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over a year ago
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"Found not guilty on all charges.
This is more surprising than the twist in The Usual Suspects.
Because?"
Because it was a very well written film shot in such a way, whereby the twist was a marvelous surprise.
This is just, a surprise of a greater amount. Without the cinematic joy.
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"Found not guilty on all charges. "
That's what expected he had this going for years .its cost him fortune and a discrace they way Hollywood treated him .he should be able to sue them now .great actor sure he may have made inappropriate pass but its ridiculous they way he been hounded .
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I was ecstatic to hear the news.
I'm also questioning why this thread hasn't attracted more responses.
I'm sure if he'd been accused all the oooooer and aaaarrrrers and hang him highers would have got this to 175 in half an hour |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
Cochran: …ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Gerald Brof-lovski: Damn it! He's using the Chewbacca defense!
Cochran: Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
This actually serves no purpose. I just like referencing it when it comes to any trial. |
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In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Found not guilty on all charges
Or Soze say."
Haha.
It was worth opening the thread just for this.
Im actualy happy for this result for him. Good luck to his future.  |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
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Is this your spacey version of
"Afleck was da bomb in Phantoms yo!"? |
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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the jury...
Bad taste. Sorry.
Pleased his innocence has been proven but I think it's alway at the cost of his career... another loss.
Pretty sure from early on that it must have been obvious he was innocent and hence, why the media coverage dropped off until the verdict was announced. |
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"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
Is this your spacey version of
"Afleck was da bomb in Phantoms yo!"? "
Was that a Kevin Smith reference? I'm not supposed to be here today  |
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"Cochran: …ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Gerald Brof-lovski: Damn it! He's using the Chewbacca defense!
Cochran: Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
This actually serves no purpose. I just like referencing it when it comes to any trial. "
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
Is this your spacey version of
"Afleck was da bomb in Phantoms yo!"?
Was that a Kevin Smith reference? I'm not supposed to be here today "
It was! |
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By *orl1971Couple
over a year ago
Glasgow |
There are too many cases now where punishment for any alleged sexual crime is a civil financial settlement. Unfortunately that opens these cases to people who want to profit from their allegations.
If I was sexually assaulted I would want the accused convicted and punished by the courts to stop them doing it to someone else. Taking a pay off or seeking a pay off seems too tempting for unscrupulous people to target the rich and famous. The punishment for a crime should be the same whether the accused is a labourer, a doctor, a footballer or an actor. There’s now too much of a compensation culture. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"There are too many cases now where punishment for any alleged sexual crime is a civil financial settlement. Unfortunately that opens these cases to people who want to profit from their allegations.
If I was sexually assaulted I would want the accused convicted and punished by the courts to stop them doing it to someone else. Taking a pay off or seeking a pay off seems too tempting for unscrupulous people to target the rich and famous. The punishment for a crime should be the same whether the accused is a labourer, a doctor, a footballer or an actor. There’s now too much of a compensation culture. "
The burden of proof for a criminal conviction is much higher, beyond all reasonable doubt is the usual expression. Whereas a civil case its the balance of probabilities. So 51% Vs 95%. You don't want to see the conviction rates in R-ape trials, it will depress the fuck out of you. |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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The CPS presented evidence which they believed stood a high chance of conviction,even knowing his defence,that's not free its taxpayers money,they must have been confident it was a wise spend.The Jury reached a different conclusion after hearing it all.Justice in action.Probably correct.
The only problem with the jury system is the jury itself as anyone who has done jury service will know.
I know of one case where an "alpha male" type persuaded the other jurors to go with guilty because he wanted to get home early and mow the lawns before it rains.Some poor bastard was convicted of theft not on the evidence but someone's gardening agenda.Those who have done jury service know this kind of thing is not unusual. |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
Morden |
"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
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I've heard of it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
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I watched it heh. Ruining your no one record there Mr.  |
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"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
I watched it heh. Ruining your no one record there Mr. "
I saw it years ago |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
I watched it heh. Ruining your no one record there Mr.
I saw it years ago "
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"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
Is this your spacey version of
"Afleck was da bomb in Phantoms yo!"?
Was that a Kevin Smith reference? I'm not supposed to be here today
It was! "
Don't want to derail the thread but I'm a long time fan of his |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked  "
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it. "
Some cases tho not guilty is actually Not guilty and people have had their life’s destroyed .
We should do away with trials then as even if people are found not guilty then their still guilty of something..We should just have trial by social media instead .. |
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over a year ago
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it. Some cases tho not guilty is actually Not guilty and people have had their life’s destroyed .
We should do away with trials then as even if people are found not guilty then their still guilty of something..We should just have trial by social media instead .."
I’m never going to be on board with pretending that it is not overwhelmingly likely the case that lots of people get not guilty in cases of sexual violence despite not being innocent. Because I don’t for a second believe that victims are lying so much. And we’re only talking about cases that get to trial. The number is even higher.
Kevin Spacey may well be an innocent man but not going to support this idea that more lives are ruined by false accusations than are ruined by a system that makes it so difficult for victims to get Justice. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it. Some cases tho not guilty is actually Not guilty and people have had their life’s destroyed .
We should do away with trials then as even if people are found not guilty then their still guilty of something..We should just have trial by social media instead .."
Exactly what I was talking about...
It's pretty much always the same. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it. "
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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All I can say is that I once met Kevin Spacey in the Pit Bar and he [REDACTED] and [READCTED] his Old Vic.
He was so insistent that I [REDACTED] and eventually turned up the next day where he [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] and I stayed to watch his Hamlet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty. "
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that. "
That's not what I was doing.I didnt state he was innocent. It's inevitably what others do when anything like this appears in a thread. We had it last week with Mendy.
All I was doing was preempting it, that's allowed isn't it? |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that. "
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Accusations stick, there will always be people that will think he and everyone other person that gets found not guilty is guilty. Which is wrong.
And I agree it is hard for victims to come forward.
I've seen it from both sides and people are far too quick to judge.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
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So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that. |
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"In honour of Mr Spacey’s acquittal, I hereby order all of you to seek out K-Pax at once; it’s an absolutely superb film which no one I ask has ever seemingly even heard of, let alone actually viewed(!) and Spacey is absolutely amazing in it
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I have not only heard of it, watched the film several times I've also read all the books ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Good.
Hopefully he hadn’t lost his career over this. "
Very few ..if any ..film companies will take him on in roles as that stigma will always be there ..they won't take that chance ...that's my tuppence worth anyway. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that. "
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point.. |
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over a year ago
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And to be clear I’m not saying Spacey is or isn’t guilty or innocent. I’m saying that the way these issues turn into people bashing people for coming forward and people for saying that not guilty is not always the same as innocent is unhelpful.
Unfortunately the likelihood of accusations of sexual violence getting to trial and then getting a guilty verdict is really low. That presents a lot of issues and our language impacts victims and the likelihood of people coming forward. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that.
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point.."
The flaws of our justice system particularly when it comes to victims of sexual violence mean that it’s too difficult to declare people as innocent. People are falsely accused of these crimes and it’s understood to be a figure way less than those that are victims and don’t get any justice via the justice system. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that.
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point..
The flaws of our justice system particularly when it comes to victims of sexual violence mean that it’s too difficult to declare people as innocent. People are falsely accused of these crimes and it’s understood to be a figure way less than those that are victims and don’t get any justice via the justice system. "
You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
You say it's understood that people falsely accused is a figure way less than those that are victims. How is this proved? |
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"I was ecstatic to hear the news.
I'm also questioning why this thread hasn't attracted more responses.
I'm sure if he'd been accused all the oooooer and aaaarrrrers and hang him highers would have got this to 175 in half an hour"
Predictable where the thread has ended up and is why I didn't respond. Knew it would descend into just because someone has been found not guilty they will still have suspicion, accusations and assumptions thrown at them. |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that.
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point..
The flaws of our justice system particularly when it comes to victims of sexual violence mean that it’s too difficult to declare people as innocent. People are falsely accused of these crimes and it’s understood to be a figure way less than those that are victims and don’t get any justice via the justice system.
You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that.
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point..
The flaws of our justice system particularly when it comes to victims of sexual violence mean that it’s too difficult to declare people as innocent. People are falsely accused of these crimes and it’s understood to be a figure way less than those that are victims and don’t get any justice via the justice system.
You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
You are joking, right? "
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that.
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point..
The flaws of our justice system particularly when it comes to victims of sexual violence mean that it’s too difficult to declare people as innocent. People are falsely accused of these crimes and it’s understood to be a figure way less than those that are victims and don’t get any justice via the justice system.
You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
You are joking, right?
I'm not, I'd like to know what flaws you see."
I’m not falling for this one.  |
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"You'll be told not guilty isn't the same as innocent, blah, blah.
Another career wrecked
Lmfao.
Come on not guilty is NOT the same as innocent. Especially relating to r**e and SA cases. That idea is exactly why people don’t come forward because if their cases actually manage to get to trial, it ends up in a Not guilty people think they’ve lied and suggest this person is now a victim. These cases are far more complex and comments like this are not it.
You are right, it's not the same as innocent. It is however, NOT GUILTY.
I'd be much more comfortable if we didnt ruin people before they've had the chance to go through a trial and be found either guilty or not guilty.
As long as we’re clear that it is not always the same as innocent.
So let’s not do that.
In the eyes of the law he is a free man, of course he'll be looked at by some who for reasons known only to themselves will not believe the decisions..
The bar is set as high as it is for good reasons, he didn't go over it hence like it or not he is an innocent man..
So those that come forward and don’t get justice- are they lying? Like what of their experiences? Is it as simple as, because the law says you are found not guilty that you are innocent and that what the victim says happened didn’t?
I’m not pretending to have the answers or solutions here. I’m acknowledging that these are complex issues and our language should reflect that.
I'm not saying anyone is lying or that people shouldn't get justice, of course with the latter they absolutely should and no one is saying the justice system we have is perfect..
Sadly cases like guy yesterday who did 17 years because he refused to accept he was guilty of the crime he was charged and convicted for speak volumes about incompetence and negligence within..
Agree with that last point to a point..
The flaws of our justice system particularly when it comes to victims of sexual violence mean that it’s too difficult to declare people as innocent. People are falsely accused of these crimes and it’s understood to be a figure way less than those that are victims and don’t get any justice via the justice system.
You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
You are joking, right?
I'm not, I'd like to know what flaws you see.
I’m not falling for this one. "
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"You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
You are joking, right?
I'm not, I'd like to know what flaws you see.
I’m not falling for this one.
Of course you're not. You're far to clever to try to back up your claims "
I’m not clever but getting into a discussion with YOU about whether it not the Justice system is flawed wouldn’t prove that I was or wasn’t. In fact getting in discussion with anyone on here doesn’t prove cleverness |
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"You keep talking about flaws. Can you point me in the direction of some.
You are joking, right?
I'm not, I'd like to know what flaws you see.
I’m not falling for this one.
Of course you're not. You're far to clever to try to back up your claims
I’m not clever but getting into a discussion with YOU about whether it not the Justice system is flawed wouldn’t prove that I was or wasn’t. In fact getting in discussion with anyone on here doesn’t prove cleverness "
Alright mate, calm down.
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"I believe him ... but was told years ago he used to go cruisng around Soho at night riding his electric scooter !"
Is everyone on this site not doing the same thing?
Might not be on a scooter! but there's not much difference in the actual intention..
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"There’s still red flags with this guy. Has he done anything illegal I’m not sure. He’s a creep though
In what way? "
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"I believe him ... but was told years ago he used to go cruisng around Soho at night riding his electric scooter !
Is everyone on this site not doing the same thing?
Might not be on a scooter! but there's not much difference in the actual intention..
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There are significant barriers to SA cases finding guilty verdicts and just because Spacey was found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent.
The domestic abuse campaigner David Challen wrote a brilliant Twitter thread summarising all the ways the justice system isn't setup to tackle these kinds of cases. |
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