again |
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I can see the benefits of vehicles that pollute less. That being said, I could drive the world's most polluting vehicle and providing I pay £12.50 I can gas as many children as I like. Not entirely sure that makes sense  |
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"So many questions about this ULEZ expansion.
How does charging people to drive stop pollution. We all have to make our journeys out of necessity and will HAVE to pay regardless so it’s not stopping anything.
The congestion charge hasn’t stopped London being one of if not the most congested city in Europe so does taxing a situation solve anything?
How on earth does Sadiq Cunt expect family’s to afford £12.50 a day
Young people passing tests, first car usually a little £1500 with the help of parents. What now!?!
What when the older cars phase out as they are? Move the bar again to a euro 7 compliant engine…no it’s pay per mile for everyone.
I can’t believe he’s got away with it and we have stood for it like mugs. When will we stand up for ourselves and each other. Yeah I care about the environment but making money out of a situation doesn’t solve the thing. Policing has gone to shit, the streets in general are dirty and horrid, people are stressed and tensions high with costs of living and he pulls this little stunt. "
I don't think many first cars cost £1500 anymore. You can maybe buy half a car for that now. My first car, an M reg Corsa, cost me nearly £1500 in 2003, for context. |
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It's a change that reduces pollution, primarily for human safety. Children have died due to traffic pollution, like thousands of others every year. Millions of others suffer ill-health, shortening their lives and quality of life.
The UK has the intelligence and abilities to solve this, including caring for those impacted by charges.
Don't let lifesaving measures get used by politicians to sway you, for their financial gain. |
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"So many questions about this ULEZ expansion.
How does charging people to drive stop pollution. We all have to make our journeys out of necessity and will HAVE to pay regardless so it’s not stopping anything.
The congestion charge hasn’t stopped London being one of if not the most congested city in Europe so does taxing a situation solve anything?
How on earth does Sadiq Cunt expect family’s to afford £12.50 a day
Young people passing tests, first car usually a little £1500 with the help of parents. What now!?!
What when the older cars phase out as they are? Move the bar again to a euro 7 compliant engine…no it’s pay per mile for everyone.
I can’t believe he’s got away with it and we have stood for it like mugs. When will we stand up for ourselves and each other. Yeah I care about the environment but making money out of a situation doesn’t solve the thing. Policing has gone to shit, the streets in general are dirty and horrid, people are stressed and tensions high with costs of living and he pulls this little stunt. "
The charges have reduced pollution. |
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We have a clean air zone in Birmingham.
Its an £8 charge if your car doesnt tick the right box.
I have to pay if I drive into Birmingham even though I pay no road tax as my car co2 is very low but my neighbours older petrol car doesnt have to pay.
Its a tax and nothing to do with air quality, if they really cared about air quality they would ban all cars in the City but it seems if I pay this charge I can drive all over the place polluting everyone.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Children have died due to traffic pollution."
That's the fault of the parents for breeding in a big city.
Every child has its own carbon footprint -- you cannot consistently care for the environment and continue to breed. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Children have died due to traffic pollution.
That's the fault of the parents for breeding in a big city.
Every child has its own carbon footprint -- you cannot consistently care for the environment and continue to breed."
There is not one single Coroner's report or COD that states traffic pollution.Does Nightmayor Khan think he can stop the wind? A few years back dust from the Sahara travelled here.That would suggest traffic pollution from elsewhere can travel here to,but even TFL data shows air cleanliness is below the UN pollution threshold,even at rush hour the air quality is below the limit(dark to light blue= clean,yellow to red= polluted) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ros Atkins of the BBC has a useful 9 minute presentation on this.
As usual people (including the idiot BoJo) blame Sadiq Khan, but forget that the Tory Govt (and BoJo as Mayor) introduced the first zone around City of London, the Tory Govt advocated its expansion for inside the North Circ, and the studies do show those have reduced air pollution - whilst the Imperial College study also suggests it could save 4,000 lives.
As far as money making, in the first few years it will make money, but given the Govt is phasing out new petrol cars by 2030 and hybrid cars by 2035, it will not make money in the long run.
Also, to say Sadiq has mismanged the finances is wrong. TfL were affected by the covid restrictions with people not using public transport (either because we were not allowed out or because the Govt told us to keep our distance so we switched to cars, bikes, etc), but this year there finances are predicted to be nearly £80M in surplus.
I have a non ULEZ compliant car, I did vote against it (selfish), but the majority of those who voted supported its introduction.
It would be good if people looked at the facts and not spout their own prejudices. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a cash grab by the Nightmayor of London to disguise the fact he is financially incompetent.TFL's own study shows it will have no impact.Very soon ULEZ will stand for Ultra Low Economic Zone.
If he and Londoners want to do something about air quality sort out the poisonous gas pipeline that is the London Underground."
I am in agreement with this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Children have died due to traffic pollution.
That's the fault of the parents for breeding in a big city.
Every child has its own carbon footprint -- you cannot consistently care for the environment and continue to breed.
There is not one single Coroner's report or COD that states traffic pollution.Does Nightmayor Khan think he can stop the wind? A few years back dust from the Sahara travelled here.That would suggest traffic pollution from elsewhere can travel here to,but even TFL data shows air cleanliness is below the UN pollution threshold,even at rush hour the air quality is below the limit(dark to light blue= clean,yellow to red= polluted)"
You may want to check the coroners report of 21 Apr 2021 on the child Ella Kissi-Debrah. Do a search and you will find that she was the first person in the world to have air pollution cited as the cause of death - she walked to school along the north circular, air pollution led to her asthma and her death. |
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"Children have died due to traffic pollution.
That's the fault of the parents for breeding in a big city.
Every child has its own carbon footprint -- you cannot consistently care for the environment and continue to breed.
There is not one single Coroner's report or COD that states traffic pollution.Does Nightmayor Khan think he can stop the wind? A few years back dust from the Sahara travelled here.That would suggest traffic pollution from elsewhere can travel here to,but even TFL data shows air cleanliness is below the UN pollution threshold,even at rush hour the air quality is below the limit(dark to light blue= clean,yellow to red= polluted)
You may want to check the coroners report of 21 Apr 2021 on the child Ella Kissi-Debrah. Do a search and you will find that she was the first person in the world to have air pollution cited as the cause of death - she walked to school along the north** circular, air pollution led to her asthma and her death."
** south circular |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
"Ros Atkins of the BBC has a useful 9 minute presentation on this.
As usual people (including the idiot BoJo) blame Sadiq Khan, but forget that the Tory Govt (and BoJo as Mayor) introduced the first zone around City of London, the Tory Govt advocated its expansion for inside the North Circ, and the studies do show those have reduced air pollution - whilst the Imperial College study also suggests it could save 4,000 lives.
As far as money making, in the first few years it will make money, but given the Govt is phasing out new petrol cars by 2030 and hybrid cars by 2035, it will not make money in the long run.
Also, to say Sadiq has mismanged the finances is wrong. TfL were affected by the covid restrictions with people not using public transport (either because we were not allowed out or because the Govt told us to keep our distance so we switched to cars, bikes, etc), but this year there finances are predicted to be nearly £80M in surplus.
I have a non ULEZ compliant car, I did vote against it (selfish), but the majority of those who voted supported its introduction.
It would be good if people looked at the facts and not spout their own prejudices."
Who was in charge during COVID? Khan.who kept the buses etc running when the majority of commuters were at home?Khan.Did the empty transport run for free? No.
TFL's study shows it will have no effect.
The BBC have a long history of mistruths about ULEZ/Climate,especially "climate journalist"Justin Rowlat.Ot would be good if people looked outside the Guardian and the BBC and not spouting their prejudices. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"Children have died due to traffic pollution.
That's the fault of the parents for breeding in a big city.
Every child has its own carbon footprint -- you cannot consistently care for the environment and continue to breed.
There is not one single Coroner's report or COD that states traffic pollution.Does Nightmayor Khan think he can stop the wind? A few years back dust from the Sahara travelled here.That would suggest traffic pollution from elsewhere can travel here to,but even TFL data shows air cleanliness is below the UN pollution threshold,even at rush hour the air quality is below the limit(dark to light blue= clean,yellow to red= polluted)
You may want to check the coroners report of 21 Apr 2021 on the child Ella Kissi-Debrah. Do a search and you will find that she was the first person in the world to have air pollution cited as the cause of death - she walked to school along the north circular, air pollution led to her asthma and her death."
The moment that report was published it was critisised throughout the medical and scientific community,the coroner was also criticised for assuming pollution lead to asthma.The coroner's report is nothing more than a tenuous assumption. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Saving the planet? Or just another tax?
Just another tax of course. Its the same "polution", paying for it doesn't make it any less polution. Just lines some other fuckers pocket. "
The irony is that it's the powers that be (Sadiq and govt) policies which cause more air pollution than the type of vehicles people drive.
Khan and TFL could cut air pollution by improving traffic flow but choose not to. |
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"You may want to check the coroners report of 21 Apr 2021 on the child Ella Kissi-Debrah. Do a search and you will find that she was the first person in the world to have air pollution cited as the cause of death - she walked to school along the north circular, air pollution led to her asthma and her death."
London has been polluted since the industrial revolution.
So, what kind of person brings a child into the world in a big city, and then sends them to school in a polluted area? |
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By *oddamnCouple
over a year ago
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"We have a clean air zone in Birmingham.
Its an £8 charge if your car doesnt tick the right box.
I have to pay if I drive into Birmingham even though I pay no road tax as my car co2 is very low but my neighbours older petrol car doesnt have to pay.
Its a tax and nothing to do with air quality, if they really cared about air quality they would ban all cars in the City but it seems if I pay this charge I can drive all over the place polluting everyone.
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I had a 2005 2.5V6 automatic and got charged a penalty for driving into Birmingham. It was Euro 4 compliant but that wasn't good enough for Birmingham.
So I bought a 2008 4.2V8 auto, from the same brand, which is euro 5 compliant and is therefore free to enter Birmingham.
Manufacturers moved their emissions around what the legislation demanded, just as many did for the CO2 emissions. As a highly qualified mechanic, I can promise you that actual real life emissions didn't change. It's a tax. |
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It’s been in place where I live for quite some time because I live within the A406 boundary but my car is compliant so not an issue for me personally as selfish as that sounds.
Additionally, there have also been similar schemes in other areas I’ve driven to like Birmingham so it’s not an alien concept
The LTNs are more of an issue for me but fundamentally I agree with the reasoning, just maybe not the implementation. |
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"Children have died due to traffic pollution.
That's the fault of the parents for breeding in a big city.
Every child has its own carbon footprint -- you cannot consistently care for the environment and continue to breed.
There is not one single Coroner's report or COD that states traffic pollution.Does Nightmayor Khan think he can stop the wind? A few years back dust from the Sahara travelled here.That would suggest traffic pollution from elsewhere can travel here to,but even TFL data shows air cleanliness is below the UN pollution threshold,even at rush hour the air quality is below the limit(dark to light blue= clean,yellow to red= polluted)
You may want to check the coroners report of 21 Apr 2021 on the child Ella Kissi-Debrah. Do a search and you will find that she was the first person in the world to have air pollution cited as the cause of death - she walked to school along the north circular, air pollution led to her asthma and her death.
The moment that report was published it was critisised throughout the medical and scientific community,the coroner was also criticised for assuming pollution lead to asthma.The coroner's report is nothing more than a tenuous assumption."
And there we have a perfect example of the danger of scientists with agendas. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"We have a clean air zone in Birmingham.
Its an £8 charge if your car doesnt tick the right box.
I have to pay if I drive into Birmingham even though I pay no road tax as my car co2 is very low but my neighbours older petrol car doesnt have to pay.
Its a tax and nothing to do with air quality, if they really cared about air quality they would ban all cars in the City but it seems if I pay this charge I can drive all over the place polluting everyone.
I had a 2005 2.5V6 automatic and got charged a penalty for driving into Birmingham. It was Euro 4 compliant but that wasn't good enough for Birmingham.
So I bought a 2008 4.2V8 auto, from the same brand, which is euro 5 compliant and is therefore free to enter Birmingham.
Manufacturers moved their emissions around what the legislation demanded, just as many did for the CO2 emissions. As a highly qualified mechanic, I can promise you that actual real life emissions didn't change. It's a tax."
As a mechanic you will understand the lunacy of taking cars off the road that have years left in them(diesels are capable of way in excess of 250k miles),to replace with new.As for batteries they are finished in 8 years max,so you have to replace the car again,that's why no one has an 8+ year old smart phone.70% more emissions to build an electric car versus ICE (Volvo study), emissions mining rare earth metals for batteries, emissions transporting such metals to battery factory, emissions transporting finished product,shipping cost (container that used to cost £2500 is now £11500,who is paying for that)no recycling of batteries.Once there are no incompliant cars to charge what is Nightmayor Khan going to do? Say well done lads job complete? Not a chance.He will then charge compliant cars for "congestion". |
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