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al hal meat and pork

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers.

Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me.

In my town a butchers shop owner was hounded abd threatened by folk who were pro al hal. The butchers is close to a mosque. Eventually the owners had enough and closed. Now lo and vehokd its reopened as an al hal butchers.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

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By *evilwolfCouple over a year ago

Leicestershire

The thought there was any meat in them at all was an outrage to be honest

;)

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pretty sure you mean halal....said the pedant.

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By *ady4ladyWoman over a year ago

liverpool

Are we talking halal or shallow hal. confused.com

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By *ot - CoupleCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Its Halal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But then a vegetarian could argue that killing any animal for food is wrong. And so it continues........

I'm not a vegetarian btw

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

A dead animal is a dead animal. Some people believe halal meat is actually more humane as the animal doesn't know whats about to happen and so the meat isn't flooded with fear hormones.

You say you don't have a problem with religion yet criticise the way one religion decides to prepare its food. Hmmm.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whereas non-halal meat is farmed and slaughtered in a beautiful, almost dreamlike manner

The food processing industry has been poorly regulated for far too long.

Mutinies have started over less.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

A dead animal is a dead animal. Some people believe halal meat is actually more humane as the animal doesn't know whats about to happen and so the meat isn't flooded with fear hormones.

You say you don't have a problem with religion yet criticise the way one religion decides to prepare its food. Hmmm....."

Its the way its prepared not the religion if it was catholics my view is the same.

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

anyone who thinks they know 'exactly' how their food got to their plate is slightly disoluioned .. be it meat .. genetically modified fruit and veg or what ever. The only way to know is to grow and crop it yourself

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By *evilwolfCouple over a year ago

Leicestershire

"I'm not a vegetarian btw

Think there might be a few on here - not all of 'em swallow you know

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you get halal jelly?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

i believe (as someone else posted on here) that providing they were not aware that they have eaten the meat then they have not broken any religious laws.

However, i do think it is disgusting that a company has deliberately sold meat under misleading labelling.

Should there be more of an uproar....no.

will there be, i doubt it as this story broke days ago and its had less air time time tha the horse meat.

People should be allowed to choose the type of meat they want. your OP is unclear about the way they kill them. you say that the fact they stu them first doesnt matter but that is the way all animals are killed in abatoirs (i saw it on kill it cook it eat it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"anyone who thinks they know 'exactly' how their food got to their plate is slightly disoluioned .. be it meat .. genetically modified fruit and veg or what ever. The only way to know is to grow and crop it yourself "

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not a vegetarian btw

Think there might be a few on here - not all of 'em swallow you know

Wolf

Well if they're not eating their meat then its a surefire way to get a protein fix, they need reeducating

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact."

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

"On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine..."

as an ex veggie .. and i dont eat alot of meat .. this is how i see the way forward. The meat market will always exist but there are alot of humane ways of dealing with it and alot of local small holdings deal with it in a manner in which I can deal with

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

A dead animal is a dead animal. Some people believe halal meat is actually more humane as the animal doesn't know whats about to happen and so the meat isn't flooded with fear hormones.

You say you don't have a problem with religion yet criticise the way one religion decides to prepare its food. Hmmm.....

Its the way its prepared not the religion if it was catholics my view is the same."

So the reason why you didn't include kosher meat in your complaint is because?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers.

Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

is the method of slaughter for halal not fully passed by the relevant authorities..?

have you a link to anything to substantiate the 'hounded out claim'..?

why not just say Muslims if thats whom you are talking about..?

Not sure what you mean about halal being forced by stealth..?

on who and again what have you got to back this up?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under."

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

And many chickens are not dead in slaughter houses when dunked in boiling water to loosen feathers. They are hung by the feet on a conveyor and sent down the line to an automated decapitator but often are flapping around so much the machine does not kill them. The next stage on the line is to loosen the feathers in the aforementioned way.

Many people who object to how halal or kosher meat is killed need to have a look at how 'our' meat is obtained. Go to an abbatoir and see. Not a pretty sight.

And no - I'm not a vegetarian.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine...

It also helps the local economy and in the case of shooting it myself, keeps me fit (try carrying a deer carcass a few miles along with a rifle and camping gear!)...lol

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By *evilwolfCouple over a year ago

Leicestershire

what are you thoughts on kosher meat?"

I quite like those Yom Kippers - the ones in Tescos with the star of butter on them.

Wolf

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've never seen Halal or Kosher pork.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??"

How do we not get to choose? I think you will find that, in reality, we have more choice, not less.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??

How do we not get to choose? I think you will find that, in reality, we have more choice, not less."

it read as if the person i was quoting was saying that we should all eat halal meat because it wouldt turn us muslim lol

i dont give a flying whatsit, meant is meat in my eyes but some will have strong views against halal meat and the way it is slaughtered. why should they be made to eat halal meat?

meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??

How do we not get to choose? I think you will find that, in reality, we have more choice, not less.

it read as if the person i was quoting was saying that we should all eat halal meat because it wouldt turn us muslim lol

i dont give a flying whatsit, meant is meat in my eyes but some will have strong views against halal meat and the way it is slaughtered. why should they be made to eat halal meat?

meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision."

No one is made to eat any meat. Eating meat is a choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??

How do we not get to choose? I think you will find that, in reality, we have more choice, not less.

it read as if the person i was quoting was saying that we should all eat halal meat because it wouldt turn us muslim lol

i dont give a flying whatsit, meant is meat in my eyes but some will have strong views against halal meat and the way it is slaughtered. why should they be made to eat halal meat?

meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision."

It has to be labelled. KFC is halal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

I was unaware of similar method used by jewish people. My son in law is muslim and grandkids being brought up as muslims although at cathokic schools so in time can as is their right to follow whatever religion if any they choose. How my post is anti islam I do not know but certainly not apologising for it.

The view I hold is simply that animals should be killed as painlessly as possible. Cutting throats and allowing to bleed to death is not something I agree with.

I am not an animal right activist etc as in pecking order humans first animaks second.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??

How do we not get to choose? I think you will find that, in reality, we have more choice, not less.

it read as if the person i was quoting was saying that we should all eat halal meat because it wouldt turn us muslim lol

i dont give a flying whatsit, meant is meat in my eyes but some will have strong views against halal meat and the way it is slaughtered. why should they be made to eat halal meat?

meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision.

No one is made to eat any meat. Eating meat is a choice."

quite right, never said anyone should be MADE to eat meat, just twisting my words there.

if someone CHOOSES to eat meat they should be able to CHOOSE halal or non-halal, kosher or non-kosher meat etc.

why is this such a hard concept to understand

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

The view I hold is simply that animals should be killed as painlessly as possible. Cutting throats and allowing to bleed to death is not something I agree with.

I am not an animal right activist etc as in pecking order humans first animaks second."

how do you think non-halal meat is killed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

The view I hold is simply that animals should be killed as painlessly as possible. Cutting throats and allowing to bleed to death is not something I agree with.

I am not an animal right activist etc as in pecking order humans first animaks second."

Kosher and halal are very very close. Kosher meat is prepared in the same way, the blood is drained from the animal. Whether or not it is wrong isn't the question in this situation, its the fact that people who are Muslim were given Haram food. Personally I think that is disgusting.

My apologies if you felt I was saying your post way Anti Islamic, my comment was a generic one rather than one aimed at you OP.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

The view I hold is simply that animals should be killed as painlessly as possible. Cutting throats and allowing to bleed to death is not something I agree with.

I am not an animal right activist etc as in pecking order humans first animaks second.

how do you think non-halal meat is killed?"

Is this trick question the animals throat is cut and it bleeds out simples.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it read as if the person i was quoting was saying that we should all eat halal meat because it wouldt turn us muslim lol"

Nope, I was saying that it doesn't matter ehat meat you eat. I've helped slaughter rabbit and goat at a family friends in Spain and it tasted wonderful. Beyond some bloke saying a prayer over peter rabbit while I broke his neck what difference does it make?

"i dont give a flying whatsit, meant is meat in my eyes but some will have strong views against halal meat and the way it is slaughtered. why should they be made to eat halal meat?

meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision."

It is and had been for years.

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By *exySwing3rsCouple over a year ago

In Your Hearts

I thought that Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or am I mistaken.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It has to be labelled. KFC is halal. "

So is Nandos.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be labelled. KFC is halal.

So is Nandos."

Yes my best friend and I eat there for our girly lunches as she's Muslim.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

This doesn't say what I think you mean it to say. Also what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me

So f*cking what. It's not going to turn you muslim if you eat halal meat, and what the heck do you think the meat in your local curry house is?

You give the example of a butchers being forced out of business because it wasn't halal when it wad closest to a mosque. That's capitalism, if you don't adapt to meet the market then you go under.

so they get to choose and we dont?? how is that fair??

How do we not get to choose? I think you will find that, in reality, we have more choice, not less.

it read as if the person i was quoting was saying that we should all eat halal meat because it wouldt turn us muslim lol

i dont give a flying whatsit, meant is meat in my eyes but some will have strong views against halal meat and the way it is slaughtered. why should they be made to eat halal meat?

meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision.

No one is made to eat any meat. Eating meat is a choice."

I'm a fucking vampire...how do u think I feel?...anyone on their period btw?

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By *Ryan-Man over a year ago

In Your Bush

what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

I quite like those Yom Kippers - the ones in Tescos with the star of butter on them.

Wolf

Me too. They are yommy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we each had to slaughter our own animals in order to eat meat, the majority of us would be vegitarian im sure. I eat very little meat as it is and i always hope (but cant be sure) that all the animals are treated correctly .

If there was no meat available from tomorrow onwards, it wouldnt bother me one bit.halal or otherwise

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It has to be labelled. KFC is halal.

So is Nandos.

Yes my best friend and I eat there for our girly lunches as she's Muslim. "

It's been a while but I seem to remember that Muslims can eat Kosher but Jews can't eat Halal.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

what are you thoughts on kosher meat?

I quite like those Yom Kippers - the ones in Tescos with the star of butter on them.

Wolf

Me too. They are yommy"

You need to atone for that truly awful joke.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

can we reset this thread cos i am royally confused now lol

so...OP, you state that it is the method by wich the animal is slaughtered under Muslim law that you dont agree with. that method is to use a very sharp knife to slit the animals throat causing a massive drop in blood pressure and rendering the animals brain incapable of registering pain (according to wiki

)

yet when questioned on how you think non-halal meat is slaughtered (which presumably you do approve of since you havent indicated you are a vegetarian or vegan) you say is has its throat cut and bleeds to death.

are they not the same method??

in non-Muslim abatoirs animals are stunned electronically prior to having their throats cut but in your ~OP you say that that is irrelevant.

confusion reigns in Evesham

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine..."

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

and deep breaths !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be labelled. KFC is halal.

So is Nandos.

Yes my best friend and I eat there for our girly lunches as she's Muslim.

It's been a while but I seem to remember that Muslims can eat Kosher but Jews can't eat Halal."

I don't practice. I don't eat Kosher. I'm a good Jewish princess who likes bacon and uncut cock!

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It has to be labelled. KFC is halal.

So is Nandos.

Yes my best friend and I eat there for our girly lunches as she's Muslim.

It's been a while but I seem to remember that Muslims can eat Kosher but Jews can't eat Halal.

I don't practice. I don't eat Kosher. I'm a good Jewish princess who likes bacon and uncut cock! "

I've met quite a few like you. I've also met a lot of the Charedi community and they want you back.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be labelled. KFC is halal.

So is Nandos.

Yes my best friend and I eat there for our girly lunches as she's Muslim.

It's been a while but I seem to remember that Muslims can eat Kosher but Jews can't eat Halal.

I don't practice. I don't eat Kosher. I'm a good Jewish princess who likes bacon and uncut cock!

I've met quite a few like you. I've also met a lot of the Charedi community and they want you back."

I'm not going back lol. I'd miss bacon butties too much!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be honest most schools and resturants will serve halal as the muslim population is growing and a safe way of not offending or turning away customers.

To be honest we dont care how the meat is killed it all taste the same.

Just would be nice to get informed on things and have options to what you would or would not eat,

and it not forced upon you and your kids.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the only way to be killed 'humanely' would be being put to sleep..even then we have so little understandings of how brains actually work to even to even understand what pain is to one person or an animal.

if I can come back from the dead sometime and tell everyone what I felt, then perhaps itd help

almost everything must have a concept of self, or it wouldnt try to survive or feel fear

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By *nfieldishCouple over a year ago

Enfield

I, David, killed a mushroom.....I heard it cry.....

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By *am123Man over a year ago

essex chelmsford

i was slaughtering turkeys at xmas, and they were stunned, then a scalpel pushed in there mouth to cut there throat. i can tell u that sometimes, if they wernt stunned long enough, they come around and are looking around blinking and still very much alive, with there throat cut.

so to not stunn thease animals at all is not a very nice way to go, wheather it be pigs, cows, turkeys etc.

id say the more intellegent animals such as pigs etc know exactly whats happening around them, and to not be stunned and bled out when your essentially still alive for several minutes with your throat cut is an awful way to die

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

How does a good muslim end up in prison in the first place?

My take on it that as a society we incarcerate those who transgress the laws we make to ensure we all live safely within our communities. We recognise that even prisoners need to be fed but to my mind the prison service should be charged with providing a basic menu that all prisoners eat. If they have a problem with that don't break the bloody law and you can choose what you want to eat and where you want to eat it.

Additionally, the Muslim Council of Britain advises the govt on who is a trusted producer of Halal meat, and it recommends that only these suppliers should be used. What are the odds that all of them will be Asian businesses?

Bottom line: do the crime do the time, I've no sympathy for anyone in prison, nor what they're given to eat. I'd feed them gruel.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I, David, killed a mushroom.....I heard it cry....."

my pet mushroom Goliath!!!!..knew someone nabbed him!

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By *am123Man over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

How does a good muslim end up in prison in the first place?

Bottom line: do the crime do the time, I've no sympathy for anyone in prison, nor what they're given to eat. I'd feed them gruel."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

How does a good muslim end up in prison in the first place?

Bottom line: do the crime do the time, I've no sympathy for anyone in prison, nor what they're given to eat. I'd feed them gruel."

The same way a good Christian, Jew, Pagan, Hindu and Sikh does. They break the law. Being born into a religion does not make you a good/bad person.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

How does a good muslim end up in prison in the first place?

Bottom line: do the crime do the time, I've no sympathy for anyone in prison, nor what they're given to eat. I'd feed them gruel.

The same way a good Christian, Jew, Pagan, Hindu and Sikh does. They break the law. Being born into a religion does not make you a good/bad person. "

You're quite right, but being a prisoner makes you an asshole, and assholes don't earn my respect, regardless of what religion to profess to follow. Most of the time it's all done for show anyway and these cons know that they make themselves a real nuisance by 'protesting' at anything their religion says they can.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

It has to be labelled. KFC is halal. "

actually... not quite true...

there are some KFC outlets that are halal... but it varies from franchise to franchise and you have to check...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can you get halal jelly?"

You can indeed because it's set with pectin or the sea based stuff, the name of which escapes me!

Although I'm a veggie and will never eat meat again myself, I don't have a problem with others eating meat (providing you don't kiss me straight after!)

What I do have a problem with, though, is the way animals are reared, slaughtered, and sometimes the shocking 'end product' (chicken pumped full of water etc)

I think if you're going to take something's life, at least give it the best life and send off you can first. It's the least it deserves IMO

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I don't agree or disagree with any religions way of slaughtering as I haven't read into it enough to make an informed decision, but I will always side with what's best for the animal as they have no choice in being killed but we have a choice in eating them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine...

It also helps the local economy and in the case of shooting it myself, keeps me fit (try carrying a deer carcass a few miles along with a rifle and camping gear!)...lol"

Gissa bit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Am i missing something? When did prisoners get a fecking menu? Let alone a choice of meat. Do they get to tell the chef how they would like their steaks done?

Blimey my tax is being well spent!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"can we reset this thread cos i am royally confused now lol

)

are they not the same method??

in non-Muslim abatoirs animals are stunned electronically prior to having their throats cut but in your ~OP you say that that is irrelevant.

confusion reigns in Evesham

Can only ditto that - signed konfuzed o Kent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I aggree with op on this. As i work with animals i understand where the op is coming from. We need more people like you x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They're just animals. Whilst I don't condone mistreating animals (bear fighting, badger baiting, clubbing baby seals to death etc) I see nothing wrong with the way animals are slaughtered for food. It's the way of the world and if we weren't meant to eat animals why did nature make them out of food?

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Bacon sarnie anyone?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm against nature.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm against nature."

Then you are an anomaly. Were you in The Matrix?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I'm against nature.

Then you are an anomaly. Were you in The Matrix?

Nope, I'm a Leo and have been veggie since I was 15. I've never had a MacDonalds burger or KFC ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agree with wishy

Muslims can't start preaching their rules when they hav clearly broken them to end up in prison.

As for the religiously killed meat.I am 100% against it.

Meat for normal people who don bow to sky fairies is stunned either electronically or with a bolt depending on species.then the blood is drained.

Animals should be treated with at least a little compassion and not just have their throats slit.

If I started cutting cattles throats I would be in court before the blood covering me was dry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers.

Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

Are you a vegetarian?

And if not how much of the meat you eat is killed humanly?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think that Muslim and all other prisoners should be given bread and water major saving to the tax payer

Can't upset any religion with bread as far as I know

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By *aulatv_ukTV/TS over a year ago

Rhyl

Has anyone seen the film/documentary "Food Inc" it's gives you an excellent insight to how our food is provided not just meat but other food stuffs, you will be amazed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They're just animals. Whilst I don't condone mistreating animals (bear fighting, badger baiting, clubbing baby seals to death etc) I see nothing wrong with the way animals are slaughtered for food. It's the way of the world and if we weren't meant to eat animals why did nature make them out of food?

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Bacon sarnie anyone?"
its people like you thats the problem!!!! So you dont see anything wrong with cruelty to animals then??? As long as your big belly is full? Says alot about the person you are then. Selfish and greedy. As long as your ok who effin cares aye?

Your unbelievable!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Bacon sarnie anyone? its people like you thats the problem!!!! So you dont see anything wrong with cruelty to animals then??? As long as your big belly is full? Says alot about the person you are then. Selfish and greedy. As long as your ok who effin cares aye?

Your unbelievable!

Where is the link you are making between culling and slaughtering and cruelty ?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Your unbelievable!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine...

It also helps the local economy and in the case of shooting it myself, keeps me fit (try carrying a deer carcass a few miles along with a rifle and camping gear!)...lol

Gissa bit?

I'm making a venison Wellington later. It'll be on the table around 6:30. Bring a bottle...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Your unbelievable!

Pretty sure he said he was against mistreatment of animals early in the post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Your unbelievable!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's about time we as a society stopped being so anti Islamic. Halal food is killed in a very similar way to Kosher food. I am Jewish though I don't practice and I work in the Muslim community.

There is no nice way to kill an animal. It is utterly deplorable that prisoners who are Muslim were given Haram (non Halal) food as it would be if Jewish prisoners were given Treif (non Kosher) food.

How does a good muslim end up in prison in the first place?

Bottom line: do the crime do the time, I've no sympathy for anyone in prison, nor what they're given to eat. I'd feed them gruel."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

nature didnt make us anything.

we are certainly not the rulers of the planet

we are just sharing it at this time,humans will like every other life form become extinct and the live here will carry on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

nature didnt make us anything.

we are certainly not the rulers of the planet

we are just sharing it at this time,humans will like every other life form become extinct and the live here will carry on"

Man is the only animal to have transcended it's natural barriers and make something out of nothing. We most certainly do rule our planet and we're top of the food chain. Sure, caught in the jungle by a hungry lion and we're not physically the strongest but man will leave this planet long before we're threatened with extinction. No other animal on this Earth will ever do that, without our assistance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Humans are carnivores, look at your own teeth to see why we're designed to eat meat. Vegetarianism goes against nature.

Your unbelievable!

I've got lots more to worry about than how some bloody sheep meets it's end. Nature didn't make us rulers of the planet for nothing.. A believer in the natural world would know that. Some people need to get a life."
showing your true colours today. My life is fantastic thankyou! The job i do is a blessing to me and the animals i save from cruelty! If it was a pet of yours you may change your mind,... But then again would you care?

Some people are that far up their own a@@ they dont care about anything else.

Karma bites

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites "

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

I'm glad you save animals from cruelty. I wouldn't stand by and watch someone hurt a dog or a cat either, but I'm no pie-in-the-sky dreamer who believe animals have a soul. I don't believe humans have souls either. It's just lights out as far as I'm concerned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shoot about 50% of my own meat and buy the rest from a local farmer, so I'm very sure I know what's in mine...

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Ok if you can't be civil while you debate then please don't post at all.

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Natural food chain- I eat meat, i love meat...nothing will change that...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

fuck them should not have done a crime lucky they get meat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals. "

Our abattoirs stun the animals before killing them. It is the most humane way of doing so. Halal meat is prepared in the same way. If fact, the Koran insists that the animals feel no pain when they are killed.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be."
your missing what im saying i think. And without disrespecting religion have you read the koran?

We will have to agree to disagree on this one...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Taken from KFC's own website.

Is KFC's halal chicken stunned before slaughter?

Yes, due to our strict animal welfare standards, we insist that all our poultry is stunned before slaughter. Our halal chicken has been accredited by the Halal Food Authority, one of the most widely recognised bodies in the UK and overseas. It allows the use of a technique called 'stun-to-stun' - a pain free process that makes the animal insensible to pain and suffering. A verse is also recited from the Qu'ran at the point of slaughter by an appropriate person and the poultry will not come into contact with non-halal meat at any point in the supply chain.

The HFA accreditation which is clearly signposted in the participating restaurants allows us to offer halal accredited meat whilst remaining committed to the same animal welfare standards as before, which meet or exceed all relevant UK and EU legislation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you eat meat why would you care how its killed? if you cared about the welfare of animals you wouldnt eat them, seems a little hypocritical to me to chomp on a chop while monaing about how some people have killed it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you eat meat why would you care how its killed? if you cared about the welfare of animals you wouldnt eat them, seems a little hypocritical to me to chomp on a chop while monaing about how some people have killed it

Couldn't agree more! If it tastes good when it gets to my plate, I don't give a crap how it's killed - that's someone else's problem.

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be."

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut."

and stunning an animal does not always work, there are hundreds of cows killed in Uk slaughter houses that are fully conscious because they have already been thro the ordeal of having a bolt fired thro its head thats failed to kill or knock it out but has been killed regardless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

they do know,they are just too ignorant to care.

ask ken biggly if he would have prefered a bullet or the way he got killed and im sure he would say bullet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they do know,they are just too ignorant to care.

ask ken biggly if he would have prefered a bullet or the way he got killed and im sure he would say bullet"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

the bolts aim is not to kill,its to stun.

we treat the animals pretty badly so stunning them before they are killed is not a lot to ask.

anyone who has ever heard pigs at a slaughter house will know they understand.

its not a nice sound

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

Once a cow has been shot a flexable metal rod is then inserted in the hole and rammed down the spinal columb to kill all the nerves, the bolt is not meant to stun them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

A dead animal is a dead animal. Some people believe halal meat is actually more humane as the animal doesn't know whats about to happen and so the meat isn't flooded with fear hormones.

You say you don't have a problem with religion yet criticise the way one religion decides to prepare its food. Hmmm....."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

the bolts aim is not to kill,its to stun.

we treat the animals pretty badly so stunning them before they are killed is not a lot to ask.

anyone who has ever heard pigs at a slaughter house will know they understand.

its not a nice sound"

i grew up on a farm and have seen first hand the way animals are treat i havnt touched meat since i was 14 years old, anyone who thinks animals are treat well in this country needs to spend a day in the life of a animal from farm to slaughter house and they would know different

I have no problem with people who dont care about animals, what annoys me are those who are happy to eat mean but moan about how they are treat before they are killed, if your happy for someone to kill a animal for you to eat why would you care how its killed? why would you care about the welfair about somthing your oneday going to shit down the loo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Get your wellies on Barbara

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

the bolts aim is not to kill,its to stun.

we treat the animals pretty badly so stunning them before they are killed is not a lot to ask.

anyone who has ever heard pigs at a slaughter house will know they understand.

its not a nice sound"

No, we used to have one at the bottom of our street when I was a kid. Fucking heartbreakingly dreadful sound to hear every afternoon on your way back from junior school

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

stun it, cut its throat. after saying a prayer.

stun it,shoot a bolt in its head.

Is there a whole heap of difference? Result One dead but tasty animal

If you are that bothered about how animals are slaughtered don't eat them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut."

Not according to the FSA. Their report says the vast majority are.Cattle 84%. sheep 81% and chickens 88%.

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

Not according to the FSA. Their report says the vast majority are.Cattle 84%. sheep 81% and chickens 88%."

Are what?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

Not according to the FSA. Their report says the vast majority are.Cattle 84%. sheep 81% and chickens 88%.

Are what?"

stunned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I (Silk) have seen with my own eyes as a 10 year old, seen a chicken get it's head decapitated, running around headless, blood spluttering everywhere.

Did it stop me from eating it later on? Hell No!

Knowing how animals are slaughtered will not stop anyone reading this thread from getting their meat fix.

Speaking to people who have been to prison, studying and visiting prisons as part of my degree/charity work, am I bothered about Muslims eating Halal Meat? Not really.

People should be bothered they get Playstations, hot showers, a gym, educational courses, mobile phones, Internet access, drugs etc...

I mean, us law abiding folk have to pay for those luxuries (am I joking by the way)

Human rights law will probably dictate that they are entitled to eat what their religion allows anyway

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut."

Thank you for pointing that out. I read a report that stated animals were stunned before slaughter according to Islamic methods, but, after doing some more research, that report was wrong.

Furthermore, a European Commission study of all data relating to many methods of slaughter concluded overwhelmingly that ritual slaughter via swift cutting of the throat and then letting the animal 'bleed out' was, when done properly, the LEAST painful way of killing animals. Some groups, namely the RSPCA in the UK, refuted those findings and stated that animal welfare, although generally good in Halal slaughterhouses, still left room for doubt as to whether the animal felt pain. Fear in the animals was not mentioned.

Non-Islamic methods of slaughter was considered to be a hit and miss affair where some animals died instantly from a bolt shot into it, but other animals did not die and suffered as they were killed anyway. This was more to do with bad practice on the part of slaughterhouse operatives than any resilience of the animal being slaughtered.

As a non religious person in any way whatsoever I have no problem eating meat killed following Halal methods and if that process is better for the animal I don't see why non-Islamic slaughterhouses can't adopt the same method, but without turning the beast's head to align with Qiblah (Mecca) if they feel they don't want the religious connection with the meat they produce.

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

Not according to the FSA. Their report says the vast majority are.Cattle 84%. sheep 81% and chickens 88%.

Are what?

stunned"

But in that sense then it isn't halal or kosher, their religious law states that it is killed with one cut from a sharp knife, never stunned first.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact

If your concern is genuinely animal welfare I think you should fully familiarise yourself with conventional slaughter methods before becoming to mealy mouthed about the halal ones.

I'm a meat eater, and the most rewarding meal I ever had was prepared by some Spanish peasant farmers (Catholics incidentally) who took a young calf and very professionally slit its throat and bled it. It was a noble end for the animal, the locals fully appreciated the sacrifice it had made and didn't waste any of the meat it provided. Contrast that to all commercially processed food (halal and conventional) where we're totally disconnected from the creature that provided our Sunday roast.

Halal slaughter is not a pretty sight but nor is the captive bolt method of pre-stunning in conventional slaughter methods which involves a bolt being fired into the skull of the prone beast. Most halal meat is pre-stunned btw

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

Thank you for pointing that out. I read a report that stated animals were stunned before slaughter according to Islamic methods, but, after doing some more research, that report was wrong.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"But in that sense then it isn't halal or kosher, their religious law states that it is killed with one cut from a sharp knife, never stunned first."

It depends how militant they are. Some people only eat organic meat, some aren't overly concerned about buying it out of the back of a lorry, I guess the same applies to pre-stunned halal meat, most Muslims accept that if they want easy access to cheap meat (ie supermarkets) that they have to accept it will have been prestunned.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"Karma bites

Only if you subscribe to that kind of baloney. I prefer to have a little more faith in my own ability to shape my own future.

You may not believe in a soul but how about feelungs?

There is a way of causing unnessary suffering and all with a beating heart deserves that, be it humans and animals.

Millions of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike are happy with that, why can't you be.

You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

Thank you for pointing that out. I read a report that stated animals were stunned before slaughter according to Islamic methods, but, after doing some more research, that report was wrong.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"they do know,they are just too ignorant to care.

ask ken biggly if he would have prefered a bullet or the way he got killed and im sure he would say bullet"

But commercial livestock isn't killed by a bullet

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact

If your concern is genuinely animal welfare I think you should fully familiarise yourself with conventional slaughter methods before becoming to mealy mouthed about the halal ones.

Dhabiha This is the name for the halal method of slaughter, which requires that animals are killed with a swift incision to the throat from a razor sharp blade. The animal must never see another animal being slaughtered nor must it ever see the blade being sharpened. Animals must be checked prior to slaughter to ensure they are healthy and given clean water to drink, once they have d*unk they are turned to face Mecca, the name of Allah is spoken and then the throat is cut and the blood drained from the carcass.

When carried out correctly the sudden drop in blood pressure to the brain renders the animal brain dead within seconds and many researchers have found Dhabiha to be less stressful and painful to the animal than modern western methods of slaughter. The intention behind all of this is to ensure that the meat is fresh and free of impurities, the animal is given proper respect and Allah is thanked for providing us with food.

Doesn't mention stunning the animal first.

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"they do know,they are just too ignorant to care.

ask ken biggly if he would have prefered a bullet or the way he got killed and im sure he would say bullet

But commercial livestock isn't killed by a bullet "

The captive bolt that is used is 5 inches long and effectively acts in a similar way as a bullet to the brain/head.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut."

You do know that the vast majority is don't you? That's how they sell it into supermarkets and chain butchers!

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"The captive bolt that is used is 5 inches long and effectively acts in a similar way as a bullet to the brain/head."

Thanks, yes I did know that, but the poster I was responding to was comparing a bullet to an animal being 'beheaded', I guess the more relevant point would be to compare stunning methods..so to ask the question again "would Ken Biggley have preferred to be stunned by a captive bolt or a current of electricity?" I'd call that Hobson's choice. As you know all livestock has it's throat slit, is hung and bled, post stunning.

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

You do know that the vast majority is don't you? That's how they sell it into supermarkets and chain butchers!"

It can't be halal or kosher then can it, read previous posts.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact

If your concern is genuinely animal welfare I think you should fully familiarise yourself with conventional slaughter methods before becoming to mealy mouthed about the halal ones.

Doesn't mention stunning the animal first."

Indeed but I've no interest in religious text or any other nonsense.

The fact remains that 90% of halal meat in this country is pre-stunned. Whether Muslims choose to eat it or not is a matter for them and I suspect they do or there'd exist no market for it.

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"The captive bolt that is used is 5 inches long and effectively acts in a similar way as a bullet to the brain/head.

But what I was saying is you get something 5 inches long through your skull it does the same as firing a bullet through the skull, I personally would choose the cptive bolt than electrocution.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"It can't be halal or kosher then can it, read previous posts.

Point taken

I tend to read these threads from the bottom up..it's a pain in the arse!

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"But what I was saying is you get something 5 inches long through your skull it does the same as firing a bullet through the skull, I personally would choose the cptive bolt than electrocution."

I hear what you say and youve made some good points, but there's a vast difference between a bullet and beheading, whereas there's less between the bolt and electricity. Your preference is entirely your own, personally I don't know which I'd choose..but it is interesting to note our American savage cousins still employ electrocution as a means of exercising the death penalty

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"It can't be halal or kosher then can it, read previous posts.

Point taken

I tend to read these threads from the bottom up..it's a pain in the arse!

HAHA not a problem

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"But what I was saying is you get something 5 inches long through your skull it does the same as firing a bullet through the skull, I personally would choose the cptive bolt than electrocution.

I think what the original poster was trying to say about Ken Bigley was that Mr Bigley given the choice would rather have been shot first before he was decapitated.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"I aggree with op on this. As i work with animals i understand where the op is coming from. We need more people like you x "

Can I ask if you're a meat eater?

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"I think what the original poster was trying to say about Ken Bigley was that Mr Bigley given the choice would rather have been shot first before he was decapitated."

LOL, yes I got that bit (finally)! My point though is that it's not a fair comparison the more relevant one is he might have preferred being stunned by electricity first.

{To be honest, on reflection this is a pretty unseemly discussion about a poor man who died under such awful circumstances}

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"I think what the original poster was trying to say about Ken Bigley was that Mr Bigley given the choice would rather have been shot first before he was decapitated.

LOL, yes I got that bit (finally)! My point though is that it's not a fair comparison the more relevant one is he might have preferred being stunned by electricity first.

{To be honest, on reflection this is a pretty unseemly discussion about a poor man who died under such awful circumstances}"

Sorry! Yes I totally agree with your last remark.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact

If your concern is genuinely animal welfare I think you should fully familiarise yourself with conventional slaughter methods before becoming to mealy mouthed about the halal ones.

Doesn't mention stunning the animal first."

does it mention not stunning it?

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"{To be honest, on reflection this is a pretty unseemly discussion about a poor man who died under such awful circumstances}

Sorry! Yes I totally agree with your last remark."

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

Doesn't mention stunning the animal first.

does it mention not stunning it?"

That's a good point, based on my limited knowledge, I think the guidance they use is that after stunning the animal has to be capable of 'returning to pasture', in other words recovering once the effect of the stunning has worn off. Which I guess is why they use a mild electric current as obviously the captive bolt has more permanent effects!

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact

If your concern is genuinely animal welfare I think you should fully familiarise yourself with conventional slaughter methods before becoming to mealy mouthed about the halal ones.

Doesn't mention stunning the animal first.

does it mention not stunning it?"

Ok alot of peoples first and only experience of a slaughter house is that programme, kill it cook it eat it, this is not a boast but I was head killer in a slaughter house for 10 years of the 15 I worked there, other than domestic pets there's nothing I haven't killed with 4 or 2 legs, I've watched and participated in halal and kosher slaughtering practices and in 15 years NEVER once saw a cow or any other animal get stunned before hand for either of these religious practices. Every other animal slaughtered was either electrocuted or a captive bolt was used before hand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You do know that halal meat is NOT stunned don't you? The animal just has it's throat cut.

You do know that the vast majority is don't you? That's how they sell it into supermarkets and chain butchers!"

So is an animal stunned before slaughter in Islamic culture or not? Someone mentioned pre-stunning earlier.. what is that then, does someone punch it on the nose?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact

If your concern is genuinely animal welfare I think you should fully familiarise yourself with conventional slaughter methods before becoming to mealy mouthed about the halal ones.

Doesn't mention stunning the animal first.

does it mention not stunning it?

Well, there we have it, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"Ok alot of peoples first and only experience of a slaughter house is that programme, kill it cook it eat it, this is not a boast but I was head killer in a slaughter house for 10 years of the 15 I worked there, other than domestic pets there's nothing I haven't killed with 4 or 2 legs, I've watched and participated in halal and kosher slaughtering practices and in 15 years NEVER once saw a cow or any other animal get stunned before hand for either of these religious practices. Every other animal slaughtered was either electrocuted or a captive bolt was used before hand."

You talk in the past tense, when did you last work in a slaughterhouse? Pre-stunning is a relatively new procedure and the RSPCA acknowledge that around 90% of carcasses are pre-stunned.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"So is an animal stunned before slaughter in Islamic culture or not? Someone mentioned pre-stunning earlier.. what is that then, does someone punch it on the nose?"

Most meat is pre-stunned it's illegal for it not to be unless for religious reasons.

Kosher rules forbid any kind of pre-stunning, whereas the halal ones have invented a get around. It involves electrocution, rather than the captive bolt used in conventional slaughter. Theres lots of info on t'internet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is an animal stunned before slaughter in Islamic culture or not? Someone mentioned pre-stunning earlier.. what is that then, does someone punch it on the nose?

Most meat is pre-stunned it's illegal for it not to be unless for religious reasons.

So I was right earlier then. I said Halal meat was stunned before slaughter and was told that it wasn't.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

"So is an animal stunned before slaughter in Islamic culture or not? Someone mentioned pre-stunning earlier.. what is that then, does someone punch it on the nose?

Most meat is pre-stunned it's illegal for it not to be unless for religious reasons.

So I was right earlier then. I said Halal meat was stunned before slaughter and was told that it wasn't.

I looked it up earlier and it said halal slaughter meat wasn't stunned x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course we are forgetting that prisons in Muslim countries are fastidious about serving fish to Catholics on Fridays.

"Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers.

Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

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By *amie0151Man over a year ago

Wallasey

"Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers.

Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

Apparently there's a helpline that prisoners can call but some of them complained that they couldn't hear the operator cos there was loads of 'crackling' on the line

lol

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By *am123Man over a year ago

essex chelmsford

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By *am123Man over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"So is an animal stunned before slaughter in Islamic culture or not? Someone mentioned pre-stunning earlier.. what is that then, does someone punch it on the nose?

Most meat is pre-stunned it's illegal for it not to be unless for religious reasons.

So I was right earlier then. I said Halal meat was stunned before slaughter and was told that it wasn't.

I looked it up earlier and it said halal slaughter meat wasn't stunned x "
Religious meat in general is NOT stunned, just cut and bled out. And as said earlier about the sudden drop in BLOOD presure wen the throat is cut, renders the animal dead ,its not as quick as that. they can be still looking around and are stilll v much alive for a good few minutes before they eventualy die

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By *arl828Man over a year ago

warrington, Cheshire

You talk in the past tense, when did you last work in a slaughterhouse? Pre-stunning is a relatively new procedure and the RSPCA acknowledge that around 90% of carcasses are pre-stunned."

Pre-stunning is not a new procedure, I last worked in a slaughter house 10 years ago, and if we were found not stunning any animal by MLC or Government inspector we would've been shut down on the spot. And the inspector was there all day every day, they didn't just drop in for an un announced inspection. Also have you ever heard of a 'pole axe' these were used before electrocution.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just as matter of interest, people from certain parts of both Sheffield and Rotherham pronounce park as 'pork'.

Not me though , I'm from barnsley, don't even ask how we pronounce either!! lol

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"So is an animal stunned before slaughter in Islamic culture or not? Someone mentioned pre-stunning earlier.. what is that then, does someone punch it on the nose?

Most meat is pre-stunned it's illegal for it not to be unless for religious reasons.

So I was right earlier then. I said Halal meat was stunned before slaughter and was told that it wasn't.

I looked it up earlier and it said halal slaughter meat wasn't stunned x Religious meat in general is NOT stunned, just cut and bled out. And as said earlier about the sudden drop in BLOOD presure wen the throat is cut, renders the animal dead ,its not as quick as that. they can be still looking around and are stilll v much alive for a good few minutes before they eventualy die

"
That does sound horrible. I have several Muslim friends and when I cook for them it has to be either vegetarian or they specify kosher meat - I knew about the process of animals being slaughtered ina particualr way but not in such detail. As an animal lover that actually now presents a bit of a moral dilemma for me.

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"Of course we are forgetting that prisons in Muslim countries are fastidious about serving fish to Catholics on Fridays.

Personally I'd rather be following my own standards, not theirs!

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Of course we are forgetting that prisons in Muslim countries are fastidious about serving fish to Catholics on Fridays.

Personally I'd rather be following my own standards, not theirs! "

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By *lassic1Man over a year ago

bellshill

We are talking religous preference here ...not diet requirements....just get on with it FFS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn't veal killed the same way ?

I have chosen in the past to eat horse over veal (no other choices were available) because I disagreed with the way it was killed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers.

Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact.

On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals.

you mentioned the word Prisoner, they are lucky they are getting Food in my eyes

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

You talk in the past tense, when did you last work in a slaughterhouse? Pre-stunning is a relatively new procedure and the RSPCA acknowledge that around 90% of carcasses are pre-stunned.

Sorry again, what I meant was 'new' to mainstream slaughter. You could probably say better than me, but probably only a small % of halal meat was pre-stunned 10 years ago?

Your point is a good one though, because the poster I was responding to seemed sure that halal meat wasn't pre-stunned at all! That's why I asked when he worked in slaughterhouses

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"Apparently there's a helpline that prisoners can call but some of them complained that they couldn't hear the operator cos there was loads of 'crackling' on the line

lol"

Hahaha, now that's funny!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

In the process of research I've messaged everyone I know that's Jewish or Muslim and so far they've said that they buy meat from butchers that do not stun before slaughter,

One said she only buys meat from shops that are registered with the HMC halal monitoring committee. They are responsible for making sure shops registered with them slaughter by Islamic law and do not pre stun as true halal meet should not be pre stunned x

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"In the process of research I've messaged everyone I know that's Jewish or Muslim and so far they've said that they buy meat from butchers that do not stun before slaughter,

I don't think that's in dispute-most Muslims would prefer to eat non-stunned meat, but the halal meat in the mainstream food chain (ie where we're most likely to encounter it) is pre-stunned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I grew up in the big city but I've been to the countryside. I've seen cows, They're those big fuckers with udders right?

Now call me over cautious but if I was going to tie a cow up by its legs and cut its throat I think I'd prefer to stun it first. That would make me a prudent butcher tho,not a bad Muslim

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By *igblackdomTV/TS over a year ago

West Midlands

"meat should be labelled for all to be able to make an informed decision."

Totally agree, if there are people who don't want to eat halal meat on principle then they shouldn't be denied the choice on whether to eat it or not.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I grew up in the big city but I've been to the countryside. I've seen cows, They're those big fuckers with udders right?

Now call me over cautious but if I was going to tie a cow up by its legs and cut its throat I think I'd prefer to stun it first. That would make me a prudent butcher tho,not a bad Muslim"
That made me spill my coffee!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

"In the process of research I've messaged everyone I know that's Jewish or Muslim and so far they've said that they buy meat from butchers that do not stun before slaughter,

I don't think that's in dispute-most Muslims would prefer to eat non-stunned meat, but the halal meat in the mainstream food chain (ie where we're most likely to encounter it) is pre-stunned."

It's like everything tho I suppose, I know Muslims that drink, Jewish that eat bacon sandwiches. Christians that don't follow the Ten Commandments. Lol.

Although everything I have read agrees that if performed correctly it is a humane way to go.

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By *am123Man over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"In the process of research I've messaged everyone I know that's Jewish or Muslim and so far they've said that they buy meat from butchers that do not stun before slaughter,

I don't think that's in dispute-most Muslims would prefer to eat non-stunned meat, but the halal meat in the mainstream food chain (ie where we're most likely to encounter it) is pre-stunned.

It's like everything tho I suppose, I know Muslims that drink, Jewish that eat bacon sandwiches. Christians that don't follow the Ten Commandments. Lol.

Although everything I have read agrees that if performed correctly it is a humane way to go. "

unless your the one doing it, and looking the animal in the eye as it looks back at u fully aware of its surroundings and bleeding out the throat as it does it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone know any Catholic swings ???

Really fancy a bit of bare back

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By *igSuki81Man over a year ago

Retirement Village

I tried to read through this thread as it sort of interested me in what was first posted by the OP but it's gone in so many directions i got lost and gave up

Having said that (and no disrespect to the rest of you who posted all you views) can i ask where is this thread actually going

OP if i may be bold enough to try commenting on your original post, i'm hopeing my commetns will fit in ith th rest of this. OP you said...

" Am I alone in thinking there will be more of an outcry over the fact some prisoners may have had food with traces of pork dna in it than over the horsemeat in burgers."

I'm going to guess that may be you are. The issue of non-halal meat being served to prisoners and labelled as halal has not (unless i've missed the news over the last few days or we watch different news sources) got the same amount of attention as that of non-halal meat. You then go on to say

" Personally I believe the way animals are slaughtered in this way is disgusting. If the animals are stunned prior to throat being cut does not negate this fact."

If you are digusted by the way animals are killed under different rituals/rights be it halal or kosher or whatever else then fair play don't buy such meat. i think i'm right in saying that all meat is marked as to its origins and whether it has been killed in a certain manor but if it isnt i'm sure you can just ask at the counter where you buy from then avoid that which you believe to be too cruel.

Whatever you do the end result is going to be you cooking and eating it, so i have to ask the manner in which it is killed bothers you but it's a dead animal you're eating doesn't bother you

you then go on to say (& this did make me chuckle)

"On this topic al hal food has gradually been forced onto the meat eating population by stealth bothers me. "

Really!!! Halal meat has been brough in by stealth?? what on a b52, flying low to avoid radar, under the cover of darkness

it hasn't been brought on to the market in stealth at all where did you get that from???? but this has to be the best and most un-controversial point in you post

" In my town a butchers shop owner was hounded abd threatened by folk who were pro al hal. The butchers is close to a mosque. Eventually the owners had enough and closed. Now lo and vehokd its reopened as an al hal butchers.

I have no isues with any religions just with this way of killing the animals. "

I only assume (and i know assumption is the mother of all mistakes) that you knew this apparent butcher personally and he confided in you that he was being hounded by the "al hal squad" and that he had to close up because they were getting to him and he didn't know where to go from all these "al hal" nut jobs

I have to ask, just by reading your initial comment and the final words of you not being against any particular religion, what is the actual point of this thread??

You start off with news coverage of halal foods and horse meat, then go on to how halal meat is prepared, then say halal food is being brought in by "stealth", then make a random comment ablout an apparent butch being closed down by the "al hal" goons to finish off in saying you aren't against a specific religion.

From you initial post (and this is justmy opinion for what it's worth) the rest of the thread seems to have been as random as your initial post and then go on to the "evil muslims"

I did try resist posting in this thread but i just couldn't resist what appears to have become a singled out target (not saying that was you intention)

I will end by saying this to everyone who posted on this thread, if you dont like the way halal meat, kosher meat, any other specific preparation of meat is done you have the free choice of not buying it, it's as simple as that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone ever worked in a slaughter house, well I have and the only animals in my time that was shot were cows, the rest were all stunned then there throats cut, and no I was not involved in that part I was there a a driver to deliver the fresh meat, but if there is any other way you would slaughter these animals I would like to hear them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone ever worked in a slaughter house, well I have and the only animals in my time that was shot were cows, the rest were all stunned then there throats cut, and no I was not involved in that part I was there a a driver to deliver the fresh meat, but if there is any other way you would slaughter these animals I would like to hear them"

Possibly gassing as i mentioned earlier..

and not to sound disgusting, but a total annihilation of the brain can be done pretty quickly..removing any signs of perceived consciousness

so thats two ways, one is a slow process and the other looks brutal but instant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would love to know of any less drastic ways of killing, but I bet there is none out there

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