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Firing downwards, it shows lack of imagination or talent if they only make fun of people in lesser positions.
I’m not saying it’s necessarily off limits, but it’s an indicator of unpleasant bits of their personality. |
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"Nothing it's their show you don't have to go.
Devil’s advocate… should they be more tame on wider media where you can happen across it rather than have had to buy a ticket and choose to listen "
No. They are comedians not guardians of morality |
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But as much as I'd defend their freedom to joke about anything they can't then whinge if people critucise or use their freedom to not have them in their theatre or on tv"
Do you mean theatre owners or customers ? |
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Nothing at all. Unless it is punching down. Comics have the same task today as the jesters of old. To expose and demystify power. Sometimes using offensive language to cut through bullshit, While the politicians use proper language and gentleman's behaviour while lying to your face. |
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But as much as I'd defend their freedom to joke about anything they can't then whinge if people critucise or use their freedom to not have them in their theatre or on tv
Owners..tho I suspect that will depend if their customers complain
Do you mean theatre owners or customers ?"
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Racism. By which I mean actual racism, not jokes about race.
There’s an east end comedian who does a lot of race humour based upon him being married to a Nigerian woman - it’s largely self deprecating and very funny.
The Bernard Manning/Jim Davidson 70’s style of race humour is fortunately long gone.
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As my favourite live comedian says ...
" There's nothing you can't joke about , it depends on the context "
And that's the thing , someone will always be offended by something that's personal to them , hence its impossible to not offended somebody  |
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"Hypocrisy. I was watching a comedian recently whose comedy was very hypocritical "
This.
When you know they believe in a certain way.
Then openly take the piss out of said subject.
I am watching think what? |
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"Nothing
But as much as I'd defend their freedom to joke about anything they can't then whinge if people critucise or use their freedom to not have them in their theatre or on tv"
Wholeheartedly agree. People think they just because they're comedians, they have free reign on all subjects without consequence. That can joke about what they want, but when it's in front of an audience larger than the people in that room, they can't be shocked when people do get offended. |
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"Nothing should be off limits.Offence is taken not given."
Given that the thread isn’t purely about comedians - you’re quite sure about that?
Anyone should be able to say anything, even in the workplace? In public? In a religious environment? |
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"Nothing should be off limits.Offence is taken not given."
That simply isn't so. Many people deliberately intend to give offence and frequently try to do so. Once they've achieved their aim they start squawking about not being able to say anything nowadays |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"Nothing should be off limits.Offence is taken not given.
That simply isn't so. Many people deliberately intend to give offence and frequently try to do so. Once they've achieved their aim they start squawking about not being able to say anything nowadays "
You cannot force someone to be offended.I believe (though I may be mistaken)that it was the late great Jewish comedian Jackie Mason who said offence is taken,when asked about his Jewish jokes.A good friend of mine is Jewish.He is a walking encyclopedia of Jewish jokes,many that would horrify a lot of people,he is not offended by any because he knows the difference between jokes and intentional hatred/racism/anti semitism. |
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"Nothing should be off limits.Offence is taken not given.
That simply isn't so. Many people deliberately intend to give offence and frequently try to do so. Once they've achieved their aim they start squawking about not being able to say anything nowadays
You cannot force someone to be offended.I believe (though I may be mistaken)that it was the late great Jewish comedian Jackie Mason who said offence is taken,when asked about his Jewish jokes.A good friend of mine is Jewish.He is a walking encyclopedia of Jewish jokes,many that would horrify a lot of people,he is not offended by any because he knows the difference between jokes and intentional hatred/racism/anti semitism."
Of course you can't force someone to be offended but you can and many do, intentionally set out to say or do things that they *know* will cause offence.
It takes an awful lot to offend me and I'm well able to distinguish between hate speech and jokes but I can also identify intentional hatred etc masquerading as a joke.
I think though that I'm talking more from a general point of view and you're talking from the point of view of comedy and comedians. Which after all is what the thread is about  |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"Nothing should be off limits.Offence is taken not given.
That simply isn't so. Many people deliberately intend to give offence and frequently try to do so. Once they've achieved their aim they start squawking about not being able to say anything nowadays
You cannot force someone to be offended.I believe (though I may be mistaken)that it was the late great Jewish comedian Jackie Mason who said offence is taken,when asked about his Jewish jokes.A good friend of mine is Jewish.He is a walking encyclopedia of Jewish jokes,many that would horrify a lot of people,he is not offended by any because he knows the difference between jokes and intentional hatred/racism/anti semitism.
Of course you can't force someone to be offended but you can and many do, intentionally set out to say or do things that they *know* will cause offence.
It takes an awful lot to offend me and I'm well able to distinguish between hate speech and jokes but I can also identify intentional hatred etc masquerading as a joke.
I think though that I'm talking more from a general point of view and you're talking from the point of view of comedy and comedians. Which after all is what the thread is about "
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There are laws in any society governing where the line is, wherever it is set there will always be debate over that position..
Recent history tells us that when there are no rules at all with what can be said about a group then that leads to oppression..
So whilst in a thread about stand up that might sound ott it's literally how things have gone and are for some in countries now..
It's only 'banter' and a bit of a laugh until it moves in a direction that some have decided it's part of an agenda .. |
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Nothing.
If a comedian cannot read the crowd response, then they shouldn't be on a stage.
Everyone is different and is offended by different things, some comedy I find distasteful, is laughed upon by others, it's up to us to chose how tolerant we are, of other people's choices. |
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"There are laws in any society governing where the line is, wherever it is set there will always be debate over that position..
Recent history tells us that when there are no rules at all with what can be said about a group then that leads to oppression..
So whilst in a thread about stand up that might sound ott it's literally how things have gone and are for some in countries now..
It's only 'banter' and a bit of a laugh until it moves in a direction that some have decided it's part of an agenda .."
To be honest, it's not the society's business to dictate what comedians do in closed circles.
I have been through a bad divorce and jokes about divorces both on TV and my own friends played an important role in helping me cope with it and move on faster. Now some divorced people may find jokes on divorce to be offensive. Should I be denied the opportunity to enjoy these jokes just because some people feel offended? How about "if you don't like a comedian, don't watch his shows?"
Being an Indian, I have seen plenty of jokes made by comedians and also TV shows about the Indian stereotypes. I find it funny, some would find it offensive. I will watch these shows and the ones who don't like them can skip them. I don't want the society to tell me what I should and shouldn't watch. |
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No subject what so ever should not be the subject of comedy. Nothing is off bounds.
Many of the comments made above totally ignore the heart of the question.
What SUBJECT should be out of bounds? That was the question.
People then start conflating comedy and jokes with offence. It doesn't work that way unless some knee jerk dust for brains screams at words like 'disabled' just for being spoken.
Jokes about disabled people are not ALL insulting or derogatory.
Those that scream , OMG the comedian said disabled.... are the problem.
Not the disabled people laughing.
Anyone ever notice Chris McCausland making jokes about his blindness ?
Or Rosie Jones ( I hate her ) making jokes about her Cerebal Palsy ?
They are people and part of society. They should not be rubbed out of comedy to save your sensitive ears and not thinking brain. |
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"No subject what so ever should not be the subject of comedy. Nothing is off bounds.
Many of the comments made above totally ignore the heart of the question.
What SUBJECT should be out of bounds? That was the question.
People then start conflating comedy and jokes with offence. It doesn't work that way unless some knee jerk dust for brains screams at words like 'disabled' just for being spoken.
Jokes about disabled people are not ALL insulting or derogatory.
Those that scream , OMG the comedian said disabled.... are the problem.
Not the disabled people laughing.
Anyone ever notice Chris McCausland making jokes about his blindness ?
Or Rosie Jones ( I hate her ) making jokes about her Cerebal Palsy ?
They are people and part of society. They should not be rubbed out of comedy to save your sensitive ears and not thinking brain."
Chris McCausland show 'Wonders of the World I Can't See' is funny.
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"No subject what so ever should not be the subject of comedy. Nothing is off bounds.
Many of the comments made above totally ignore the heart of the question.
What SUBJECT should be out of bounds? That was the question.
People then start conflating comedy and jokes with offence. It doesn't work that way unless some knee jerk dust for brains screams at words like 'disabled' just for being spoken.
Jokes about disabled people are not ALL insulting or derogatory.
Those that scream , OMG the comedian said disabled.... are the problem.
Not the disabled people laughing.
Anyone ever notice Chris McCausland making jokes about his blindness ?
Or Rosie Jones ( I hate her ) making jokes about her Cerebal Palsy ?
They are people and part of society. They should not be rubbed out of comedy to save your sensitive ears and not thinking brain."
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"No subject what so ever should not be the subject of comedy. Nothing is off bounds.
Many of the comments made above totally ignore the heart of the question.
What SUBJECT should be out of bounds? That was the question.
People then start conflating comedy and jokes with offence. It doesn't work that way unless some knee jerk dust for brains screams at words like 'disabled' just for being spoken.
Jokes about disabled people are not ALL insulting or derogatory.
Those that scream , OMG the comedian said disabled.... are the problem.
Not the disabled people laughing.
Anyone ever notice Chris McCausland making jokes about his blindness ?
Or Rosie Jones ( I hate her ) making jokes about her Cerebal Palsy ?
They are people and part of society. They should not be rubbed out of comedy to save your sensitive ears and not thinking brain."
A good example of this is Pete Davidson joking about his dad dying in the 9/11 attacks. |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like. "
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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Many years back long before he went to the UK I saw Paddy Kielty get into it more than once with the audience. As far as they were concerned somethings shouldn't be the subject of jokes.
Paddy went over their line and mocked them for their hypocrisy.
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now."
Personally I'm not a massive fan of jokes about Nazi concentration camps, because my Grandad died at Auschwitz.
He fell out of the guard tower. |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now."
Not the ‘Jimmy was actually raising awareness’ angle 
That people don’t know enough about three people the Nazis persecuted, murdered and experimented on is a fault with our education systems. That joke was not intended to teach anyone about anything. Comedian’s jokes rely on a level of understanding in order for them to land in the most part. |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now.
Not the ‘Jimmy was actually raising awareness’ angle
That people don’t know enough about three people the Nazis persecuted, murdered and experimented on is a fault with our education systems. That joke was not intended to teach anyone about anything. Comedian’s jokes rely on a level of understanding in order for them to land in the most part. "
I find Jimmy Carr funny but that joke wasn’t. Let’s not pretend. Sometimes comedians aren’t funny. It happens. |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now.
Not the ‘Jimmy was actually raising awareness’ angle
That people don’t know enough about three people the Nazis persecuted, murdered and experimented on is a fault with our education systems. That joke was not intended to teach anyone about anything. Comedian’s jokes rely on a level of understanding in order for them to land in the most part.
I find Jimmy Carr funny but that joke wasn’t. Let’s not pretend. Sometimes comedians aren’t funny. It happens. "
Humour is completely subjective. I don't think you can ever make an objective statement saying "That joke wasn't funny". I personally found it funny. But then I have always liked dark humour. The truth is Jimmy Carr has made many jokes in the past, which are even darker and would be considered more offensive. But this joke caught on, thanks to Netflix and the internet.
As for the educational value, it was definitely not the motive of the joke. He never claimed it to be. He just said it's an added bonus. I read a lot about random things and not everything stays in my mind. But this one definitely will. |
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People can make what jokes they want, I just wish that when certain comedians get a bit of criticism for their jokes being mean spirited or prejudiced, they didn't immediately start whining about free speech. Criticism is part of free speech. |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now.
Personally I'm not a massive fan of jokes about Nazi concentration camps, because my Grandad died at Auschwitz.
He fell out of the guard tower."
I laughed. The laugh in that joke is the unexpected just as sympathy begins to rise the punch line reveals the dupe .. it's a relief type of reaction ... laughing isn't always for the same reason .... there are different types of laughter.
Yes they said Auschwitz - no it wasn't anti semetic. |
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"No subject what so ever should not be the subject of comedy. Nothing is off bounds.
Many of the comments made above totally ignore the heart of the question.
What SUBJECT should be out of bounds? That was the question.
People then start conflating comedy and jokes with offence. It doesn't work that way unless some knee jerk dust for brains screams at words like 'disabled' just for being spoken.
Jokes about disabled people are not ALL insulting or derogatory.
Those that scream , OMG the comedian said disabled.... are the problem.
Not the disabled people laughing.
Anyone ever notice Chris McCausland making jokes about his blindness ?
Or Rosie Jones ( I hate her ) making jokes about her Cerebal Palsy ?
They are people and part of society. They should not be rubbed out of comedy to save your sensitive ears and not thinking brain."
Fairly sure that there is little humour to be found in the subject of r@pe. Or say the murder of children. Can't think of many good jokes about Hiroshima. Or the nazi gas chambers. Not a lot of fun to be found in Ukraine at the moment.
Basically some things in life and death are just not funny. And if a comedian starts trying to make jokes of them, he stops being a comedian. |
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"Making racist jokes about communities that they don’t belong to.
Using slurs that impact communities they don’t belong to. "
I agree to an extent
Some comdeians know how to make certain jokes without being offensive |
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I think it's more about the delivery and the subtext than the subject. Nothing should be an outright no-go area because that's like burning books, however if they're putting it out there, they need to accept the public reception to it. Roy Chubby Brown/Jim Davidson handle controversial topics very differently to Charlie Brooker/Frankie Boyle. |
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"Nothing. Everything is funny in the right context.
Absolutely 100% spot on. Everything should be fair game in comedy. "
There is currently another thread running called "Losing". Would that really be "fair game" to be used as subject for a joke? There is something severely wrong with anybody that could think that.
Some things are never suitable as the subject for comedy. |
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Why should we allow comedians to be mean about anything? Let’s turn round the question - why should comedians have the right to mock anything at all! If our civilisation is up for mockery, you are saying you are happy for everything in your life to be brutally undermined by ejits for cheap laughs!
I say ban all comedy! Comedians who mock things, (and let’s face it, they all do,) are damaging society! They are a dangerous, subversive element within our culture. |
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There is no subject out of bounds. People often get offended when they mistake the subject of a joke with the actual target. It all depends on the joke.
^^ this. Thank you Ricky Gervais. For talking common sense |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now.
Not the ‘Jimmy was actually raising awareness’ angle
That people don’t know enough about three people the Nazis persecuted, murdered and experimented on is a fault with our education systems. That joke was not intended to teach anyone about anything. Comedian’s jokes rely on a level of understanding in order for them to land in the most part.
I find Jimmy Carr funny but that joke wasn’t. Let’s not pretend. Sometimes comedians aren’t funny. It happens.
Humour is completely subjective. I don't think you can ever make an objective statement saying "That joke wasn't funny". I personally found it funny. But then I have always liked dark humour. The truth is Jimmy Carr has made many jokes in the past, which are even darker and would be considered more offensive. But this joke caught on, thanks to Netflix and the internet.
As for the educational value, it was definitely not the motive of the joke. He never claimed it to be. He just said it's an added bonus. I read a lot about random things and not everything stays in my mind. But this one definitely will."
Just out of curiosity what did you find funny in that joke? I would not even call it dark humour, more like validating prejudice (an easy way to get a laugh out of an audience that holds it). |
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"Nothing is off limits, but an audience can choose not to watch or buy tickets. Jimmy Carr doesn't twist your arm, people buy tickets knowing what his act is like.
The funny thing about all this is that sometimes the target of a joke doesn't give a damn about it and yet other people get offended on their behalf and raise hell for it. When Jimmy Carr made the gypsy joke, I didn't see any gypsies getting angry about it. It was mostly other people getting offended on their behalf. And the ones who got offended didn't even watch the show. They read about it somewhere and decided to complain about it.
Jimmy Carr said that the joke was actually informative and it was for me. I never knew gypsies where targeted by the Nazis along with jews until I saw that show and I will never forget it now.
Not the ‘Jimmy was actually raising awareness’ angle
That people don’t know enough about three people the Nazis persecuted, murdered and experimented on is a fault with our education systems. That joke was not intended to teach anyone about anything. Comedian’s jokes rely on a level of understanding in order for them to land in the most part.
I find Jimmy Carr funny but that joke wasn’t. Let’s not pretend. Sometimes comedians aren’t funny. It happens.
Humour is completely subjective. I don't think you can ever make an objective statement saying "That joke wasn't funny". I personally found it funny. But then I have always liked dark humour. The truth is Jimmy Carr has made many jokes in the past, which are even darker and would be considered more offensive. But this joke caught on, thanks to Netflix and the internet.
As for the educational value, it was definitely not the motive of the joke. He never claimed it to be. He just said it's an added bonus. I read a lot about random things and not everything stays in my mind. But this one definitely will.
Just out of curiosity what did you find funny in that joke? I would not even call it dark humour, more like validating prejudice (an easy way to get a laugh out of an audience that holds it)."
It follows the usual template for most jokes. He leads you down a path and finishes with a punch line that you hardly any expect. In dark humour, the punch line is usually shocking and something which is not what anyone is allowed to say under normal circumstances. If you don't see the irony behind the joke and you think that people who laugh at the joke are prejudiced, this kind of humour is clearly not for you. |
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"Nothing. Everything is funny in the right context.
Absolutely 100% spot on. Everything should be fair game in comedy.
There is currently another thread running called "Losing". Would that really be "fair game" to be used as subject for a joke? There is something severely wrong with anybody that could think that.
Some things are never suitable as the subject for comedy."
It is suitable for comedy for some people who can take it and even enjoy it. Not suitable for people who don't enjoy it. People who like it can watch it. People who don't like it need not watch it. In that way, comedy is like kink. |
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"Why should we allow comedians to be mean about anything? Let’s turn round the question - why should comedians have the right to mock anything at all! If our civilisation is up for mockery, you are saying you are happy for everything in your life to be brutally undermined by ejits for cheap laughs!
I say ban all comedy! Comedians who mock things, (and let’s face it, they all do,) are damaging society! They are a dangerous, subversive element within our culture. "
Im from a generation that was brought up to be thick skinned, and a famous saying was drummed into us. "sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling names can't hurt me". I grew up with comedians like Bernard Manning, Charlie Williams (who was from my neck of the woods, and a black comedian, who made jokes about other black people), and my all time favourite, Chubby Brown, who I have seen live in concert over 30 times over the years. My view has always been, no one is forced to buy tickets to see these blue comedians. If you don't like them, dont see them. Same as tho gs on the TV, if you don't like it, turn the channel over. Everyone has a choice, and the choice to see these comedians must remain.
I have no problem with anyone who dosnt like their jokes and content, it's called freedom of choice, but these people do not, and should not have the right to stop others, who do enjoy these types of comedians from enjoying their shows.
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There is and must be a very clear answer "absolutely no subject must be off limits" if a person finds what the comedian not and they are offended and loads of the crowd laugh person offended stay away as they wanted to pay f**k get real |
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