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So if you're the sort of person who gets upset when an incorrect pronoun is used, what's your thoughts on this? | |||
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"Often, someone will be triggered by another using an incorrect pronoun - even when done without malice. So I wondered how those who are triggered by such, would feel about something which happened over the weekend... I (Mr) received a message with the pronoun 'you', but in plural form. Clearly the plural of 'you' is also 'you', but often used with a collective noun 'you guys' for example. However, over the last decade or so, the word 'yous' has started to become more popular. In the message sent to me, it wasn't even this. Instead it was the word 'use'. Are use looking to meet? This isn't just an incorrect pronoun, it's a verb being placed in the position of a nonexistent pronoun!
So if you're the sort of person who gets upset when an incorrect pronoun is used, what's your thoughts on this? "Surely it's either just a spelling issue or someone who uses the word in local dialect. Did you just start this to piss off people who use different pronouns? Aren't you big and clever.  | |||
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".Did you just start this to piss off people who use different pronouns? Aren't you big and clever. "Nope, not at all, that's just an assumption you made about someone you have never met, and don't know. I've asked a genuine question, which I would like to know the answer to. | |||
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".Did you just start this to piss off people who use different pronouns? Aren't you big and clever.
Nope, not at all, that's just an assumption you made about someone you have never met, and don't know. I've asked a genuine question, which I would like to know the answer to. "Yeah sure. | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. " This  | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. This "Yes. This. In Scots the plural or you is 'yous'. (Google it, I am not making it up.) I sometimes say 'yis'. So either a grammar issue or a Scot or a combination. | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. " Maybe so, but it's still incorrect. So I'm wondering wether those people who would challenge someone for using an incorrect pronoun (I'll reiterate, without malice), would also challenge this? Despite what the poster above believes, I have no issue with people using whatever pronoun this wish for. This who have meet me, and know me, will agree. In contrast, I do have an issue with those who try to make others feel uncomfortable for making a mistake though. | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. This
Yes. This.
In Scots the plural or you is 'yous'. (Google it, I am not making it up.) I sometimes say 'yis'.
So either a grammar issue or a Scot or a combination."It wasn't a Scot, I know the person, they are from The Midlands. So are at least 3 generations of their family. Also, their mother and father do not use this word. For final clarity, it wasn't an isolated incident, the person doesn't have learning difficulties, and they had a decent education. | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. " Grammar/ spelling issue | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. " It's not a grammar issue, it's a scouse issue. | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. " • Agreed. | |||
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"I'm not sure why homonym confusion would be put in the same category as respecting someone's right to be who they are." • And agreed again. | |||
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"Often, someone will be triggered by another using an incorrect pronoun - even when done without malice. So I wondered how those who are triggered by such, would feel about something which happened over the weekend... I (Mr) received a message with the pronoun 'you', but in plural form. Clearly the plural of 'you' is also 'you', but often used with a collective noun 'you guys' for example. However, over the last decade or so, the word 'yous' has started to become more popular. In the message sent to me, it wasn't even this. Instead it was the word 'use'. Are use looking to meet? This isn't just an incorrect pronoun, it's a verb being placed in the position of a nonexistent pronoun!
So if you're the sort of person who gets upset when an incorrect pronoun is used, what's your thoughts on this? "To answer your question I would delete the message, I read it as a spelling mistake and as much as I am not the best in spelling, I always check my spelling, there is always something that can help someone with their own spelling so there is no excuse. Also it's whether not wether. | |||
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"The whole thing about misusing pronouns is its usually dickish behaviour. For reasonable people if asked to use a different pronoun we do. So if you want to use this as an example, did you ask him to refer to you in a different way and he refused? Then he's a douche. If not then it's not comparable at all. " Yup. Do your best, don't be a dick, all good. In this instance I think being a dick (given the norms of Fab) is making a big deal about poor spelling - it's certainly frowned upon in the forum. | |||
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"I think Irvine Welsh has a lot to answer for." His stories are worth the hell of actually reading them though. | |||
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"I think Irvine Welsh has a lot to answer for. His stories are worth the hell of actually reading them though." Oh absolutely, I loved Porno ( the book before anyone gets smutty lol) | |||
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"It's not a pronoun issue. It's a grammar issue. Maybe so, but it's still incorrect. So I'm wondering wether those people who would challenge someone for using an incorrect pronoun (I'll reiterate, without malice), would also challenge this? Despite what the poster above believes, I have no issue with people using whatever pronoun this wish for. This who have meet me, and know me, will agree. In contrast, I do have an issue with those who try to make others feel uncomfortable for making a mistake though." I suspect this was not a pronoun decusion, rather a lazy and/or erroneous use of language. In regard to misgendering, in my experience, the intent behind what is said is the important factor. We can usually tell an innocent mistake from a delibrrate slight. I am of a mind to ask why anyone, regardless of gender identity would be offended by the example above. And further, why anyone would link the example with the pronoun debate that some people seem to have so much fun stirring up. | |||
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"I use ‘youse’ when trying to include both people. Im rubbish at english language though, so correct sentence structure or use of words in the correct tense often escapes me. I also type how i talk. Lol. I try not to judge people on how they express themselves in written word. " ,,, this | |||
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" In regard to misgendering, in my experience, the intent behind what is said is the important factor. We can usually tell an innocent mistake from a delibrrate slight. I am of a mind to ask why anyone, regardless of gender identity would be offended by the example above. And further, why anyone would link the example with the pronoun debate that some people seem to have so much fun stirring up. " Yep, this is my point. It's normally obvious when it's a mistake. Which is why my question was aimed at those who are triggered by the incorrect use of pronouns, rather than me asking those who use different pronouns. So far, nobody who has commented on this post, seems to be that irrational. Even those who use different pronouns seen to agree that a genuine mistake, is just that! Hence the reason why I'm asking the question. Would those who are triggered, (by which I mean irrationally upset), challenge an incorrect use of a word such as 'use'? | |||
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" In regard to misgendering, in my experience, the intent behind what is said is the important factor. We can usually tell an innocent mistake from a delibrrate slight. I am of a mind to ask why anyone, regardless of gender identity would be offended by the example above. And further, why anyone would link the example with the pronoun debate that some people seem to have so much fun stirring up. Yep, this is my point. It's normally obvious when it's a mistake. Which is why my question was aimed at those who are triggered by the incorrect use of pronouns, rather than me asking those who use different pronouns. So far, nobody who has commented on this post, seems to be that irrational. Even those who use different pronouns seen to agree that a genuine mistake, is just that! Hence the reason why I'm asking the question. Would those who are triggered, (by which I mean irrationally upset), challenge an incorrect use of a word such as 'use'?" Who is going to own up to being 'irrationally' upset? | |||
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"Often, someone will be triggered by another using an incorrect pronoun - even when done without malice. So I wondered how those who are triggered by such, would feel about something which happened over the weekend... I (Mr) received a message with the pronoun 'you', but in plural form. Clearly the plural of 'you' is also 'you', but often used with a collective noun 'you guys' for example. However, over the last decade or so, the word 'yous' has started to become more popular. In the message sent to me, it wasn't even this. Instead it was the word 'use'. Are use looking to meet? This isn't just an incorrect pronoun, it's a verb being placed in the position of a nonexistent pronoun!
So if you're the sort of person who gets upset when an incorrect pronoun is used, what's your thoughts on this? "This is local dialect. Very common in Glasgow. It may be not be "the King's English" but it is widely used | |||
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" In regard to misgendering, in my experience, the intent behind what is said is the important factor. We can usually tell an innocent mistake from a delibrrate slight. I am of a mind to ask why anyone, regardless of gender identity would be offended by the example above. And further, why anyone would link the example with the pronoun debate that some people seem to have so much fun stirring up. Yep, this is my point. It's normally obvious when it's a mistake. Which is why my question was aimed at those who are triggered by the incorrect use of pronouns, rather than me asking those who use different pronouns. So far, nobody who has commented on this post, seems to be that irrational. Even those who use different pronouns seen to agree that a genuine mistake, is just that! Hence the reason why I'm asking the question. Would those who are triggered, (by which I mean irrationally upset), challenge an incorrect use of a word such as 'use'?" Perhaps they are irrationally triggered because they've been deliberately misgendered 50 times that week and they just snap. Perhaps they are just angry at something irrelevant to that situation and just snap. What would you consider to be 'irrationally upset'? | |||
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"The whole thing about misusing pronouns is its usually dickish behaviour. For reasonable people if asked to use a different pronoun we do. So if you want to use this as an example, did you ask him to refer to you in a different way and he refused? Then he's a douche. If not then it's not comparable at all. " It depends how it's put across to me. If I use the wrong pronoun I will generally apologise and use whatever the other person would like, unless they are cunty about it then I'll prob just tell them to go fuck themselves. There's ways to go about things and I've saw some massive over reactions to genuine mistakes. | |||
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" In regard to misgendering, in my experience, the intent behind what is said is the important factor. We can usually tell an innocent mistake from a delibrrate slight. I am of a mind to ask why anyone, regardless of gender identity would be offended by the example above. And further, why anyone would link the example with the pronoun debate that some people seem to have so much fun stirring up. Yep, this is my point. It's normally obvious when it's a mistake. Which is why my question was aimed at those who are triggered by the incorrect use of pronouns, rather than me asking those who use different pronouns. So far, nobody who has commented on this post, seems to be that irrational. Even those who use different pronouns seen to agree that a genuine mistake, is just that! Hence the reason why I'm asking the question. Would those who are triggered, (by which I mean irrationally upset), challenge an incorrect use of a word such as 'use'?" Irrationally upset according to you? Or irrationally upset according to their experiences and standards? I'm not upset, in a context like this, by homonym confusion or dialect, although that's irrelevant to pronouns as a culture war issue. | |||
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I've heard "Youse" all my life so wouldn't take exception to it.
I guess I answer to anything, even mistakes, and if there is malice I walk away. | |||
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"The whole thing about misusing pronouns is its usually dickish behaviour. For reasonable people if asked to use a different pronoun we do. So if you want to use this as an example, did you ask him to refer to you in a different way and he refused? Then he's a douche. If not then it's not comparable at all. Yup. Do your best, don't be a dick, all good. In this instance I think being a dick (given the norms of Fab) is making a big deal about poor spelling - it's certainly frowned upon in the forum." Let's remove spelling from English lessons at school,then as adults kids can't read or spell,thereby reducing their further education job/career prospects.Would you submit a CV/Job application with even one spelling mistake in it? As an employer would you give an interview to such an applicant? | |||
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