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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This should be good, who wants popcorn?

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley

At least £120 per week

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By *azzaahhWoman  over a year ago

north wales / chester

my ex was supposed to pay a total of £5 a week for all 3 kids ..he owes me 10 years worth !!

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By *teveanddebsCouple  over a year ago

Norwich

I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"At least £120 per week"

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple  over a year ago

Giffnock

1/4 of their wages

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By *issHottieBottieWoman  over a year ago

Kent


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!"

My ex gives me £25 a week. And if bigger items are needed he puts towards if when he can. I'd rather he be more generous with his time tbh but I suppose I can't have everything,

It's difficult to give an accurate figure as it all depends on circumstance x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

"

as far as i know the CSA take £10 for each child every £100 you earn, so 1 child would be £10 a week, 2 £20, 3 £30 etc

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As a rule of thumb it should be 15% of salary. However the csa will look into outgoings such as rent etc.

I have an agreement outside of csa and it works well.

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid"

Well this week

£15 school meals

£35 school shoes

£10 after school club

£15 school jumper

£10 out with friends

£80 fuel for car back and forth

Elec, gas quarter £10 per week

Food quarter £30 per week

List goes on and on

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The thing is they take it out one hand and give it back in the other

If a guy is now living with a new partner who has kids if he pays child support to a old partner family tax credits will make up his wages if what the CSA takes off him makes him fall below what is seem as the min money to live in so to me they may as well not bother taking it and just pay the benifit straight to the mother

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

never asked my daughters sperm doner for a penny, he's seen her for approx 6 hours in her 3 amazing years.

we dont need him or his money. frustrates the hell outta me that he can raise 3 kids that arent his and payy for things like holidays to turkey yet refuses to accept he has a daughter but i can not force a man to love his child

i know this statement is banded around a lot on here but i truly mean it,, 'its hiss loss'

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money"

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£15 school meals

£35 school shoes

£10 after school club

£15 school jumper

£10 out with friends

£80 fuel for car back and forth

Elec, gas quarter £10 per week

Food quarter £30 per week

List goes on and on"

yeah but child support is supposed go towards keeping a child, not keeping it so if ones paying £120 a week to me thats saying it costs £240 a week to keep a child, plus you dont buy school shes and jumpers ever week do you? and how is £80 a week for your car part of child support?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt."

Actually, quite the opposite! He was the one who persuaded me to start a family!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

"

No they dont if the absent parent is self employed, which is why I only get £30.00 per month!

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?"

I like the saying

"if you bred them you feed them"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?"

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

My ex doesnt even give his time! He has never bothered with his son!

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!

My ex gives me £25 a week. And if bigger items are needed he puts towards if when he can. I'd rather he be more generous with his time tbh but I suppose I can't have everything,

It's difficult to give an accurate figure as it all depends on circumstance x "

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By *ighland_RoseCouple  over a year ago

Brigadoon


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?"

Absolutely correct. And you shouldn't have to ask. If a man creates a life he should support that life. And £30 a month is shameful.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

I like the saying

"if you bred them you feed them""

Are you applying that to both parents or just the mother?

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By *empting Devil.Woman  over a year ago

Sheffield


"i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt."

If a man doesn't want a child then surely he should take all possible precautions. Which means use a condom always.

I am aware that all forms of contraception can fail, but too many men in relationships play fertility lottery.

It's very easy to say after the fact that they didn't want a child but it's much harder for a woman to walk away and begin again when there is an infant involved.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt.

Actually, quite the opposite! He was the one who persuaded me to start a family!!!!!!!"

That i can well believe.

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£15 school meals

£35 school shoes

£10 after school club

£15 school jumper

£10 out with friends

£80 fuel for car back and forth

Elec, gas quarter £10 per week

Food quarter £30 per week

List goes on and on

yeah but child support is supposed go towards keeping a child, not keeping it so if ones paying £120 a week to me thats saying it costs £240 a week to keep a child, plus you dont buy school shes and jumpers ever week do you? and how is £80 a week for your car part of child support?"

I do not use the car it is used to take her to and from school and clubs etc. what if parent with care is a stay at home.

By the way I have no help from my ex in raising my daughter.

Clothes are as you say as and when they are needed, but they do go though them at a rate of knots

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

its £30 a month more then i got for my son from my ex.my son is 28 now i never had a penny from my ex

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By * n zCouple  over a year ago

leamington spa

I get £450 per month for 3 kids, ex has them 2 nights per fortnight. But it depends how much they earn.....any desent bloke should be happy to contribute to his children's upbringing, financialy and in other ways.

A

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Never been through the CSA, there bloody useless.

We arranged it between ourselves and I pay £110 a month.

Though I still take him out shopping for clothes uniform etc.

You can't put a value on kids ever.

Your kids are priceless!!!!!!

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple  over a year ago

Bolton

The amount that he contributes towards his child doesn't seem to be very much, i suppose that gives us an idea as to what kind of guy he is! My ex resented paying for his daughter from his first marriage and now she has nothing to do with him (not just because of that) - i haven't asked him for money for our son but in fairness he stays with his dad a fair bit. All circumstances are different, I wish you well, Z

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

I like the saying

"if you bred them you feed them"

Are you applying that to both parents or just the mother?"

It takes two to make a child and should be the same to keep them

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can"

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple  over a year ago

Giffnock


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£80 fuel for car back and forth

List goes on and on"

Is that an Oil Tanker you are running the kids around in

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"Never been through the CSA, there bloody useless.

We arranged it between ourselves and I pay £110 a month.

Though I still take him out shopping for clothes uniform etc.

You can't put a value on kids ever.

Your kids are priceless!!!!!!"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt.

If a man doesn't want a child then surely he should take all possible precautions. Which means use a condom always.

I am aware that all forms of contraception can fail, but too many men in relationships play fertility lottery.

It's very easy to say after the fact that they didn't want a child but it's much harder for a woman to walk away and begin again when there is an infant involved."

plus lots of women get pregnant by mistake, but we accept whats happened and get on with life, what would happen to the child if we both walked away after a split up saying....fuck it i didnt want the child im not paying for it

if it happens it happens so we should man up and take responsibilities for our actions

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£80 fuel for car back and forth

List goes on and on

Is that an Oil Tanker you are running the kids around in "

Ford galaxy, lost one kid to a accident in a small car, never going to happen again

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple  over a year ago

Bolton


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£80 fuel for car back and forth

List goes on and on

Is that an Oil Tanker you are running the kids around in "

Bloody hell - didn't see that! i put about that much in my car a week and i'm driving all day with my job! Z

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!"

i never said you should

all because i ask for nothing off my ex that does not mean i think others shouldnt have anything either

I just wouldnt ask him for anything, i dont need him or anything off him but that does not mean i dont think men should support their kids it just means id sooner not ask

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!

i never said you should

all because i ask for nothing off my ex that does not mean i think others shouldnt have anything either

I just wouldnt ask him for anything, i dont need him or anything off him but that does not mean i dont think men should support their kids it just means id sooner not ask"

But to be fair you shouldn't have to ask

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

CSA rate was 15% for 1st child and 5 for 2nd... I paid even before they got involved as they are my kids and responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!

i never said you should

all because i ask for nothing off my ex that does not mean i think others shouldnt have anything either

I just wouldnt ask him for anything, i dont need him or anything off him but that does not mean i dont think men should support their kids it just means id sooner not ask

But to be fair you shouldn't have to ask"

my ex dont even buy my kids xmas or birthday gifts so hes not going to offer to give me money to keep them

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"CSA rate was 15% for 1st child and 5 for 2nd... I paid even before they got involved as they are my kids and responsibility."

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By *ushykebab69Couple  over a year ago

maidstone

i've got an asshole of an ex who is a self employed builder, always employed and charges £130 a day working 6 days a week, when we split we agreed £50/week/child - 2 kids and was married for 18 years, he paid that for a couple of months then went to the csa, told them he earnt £270 a week (most of his work is cash in hand so went straight in his pocket and he also told them he had one of the children for more than 52 nights a year, he was suppose to have them every other weekend but that hardly ever happened as he was always away racing his high performance cars, csa ordered he pay £36/week, by this time oldest child had left school, he paid £36 a week till second child left school, I could also support myself and my kids but why should he not support his kids, he even told them that he wouldn't give them pocket money as that came in the CSA money to me, the first year I left him he also told them that the csa money covered xmas presents too so they wouldn't be getting anything else other than what I got them and he didn't either! total tosser, older child hasn't seen him now for over 4 yrs (his choice) and no. 2 child sees him prob once a month. He's missed out so much on his children, hope he grows old and lonely in a little bedsit alone!!!!

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!

i never said you should

all because i ask for nothing off my ex that does not mean i think others shouldnt have anything either

I just wouldnt ask him for anything, i dont need him or anything off him but that does not mean i dont think men should support their kids it just means id sooner not ask

But to be fair you shouldn't have to ask

my ex dont even buy my kids xmas or birthday gifts so hes not going to offer to give me money to keep them"

Sounds a great chap

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt.

Actually, quite the opposite! He was the one who persuaded me to start a family!!!!!!!

That i can well believe. "

Is that a sincere or sarcastic comment?

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By *ushykebab69Couple  over a year ago

maidstone

also would like to add that my new partner is the complete opposite, pays his ex £240/month via the csa for his 6 yr old, we never miss having her every other weekend plus various holidays througout year, phones her regularly etc, so not all ex's are assholes lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"i think i would be grateful to get anything because you might of wanted a kid but he didnt.

If a man doesn't want a child then surely he should take all possible precautions. Which means use a condom always.

I am aware that all forms of contraception can fail, but too many men in relationships play fertility lottery.

It's very easy to say after the fact that they didn't want a child but it's much harder for a woman to walk away and begin again when there is an infant involved.

plus lots of women get pregnant by mistake, but we accept whats happened and get on with life, what would happen to the child if we both walked away after a split up saying....fuck it i didnt want the child im not paying for it

if it happens it happens so we should man up and take responsibilities for our actions"

Which is exactly what I am asking my child's father to do, man up and take responsibility!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!

i never said you should

all because i ask for nothing off my ex that does not mean i think others shouldnt have anything either

I just wouldnt ask him for anything, i dont need him or anything off him but that does not mean i dont think men should support their kids it just means id sooner not ask

But to be fair you shouldn't have to ask

my ex dont even buy my kids xmas or birthday gifts so hes not going to offer to give me money to keep them

Sounds a great chap"

hes just moved on

hes now living with someone else who has two kids and he now see its as they are his responsability, he works to look after who lives in his house, he said he cant afford to keep two families so im left to look after mine while he looks after his new mrs and her kids

No point arguing about it, gets you nowhere, best to just leave it be and get on with your life and leave him to get on with his

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"ive never asked my ex for child support, i work to provide for my kids myself

If he wanted to offer i would take it but im not asking i wouldnt lower myself to ask him for money

Why is it "lowering yourself" to expect the other parent to financially provide for their child? I do provide for my son, obviously, but why shouldnt my ex?

thats upto you if you want money from your ex, personally i would never ask mine for anything, i dont want his money, i can and do provide for my daughter myself and we do ok with any help from him, if i went to him for money i would feel like it was admitting i couldnt cope and i can

I can cope (just about) and my son has never gone without anything, he is dressed well, has two holidays per year but that is because I make sacrifices such as I buy clothes/shoes when I am desperate etc but why should that mean that my ex husband should not be made to be financially responsible for his child? I know for a fact that my ex doesnt make any sacrifices in his life!

i never said you should

all because i ask for nothing off my ex that does not mean i think others shouldnt have anything either

I just wouldnt ask him for anything, i dont need him or anything off him but that does not mean i dont think men should support their kids it just means id sooner not ask"

perhaps you should have worded your previous post differently then ie "lowering yourself" to ask??!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"CSA rate was 15% for 1st child and 5 for 2nd... I paid even before they got involved as they are my kids and responsibility."

If only all fathers had the same morals!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"perhaps you should have worded your previous post differently then ie "lowering yourself" to ask??!"

No i still stand by that, if i had to ask him for anything i would feel i was lowering myself

Please do read anything i put and think the way i feel is the way i think others should because i dont

Its all about how you feel and the type of relationship you have with your ex, i dont have the type where i could ask him so i dont bother

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"perhaps you should have worded your previous post differently then ie "lowering yourself" to ask??!

No i still stand by that, if i had to ask him for anything i would feel i was lowering myself

Please do read anything i put and think the way i feel is the way i think others should because i dont

Its all about how you feel and the type of relationship you have with your ex, i dont have the type where i could ask him so i dont bother

"

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"CSA rate was 15% for 1st child and 5 for 2nd... I paid even before they got involved as they are my kids and responsibility.

If only all fathers had the same morals!"

There are alot of parents that do pay. Think my parents would kill us if we didn't look after our children

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"perhaps you should have worded your previous post differently then ie "lowering yourself" to ask??!

No i still stand by that, if i had to ask him for anything i would feel i was lowering myself

Please do read anything i put and think the way i feel is the way i think others should because i dont

Its all about how you feel and the type of relationship you have with your ex, i dont have the type where i could ask him so i dont bother

"

I dont have any relationship with my child's father and neither does my child (his choice, not mine) but because I am unable to ask does that mean that my child shouldn't get? As I said in my original post, not sure who I despise more, my ex or the government who allow him to get away with it.

I dont care if a child was borne out of a one night stand or a long standing relationship (mine was marriage), the fact of the matter is, if you have a child then you are bound to be both morally and financially responsible for that child until they reach 18.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple  over a year ago

Bolton


"perhaps you should have worded your previous post differently then ie "lowering yourself" to ask??!

No i still stand by that, if i had to ask him for anything i would feel i was lowering myself

Please do read anything i put and think the way i feel is the way i think others should because i dont

Its all about how you feel and the type of relationship you have with your ex, i dont have the type where i could ask him so i dont bother

I dont have any relationship with my child's father and neither does my child (his choice, not mine) but because I am unable to ask does that mean that my child shouldn't get? As I said in my original post, not sure who I despise more, my ex or the government who allow him to get away with it.

I dont care if a child was borne out of a one night stand or a long standing relationship (mine was marriage), the fact of the matter is, if you have a child then you are bound to be both morally and financially responsible for that child until they reach 18.

"

Totally agree with you, some guys just want to dodge responsibilty - not all by any means - but with clever accounting you can't really blame any one else but him. Z

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By *agna Cum LaudeMan  over a year ago

Laudable


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!"

The amount is what is needed to ensure his child is well looked after and has everything he or she needs to fell safe and secure and to enjoy life.

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By *ucsparkMan  over a year ago

dudley


"perhaps you should have worded your previous post differently then ie "lowering yourself" to ask??!

No i still stand by that, if i had to ask him for anything i would feel i was lowering myself

Please do read anything i put and think the way i feel is the way i think others should because i dont

Its all about how you feel and the type of relationship you have with your ex, i dont have the type where i could ask him so i dont bother

I dont have any relationship with my child's father and neither does my child (his choice, not mine) but because I am unable to ask does that mean that my child shouldn't get? As I said in my original post, not sure who I despise more, my ex or the government who allow him to get away with it.

I dont care if a child was borne out of a one night stand or a long standing relationship (mine was marriage), the fact of the matter is, if you have a child then you are bound to be both morally and financially responsible for that child until they reach 18.

Totally agree with you, some guys just want to dodge responsibilty - not all by any means - but with clever accounting you can't really blame any one else but him. Z"

Excuse me not just men, CSA figures are showing a sharp rise in women being the parent without care.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

i Get JSL and i give my kid mums £70 as she is working and gets working tax money as well but i only get £240 pcm but i get my kid 2 days a week stay over, if he is not wanting to pay for it kid go to the csa,but ask him if he would like a private agreement between you two and come to agreement between you two, but remember don,t use the kid as a pawn

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple  over a year ago

Bolton


"i Get JSL and i give my kid mums £70 as she is working and gets working tax money as well but i only get £240 pcm but i get my kid 2 days a week stay over, if he is not wanting to pay for it kid go to the csa,but ask him if he would like a private agreement between you two and come to agreement between you two, but remember don,t use the kid as a pawn "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

In an ideal world both parents would sit down and work something out. However this world is far from ideal.

If someone is on benefits or is a millionaire the amount is going to vary massively so I don't think you can work out an ideal amount.

Things cost money but kids need your time more than money I think a lot of people have lost sight of that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"i Get JSL and i give my kid mums £70 as she is working and gets working tax money as well but i only get £240 pcm but i get my kid 2 days a week stay over, if he is not wanting to pay for it kid go to the csa,but ask him if he would like a private agreement between you two and come to agreement between you two, but remember don,t use the kid as a pawn "

Thank you for your post but I am with the CSA, have been since my son was born. But because my ex husband is self employed and has a rather good accountant, the csa accept that he can only afford to pay £30.00 per month. Believe me, I have been through every appeal process, written to my MP etc, nobody gives a flying f*** because at the end of the day, he is a father who is paying child support and statiscally that looks real good on paper despite the measly amount he pays. According to my MP and the CSA, the onus is on me to prove that he is living beyond his means and as I do not have the financial means to employ the services of a private detective, I can never prove it can I?

Well done to you for showing responsibility and good morals though!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"In an ideal world both parents would sit down and work something out. However this world is far from ideal.

If someone is on benefits or is a millionaire the amount is going to vary massively so I don't think you can work out an ideal amount.

Things cost money but kids need your time more than money I think a lot of people have lost sight of that."

My son receives neither from his father!

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By *aris23Woman  over a year ago

France

Twenty odd years ago when I became a single mother I didn't claim assistance from my ex either. He wandered off into the sunset and didn't see his kids for 21 years.

Anyway, I remarried and during a legal process to get the kids names changed the courts got wind of his non-support and forced me to put in a CSA claim. My ex (when tracked down by a investigator) promptly claimed that none of the children were his, until threatened with the £4k cost of DNA testing, whereupon he admitted they were his. This after I had been dragged into court under oath to swear he had been present at the conception and birth of each!!

Eventually he was ordered to pay x amount and almost immediately went onto unemployment benefit. Every six months for 15 years I got a letter from the CSA saying the amount I would receive would be.....£0 Not a single penny has he ever paid to his children - I worked! LOL

Funnily enough he resurfaced a year or so ago and found that only the eldest would give him the time of day. Even he has now given him the flick as he has worked out what a waster he is!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"In an ideal world both parents would sit down and work something out. However this world is far from ideal.

If someone is on benefits or is a millionaire the amount is going to vary massively so I don't think you can work out an ideal amount.

Things cost money but kids need your time more than money I think a lot of people have lost sight of that."

Oh and as his mother, I give both time and money

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

i get £240 pcm

paid mum £70

fuel money to get wean from school £10

feed wean on stay overs £20

pay for his martial arts training £30 pcm

so i don't have much to live on and if my car is off the road i need to get 2 buses and a round trip of 40 miles to pick him up so. and i asked for help from the bru i was told i cant clam any money for him cause is mum gets it.

so dads get a bum deal most times but at the end of the day he is my son so i do my best, but some times the best is not good for his mum,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Twenty odd years ago when I became a single mother I didn't claim assistance from my ex either. He wandered off into the sunset and didn't see his kids for 21 years.

Anyway, I remarried and during a legal process to get the kids names changed the courts got wind of his non-support and forced me to put in a CSA claim. My ex (when tracked down by a investigator) promptly claimed that none of the children were his, until threatened with the £4k cost of DNA testing, whereupon he admitted they were his. This after I had been dragged into court under oath to swear he had been present at the conception and birth of each!!

Eventually he was ordered to pay x amount and almost immediately went onto unemployment benefit. Every six months for 15 years I got a letter from the CSA saying the amount I would receive would be.....£0 Not a single penny has he ever paid to his children - I worked! LOL

Funnily enough he resurfaced a year or so ago and found that only the eldest would give him the time of day. Even he has now given him the flick as he has worked out what a waster he is!"

i would fight all the way for my kids and a dad that runs away from his kids needs his head looked at but what you did about the names was not right. my mum tried it when i was a kid and i told her my name on my Birth crit was XXXX and i keep my name. at the end of the day he is still there dad.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

forgot what you where told was not right you can get £5 perweek from his money no matter what and he has not got a say on it

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By *ovingit2012Man  over a year ago

Dudley

I used to pay £200 per month direct to my ex for my son.... then she thought if she went through csa she could get more.... how wrong was she??? Im now forced to pay 150 per month... hahahaha so now i put the other 50 per month into his trust fund.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

csa will look at what you make and see what you need to pay, and well done on putting the rest in to account for your kid

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh and as his mother, I give both time and money"

And your child will remember that

My kids never got anything off their dad, my 18 and 20 year old have nothing to do with their dad at all, thats nothing to do with me they are old enough to go where they like and see who they like, if he keeps going the same way my 11 year old will end up the same

I have a very good relationship with my kids and now they are adults they appreciate how hard it has been for me bringing up 3 kids alone, as will yours and thats worth more than anything

believe me i do know how you feel but i just dont think its worth getting stressed over, id sooner just say sod him and get on with my life without any input from him, lifes much calmer when your not fighting anyone/anything

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!"

Well I pay £70 a wk and I buy all shoes and coats and I pay for one holiday a year is that reasonable oh and I go halves on Xmas

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"In an ideal world both parents would sit down and work something out. However this world is far from ideal.

If someone is on benefits or is a millionaire the amount is going to vary massively so I don't think you can work out an ideal amount.

Things cost money but kids need your time more than money I think a lot of people have lost sight of that.

My son receives neither from his father!"

well that;s is lost, i give my sone all my free time and take him any time i can and if it was up to me i would have him full time

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Twenty odd years ago when I became a single mother I didn't claim assistance from my ex either. He wandered off into the sunset and didn't see his kids for 21 years.

Anyway, I remarried and during a legal process to get the kids names changed the courts got wind of his non-support and forced me to put in a CSA claim. My ex (when tracked down by a investigator) promptly claimed that none of the children were his, until threatened with the £4k cost of DNA testing, whereupon he admitted they were his. This after I had been dragged into court under oath to swear he had been present at the conception and birth of each!!

Eventually he was ordered to pay x amount and almost immediately went onto unemployment benefit. Every six months for 15 years I got a letter from the CSA saying the amount I would receive would be.....£0 Not a single penny has he ever paid to his children - I worked! LOL

Funnily enough he resurfaced a year or so ago and found that only the eldest would give him the time of day. Even he has now given him the flick as he has worked out what a waster he is!

i would fight all the way for my kids and a dad that runs away from his kids needs his head looked at but what you did about the names was not right. my mum tried it when i was a kid and i told her my name on my Birth crit was XXXX and i keep my name. at the end of the day he is still there dad. "

Why is changing their name wrong? My son has never met his father (father's choice) and when I got divorced and reverted to my maiden name, I wanted my son to share the same surname as me, it made sense and would stop any confusion for him. If my son had a relationship with his father it would have been completely different, as my my surname is the same as my fathers although him and my mother divorced when I was 9, however, I have always had a relationship with my father.

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By *aris23Woman  over a year ago

France


"Twenty odd years ago when I became a single mother I didn't claim assistance from my ex either. He wandered off into the sunset and didn't see his kids for 21 years.

Anyway, I remarried and during a legal process to get the kids names changed the courts got wind of his non-support and forced me to put in a CSA claim. My ex (when tracked down by a investigator) promptly claimed that none of the children were his, until threatened with the £4k cost of DNA testing, whereupon he admitted they were his. This after I had been dragged into court under oath to swear he had been present at the conception and birth of each!!

Eventually he was ordered to pay x amount and almost immediately went onto unemployment benefit. Every six months for 15 years I got a letter from the CSA saying the amount I would receive would be.....£0 Not a single penny has he ever paid to his children - I worked! LOL

Funnily enough he resurfaced a year or so ago and found that only the eldest would give him the time of day. Even he has now given him the flick as he has worked out what a waster he is!

i would fight all the way for my kids and a dad that runs away from his kids needs his head looked at but what you did about the names was not right. my mum tried it when i was a kid and i told her my name on my Birth crit was XXXX and i keep my name. at the end of the day he is still there dad. "

That's fine if you wanted to keep it. By the time we did it all the kids were old enough to decide for themselves what they wanted to do and they had been with their step-father for quite a few years. In those days it wasn't quite the done thing for a mother to have a different name to her children. They have never changed it back either - even though I've been divorced from their step-father for 14 years now. They had their fathers surname added as an additional Christian name and not one of them would ever admit to it even now!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!

Well I pay £70 a wk and I buy all shoes and coats and I pay for one holiday a year is that reasonable oh and I go halves on Xmas "

Oh and I have them 50 wk end a year because she works

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Oh and as his mother, I give both time and money

And your child will remember that

My kids never got anything off their dad, my 18 and 20 year old have nothing to do with their dad at all, thats nothing to do with me they are old enough to go where they like and see who they like, if he keeps going the same way my 11 year old will end up the same

I have a very good relationship with my kids and now they are adults they appreciate how hard it has been for me bringing up 3 kids alone, as will yours and thats worth more than anything

believe me i do know how you feel but i just dont think its worth getting stressed over, id sooner just say sod him and get on with my life without any input from him, lifes much calmer when your not fighting anyone/anything"

Yes, you are probably right but as of today, I have £2.38 in my bank account until I get paid on Thursday - I imagine my ex has not had to worry about that this weekend!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

well they new what there where doing then and my mum had a different name to us and i did not care cause she was my mum and no one said any thing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Twenty odd years ago when I became a single mother I didn't claim assistance from my ex either. He wandered off into the sunset and didn't see his kids for 21 years.

Anyway, I remarried and during a legal process to get the kids names changed the courts got wind of his non-support and forced me to put in a CSA claim. My ex (when tracked down by a investigator) promptly claimed that none of the children were his, until threatened with the £4k cost of DNA testing, whereupon he admitted they were his. This after I had been dragged into court under oath to swear he had been present at the conception and birth of each!!

Eventually he was ordered to pay x amount and almost immediately went onto unemployment benefit. Every six months for 15 years I got a letter from the CSA saying the amount I would receive would be.....£0 Not a single penny has he ever paid to his children - I worked! LOL

Funnily enough he resurfaced a year or so ago and found that only the eldest would give him the time of day. Even he has now given him the flick as he has worked out what a waster he is!

i would fight all the way for my kids and a dad that runs away from his kids needs his head looked at but what you did about the names was not right. my mum tried it when i was a kid and i told her my name on my Birth crit was XXXX and i keep my name. at the end of the day he is still there dad. "

pity some men, and yes in some cases women, dont remember that, if a guy walks away from his child and never pays for them or make a effort to see them do they really have the rights to still be called dad? so me anyone can provide sperm to make a child, dad is the ones whos there for you, looks after you, provides for you, helps you learn to ride a bike, picks you up when you fall over if you do none of that why should teh child still carry your name?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

wow reading through all these post am supprised at some of them,some times the csa takes away the fustration of dealing with the ex partner, i guess i have been lucky and get £260.00 per month but now the fustration is too much and will go ahead with the csa to deal with my ex,tax credits are good to top up your wage but the system is changing ..

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple  over a year ago

Bolton


"Oh and as his mother, I give both time and money

And your child will remember that

My kids never got anything off their dad, my 18 and 20 year old have nothing to do with their dad at all, thats nothing to do with me they are old enough to go where they like and see who they like, if he keeps going the same way my 11 year old will end up the same

I have a very good relationship with my kids and now they are adults they appreciate how hard it has been for me bringing up 3 kids alone, as will yours and thats worth more than anything

believe me i do know how you feel but i just dont think its worth getting stressed over, id sooner just say sod him and get on with my life without any input from him, lifes much calmer when your not fighting anyone/anything

Yes, you are probably right but as of today, I have £2.38 in my bank account until I get paid on Thursday - I imagine my ex has not had to worry about that this weekend!"

You have more than money - you have the love of your child and you always will that is priceless, you sound like a great parent - keep your chin up, Z

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh and as his mother, I give both time and money

And your child will remember that

My kids never got anything off their dad, my 18 and 20 year old have nothing to do with their dad at all, thats nothing to do with me they are old enough to go where they like and see who they like, if he keeps going the same way my 11 year old will end up the same

I have a very good relationship with my kids and now they are adults they appreciate how hard it has been for me bringing up 3 kids alone, as will yours and thats worth more than anything

believe me i do know how you feel but i just dont think its worth getting stressed over, id sooner just say sod him and get on with my life without any input from him, lifes much calmer when your not fighting anyone/anything

Yes, you are probably right but as of today, I have £2.38 in my bank account until I get paid on Thursday - I imagine my ex has not had to worry about that this weekend!"

well i am in the same boat as you untill tues i get £120 and i need to give her £70 of it so the gives me £50 to live off she took the wean into town the day to go shopping and she asked me to give the wean money all i had was £4 and i give it to him, but hay ho hes my son

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I get 12% a month from my ex which is brilliant. It's an agreement between us which seems to work ok so I'm very lucky. He has the kids a couple of times a week which is great because when we lived together he didn't see them at all. We only ever saw him when he came downstairs for alcohol or food.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh and as his mother, I give both time and money

And your child will remember that

My kids never got anything off their dad, my 18 and 20 year old have nothing to do with their dad at all, thats nothing to do with me they are old enough to go where they like and see who they like, if he keeps going the same way my 11 year old will end up the same

I have a very good relationship with my kids and now they are adults they appreciate how hard it has been for me bringing up 3 kids alone, as will yours and thats worth more than anything

believe me i do know how you feel but i just dont think its worth getting stressed over, id sooner just say sod him and get on with my life without any input from him, lifes much calmer when your not fighting anyone/anything

Yes, you are probably right but as of today, I have £2.38 in my bank account until I get paid on Thursday - I imagine my ex has not had to worry about that this weekend!

You have more than money - you have the love of your child and you always will that is priceless, you sound like a great parent - keep your chin up, Z"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

"

Yes along with how much the absent parent sees their child; the more they see them, the less they pay

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

Yes along with how much the absent parent sees their child; the more they see them, the less they pay"

thats not rite you cant say that about all the dads i love my kid and would walk the 40 miles to see him. and i pay what i can with what i get

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wow to all the posts on this subject, some I agree with and some I dont. I brought up all my three children myself. I worked hard for many hours a week and enjoyed lots of holidays/ good times with them. I never asked(or got) a penny from their Dad and do you kow what? It made not one iota of a differnece! I have three well balanced kids whom two have fantastic careers and the third is at college gaining qualifications for the future. We have never been short of a bob or two and I have always made sure my kids go on at least 2 foreign holidays a year. I have and never would rely on my ex but at the same time i have NEVER slagged him off on any way, shape or form to my off spring. There is no need! As my children grow older and get more wise they will see him for what he is and that is much better than me trying to force my opionions on them. Everything works out in the end!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wow to all the posts on this subject, some I agree with and some I dont. I brought up all my three children myself. I worked hard for many hours a week and enjoyed lots of holidays/ good times with them. I never asked(or got) a penny from their Dad and do you kow what? It made not one iota of a differnece! I have three well balanced kids whom two have fantastic careers and the third is at college gaining qualifications for the future. We have never been short of a bob or two and I have always made sure my kids go on at least 2 foreign holidays a year. I have and never would rely on my ex but at the same time i have NEVER slagged him off on any way, shape or form to my off spring. There is no need! As my children grow older and get more wise they will see him for what he is and that is much better than me trying to force my opionions on them. Everything works out in the end! "
well done and keep up the good work with the kids

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wow to all the posts on this subject, some I agree with and some I dont. I brought up all my three children myself. I worked hard for many hours a week and enjoyed lots of holidays/ good times with them. I never asked(or got) a penny from their Dad and do you kow what? It made not one iota of a differnece! I have three well balanced kids whom two have fantastic careers and the third is at college gaining qualifications for the future. We have never been short of a bob or two and I have always made sure my kids go on at least 2 foreign holidays a year. I have and never would rely on my ex but at the same time i have NEVER slagged him off on any way, shape or form to my off spring. There is no need! As my children grow older and get more wise they will see him for what he is and that is much better than me trying to force my opionions on them. Everything works out in the end! well done and keep up the good work with the kids "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have never asked for a penny from my ex and never will it takes her all her time to buy thm a birthday card

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Sadly too often it is the bitterness and point scoring between the adults that impact the child emotionally & financially.

Very sad.

For the two people who sat down and discussed bringing a new life into this world, the possible impacts of any seperation in the future and the agreement that any child is the priority...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!"

Surely he must know he should be contributing more than £30 per month! Thats £7.50 per week! £30 a week would be more acceptable, if hes working.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I paid approximately £650 a month for 7 years until both my daughters were 19 and it was the one thing I never objected to. I objected to the fact that she got the house and I got all the debts but it never got me anywhere lol

But they were my daughters and it was right for me to pay for them. That's my _iew anyway

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If your working do you need his help? Did he leave you the house? lots to be taken into consideration. How often do you let him have the kid? Does he see him or her as often as you? If not why not, their both your kids fair is fair!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

CSA take 15% net income for one child and 20% for two children!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And do you get 15 or 20% of the kids time too?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have one child with my ex/w and I give her £150/month. That seems a fair amount as it's my responsibility to help put a roof over my daughter's head and food in her tummy, it's not my responsibility to do the same for her mother though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And do you get 15 or 20% of the kids time too? "

The amount paid doesn't equate to the time you have them. The unemployed wouldn't see their children at all on that basis.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You get me wrong, i am saying its not all about Mum, Dad should get equal amounts of time with their children, kids are not just for mums but for Dads too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I paid approximately £650 a month for 7 years until both my daughters were 19 and it was the one thing I never objected to. I objected to the fact that she got the house and I got all the debts but it never got me anywhere lol

But they were my daughters and it was right for me to pay for them. That's my _iew anyway

"

Was your earning potential greater than your ex-wife's? If you'd split the house and the debt equally you may well have found that she couldn't afford to house herself to a standard that she had become used to, and you would have then had to make up the shortfall which could have equated to more than the £650/month you were paying plus the amount you paid to service the debt.

You could have gone for what's called a charge against the property, which is held as a percentage and realised when she sells the house or your youngest child turns 19. The benefit of that is that the house is likely to increase in value over that time and your 'cut' will be worth more.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you split up, cant you just take the proceeds out of the house by selling it, splitting it in half then getting on with life?

Also would like to add, if you have kids...divorce has to be the very last option. So many celebs take the piss and others follow suit! Remember the vows, for better for worse ...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You get me wrong, i am saying its not all about Mum, Dad should get equal amounts of time with their children, kids are not just for mums but for Dads too."

I do get where you're coming from and I can see how some would _iew it as unfair to hand over a portion of a wage packet but not see the kids for as much as you'd prefer.

Children need stability, and nothing is more unsettling for a child than it's parents splitting up. They need continuity and every other weekend is much better for a child than sporadic undefined access times. I used to have my daughter every other weekend plus every Wednesday night and take her to school on Thursday morning, although that mid week access had to stop when I moved up north. She's now 15 and as things going on in her life that meant the every other weekend access had to be changed and now we have quality time together in the school breaks. I was lucky in the respect that my ex/w valued the time she had alone when our daughter was with me so she never blocked me seeing her.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Thats good wishy, i take my stance as my Mum left my Dad when i was 4. I lived in Edinburgh and was taken to Kent, saw my Dad for 7 days a year, yet he sent my Mum money every week. I felt that was so unfair for him.I now see my Dad a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If you split up, cant you just take the proceeds out of the house by selling it, splitting it in half then getting on with life?

Also would like to add, if you have kids...divorce has to be the very last option. So many celebs take the piss and others follow suit! Remember the vows, for better for worse ..."

The way it works is that a woman has a right to expect to continue living in the manner to which she has become accustomed. If the sale of a house doesn't provide enough money for two houses to be bought of a reasonable standard then she has the right to purchase a house she does find acceptable and you make up the shortfall in the mortgage.

Personally, I took the _iew that it was better for my daughter to remain in the house she knew, in the area she was familiar with and the school she was attending at the time. Signing over the house allowed that to happen.

Here's a twist though: I now have a second family up here and if Siren and I split she would get the house (it's in her name anyway as she'd bought it before I met her) but if we moved and got a new mortgage with both our names on it, it would amount to nothing if we split up. She would get the house because she'd have the kids.

Where is my security? It is in remaining with my family.

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By *xpresMan  over a year ago

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I pay £70pw BUT i also buy clothes shoes trainers coats etc i get my boys on saturday 1300 n drop them off @ 1600 sunday but the times are up for change on both parts only takes a call or txt. We had a v bitter breakup BUT never had it out infront of my boys.. i never mention her infront if them n she said she wouldnt either....

but going back to the cash situation i pay what we agree out of the CSA.. But i dont understand Ladies saying they wont ask their Ex for cash, its your right n the kids deserve the money no matter how much the dad sees the kid obviously when it comes to xmas n bdays or holidays the cash is welcome

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Do you ever feel your monies are not spent on your kids but go to help a life style?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I pay £70pw BUT i also buy clothes shoes trainers coats etc i get my boys on saturday 1300 n drop them off @ 1600 sunday but the times are up for change on both parts only takes a call or txt. We had a v bitter breakup BUT never had it out infront of my boys.. i never mention her infront if them n she said she wouldnt either....

but going back to the cash situation i pay what we agree out of the CSA.. But i dont understand Ladies saying they wont ask their Ex for cash, its your right n the kids deserve the money no matter how much the dad sees the kid obviously when it comes to xmas n bdays or holidays the cash is welcome"

I agree with e comment about the money, the ladies who don't think it's worth asking him for money are wrong, we do all sorts for our kids and this is just one thing we should be doing, having dealt with the CSA for 13 years now, the money is for the upkeep of the kids which is food, roof over heads, , the amounts I have received via CSa have ranged from £0 per week for 2 children, up to £175 per week, the CSA only take into account the parent without cares income when assessing how much should be paying, the parent with care's income is not taken into account at all these days. I don't like my ex much, and did not think he should get away with not paying anything, everything he pays has been hard work , but it's what you do to give your children the best you can, I put all of what I get from CSA into bank accounts for children for when they are older and need first car, or want to go Uni. This is obviously a hot topic and as everyones situation is personal to them as are there _iews , but end of the day its not about us the parents, it's about whats best for the children. The financial side should be totally seperate from the issue of how much time each parent gets with the parent.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Do you ever feel your monies are not spent on your kids but go to help a life style? "

You sound like my ex, he never wanted to pay as he said he was supporting my lifestyle, which was never going out, do not smoke or drink, but I did take kids on days out to zoos, theme parks etc and on a holiday once ayear, so what lifestyle do these guys think us single parents have lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Do you ever feel your monies are not spent on your kids but go to help a life style? "

I'd drive myself insane if I starting thinking like that. I pay her and she adds that to her own pot and decides how to spend it. She knows that if she doesn't spend her money wisely she can't come back to me for more, but considering it was her obsession with money that drove us apart I can't imagine her ever running out of cash.

The thing is, if you look at the wider picture, as a parent you never stop paying anyway. I know that in 4 years time, when my daughter turns 19, I won't have to pay my ex a penny anymore, but by then my daughter will be in Uni and will need financial support from both of us. The £150/month I give my ex will go straight to my daughter while she's at Uni, and I suspect the amount will be more than £150 a month anyway. Then there will be her first car, the insurance for it, repairs, etc etc .. Can't wait.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

horny bbw do you work? I only say cos i never saw any of my dads money... and my Mum re married so surely he should pay for the kids he took on?? It wasnt my fault my parents divorced.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"horny bbw do you work? I only say cos i never saw any of my dads money... and my Mum re married so surely he should pay for the kids he took on?? It wasnt my fault my parents divorced."

I have been in both situations, working and not working, and as for your mum remarrying I would have thought he took the whole family on, not just your mum, and it's never the kids fault when parents split.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well my Dad still had to pay loads and only saw me for 7 days a year. Sometimes i think Mums rely on payments from Dads as a living?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"horny bbw do you work? I only say cos i never saw any of my dads money... and my Mum re married so surely he should pay for the kids he took on?? It wasnt my fault my parents divorced."

It gets very messy if a man is expected to pay for another man's children because he marries their mother. What if they get divorced? Should he then have to pay for another man's kids whilst their natural father pays nothing?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I paid approximately £650 a month for 7 years until both my daughters were 19 and it was the one thing I never objected to. I objected to the fact that she got the house and I got all the debts but it never got me anywhere lol

But they were my daughters and it was right for me to pay for them. That's my _iew anyway

"

Blimey that is a phenomenal amount of money, how did you manage to survive? Something that does concern me when the CSA demand huge amounts from the father taking no consideration for whether he can afford it or not

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well I know never to rely on payments from ex , as he rarely ever paid on time. ANd with respect, the parent without care is not paying to see the child, but for the costs of bringing up that child, please don't take offence but you confuse me your profile says yr 47 and 49, so this must have happened to you a long time ago, and things are so much different now to then. Did I read your dad was in Scotland and your mum kent, I am guessing distance sometimes plays a big part on how often one parent sees kids.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

Yes along with how much the absent parent sees their child; the more they see them, the less they pay thats not rite you cant say that about all the dads i love my kid and would walk the 40 miles to see him. and i pay what i can with what i get "

Not sure why you have said what you have said. Information my son received from the CSA said that the more he saw his daughter, the less he has to pay the mother which pleases him immensely when the selfish bitch goes off into town clubbing and dumps the child on anyone she can find to babysit yet won't allow her to stay at my house (where my son lives)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"horny bbw do you work? I only say cos i never saw any of my dads money... and my Mum re married so surely he should pay for the kids he took on?? It wasnt my fault my parents divorced.

It gets very messy if a man is expected to pay for another man's children because he marries their mother. What if they get divorced? Should he then have to pay for another man's kids whilst their natural father pays nothing?"

Thats another can of worms opened lol Even if the parent with care remarries, the parent without care should be contributing towards costs of the children, and if the new marriage ends, then I woudl say the real parent should continue to pay for the kids, not the step parent.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

yes bbw you are right a long time ago, but not sure that feelings change! expectations of partners may though in the years that have gone by, for instance marriage isnt so popular even when having kids. Then women want to look after the kids but want the man to pay? I from my experience feel that its not all about Mum,its about the kids and the kids seeing Mum and Dad in the same amount of time... the days of women staying at home and men working and not seeing their children i hope has finished when it happened to me in the 70s,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

Yes along with how much the absent parent sees their child; the more they see them, the less they pay thats not rite you cant say that about all the dads i love my kid and would walk the 40 miles to see him. and i pay what i can with what i get

Not sure why you have said what you have said. Information my son received from the CSA said that the more he saw his daughter, the less he has to pay the mother which pleases him immensely when the selfish bitch goes off into town clubbing and dumps the child on anyone she can find to babysit yet won't allow her to stay at my house (where my son lives) "

Thats true, the CSA take into account how many regular over night stays the parent without care has the child/children, and then this is taken into account when they assess.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"yes bbw you are right a long time ago, but not sure that feelings change! expectations of partners may though in the years that have gone by, for instance marriage isnt so popular even when having kids. Then women want to look after the kids but want the man to pay? I from my experience feel that its not all about Mum,its about the kids and the kids seeing Mum and Dad in the same amount of time... the days of women staying at home and men working and not seeing their children i hope has finished when it happened to me in the 70s, "

I spilt from my ex when my kids were about 6 months and 22months, I was working full time, and to begin with was a struggle, but I pushed for the dad to have them every other weekend, firstly as liek you say kids have 2 parents an should see them both, even if i hated their dad at the time, and 2ndly, for a selfish reason is sometimes I needed a break, working , kids, working, kids, was my life for a long time, after a short while the dad kept letting them down, and in t he end I stopped him seeing them for a while , till he could commit to regular contact, to be honest, everything to do with my kids ex has been hard work, getting him to see them regularly and paying towards them, but now kids get wiser much earlier, and can see what happens and now I let my kids choose when to see him, plus not easy telling teenagers these days what to do lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yeah i see your point, but a bit amazed that you split when your child was only 6 months old.. that to me says it must have been terrible? Cant get my head around that, sorry ..were you married long? I just hate people splitting up when kids are involved ... not meant to upset btw. just thoughts .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I never married my kids dad, but to be honest, he turned out to be a nasty piece of work, was violent, cheated, and I wa snot going to put up with that, and one day he threw I think a can of something at the wall behind me, and it bounced and hit my son who t=was the elder at the time, luckily he was not hurt, but that was the thing that told me, it was going nowhere, and for kids sake did nto want them to hear arguing an see violence, I left him, yeah it would have been easy to stay an hope he would change, but it was not a risk i was going to take, I thought I deserved much better, and my kids should grown up in a safe environment, and I was right, the ex, had 2 more kids with 2 more different ladies, and was violent with them both, I did try to warn them what he was like, but of course, they thought they loved him and he was a nice guy, just a shame women have to find out the hard way, And even after all that, I still pushed for him to see his kids when younger. Cos I knew it was him and me who had a problem, not the kids,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"...I still pushed for him to see his kids when younger. Cos I knew it was him and me who had a problem, not the kids,"

It wasn't you and him who had the problem though was it, it was him with his short fuse, as demonstrated subsequently with his other partners.

I find myself questioning why you'd let their father have contact with them when you felt his menace was serious enough to leave him? (I'm not criticising you though, merely curious)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Were you with him a long time? did you know him well? was he suddenly a bad man?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Very negative situations here. Can we ask the question again based on. My ex is a great father who is in my child's life and is happy to have financial responsibility. Gee wizz. My ex pays me £200 a month and spoils her rotten when he sees her his 2 days a week. Works for us. And he is a great dad who can hold his head high x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"...I still pushed for him to see his kids when younger. Cos I knew it was him and me who had a problem, not the kids,

It wasn't you and him who had the problem though was it, it was him with his short fuse, as demonstrated subsequently with his other partners.

I find myself questioning why you'd let their father have contact with them when you felt his menace was serious enough to leave him? (I'm not criticising you though, merely curious)"

I left him cos he was violent to me an cheated on me, personally thats more than enough reason to leave anybody, and he went to live with his dad and so knew my kids were safe

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"...I still pushed for him to see his kids when younger. Cos I knew it was him and me who had a problem, not the kids,

It wasn't you and him who had the problem though was it, it was him with his short fuse, as demonstrated subsequently with his other partners.

I find myself questioning why you'd let their father have contact with them when you felt his menace was serious enough to leave him? (I'm not criticising you though, merely curious) I left him cos he was violent to me an cheated on me, personally thats more than enough reason to leave anybody, and he went to live with his dad and so knew my kids were safe "

Was he violent to kids tho. Some guys can be shit husbands but great dads. Which if the case I feel they should be in their lives. So long as no threat to them x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Very negative situations here. Can we ask the question again based on. My ex is a great father who is in my child's life and is happy to have financial responsibility. Gee wizz. My ex pays me £200 a month and spoils her rotten when he sees her his 2 days a week. Works for us. And he is a great dad who can hold his head high x"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Were you with him a long time? did you know him well? was he suddenly a bad man? "
worked with him for couple of years before getting with him, so did not know he had this other side or would never got with him, but is all good now I believe in karma and what goes around comes aroundaround my kids hv never gone without, last year alone went to Paris Florida Canada and new York, they hv swam with sharks dolphins flown in helicopters tiger moth plane hot air ballons, I hv struggled to give them everything I can and I have not had a penny in ten months from him

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman  over a year ago

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I've been apart from my sons father nearly 8 years and we had a personal arrangement outside of the CSA when we 1st split and both agreed to him having access to our son.

6 years after the split, we share him, so we have the equal amount of time with him and this arangement suits us both, so I'm very lucky and so is our son.

Money plays no part now, his dad spends what he wants on his son and so do I. Its so much less stressful.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've been apart from my sons father nearly 8 years and we had a personal arrangement outside of the CSA when we 1st split and both agreed to him having access to our son.

6 years after the split, we share him, so we have the equal amount of time with him and this arangement suits us both, so I'm very lucky and so is our son.

Money plays no part now, his dad spends what he wants on his son and so do I. Its so much less stressful.

"

That's how it should be.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Having split with my ex she blocked all access to my two daughters so I put money into an account for the youngest. My ex changed my daughter surname with out my consent so that had to be dealt with, I then mailed my youngest to say that I had been putting money away for her because her mother declined it and was blocking all access. My Solicitor advised I spent it as my daughter would not collect it. That was in 1993 and not spoken to my daughter since November 1990 her mother told her she did not have to speak to me. There are two sides to every story and its not just about money, I have no respect for the many mothers who poison their children against the father because of their behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I paid approximately £650 a month for 7 years until both my daughters were 19 and it was the one thing I never objected to. I objected to the fact that she got the house and I got all the debts but it never got me anywhere lol

But they were my daughters and it was right for me to pay for them. That's my _iew anyway

Blimey that is a phenomenal amount of money, how did you manage to survive? Something that does concern me when the CSA demand huge amounts from the father taking no consideration for whether he can afford it or not"

I managed to survive by not having any sort of life outside of work so that in 4 years I was able to pay the debts off at which point things got better, but it was a pretty tough period of my life.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

CSA dont make me laugh , its just a tax on single parents , dont get me wrong I totally agree that parents should be responsible for there children upkeep but this isnt the story with the CSA .

It destroyed peoples lives and ruined amicable relationships between ex/parteners and in the extreme cases caused people to take there own lives

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Before you ask how much money you should GET you ought to ask how much child you GIVE. Many men rarely get to see their children and should not have to pay until the mother starts being more reasonable regarding access

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"CSA dont make me laugh , its just a tax on single parents , dont get me wrong I totally agree that parents should be responsible for there children upkeep but this isnt the story with the CSA .

It destroyed peoples lives and ruined amicable relationships between ex/parteners and in the extreme cases caused people to take there own lives "

The CSA doesn't hand over to the mother the same amount it takes from the father. Some of it is held back to pay for the fathers they can't track down. I know this to be so as a friend of mine was giving his ex £200/month by personal arrangement, but when she started claiming additional benefits the CSA became involved and they took the £200 from my friend but only gave her £100 of it.

The CSA is nothing more than legalised mugging and even if couples sorted out their differences themselves it doesn't shake off the CSA if the parent with care applies for benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I use to get 30 pound a week off my ex. Then after we broke up he had another girl preggie so it got cut to 20 quid a week. Now he has a 3rd girl pregnant. All in the space off 3 years. He picks to see here every other weekend. Never asks to see her any extra. Not every single mum turns the kids against the father.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Going thru this at the moment and the CSA take 15% of take home pay.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£15 school meals

£35 school shoes

£10 after school club

£15 school jumper

£10 out with friends

£80 fuel for car back and forth

Elec, gas quarter £10 per week

Food quarter £30 per week

List goes on and on"

Do you buy school uniform each week??? Plus Uniforms and things like that are a cost shared not footed by just one. And I'm sure the gas and electric doesn't cost £10 a week just for one child

So I'd agree with nymph. It doesn't cost £120 a week to keep a child.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I guess it depends how much you earn. Don't the CSA work on both sides disposable income?

Yes along with how much the absent parent sees their child; the more they see them, the less they pay thats not rite you cant say that about all the dads i love my kid and would walk the 40 miles to see him. and i pay what i can with what i get

Not sure why you have said what you have said. Information my son received from the CSA said that the more he saw his daughter, the less he has to pay the mother which pleases him immensely when the selfish bitch goes off into town clubbing and dumps the child on anyone she can find to babysit yet won't allow her to stay at my house (where my son lives) "

You are right. If the parent sees their children over a set amount then he doesn't have to pay as much. The reasoning is simple. Because if the parent is seeing them often then he is paying for their upbringing too as they are at his or her house.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"At least £120 per week

lol it dont cost that much to keep a kid

Well this week

£15 school meals

£35 school shoes

£10 after school club

£15 school jumper

£10 out with friends

£80 fuel for car back and forth

Elec, gas quarter £10 per week

Food quarter £30 per week

List goes on and on"

So do you buy shoes and jumpers every week? Cos that's 50 quid you just added, 200 per month??? Take that off your 500 and left with 300 which is what CSA take roughly but even then with their cut the mum gets about 225 so we dont use them and she gets more and I pay less as we meet in middle. Also asda do great shoes for a tenner and jumpers for a 5, maybe you need to be a little more careful with your money

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By *andm288Couple  over a year ago

oxford

i agree that fathers should pay as i pay around £240 per month plus help out with big expenses school trips clothes etc i get to see my kids every wednesday after school and take them to school on thursday then every other sat night ! but it does not help when the ex slags me off in front of the kids

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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Here's a twist though: I now have a second family up here and if Siren and I split she would get the house (it's in her name anyway as she'd bought it before I met her) but if we moved and got a new mortgage with both our names on it, it would amount to nothing if we split up. She would get the house because she'd have the kids.

Where is my security? It is in remaining with my family."

And there is exactly the answer to why some married people play alone...........

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By *andm288Couple  over a year ago

oxford

lmao !

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If your working do you need his help? Did he leave you the house? lots to be taken into consideration. How often do you let him have the kid? Does he see him or her as often as you? If not why not, their both your kids fair is fair!"

Help? Why do you class it as help? It is his obligation to his child! No, I did not get the house! No he doesn't see his child because he rold me in no uncertain terms that he didnt want to be a told and then went on to deny he was his father to the csa and during the divorce. I live in a housing association house and work 30 hours per week. So when you talk about fairness, I couldn't agree more!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Before you ask how much money you should GET you ought to ask how much child you GIVE. Many men rarely get to see their children and should not have to pay until the mother starts being more reasonable regarding access"

And before you make statements like that, maybe you should ask me first - my son has never met his father because his father decided he had made a mistake and didn't want to be a dad! I didnt tell him he could never see his child! And even if, after 7 years of never sending a birthday or Christmas card to his son, if he were to suddenly make contact and want to see his child then I would let him because its my child I would put first! I've also never slagged him off to my son. So before you make accusations, maybe you should find out the facts first!

Not all women use their kids as pawns or easy ways to get money from the exes, just as not all men are useless fathers. I just want what us best for my child and what is fair and reasonable financially!

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By *amie0151Man  over a year ago

Wallasey


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!"

I haven't got any kids but I'd say 50 % of what it costs to raise your kids would be a fair amount...? That way it's fair and proportionate

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

After reading this thread I thank god me and my ex have stayed friends, she lets me have my kid every day I'm not at work, both work towards bringing her up together and also help each other out when need be cos two happy parents = one very happy child which we are blessed to have

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"After reading this thread I thank god me and my ex have stayed friends, she lets me have my kid every day I'm not at work, both work towards bringing her up together and also help each other out when need be cos two happy parents = one very happy child which we are blessed to have "

you are clearly decent people with good morals and I take my hat off to you both x My son is happy too though, I make sure of that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I know this is a hot topic - I totally appreciate that many employed men get stung by the csa but as a single mother whose ex is self employed and has a very adept accountant, I receive the princely sum of £30 per month. This doesn't even cover the costs of school meals for the month, let alone anything else, clothing etc.

I know what I think is a reasonable and fair amount of monthly child support is, what do you think?

Before I get slammed, I go to work!

I haven't got any kids but I'd say 50 % of what it costs to raise your kids would be a fair amount...? That way it's fair and proportionate "

exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Tin hat already fitted annnnnn let's begin!

Kids are from 0 till what ever age they are when they leave home, mine are 19 and 16 and still in education so it'll be a few years yet till they'll go out on there own. I still pay for everything they need from food to clothes to a bit of spends ,there my kids my responsibility!

It annoys me how a guy or lady can so easily just give up on their relationship then start another family with someone else!

We've all seen them , 3 or 4 kids all with different dads ,an who picks up the bill? Yep the state.

I admire the single parent who carrys on alone , working hard paying there way ,bringing up the child or children alone .......

....but let's not forget that partner who for whatever reason legged it , the one who gets called a bitch or a bastard or much worse .....hey you married them!

As for the cost well what price do you put on a child's happiness ?

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