I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it. |
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No words bother me anymore after a toxic ex
There’s a good child’s rihime that I learned after being told I was ugly by the person I loved the most in the world after being told that if she leaves she’s going to make it her life’s mission to make shour I die old and lonely that no one loved me not even my own family
or that everything she ever sed to me was a lie that she was only there for money and money alone
And that she had finally broke her play toy and it was on to the next
Sticks and stone my brake my bones but names can never hurt me |
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It’s a medical term that denotes someone who has excessive fat deposits such that they will likely suffer adverse health outcomes.
I understand why people will not like it to be applied to them but we do need to have words that can be used in this situation.
Changing the word doesn’t change the underlying health issues and the cycle will just continue for every word that is created if we insist on replacing it because people get upset. |
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"Does the word bother you? And why if yes. Alternative words?
I wonder if babies are ever considered obese?
And no. Doesn't bother me as much as it should. I hate being overweight though. "
My son at 5months old did. He wasn't crawling and was a right little chunkster. My mum, went nuts. Because when a baby is hungry, you feed them.  |
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"No words bother me anymore after a toxic ex
There’s a good child’s rihime that I learned after being told I was ugly by the person I loved the most in the world after being told that if she leaves she’s going to make it her life’s mission to make shour I die old and lonely that no one loved me not even my own family
or that everything she ever sed to me was a lie that she was only there for money and money alone
And that she had finally broke her play toy and it was on to the next
Sticks and stone my brake my bones but names can never hurt me "
She sounds like a right charmer! Boot! |
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By *mf123Man
over a year ago
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"I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it."
not a shout down but is a sumo wrestler an athlete? Eddie hall? Athletic is a very general term also as you can be athletic to many different sports im not saying your wrong but like most things its the grey where the world always lives |
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I think any term, be it obese, fat, overweight etc some people won't like it. But there needs to be a medical term for excess fat, so until people stop using these terms as insults then people will get offended by them. |
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"I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it.not a shout down but is a sumo wrestler an athlete? Eddie hall? Athletic is a very general term also as you can be athletic to many different sports im not saying your wrong but like most things its the grey where the world always lives"
Fair point but when you see an individual on here who is 5ft and 20st, listing themselves as "athletic" do you automatically think "aha...he/she must be a sumo wrestler"? |
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"I think any term, be it obese, fat, overweight etc some people won't like it. But there needs to be a medical term for excess fat, so until people stop using these terms as insults then people will get offended by them. "
Excellent point. In an ideal world it would be used as intended and not as an insult. |
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It's a word used to describe a condition, is it not? I thought obesety was the threshold were other potential issues are prone to arise rapidly? Not something that really gets used in general conversation. If I were obese I would want to know so that I could address it. |
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"No words bother me anymore after a toxic ex
There’s a good child’s rihime that I learned after being told I was ugly by the person I loved the most in the world after being told that if she leaves she’s going to make it her life’s mission to make shour I die old and lonely that no one loved me not even my own family
or that everything she ever sed to me was a lie that she was only there for money and money alone
And that she had finally broke her play toy and it was on to the next
Sticks and stone my brake my bones but names can never hurt me
She sounds like a right charmer! Boot!"
She was nice to start with till she got me on my own ie till we movied in together and that’s when all the toxicness started now in life I tend to find a away to filter such people out my life or put up elaborate filters to root sed toxic people out before I meet them really did do a number on being able to trust people |
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"I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it.not a shout down but is a sumo wrestler an athlete? Eddie hall? Athletic is a very general term also as you can be athletic to many different sports im not saying your wrong but like most things its the grey where the world always lives
Fair point but when you see an individual on here who is 5ft and 20st, listing themselves as "athletic" do you automatically think "aha...he/she must be a sumo wrestler"?"
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"I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it.not a shout down but is a sumo wrestler an athlete? Eddie hall? Athletic is a very general term also as you can be athletic to many different sports im not saying your wrong but like most things its the grey where the world always lives
Fair point but when you see an individual on here who is 5ft and 20st, listing themselves as "athletic" do you automatically think "aha...he/she must be a sumo wrestler"?
Would you think I was a bad person if I said yes "
I'd think you were a nutter |
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"I think the term used in the medical field is wrong,
I'm technically morbidly obese if you look at it on that scale."
I am guessing you are basing that on standard BMI scales? If you look on the NHS site about obesity it states that BMI is _usually_ what people use but it also states that different races and levels of fitness (ie athletes) will have differing levels of BMI that an obesity definition will kick in at. I would guess that your muscles mean that the standard definition doesn’t apply in this case.
“Technically” I am overweight if you use standard BMI definition but that is because doesn’t really take into account my height. |
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"I think the term used in the medical field is wrong,
I'm technically morbidly obese if you look at it on that scale.
I am guessing you are basing that on standard BMI scales? If you look on the NHS site about obesity it states that BMI is _usually_ what people use but it also states that different races and levels of fitness (ie athletes) will have differing levels of BMI that an obesity definition will kick in at. I would guess that your muscles mean that the standard definition doesn’t apply in this case.
“Technically” I am overweight if you use standard BMI definition but that is because doesn’t really take into account my height. "
BMI is so outdated. It doesn't take into account muscle or big boobs |
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I am not offended by the word. It is a medical word and it is what it is. I do not believe medical words should be changed in case it offends anyone. My weight fluctuates from normal, to overweight, as soon as I hit obese I reign it in and get back to a normal body range. |
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By *orsoMan
over a year ago
Portsmouth |
Is it fair to say that if someone is bothered by being medically obese that maybe that is the trigger to lose weight?
And if they are not bothered by the diagnosis then shouldn’t be bothered by the term?
But maybe this is a gross oversimplification… |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Does the word bother you? And why if yes. Alternative words?
I wonder if babies are ever considered obese?
And no. Doesn't bother me as much as it should. I hate being overweight though. "
Babies up to a year have their growth recorded on a graph. My youngest was on 95th percentile at birth and followed that line in her first year. She never had excess fat but was gorgeous in her chubbiness. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"It’s a medical term that denotes someone who has excessive fat deposits such that they will likely suffer adverse health outcomes.
I understand why people will not like it to be applied to them but we do need to have words that can be used in this situation.
Changing the word doesn’t change the underlying health issues and the cycle will just continue for every word that is created if we insist on replacing it because people get upset."
There is a great deal of stigma attached to the word. One thing I found is that it is better to use obesity (stage) 3 than morbidly obese as medical terms. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Does the word bother you? And why if yes. Alternative words?
I wonder if babies are ever considered obese?
And no. Doesn't bother me as much as it should. I hate being overweight though.
My son at 5months old did. He wasn't crawling and was a right little chunkster. My mum, went nuts. Because when a baby is hungry, you feed them. "
My baby was breast fed (only) for six months. I struggled to buy her trousers  |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Yes I was so glad when my bmi finally changed to overweight. Horrible word makes you think of the really really heavy people. "
That's cos people think of obese people in stage 3 (morbidly obese). |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Away for Christmas |
The word itself is not entirely accurate for it's origin.
Obesus - having eaten until fat
Obviously there are other reasons along side it.
Softening of words removes their impact. It's a word that is used to drive home a point, the fact people are uncomfortable with it is good in terms of what it is trying to do.
There will be arguments for and against how bad being overweight is for health blah blah blah I'm not here to discuss or champion either side of that.
Some words should be impactful because that is is how most see them. They attach to the word itself, not it's purpose. Emotion front and centre.
When it is context that should be where a words power lands. |
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By *oofy321Man
over a year ago
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I did a thread recently about a fat person(me) and food banks,I referred to myself as a fatty and people got upset with that word but I don't like the word obese and I prefer to describe myself anything other then that word |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Yes I was so glad when my bmi finally changed to overweight. Horrible word makes you think of the really really heavy people. "
That's cos people think of obese people in stage 3 (morbidly obese). |
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"Does the word bother you? And why if yes. Alternative words?"
Word doesn't bother me.
The actual obesity does.
I hate my body since I've put on weight due to cancer treatments.
I hate that I can't tie my shoes without having to hold my breath.
I hate my huge gut that gets in a way.
I hate how it sometimes hurts to move.
I hate getting tired more quickly.
I hate my huge arms that don't fit into none of the clothes I love and used to wear.
I hate not being able to wear high heels in comfort like I used to.
I hate my double chin - I used to like my face.
Yeah I hate obesity. Not the word. What it turned me into.
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"I am morbidly obese. Oh well. Lol
No way you look great.
Thanks but the BMi charts don’t agree. At least I’m top in something though lol"
BMI is only an indicator for further observations. Your naked body shows extremely little excess body fat. BMI doesn't take into account bone density and muscle mass. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"I think it's a horrible word.
I'd rather be told I'm overweight. The doctor told me I'm obese and it really made me feel horrendous.
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If you were in the overweight category he would have stated overweight. It's the one before obese. I'm borderline these. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"I think the term used in the medical field is wrong,
I'm technically morbidly obese if you look at it on that scale.
I am guessing you are basing that on standard BMI scales? If you look on the NHS site about obesity it states that BMI is _usually_ what people use but it also states that different races and levels of fitness (ie athletes) will have differing levels of BMI that an obesity definition will kick in at. I would guess that your muscles mean that the standard definition doesn’t apply in this case.
“Technically” I am overweight if you use standard BMI definition but that is because doesn’t really take into account my height. "
It does take height into account. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Its just another word to say 'very overweight'.
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For me not to be classed as 'obese' I'd have to be approx 12 stone - can anyone imagine me at 12 stone????  "
Ok so re this it'd be:
Overweight
Very overweight
Very very overweight
And very very very overweight |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"I did a thread recently about a fat person(me) and food banks,I referred to myself as a fatty and people got upset with that word but I don't like the word obese and I prefer to describe myself anything other then that word"
Likewise I call myself fat. It's an adjective and it fits so I own it. |
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Not actually understanding what this is about. The word describes a medical state. An animal (human, cat, dog, horse, whatever) is obese if certain predefined metrics are met.
Having issues with the word obese is like having issues with the terms solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. Same matter with different words used to describe the state. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Ultimately though this is not about language but about society's attitude towards bigger people."
I did my dissertation on obesity. Language is very much part of the stigma
Interesting facts: most people underestimate their weight category (at least by one category).
Men underestimate their own category more than women, and are more likely to categorise women than their own sex, as obese. |
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"I am morbidly obese. Oh well. Lol
No way you look great.
Thanks but the BMi charts don’t agree. At least I’m top in something though lol
BMI is only an indicator for further observations. Your naked body shows extremely little excess body fat. BMI doesn't take into account bone density and muscle mass."
Or visceral fat? |
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It's a word that will upset some and not others. If you actually think about it though, if the word chubby had been chosen as the medical term instead of obese, chubby would then be seen as negatively as obese is instead. No matter what the chosen word is, it'll create negative feelings for some people. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"I am morbidly obese. Oh well. Lol
No way you look great.
Thanks but the BMi charts don’t agree. At least I’m top in something though lol
BMI is only an indicator for further observations. Your naked body shows extremely little excess body fat. BMI doesn't take into account bone density and muscle mass.
Or visceral fat? "
You can discuss different types of fat but they are still fat. You can have subcutaneous tissue fat/adipose; visceral (fat around organs and inc kidneys) and triglycerides (fat IN organs, the worst type).
You can be fat on the outside (adipose) but not inside and vice versa. Fat in all three areas. Much depends on whether your body (genomic study may eventually help in this area) has a high adipose capacity. The higher the capacity, the better off you are. |
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"It’s not a term I’d use but it doesn’t bother me.
If I really needed a descriptor for the condition I’d just say fatty bum bum.
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That's me. Fatty bum bum. But lots of people get their knickers in a twist if I call myself fat. But I am. I am fat. Large. Portly. Etc.
People also get annoyed by the word disabled, which is weird because that's what I am too. If I say "fat disabled woman" to describe my physical condition, other people get very upset. Odd. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Nah. When I was pregnant with my youngest I was classed by the Hospital as a geriatric mother. That was far harder to swallow!
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Which is incorrect. The term is geriatric pregnancy but surprised it's in use. A geriatric mum would be 65+ , or (even worse) the mother of a geriatric |
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"Nah. When I was pregnant with my youngest I was classed by the Hospital as a geriatric mother. That was far harder to swallow!
Which is incorrect. The term is geriatric pregnancy but surprised it's in use. A geriatric mum would be 65+ , or (even worse) the mother of a geriatric "
It used to be used for mothers over about 25 in the 1980s. It's not new in the parlance of obstetrics. |
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over a year ago
South Wales |
"Nah. When I was pregnant with my youngest I was classed by the Hospital as a geriatric mother. That was far harder to swallow!
Which is incorrect. The term is geriatric pregnancy but surprised it's in use. A geriatric mum would be 65+ , or (even worse) the mother of a geriatric "
I was only 38 at the time |
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"I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it.not a shout down but is a sumo wrestler an athlete? Eddie hall? Athletic is a very general term also as you can be athletic to many different sports im not saying your wrong but like most things its the grey where the world always lives
Fair point but when you see an individual on here who is 5ft and 20st, listing themselves as "athletic" do you automatically think "aha...he/she must be a sumo wrestler"?"
haha haha haha that tickled me. In this case we could have a Fab Sumo tournament |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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Never heard the word used as an insult or abuse.
About ten years ago I read the preface to a medical book where the Doctor author was predicting an "obesity epidemic" developing,caused by people eating because "the clock told them to" not because they were hungry and people eating too much in proportion to the lack of physical work or excersise.The book was published in 1897. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Never heard the word used as an insult or abuse.
About ten years ago I read the preface to a medical book where the Doctor author was predicting an "obesity epidemic" developing,caused by people eating because "the clock told them to" not because they were hungry and people eating too much in proportion to the lack of physical work or excersise.The book was published in 1897."
He was right |
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Words as words are just technically words. However the context and the way they are used give them extra meaning or power or direction.
Words them self are fine and I hate the whitewashing of the words themself simply because they are uncomfortable or problematic. However don't be fooled by those who hide behind the technically of a word while using it way and context to project hate or poisonous ideas and meaning. |
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"No words bother me anymore after a toxic ex
There’s a good child’s rihime that I learned after being told I was ugly by the person I loved the most in the world after being told that if she leaves she’s going to make it her life’s mission to make shour I die old and lonely that no one loved me not even my own family
or that everything she ever sed to me was a lie that she was only there for money and money alone
And that she had finally broke her play toy and it was on to the next
Sticks and stone my brake my bones but names can never hurt me "
See, I thought you were going to say
"Sticks and stones may break some bones, so let's grab a few and go find that cunt" |
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"I'm not obese so will probably get shouted down for this but no, it doesn't bother me. It's a medical term. The correct use of language is important. How many times have people described themselves on here as athletic or curvy when they're clearly not.
It's like "old". It's something I'm rapidly becoming and there is nothing I can do to change it.not a shout down but is a sumo wrestler an athlete? Eddie hall? Athletic is a very general term also as you can be athletic to many different sports im not saying your wrong but like most things its the grey where the world always lives"
How about "fabulous"? Rhat seems To be a term used to describe body type here but with a massive sliding scale of accuracy. |
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Like most, I think context is important.
If people throw any weight related words in a snide way, then yes I'll take offence. Likewise, when I see people without weight issues calling themselves fat, I take offence. Yes, I know, body dismorpia is a thing, and fucks with people's self image but still grates on me.
I have no issues referring to myself as fat, obese, curvy, voluptuous and any other term, because it paints a picture of my body. It's not a criticism.
If you mean obese in the sense of bmi, well, until someone updates that sexist chart to include any damn statistic for women, I will not be indulging any conversations on the topic. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Like most, I think context is important.
If people throw any weight related words in a snide way, then yes I'll take offence. Likewise, when I see people without weight issues calling themselves fat, I take offence. Yes, I know, body dismorpia is a thing, and fucks with people's self image but still grates on me.
I have no issues referring to myself as fat, obese, curvy, voluptuous and any other term, because it paints a picture of my body. It's not a criticism.
If you mean obese in the sense of bmi, well, until someone updates that sexist chart to include any damn statistic for women, I will not be indulging any conversations on the topic. "
What makes it sexist? |
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"Like most, I think context is important.
If people throw any weight related words in a snide way, then yes I'll take offence. Likewise, when I see people without weight issues calling themselves fat, I take offence. Yes, I know, body dismorpia is a thing, and fucks with people's self image but still grates on me.
I have no issues referring to myself as fat, obese, curvy, voluptuous and any other term, because it paints a picture of my body. It's not a criticism.
If you mean obese in the sense of bmi, well, until someone updates that sexist chart to include any damn statistic for women, I will not be indulging any conversations on the topic.
What makes it sexist?"
It was generated using males only.
On another note, it has no way yo distinguish fat from muscle so anyone who has muscular physique would come in as obese or worse.
It's well known how flawed it is as a measurement tool and there are too many articles on it to count |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Like most, I think context is important.
If people throw any weight related words in a snide way, then yes I'll take offence. Likewise, when I see people without weight issues calling themselves fat, I take offence. Yes, I know, body dismorpia is a thing, and fucks with people's self image but still grates on me.
I have no issues referring to myself as fat, obese, curvy, voluptuous and any other term, because it paints a picture of my body. It's not a criticism.
If you mean obese in the sense of bmi, well, until someone updates that sexist chart to include any damn statistic for women, I will not be indulging any conversations on the topic.
What makes it sexist?
It was generated using males only.
On another note, it has no way yo distinguish fat from muscle so anyone who has muscular physique would come in as obese or worse.
It's well known how flawed it is as a measurement tool and there are too many articles on it to count"
It is merely an indicator. It doesn't recognise muscle mass or bone density. However for the majority of people it's a useful tool to use alongside clinical judgement.
The people it fails as would clinical judgement, are those who are thin outside and fat inside. These people are those with high triglycerides. You'd have to suffer other symptoms from a disease for investigations to be done, such as having non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. That's not to say obese people cannot get it cos they can. |
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"Does the word bother you? And why if yes. Alternative words?"
I am morbidly obese and I am not offended as its a medical term for me. I know that the term plus other terms can be used in the malicious way but I pay no attention as I take responsibility for my body, health and trying to change it. |
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